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Seraphina
My post had nothing to do with MentalCase...certainly not overlooking the fact that he did start this thread (and, I may point out, another thread likely would have been started one way or the other by me, with a similar request to "play nice"), for which we remain grateful.

I'm not going to backtrack on this too much, but suffice to say I was, and still am, absolutely livid at the way a number of small minded and ignorant people took it upon themselves to trivialise and belittle something we hold so dear. I don't understand the love of football, but I accept it (by the way, I love Portugal wink2.gif), I think golf and cricket are the most boring sports ever devised by man, and I think there's not a whole lot of point in show jumping or polo.

But, I still understand that millions of people across the world, for whatever reasons I can't possibly understand, love them. I'm willing to accept that, even if I hate them with a vengeance (and since most, if not all, of the people who voted "for" this thread have never even given wrestling the time of day, you're in no position to hate it in the first place), I understand that, so long as there are passionate and dedicated fans of it, there is no such thing as a pointless hobby.

For those who voted for this thread as "pointless", you not only lowered yourself beneath my contempt, you not only showed your lack of respect to other members of this board, and the sport itself that they love, but you managed to confirm what I had already suspected: Since I, unlike you, was able to out grow my childish prejudices and school yard bullying tactics, sniping at other people who happen to like something you don't, it's safe to say that once again...I'm better than you, and I do it with style.


But, on to Kane...

I didn't see much or RAW, and none of Smackdown; since I missed the whole month, I've decided to wait until after the ppv to get back into gear, and new stories are started (I hope tongue.gif). I did see the segment with Kane, Matt and Lita though...

...dire...really quite dire...the writing team were smoking some weird stuff when they thought this one up. However, the show was saved, in part at least, by the Rock. He was on top form tonight, and the interactions with the other superstars was great (point of note, I didn't watch any of the matches, I was busy doing other things when the show was on).

I do regret to inform you that, while I had been looking forward to giving my usual review come TGAB...I won't be able to. It's on Sky Box Office, rather than being part of our tv package. However, I'm sure we'll have lots to talk about after it's out of the way anyway tongue.gif
reese2
Ahh well, don't worry about it. You shouldn't sweat the small stuff, Sera.. Besides, when did you start caring what others say or think?? wink2.gif tongue.gif

You keep that up and your cute self will find wrinkles before your due time... blink.gif ohmy.gif


Reese
Saru
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I'm not going to backtrack on this too much, but suffice to say I was, and still am, absolutely livid at the way a number of small minded and ignorant people took it upon themselves to trivialise and belittle something we hold so dear.


As I have said countless times, the awards were nothing but a spot of light-hearted fun, nobody is 'belittling' anything. I discussed this with Talyn a while back and agreed that hobby related threads would not be included in any future awards to avoid causing offense, you're not going to achieve anything by bringing this up again now.
saucy
I think Taker's looking better than ever and in more shape!

Looks like Jeff Hardy didn't want to come back to the WWE. He's now wrestling for TNA and plans to make his debut soon!

Taker is angry that his manager is Heyman since he's had beef with him for most of last year. Looks like Paul Bearer is done, meaning he'll probably get buried at the match this Sunday.

Will the Bradshaw and Eddie fued continue past this Sunday? My sources say yes! The lack of heels will make this feud last for the summer! What a disappointment.

Looks like Mordecai will get over on Holly this Sunday!

The Kane and Lita storyline won't last according to my sources. Maybe the baby really isn't Kane's!

Jackie and Charlie Haas are really dating, if anyone really cares!
doomgirl
Sera all I can say ppl in this forum have a right to have their say, no matter what you think. Yes I voted for this thread being pointless, I also voiced my opinion on why I thought it was pointless and yet I still post here, why, because I like wrestling as well.

Just because a few ppl decide to vote this topic as being pointless doesn't give you the right to call us "small minded and ignorant". Not everyone knows wrestling like you do or think you do, and those who don't, you consider "couch fans". Ok, I'm sure there are things that you don't know either, you have said so, but does that mean you are small minded and ignorant, I think not. So don’t call ppl that.

The last Wrestling thread was locked because of Talon, is the new thread going to go the same way because of you. I hope not. As for growing out of your “childish prejudices and school yard bullying tactics” you have just demonstrated that you are still there, by saying “I’m better then you, and I do it with style” I think not.

So play nice and let ppl think what they think like you do, ok thumbsup.gif grin2.gif tongue.gif


saucy
Yeah, we got voted the most pointless thread, okay. Fine. It's over...done...fin!

When it comes to an Unexplained-Mysteries website, a wrestling thread indeed would be voted as the most pointless because of this site's subject matter.

Please every let's just get over this stupid little award thing. It was just for a few laughs, nothing more and I'm sure it really didn't offend anyone so let's move on and get back to wrestling. Thanks.
The Krow
and also...look at it this way...at least we won something original.gif
Booker T
holy sh** taker himself killed paul bearer
Seraphina
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you're not going to achieve anything by bringing this up again now.


I didn't actually bring it up tongue.gif My stance on it stands though...I won't answer any of the other statements if it's going to cause trouble, however....since there was a ppv last night, there's much to talk about anyway...

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holy sh** taker himself killed paul bearer


If you refer way back into the mists of time...I did actually say, back when the Dudley's first took Taker, it was going to lead up to a heel turn for him.

However, my friends, this is a dark day....a dark day for all of wrestling: John Bradshaw Layfield is the World Champion disgust.gif

You know, that's a decisions I could understand if, his complete lack of talent notwithstanding, his push was at least successful...but it hasn't even been that! Ratings for smackdown have been going down on an almost weekly basis since he started being pushed, his reputation off camera is dire, and he's managed to alienate half the veiwing world with his various comments in his column on the WWE website.

This, of course, all in the midst of the fact he launched a Nazi salute at a german crowd, and it's unlikely the industry will be able to recover their reputation there for several years as a direct result.

The increased donation of air time to Bradshaw has done nothing but hurt the company...it just amazes me that he's been made the champion, and thus recieve even MORE air time, least of all that they made Eddie Guererro, probably the most talented wrestler on the active roster, drop it to him.

