Yes....must admit, while the Widow's peak gets a lot of good press, I was never really fond of it...I thought Chavo's variation looks much better. But that aside...you're right

I think it's just because not one of the women's division is capable of working stiff...everything looks about as painful as having a pillow fight with a two year old. I really do like Gail Kim's spinning octupus stretch though Not only does it look good, but she seems capable of spinning into it right out of the blue (it's a pity I don't like Gail Kim that much )

You need to download some japanese women's wrestling...they leave you with the impression that they'd kill you. That's one of the reasons why Chyna, when she went to Japan, wrestled guys instead of women....the Japanese guys tend to have a lot more patience for clueless foreigners, even ones as clueless as Chyna, but the women would probably have stiffed her up no end. Whether she weighs 200lbs or not, she'd probably never wanna get in the ring with them again.

You know...I'll be brutally honest...

What was so great about him? I never saw him do anything that remotely impressed me...I just kept hearing "he's a big man that can move around!" the WWE has legions of big men that can move around...I never found out what was so special about Shawn O' Hair. There does seem to be a tendancy to jump on the bandwagon, and complain about people not being used correctly, but let's be honest....


D'Lo Brown - Crap. Could fly off the top rope, but his wrestling ability was average at best. Since he went to TNA, where there were promises of "now he's gonna get the push he deserved", he's been a notorious match botcher.

Justin Credible - Absolutely terrible. The only decent match I ever saw him have was against Steve Corino, and everyone has good matches against Steve. A catchy name wasn't enough to save him from mediocre ring skills, that just got worse and worse when he started binge eating to gain some weight with the WWE.

Ron Killing (aka K-Kwik) - who had all of a month or so with the company before being dismissed, was and is a spot monkey. Nothing more.

Hulk Hogan - was hideously missused, because we were actually forced to watch him

Guys who I'll except a missuse complaint over are Paul London, Ultimo Dragon, TAKA, Funaki, and basically almost anyone in the company at around or just under the 200lbs mark. Shawn O'Hair never struck me as being either especially talented, or marketable.


I forgot to mention Raven....who's wrestling ability is so tiny, he's forced to resort to an endless stream of high spots that would make Shane McMahon blush to try and pass off as a match

Oh well, there's certainly no denying he'd be a better pick for a push than Tyson or Mordeki In fact, leading on from his "devil's advocate" character, the Mordeki gimmick might well have suited him. I'm not saying he's terrible, and not worthy of a spot on the card....I just never saw the reason to mark out over him.

To be honest, I'm actually surprised he didn't end up in TNA. Most of the guys that either leave or get fired from the WWE do seem to migrate there....this is probably pretty bad publicity for Mr O'Hair though, and he might struggle to secure a contract in any major name fed for a while.

Does anyone think that TNA will one day be major competition to the WWE ?, or will Vince just buy 'em out ?. I was watching an interview with Vince McMahon and that was one of the questions asked, he acted like he didn't even know what TNA was and said he wasn't familair with them.In my opinion yes one day TNA will be major competition

hmm....

I must say, no.

The unfortunate fact is that, for a start, no wrestling promotion on the face of the earth can match Vince's check book and, unless the WWE begins to flounder on a massive financial scale (and it's not there yet), then he'd never allow another company to get a tv deal, and that's really when they'd need to compete with him.

Second....Vince has managed to poison the mainstream attitude to wrestling. As I said way back at the beginning of the first wrestling thread, the WWE spent more than a year with an utterly dire product, with horribly low ratings, and I'm afraid I just don't see any major tv network seeing wrestling as a good enough investment to take on anyone's show right now.

It's a sort of horrible loop....on the one hand, if Vince does better, wrestling becomes popular again, but he also gets more money to block people competing with him. On the other, if he starts losing money out of every pore, then the tv deals are open, but wrestling will be sucking so much pond water that it would be nearly impossible to convince a network that it's worth the money airing it.

So....no, as much as I would love to see the WWE getting decent competition to make it buck up its ideas, I don't see it happening (and Vince knows damn well what TNA is)

I must admit, I really liked Sean O'Haire, but this latest incident, ah, kindof tarnishes what he has of an image. It's not much worse than what Ric Flair allegedly did to a flight attendant.

I also thought Stone Cold was involved in some assualt case against a women?

Yeah, I heard that too. they seem like such lovely human beings, don't they?

Yes....unless there are two cases, that was his ex-wife. So far as I can remember, he grew very frustrated with his position in the company (being made to look like an idiot by a man in his 50s, having to job to greener than green Brock Lesnar outside of a ppv) and so on. After a night of a few too many beers, he apparantly had a fight with Debra, during which he punched her.

He then went on a several mile long car chase with the local police, flipping off speed cameras That's our man Stone Cold, no doubt about it I can hear it already when the arrested him...

"You have the right to remain silent..."

"What!?"

"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law...."

"What!?"

"You have the right to an a..."

"What!?"

"Um...you have the right to an att..."

"What!? What!? What!? What!?" right up until they load him into the car, at which point the "whats" would become slightly muffled, before fading away as he drove off

*I'm gonna be saying stuff about smackdown if ya want to be surprised don't read*
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first, well the new gm is teddy long, and he is now face, he droped the gimmick, and did a good job as well, so I take back the things I said about him being gm and seraphina you were right. secondly spike is the new cw champion which I think is good because it does nothing for rey, and after all the bumps spike has taken over all the years he needs to get rewarded for a bit. thirdly booker t is the new us champion, i'd rather see him with the wwe championship but hey, wattya' gonna do.

Yay Subby's here! I think....

Ask and ye shall receive..... Just like championship belts in the wwe...

ROTFLMAO!

YOU are joining the skeptical nonbelieving dark lords of uppity annoyingness, young man

I think you just described my tombstone....

I never thought id see the day the name goldberg would be used to end an arguement in wrestlings favour......

Hey JBL was a european champion..... he has to have some talent.....

For stiffing his opponent's up and having all the understanding for match pychology of a toothbrush?

Ah, true, and now to gaze at the socks.

the whole eugene thing is just sick it really put me of WWE.

I mean the one legged guy now a fake "mentally ill" guy, this is so degrading its close to Ancient Roman Entertainment an i use that word loosley.

It's sorta always been like that.

I read in a paper today that RAW ratings are down and Benoit is being blamed for it... great

Oh, and he can wrestle

There have always been gimmicks that revolve around the intelligence or mental ability's of the character, although it was never put as "Metally Challenged"....

George "The Animal" Steele come to mind....

Eugene is good at the moment, and who knows..... Can a mentally handicapped person be buried by the H?...

"Eugene.... its time to play the gameaaaahhhhh"

"Why you talk funny HHH, im the one handicapped"....

Dont laugh.... I have a million of those stupid things, and Ill keep going....

You know, I was very impressed with Mr Long on Smackdown....he's made the transition from heel to face very easily, and I think we can probably expect good things from him in the future

I actually thought Smackdown, overall, was a vast improvement from the last few weeks....we saw Paul London in a match (a match that got good time too), we saw Eddie and Kurt in a pretty entertaining skit....and while I'd admit I was very glad about the cut to commercial when