*sighs* Boggles the mind...I've actually had the inclination to watch WWE less and less lately, and it's this sort of thing that makes me feel that way disgust.gif

Anyone get to see the ppv? Thoughts? Reviews? I didn't get to see the show this month, as I said, so if anyone who did wants to make a write up (by all accounts, it was just a glorified, very average, episode of Smackdown), I'd appreciate it.
doomgirl
QUOTE (Seraphina @ Jun 28 2004, 06:43 PM)
However, my friends, this is a dark day....a dark day for all of wrestling: John Bradshaw Layfield is the World Champion disgust.gif

I think its good that he got it, if he weren't made to be a brawler all the time I think he could do pretty good for himself
doomgirl
Event: WWE Great American Bash Pay-Per-View
Date: Sunday,. June 27th, 2004
Norfolk, Virginia

WWE Great American Bash Opener:

The Great American Bash opened up with footage highlighting the feud between John Bradshaw Layfield and Eddie Guerrero and they will collide tonight with the WWE Championship on the line in a Texas Bull Rope Match! Also, the United States Championship will be on the line when John Cena defends the title against Rene Dupree, Rob Van Dam and Booker T! Plus, the Undertaker will face the Dudley Boyz in a Concrete Crypt Match and if the Undertaker does not do the right thing, the Undertaker's manager Paul Bearer will be buried in cement live on pay per view!

Location: Norfolk, Virginia

Torrie Wilson was in the ring in the Uncle Sam outfit and she said that it is her pleasure to welcome us to the Great American Bash! The fireworks then went off in the arena as Michael Cole and Tazz welcomed us to the show, and after a four year hiatus, the Great American Bash is back!


United States Championship Match
Fatal Four Way Elimination Match
Referee: Brian Hebner
Rene Dupree vs. Booker T vs. Rob Van Dam vs. John Cena ©

The music of the United States Champion, John Cena, hit in the arena as he made his way to the ring for this title defense against Rene Dupree, Booker T and Rob Van Dam. Cena got on the mic and said that he has not rapped in a while and tonight that Kurt Angle really wants him to lose, but he is still ready to kick ass here in Norfolk.

The start:

Booker T got into the face of John Cena and they went to work on each other. Cena and RVD got face to face and the two traded right hands but Booker T and Rene Dupree attacked them from behind. RVD threw Booker to the outside and he followed him outside and sent him into the guardrail.

Mid Match Notes:

Booker fought back and sent RVD into the steel steps. In the ring, Dupree hit a suplex and made the cover for one. Cena fought back but Dupree raked the eyes. Dupree scored with a knee to the mid section and then mad the cover for two as Booker stood on the outside and looked on.

Booker T again bounced RVD off the steel steps as Dupree went for a clothesline but Cena hit an inverted atomic drop. Dupree fought back and sent Cena outside and then danced about in the ring, and he called Booker T in. Booker threw RVD into the ring to feed to Dupree as the fans chanted USA.

Dupree hit a neck snap on RVD and then dropped a forearm for a two count. Dupree locked on a rear naked choke but RVD fought back and scored with the split legged moonsault for a two count. RVD hit a spinkick and then hit Rolling Thunder for two. Booker and Cena looked on from the outside and RVD launched Dupree over the top rope.

RVD hit a plancha over the top onto John Cena and Rene Dupree to knock them down. RVD picked up Cena and tossed him inside and made the cover for two. RVD rolled Cena up again for two. Cena fought back and whipped RVD to the ropes but RVD slid outside and threw Booker into the ring. Cena rolled up Booker for two.

Cena knocked Booker down with a slam and made the cover for two. Cena went to the outside and went to work on Dupree and threw him inside. Booker T and Rene Dupree went at it inside and Dupree scored with a powerslam and then performed the French Tickler. Booker T then got up and hit a big spinebuster on Dupree. RVD then went up top and came off with the Five Star Frogsplash and then Cena went up and got knocked off by RVD.

RVD went back up top and came off with another Five Star, this time onto Booker T. John Cena then sneaked inside and rolled up RVD for the three count to eliminate him. Cena went to the outside and threw Dupree in. Booker T then knocked RVD down on the outside and threw Cena inside. Dupree kicked Cena on the mat and he and Booker double teamed Cena in the corner.

Booker hit a vertical suplex and then hit a knee drop. Dupree took over and dropped a fist on Cena and then Booker whipped Cena to the ropes and scored with a sidekick and Dupree made the cover but Booker interruped. Dupree then rolled up Booker and the two shoved each other but Cena got up and went to work on them. Cena whipped Dupree into Booker and hit a back body drop on Dupree and then hit the Throwback on Booker T.

John Cena scored with the FU on Dupree but then Booker hit the Scissors Kick on Cena and then covered Dupree to eliminate him. Booker then made the cover on Cena, but Cena kicked out! Cena and Booker traded right hands and Booker knocked Cena down with a back elbow and made the cover for two. Booker T then locked in a rear naked choke on the mat.

Cena fought to his feet and punched Booker in the mid section but Booker knocked him down with a side kick and made the cover for another near fall. Booker then locked in a variation of a choke on the mat on John Cena as Cena reached to the ropes. Cena battled back with right hands and then whipped Booker and knocked him down with a clothesline and then a back elbow followed with the side slam.

The finish:

Cena then hit the Five Knuckle Shuffle on Booker for a near fall. Cena then pumped up his shoes but Booker attacked Cena and rolled him up for a two. Booker knocked Cena down with another kick and then called for the Scissors Kick but Cena moved and then hit the FU and made the cover for the victory!

Winner, and still United States Champion, John Cena

Backstage:

John Cena was shown walking through the backstage area and he looked to be exhausted and he walked by Miss Jackie and Charlie Haas. They congratulated him on his match and John said that he's got the belt and he said something about below his belt and then walked off. Kurt Angle showed up and he said that he can't believe how far Charlie has fallen. He had so much potential. Now he's hanging around with John Cena, flirting with Miss Jackie. He used to care about nothing but wrestling and now Kurt is disappointed in him. Charlie said that he doesn't care and Kurt told Charlie that he has another protégé and his name is Luther Reigns. Kurt Angle promised him a match at the Great American Bash and he can't think of a more fitting opponent than Charlie Haas. If they had any plans tonight, he suggests they cancel them because Charlie's match with Luther is coming up next.

Backstage:

Sable was shown in a hot tub and she said that the Smackdown! Divas will be hosting the Great American Bash from the hot steamy water. They will be interviewing the Superstars of Smackdown! and since Sable gets the first interview, she will be interviewing the biggest star of them all; herself. Tonight, she has a match with Torrie Wilson. Everyone thinks that Torrie is the all American girl but nobody looks better in red, white and blue than Sable!

Referee: Jim Korderas
Charlie Haas vs. Luther Reigns

The music of Charlie Haas hit in the arena and he made his way out to the ring along with Miss Jackie and this is a one on one match with Charlie Haas facing Kurt Angle's protégé, Luther Reigns. Luther wheeled Kurt Angle out to the ringside area in his wheelchair and he will be at ringside for this one on one contest.

The start:

Charlie Haas went behind Luther and put him in a waist lock and shoved him into the ropes and Luther backed Charlie off of him and Charlie grabbed Luther once again and backed him into the ropes but Luther grabbed the ropes, forcing the referee to break the two up.

Mid-match notes:

Luther Reigns whipped Charlie Haas into the corner and as Charlie came out of the corner, Luther pressed him over his head and slammed him down to the mat and then pinned him for a two count.

The finish:

Luther Reigns used the "roll of the dice" on Charlie Haas and then pinned him for the three count to pick up the win.

Winner - Luther Reigns

Backstage:

John Bradshaw Layfield was shown in the backstage area and he said at Judgment Day, JBL guaranteed victory over Eddie Guerrero and at Judgment Day, JBL delivered victory over Eddie Guerrero like he always does. What he says he does, what he wants, he gets. The only reason Eddie Guerrero is the WWE Champion right now is because he got himself disqualified on purpose at Judgment Day. That is fact, documented fact. Tonight, Eddie Guerrero cannot get himself disqualified because there are no disqualifications. This is his match, the Texas Bull Rope Match and he is going to drag Eddie's carcass all over the arena. John continued on, talking about the pay per view and his match against Eddie Guerrero and he guaranteed that tonight, John Bradshaw Layfield will become the new WWE Champion.

Cruiserweight Championship Match
Referee:
Chavo Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio ©

The music of Chavo Guerrero hit in the arena and he made his way out to the ring as the challenger for the Cruiserweight Championship against the defending Champion, Rey Mysterio!

The start:

Rey Mysterio and Chavo Guerrero stood face to face in the ring and Chavo talked some trash and then he stepped back and the two locked it up in the center of the ring and Chavo put Rey in a waist lock and took him down to the mat and Rey got out of it and grabbed Chavo by the arm and rolled him up to get a two count.

Mid-match notes:

Chavo Guerrero worked over the left knee of Rey Mysterio and he put Rey in a half crab and Rey used his right leg to kick Chavo in the face to break it up. Chavo then went for a back drop of sorts but Rey countered it into a bulldog to pull Chavo down to the mat but Rey looked to have landed on his left knee on the way down.

Chavo lifted Rey onto his back and Rey spun around into a hurricanrana to pull him down to the mat. Chavo then whipped Rey into the corner and Rey hopped over Chavo and landed on his knee, giving Chavo the opportunity to capitalize by grabbing Mysterio. Chavo grabbed Mysterio and gave him a suplex onto the turnbuckles, leaving him stuck in the tree of woe position. Chavo charged at Rey Mysterio but Rey pulled himself up and Chavo went sailing into the ring post and then to the arena floor. Rey then went to the top rope and came off with a senton on Chavo to take him down to the mats on the outside of the ring.

Chavo Guerrero and Rey Mysterio battled on the very top rope and then both men tossed each other down to the center of the ring and referee Charles Robinson started the count on both Mysterio and Guerrero as they were down and out. Chavo got up and pinned Rey for a two count but Rey countered it into a quick cradle for a two count.

Chavo went back to the knee and he gave Rey a slingshot and Rey landed on the second rope and came back with a drop kick to send Chavo down to the mat. Rey then ran off the ropes and hit Chavo with a springboard cross body and then he gave Chavo a side Russian leg sweep and a pin for a two count.

Rey jumped on Chavo Guerrero but Chavo caught him and countered it into the Gory Bomb and then he covered Mysterio but only got a two count.

Rey Mysterio hit Chavo Guerrero with an Enziguri to knock him into the middle rope and then he gave him the 619 and went for the West Coast Pop but Chavo caught him in a single leg crab in an attempt to get Rey to tap out but Rey crawled to get to the bottom rope but Chavo pulled him back to the center of the ring. Rey Mysterio finally crawled to the ropes to break up the hold to stay in the match.

The finish:

Chavo put Rey in a power bomb position and he went for the Gory Bomb but Rey Mysterio countered it into a sunset flip power bomb into a pin for a three count to get the win!

Winner and still Cruiserweight Champion, Rey Mysterio

Backstage:

Torrie Wilson was shown in a hot tub with Billy Kidman, Funaki and Spike Dudley and they were talking about the Cruiserweight Championship Match. Kidman claimed that if he was in the match, he would have won it and then the three argued and Torrie Wilson stood up and said that she's going to let them argue about this on their own. She has a match to get ready for against Sable, wish her luck! All three men took a look at Torrie Wilson and Funaki's reaction was a slow; God bless America!

Referee: Nick Patrick
Kenzo Suzuki vs. Billy Gunn

Kenzo Suzuki's music hit in the arena and he made his way out to the ring, accompanied by Hiroko and this is a one on one match with Suzuki facing Billy Gunn in a rematch from this past Thursday night's edition of Smackdown!.

The start:

Billy Gunn and Kenzo Suzuki tied it up in the center of the ring and Kenzo powered Billy Gunn into the corner and the referee started the count and Kenzo went for a chop in the corner but Billy ducked out of the way and Kenzo hit the ropes. Billy Gunn then mocked Kenzo Suzuki and the fans cheered as he did a crotch chop.

Mid-match notes:

Billy Gunn did the most horrible version of the Perfect Plex in the history of wrestling as he didn't bridge and both of his shoulders were down on the mat as Suzuki's shoulder was up off the mat yet the referee counted a two count in favor of Billy Gunn.

Gunn whipped Kenzo into the corner and gave him the stinger splash and then he went for the fame-asser but Kenzo avoided it and kicked Gunn in the gut. Kenzo then ran at Billy Gunn and gave him a knee to the face and then pinned him for a two count. (Kenzo missed the knee but they went with it anyway.)

The finish:

Kenzo Suzuki gave Billy Gunn a modified back breaker in a headlock position and then he covered him for the three count to get the win.

Winner - Kenzo Suzuki

Backstage:

Paul Heyman was shown standing in the backstage area with Paul Bearer tied up in a chair. Paul Heyman said something about this really bothers him. Everybody thinks he's bluffing. The Dudleys think it, the authorities think he's bluffing, which is bad for Paul Bearer because no one is going to be there to save him. Bearer knows Heyman isn't bluffing, he knows what type of man he is and what he is capable of because if the Undertaker does not do the right thing tonight, he will have no problem pulling that lever and then he is going to watch as the concrete flows into that crypt and the concrete comes up past his knees and the concrete comes up and fills his torso and then it gets even better because then Paul is going to remove that gag because he wants to hear him scream for the Undertaker as that concrete comes up for his neck and then the Undertaker doesn't do the right thing, Heyman will have no problem pulling that lever again and he is going to watch as that concrete engulfs his entire head so that the Undertaker's conscience is buried in a concrete crypt. But Bearer doesn't have to worry about that, now does he? He's sure the Undertaker is going to do the right thing, right? For the past three weeks, that's what he has done. He has done the right thing and tonight against the Dudley Boyz, for Paul Bearer's sake, Heyman is sure the Undertaker will do the right thing. Heyman said even if the Undertaker decides to do the right thing tonight, who is to say that Heyman will do the right thing? Bearer tried to mutter something out, but was unable to speak.

Referee: Charles Robinson
Sable vs. Torrie Wilson

Sable's music hit in the arena and she made her way out to the ring for a one on one divas match against Torrie Wilson.

The start:

Torrie took Sable down to the mat and mounted her and gave her a number of right hands until Sable shoved her off.

Mid-match notes:

Sable put Torrie Wilson in a reverse choke, applying the knee to the back at the same time as Tazz asked the question; who has the blonder hair, Sable, Torrie or Charles Robinson?

The finish:

Sable and Torrie knocked heads and Sable looked to be out of it and Torrie wanted to go for the win but the referee did not allow her. As Torrie showed concern, Sable rolled Torrie up, hooking the trunks to get the win with the most horrible cover of the night. (Shoulders weren't even down.)

Winner - Sable

Backstage:

The Undertaker was shown in the backstage area in the dark halls of the arena and tonight, the Undertaker must make the right decision to keep Paul Bearer from being buried alive in the concrete, tonight.

Backstage:

Dawn Marie was shown standing by with Rene Dupree and Dawn said that he must be upset about the fatal four way tonight. Rene said that he got cheated and the United States Title should be his. He's not going to be upset because French people do not get upset, they get even and he is going to protest to get a rematch for the title. As for tonight, he must say Dawn is looking ravishing. The French are far better lovers than fighters... would she like to see his French tickler? Rene then did the dance and the FBI showed up and Nunzio told Dawn that if she wants to be impressed, why not take a look at his 15 inches? Nunzio then showed Dawn his boot and he said you know what they say about guys with big feet, guys with big feet... get it? Dawn went with Nunzio and asked him what size he said his shoes are? Johnny Stamboli approached Rene, asking him what size he is? A size six? Stamboli then went on his way as Rene Dupree did not look too happy.

Referee:
Mordecai vs. Hardcore Holly

The music of Mordecai hit in the arena and he made his way out to the ring for a one on one contest against Hardcore Holly and this match was made this past Thursday night after these two were seen brawling in the backstage area at Smackdown!.

The start:

Holly got in the ring and stood face to face with Mordecai and Mordecai shoved him back and then Hardcore Holly laid into Mordecai with a number of right hands into the corner and then chops against the corner. Hardcore Holly tied Mordecai up in the ropes and then gave him a number of hard right hands and then a boot to the side of the head.

Mid-match notes:

On the outside of the ring, Hardcore Holly walked into Mordecai's staff and that distracted him and gave Mordecai the chance to beat on Holly on the arena floor.

Hardcore Holly gave Mordecai a reverse DDT and then he pinned him but only got a two count. Holly then grabbed Mordecai but Mordecai reversed it into a sit out spinebuster and a pin for a two count.

The finish:

Hardcore Holly went for the Alabama Slam but Mordecai countered it and gave Holly the Crucifix Bomb and a pin for the three count to get the win!

Winner - Mordecai

WWE Heavyweight Championship Match
Texas Bull Rope Match
Referee: Nick Patrick
John Bradshaw Layfield vs. Eddie Guerrero ©

The rules of this match are pretty much the same as a strap match. No need to explain it. John Bradshaw Layfield drove out into the arena with his limo and this match is for the WWE Heavyweight Championship with Eddie Guerrero defending the Title against JBL in the Texas Bull Rope Match!

The start:

At the sound of the bell, JBL and Eddie felt each other out with the bull rope and then JBL went for a clothesline but Eddie ducked it and gave JBL a drop kick to the knee to send him down to the mat.

Mid-match notes:

JBL hit Eddie Guerrero and touched one of the corners and then Eddie Guerrero nailed JBL with a drop kick to send him into the turnbuckle and Michael Cole explained that JBL just has to hit two more corners to win the match but Tazz corrected him, saying that Eddie Guerrero interrupted it with the drop kick.

JBL put Eddie Guerrero in the tree of woe position and then he got out of the ring and wrapped the rope around Eddie Guerrero's neck to choke him out and the referee tried to stop him, telling him that he cannot beat him like this. JBL then took the cover off the Spanish announce table and then he pulled Eddie Guerrero off the ropes and pulled him out of the ring and slammed him into the American announce table. JBL pulled the top off the American announce table as well and then smiled. JBL got up on the table and set Eddie Guerrero up in a power bomb position but Eddie ducked down and wrapped the rope around the leg to trip Bradshaw. Eddie then mounted JBL and gave him a number of hard right hands as the crowd chanted "Eddie, Eddie!"

Eddie Guerrero picked up a steel chair and nailed JBL with it to bust him wide opened, shades of what JBL did to Eddie Guerrero at Judgment Day. Eddie then brought the steel chair into the rope and Eddie nailed him once again with the steel chair and JBL was covered in blood. Eddie then went to the corners and hit three of them and he went for the fourth but JBL went to the ropes to hold Eddie back and the crowd cheered in anticipation as Eddie reached for the fourth corner but JBL pulled him to stop him. Eddie then gave JBL a drop kick to the head and then a leg drop. Eddie Guerrero choked away on JBL with the rope and blood literally poured down the face of JBL.

Eddie Guerrero gave JBL three vertical suplexes and then he went to the top rope and came off with the frog splash and then he went to the turnbuckles and touched the turnbuckles and he went for the fourth corner but JBL rolled out of the ring to stop Eddie from reaching the fourth corner.

JBL wrapped the rope around Eddie Guerrero's neck and then he pulled him from the top rope to launch him onto the Spanish announcer's table and the table did not break and Eddie bounced right off of it and went crashing down to the arena floor. JBL then lifted Eddie Guerrero up and gave him a power bomb right through the table to send the table crumbling down to the floor.

JBL then brought Eddie Guerrero into the ring and then he touched one corner, two corners, three corners and he went for the fourth corner but Eddie Guerrero ducked down and held onto the ropes to stop JBL from getting to the corner. Eddie clenched onto the bottom rope to stop JBL from reaching the corner and then JBL went back to work on Eddie Guerrero.

JBL knocked Eddie Guerrero down and he went to the corners and hit three of them but Eddie Guerrero stopped JBL from hitting the fourth corner. Eddie Guerrero gave JBL a low blow with the cow bell and then he nailed JBL in the back with the rope a number of times.

The finish:

Eddie Guerrero went around the ring and touched some turnbuckles and JBL touched them as well. JBL and Eddie both hit three and JBL went for the fourth one but Eddie Guerrero pulled him back to stop him from hitting the fourth one. Eddie nailed JBL in the back with the cow bell and then he jumped on JBL and touched the turnbuckle and JBL also touched it with his back but Eddie Guerrero's music hit in the arena and he was announced the winner and still WWE Champion... or NOT.

After the match, Kurt Angle was wheeled out on his wheelchair by Luther and Kurt said to listen to him. He isn't out here because of any personal vendetta, he's out here because as the General Manager, he needs to do the right thing and he needs to make sure that the right decision was made. Kurt said we all need to see the footage of the end of that match, so please show the footage. They showed the footage of Eddie Guerrero and JBL both hitting the turnbuckle and JBL hit the turnbuckle first with his shoulder. The rules state that it doesn't matter which part of your body touches, all that matters is who touches first. Kurt apologizes but as the General Manager of Smackdown!, he has to announce that the winner of this match is the new WWE Heavyweight Champion, John Bradshaw Layfield. JBL was surprised and Eddie Guerrero did not want to give up that title but was forced to and we have a new WWE Champion in John Bradshaw Layfield.

Winner and new WWE Champion, John Bradshaw Layfield

The Aftermath:

Eddie Guerrero remained in the ring and despite his title loss, the fans showed him a great amount of respect.

Non Title Match
Handicap Match
Referee: Brian Hebner
The Undertaker vs. the Dudley Boyz ©

Paul Bearer was shown sitting in the crypt and if the Undertaker does not do the right thing in his match against the Dudley Boyz. Paul Heyman accompanied Bubba and D-Von out to the arena and he remained at the staging area as the Dudleys headed to the ring as the Tag Team Champions and this is a non title match. As the Undertaker made his way out to the ring, Paul Heyman stood next to the cement truck and held the Urn up and the Undertaker took a look at him and then headed towards the ring. Paul Heyman took the mic and he said that before this match begins, he just wants to make sure that tonight, the Undertaker has decided to do the right thing and just incase it crosses his mind not to do the right thing, this is just a mere demonstration of what will happen to Paul Bearer. Paul Heyman pulled the lever and cement poured right into the crypt and the Undertaker just looked at him. Bubba Ray said to prove to the world that he is with them. Bubba told Taker to do the right thing and lay down.

The start:

The Undertaker got ready to fight Bubba but Bubba told him not to even think about it. That man's life is in the Undertaker's hands. It doesn't matter how he feels about it, do the right thing and lay down! The Undertaker got down on one knee in the ring and Bubba said that's it. Taker laid down on the mat and D-Von signaled for a three count. Bubba sent D-Von out of the ring and Bubba got on top of Taker and said that he has been waiting for this moment his whole life. The Undertaker grabbed Bubba Ray by the throat and D-Von got in the ring and he grabbed him by the throat as well and Paul Heyman said that is not what he calls doing the right thing. The Dudley Boyz then laid into the Undertaker with a number of right hands to send the Undertaker staggering around the ring.

Mid-match notes:

On the outside of the ring, the Undertaker slammed Bubba Ray Dudley's head into the announcer's table several times and then he whipped D-Von into the ring post, shoulder first. The Undertaker then nailed Bubba and then he grabbed D-Von and brought him back into the ring and beat up on him. The Undertaker grabbed D-Von by the arm and walked the top rope and Paul Heyman said bad dog, bad dog! Taker hopped down from the rope and Heyman pulled the lever and filled the crypt with cement half way as Paul Bearer cried, saying the Undertaker will save him. Heyman told Taker not to test him again and D-Von charged at Taker and Taker knocked him down with a big boot. Bubba then grabbed Taker by the legs and pulled him into the ring post, groin first.

The Undertaker got both Dudleys down on the mat and then he bailed out of the ring and Heyman threatened Taker, saying one more move and he pulls it and it will be the end of the Great American Bash and the end of Paul Bearer. Bubba and D-Von attacked the Undertaker from behind and Paul Heyman said that was the wrong move, so he pulled the lever again to fill it up to Paul Bearer's chest. Bubba Ray went over to Paul Heyman and argued with him and he turned the lever off and he said that they started this and they can finish it. Once they finish with the Undertaker, then he can have Paul Bearer.

The Dudley Boyz gave the Undertaker a double team suplex and then Bubba went off the ropes and nailed the Undertaker with an elbow drop as Paul Heyman stood in the aisle way with a smile on his face. Bubba Ray gave Taker a couple more elbow drops and then he pinned Taker but only got a two count.

The Undertaker grabbed Bubba Ray by the arm and walked the top rope for the old school and came off with it to send Bubba down to the mat. The Undertaker then grabbed D-Von and went for a tombstone but D-Von got out of it and gave D-Von a low blow.

The finish:

Bubba and D-Von gave the Undertaker a double team neck breaker and Paul Heyman walked towards the ring with the Urn in his hand and the Undertaker sat up and looked into the eyes of Paul Heyman and Heyman held up the Urn and then Bubba nailed the Undertaker from behind. The Undertaker planted Bubba with a choke slam and then he gave D-Von the tombstone and pinned him for the three count to get the win!

Winner - the Undertaker

The Aftermath:

Paul Heyman said he thought they had an arrangement. He thought they agreed that he would do the right thing and it's obvious that he cares about Paul Bearer, so since the Undertaker will not do the right thing, he guesses Paul Heyman will have to do the right thing. Paul Heyman went towards the cement truck and a lightning bolt came down and hit the truck to send Paul Heyman down to the ground. The Undertaker then got out of the ring and walked towards Paul Heyman as he screamed in fear.

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Booker T
how did they manage to keep paul bearer alive until every1 left??
doomgirl
Its not real Booker
Booker T
no sh*t sherlock but how did he breath and sh*t like that
doomgirl
ah through his nose and mouth Watson tongue.gif
The Krow
I completely forgot about the PPV...thanks for the results...

So JBL is champion...i wonder how long he'll hold it for...probably no longer than 2 months...

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Seraphina
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So JBL is champion...i wonder how long he'll hold it for...probably no longer than 2 months...


It depends whether or not the ratings begin to plummet, and I have a feeling the will. More likely than not, he's only been given the title because the management want to show they have cinvidence in him, after that whole nazi thing...he certainly doesnt' deserve it, either for his actions in or out of the ring disgust.gif

It's going to be a short reign...I'm not sure who he's going to go on to fued with though. They haven't really done anything to build up any main event faces on Smackdown lately (in fact, the whole smackdown roster is really hurting). Unless they just continue the fued with Eddie (doubtful, since it's been milked to death, and he's still injured from their last few matches after Bradshaw stiffed him up in his usual oh so professional manner), which really leaves John Cena, given the Undertaker's turned heel.
The Krow
I don't think John Cena would make a good champion...i mean, he has skills, but he is lacking experience...I mean, thats like making Maven the Hardcore champion...oh wait, they did that, didn't they... huh.gif
jizzames
no offense doomgirl, but you forgot the most important part..

from wwe.com:
He battled the Dudleys for control of his destiny -- then the Deadman sealed Paul Bearer's fate.

The Undertaker was deeply conflicted during his a one-of-a-kind Handicap Match on Sunday against the WWE Tag Team Champions. His instincts told him to battle for his survival. Paul Heyman told him to take defeat (and a beating) for Paul Bearer's safety. And despite the most diabolical distraction of his entire career, ultimately the Phenom prevailed at The Great American Bash.

But what followed not only shocked the Norfolk, Va., crowd, it shocked Heyman and Bearer as well: The Undertaker dropped to one knee, paid his final respects to his longtime confident and then pulled the cement truck lever himself.

After uttering the words, "Rest in peace," the Deadman watched cement flow up Bearer's neck, then above his head, entombing him inside the Concrete Crypt. It was an ending to both Bearer and the pay-per-view that couldn't have been anticipated.

i didn't get to watch raw. i read the summary but was it actually any good? eugene is apparently going to be honorary GM next week. the crack about him being a "special" referee killed me. i love his entrance video, but i like that he's actually a good worker.
doomgirl
QUOTE (The Krow @ Jun 29 2004, 06:13 AM)
I don't think John Cena would make a good champion...i mean, he has skills, but he is lacking experience...I mean, thats like making Maven the Hardcore champion...oh wait, they did that, didn't they... huh.gif

John Cena is a hell of a lot better then Maven, he just needs time to perfect his skills. Remember all wrestlers had to start somewhere thumbsup.gif


Thanks for the update jizzames thumbsup.gif and welcome to the forum
saucy
I didn't catch Raw and forgot about the pay-per-view. Is Kane the champ?
Booker T
no kane tapped out so its hhh vs benoit at vengance
doomgirl
QUOTE (Booker T @ Jul 1 2004, 03:38 PM)
no kane tapped out so its hhh vs benoit at vengance

Go Benoit thumbsup.gif

I hope he beats HHH
Booker T
o on moday sgt. slaughter teamed up with ryhno(<<<bad choice) and was beat by la resitance(<<<fags *cough* *cough*)
Seraphina
Does anyone else remember when we were promised in no uncertain terms a Benoit vs Michaels fued? huh.gif Now, I don't pretend to care for Michaels too much off camera, but there's no doubt those two would put together a 5 star match (they're match on RAW a while ago was great).

Instead, surprise surprise, we have the Triper back in the title hunt tongue.gif Much credit to Triple H for picking up his work late lately, but still...could he just allow, for one or two months, a main fued to go by without his name in it? Benoit spent the last couple of months on the midcard for crying out loud, fueding with Kane.

jizzames
yeah no lie. i like triple H a bunch, but he seriously needs to just chill on the main events for a while. his work ethic has been picking up lately, so it's not like i mind that he's feuding with benoit, but to tell the truth i'm sick of both triple h and shawn michaels in the title hunt. i just want to see somebody on raw that can keep up with benoit, and besides those two, jericho is about the only one i see capable of putting on a good match.

all i know is if i see heel edge vs benoit at summerslam for chrissakes, i'm gonna be pissed. po.gif

GIVE ME JERICHO!!
Talon
Hello all I am back from the Abyss of gloom that I sunk into after the runup, and eventually event thats was GAB. I have now taken many anti-depressants and the memories of the event have recieded from my mind enough to return.

First off

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how did they manage to keep paul bearer alive until every1 left??


1. As it turns out it wasn't Bearer. All the close ups on the individual in the casket where recorded before the event with Bearer in the glass cell. During the event it was actually a stunt double with a Bear mask.

2 It was the last match.

3 The EMTs actually rushed out as soon as the tv cut out and got the stunt doible out in front of the audience.

4. There is also talk that they are not going to pretend Bearer's dead after all, but instead will go with the plot line that although PMTs resued him he was so injured he'll never be back or something else that NoDQ wasn't to clear on.

Okay. This just in on local news of the WWE.

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Apparently following this past Sundays Great American Bash PPV many Smackdown! talent were extremely frustrated. Many feel that one of the problems is that too many guys who aren't ready yet are being thrusted into PPV spots instead of veterans like Richards, Val Venis, Maven, Nunzio, A-Train, Chuck Palumbo, Paul London, The Bashams, etc.

Eddie Guerrero was not happy about WWE's decision to take the WWE Title off of him, but did not complain about it backstage. Most believe that he will get the title back soon anyway, possibly as soon as Summerslam.

There has been allot of speculation backstage about Vince McMahon wanting to set up an Eddie Guerrero/Mordecai feud after SummerSlam. It’s been said backstage that Vince is avoiding the fact that Mordecai, who he created, hasn’t really adapted well with the fans.


This also in;

Jacqueline has officially been released from The WWE. It appears that she was actually let go a few weeks ago. Plus Shinqua might be fired as she's not turning up for training in OVW, moaning about not being on tv, and an egotistical cow.

Rikishi is also annoying managment, having refused to loss weight and wrestling in other feds (those owned by family) while contracted to WWE.

The Lita pregnancy angle at this point is expected to last the full 9 months, but things can always change within the WWE.

Christian is reportedly near ready for a return to RAW. He still has a few weeks to sit out before he is completely healthy again, though his back spasms have subsided greatly.

Tajiri recently spent a week in Japan with his wife, who just gave birth. We would like to congratulate to Tajiri and his family. For those of you who are not aware, Tajiri's first child passed away shortly after being born. As a Tajiri fan I wish him and his family all the best.

Oh, and Chavo Guerrero Snr phoned NWA asking if they wanted him on the roster... they didn't accept.
saucy
Also, if anyone cares, Test won't be back for awhile (having the same issues as steiner), the WWE has decided not to use Scott Steiner afterall.

I wonder if Taker really will go heel and if he does, there probably won't be a Taker/Bradshaw fued for the title. Besides, Eddie is fresh off his loss (which is a travesty) and the fued between them will continue as there is nobody else. Unless one of two things happen. 1) Heyman still has control of Taker and has him go for the title 2)Lesnar makes a return and makes a crap sandwich out of Bradshaw. If Lesnar comes back, he will most likely return as face unless they are truly hurting for a heel. Other than Eddie and Taker, there's nobody on the Smackdown roster to go for the title. Unless the Big Show or Lesnar come back.
Talon
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I wonder if Taker really will go heel and if he does, there probably won't be a Taker/Bradshaw fued for the title.


I;m not a Taker fan, but as one of their biggest draws he certainly would make a better champion.

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Lesnar makes a return and makes a crap sandwich out of Bradshaw.


Lesner will most likely never be back, he has publicly announced that his time with the WWE was the worst thing he ever did... disgust.gif despit earning millions and becoming a house hold name rolleyes.gif

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Heyman still has control of Taker and has him go for the title


I rather Heyman took control of the writting team thumbsup.gif

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Other than Eddie and Taker, there's nobody on the Smackdown roster to go for the title. Unless the Big Show or Lesnar come back.


I would say RVD, Booker T and Cena are all possible main events. Booker T certainly deserves a title run before he retires next year.
doomgirl
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I would say RVD, Booker T and Cena are all possible main events. Booker T certainly deserves a title run before he retires next year.


Sounds much better the HHH or Michaels thumbsup.gif
Talon
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Sounds much better the HHH or Michaels


Indeed, you notice how even though Beniot is champ, its these two who have still managed to be in the main event spot for each PPV of Beniot's reign. Its like holding the title doesn't matter anymore.
Seraphina
You know, I was talking to a friend of mine about the Benoit-Kane thing not so long ago, and he brought up an interesting point.

At one point, Kane was heard to remark to Benoit: "I've already taken out one guy tonight! I've got no problem taking out another!"

Was I the only one saying at this point: "Yeah but...Benoit's the champion. He's not just 'some other guy' that you're gonna squash."

I remember being really happy when Benoit won the title, but quite honestly the only thing that's happened since he got it is Triple H and Shawn Michaels have used him to hog the spot light and then, when they felt they didn't need him, champion and championship were shuffled to the midcard. It's exactly for things like this I hate Adolf Hunter (my new name for the Triper) and Michaels.

Him fueding with Edge would be embarassing...Edge is pretty sad in the ring right now. I'd put it down to rust, and granted though there are few people on RAW that could have a better chance of having a good match with him than Benoit, I still do feel the champion should be the main focus of the shows (heck, Adolf used that particular clause to his advantage for almost a full year).
doomgirl
I miss the days when Dean Malenko, Arn Anderson, Saturn, Bam Bam were still wreslting
Seraphina
True...but I'm afraid we can't have everything sad.gif We're left instead with people ripping off Arn's spine buster all the time, and many many people trying to get their holds as crisp as Dean's but just not managing it ohmy.gif

Then again, that might be because the WWE got rid of Lance Storm, among others, pays Kurt Angle to sit in a wheel chair, and gives most of the talented folk about 5 minutes air time, entrances included tongue.gif
Booker T
well in two weeks (i think) Booker T gits a shot at the US title this shoul be a good match since both booker and cena almost beat taker
Seraphina
Should be a good match because, unlike Taker, Booker T and Cena know how to have one wink2.gif
doomgirl
QUOTE (Seraphina @ Jul 2 2004, 08:28 PM)
Should be a good match because, unlike Taker, Booker T and Cena know how to have one wink2.gif

thank god for that thumbsup.gif
Talon
This just in;

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According to backstage sources Billy Gunn and Bob Holly are extremely upset in the Smackdown locker room right now. Both guys are upset because they feel they have "paid their dues" and deserve bigger pushes than what they are getting. Management is also upset with them because they feel that the two did not do everything they could to make Kenzo Suzuki and Mordecai look good at the Great American Bash PPV.

As we reported, Gunn recently was spotted backstage at the TNA Impact! taping and while he acted like he was only there to visit friends, many suspect he could be considering going to the promotion. TNA may look even more attractive to Gunn now that they are likely to be based out of Orlando and tape both their PPVs and Impact! there. Gunn is very keen on working in Orlando.



Two words: Good Riddance
doomgirl
I think they deserve a push, they have been in the WWE for a while and they are both excellent wrestlers thumbsup.gif and have proved it many times
Talon
I'm afraid I'm still trying to get rid of the bad memories of Gunn's last push where they thought they could get him over by having him marry another guy on live tv wacko.gif
doomgirl
QUOTE (Talon S. @ Jul 3 2004, 03:25 AM)
I'm afraid I'm still trying to get rid of the bad memories of Gunn's last push where they thought they could get him over by having him marry another guy on live tv wacko.gif

just another stupid story line wacko.gif will when they learn disgust.gif
Talon
From the Lita pregnacy, apparently not. I'm afraid stupid story lines are here to stay. crying.gif


Apparently a gay marrage was something Vince has wanted to see on WWE for ages, he considered making 2 Cool do it until they became popular. NoDQ once said he openly likes homoerotica

Now, I'm not homophobic or anything, its just I watch WWE for the wrestling, not to see two guys doing stuff with each other. wacko.gif
Talon
On other news:

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The buyrate of WWE Raw PPV Bad Blood, which was headlined by Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels in Hell In The Cell drew a 250,000 - 260,000 buys according to early indications.

The show’s buyrate is lower from the previous Raw PPV, Backlash in April, which drew approximately 280,000 buys. Last year's Bad Blood was headlined by Kevin Nash vs. Triple H and Mick Foley as the guest referee scored 400,000 buys.


Source: 1Wrestling.com

Plus, for Doomgirl and Pherret, the Australian WWE Smackdown Return of the Deadman tour will be starting soon. Angel says that he should be wrestling again by that time, and Big Show will also be on the tour.
doomgirl
QUOTE (Talon S. @ Jul 3 2004, 03:45 AM)
Apparently a gay marrage was something Vince has wanted to see on WWE for ages, he considered making 2 Cool do it until they became popular. NoDQ once said he openly likes homoerotica

and I'm sure Vince being Bisexual had nothing to do with that disgust.gif


I watch wreslting for the matches and techneques, not the story lines to

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Plus, for Doomgirl and Pherret, the Australian WWE Smackdown Return of the Deadman tour will be starting soon. Angel says that he should be wrestling again by that time, and Big Show will also be on the tour.


they can keep the big show - or bit slow as Pherrett and I like to call him laugh.gif
Talon
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The last Wrestling thread was locked because of Talon



Excuse me? Takes two to form an argument, or in that thread it took THREE.


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Shelton Benjamin is still out of action with a broken bone in his hand, which was suffered during a RAW match with Garrison Cade. Cade is known as a clumsy wrestler in some locker room circles, though there is no heat on Cade for the injury that took place.


So not only does Cade suck, he's taking out WWE's best wrestlers too disgust.gif

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The blonde girl in the front row of RAW's Bad Blood PPV who handed the stuffed animal to Eugene, was actually Nick Dinsmore's girlfriend.


Lucky ba-
The Krow
I'm not exacly sure why the last wrestling thread was locked, but 'm pretty sure it wasn't Talons fault...

Yes, Cade does suck, and i think he should be on Smackdown...that way maybe he could have a match with taker and accidentally break his hip or something rolleyes.gif

and yes, Nick Dinsmore is a very lucky person...

*screams*

When will it be my turn!!! crying.gif
Talon
New news, Mick Foley has broken of contacts with the WWE after Ric Flair attacked him in a new WWE publication. No further idea on what what Ric said sad.gif , but Foley has taken it personally and isn't taking calls from Vince anymore.
doomgirl
Ric Flair has personnally attacked Mike Foley in the pass over his wrestling skills and fitness, and personnally I think he has gone to far disgust.gif
Seraphina
With all due respect to Ric Flair...Mick Foley is just someone you do not disrespect.

You can count the guys who've sacrificed as much as Mick has on one hand, and as much credit as Ric Flair is due for helping to bring the industry to the forefront, Mick remains one of the most enduring figures of all time (perhaps even, more enduring than Flair himself).

While it's true that Mick is distinctly potatoe shaped, he was a great ring general, and could have a good match with just about anyone. Whatever Ric may or may not think, Mick Foley's bound to go down in history as one of the greatest of all time in the ring and on the mic. That's the Mick I'm going to pay respect to, and not the current Ric Flair who does little except go through the motions nowadays.
The Krow
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You can count the guys who've sacrificed as much as Mick has on one hand, and as much credit as Ric Flair is due for helping to bring the industry to the forefront, Mick remains one of the most enduring figures of all time (perhaps even, more enduring than Flair himself).


This brings me to ask a "What if?" question...What if The promoters never gave flair that push...not making him champion...not making him "The Man"...i believe, that if Ric Flair never had the chance to bring the industry to the forefront, then Mick Foley would have been the person to embed(sp?) the sport of pro wrestling into pop culture forever...



oh boy am i ready for this debate thing... grin2.gif
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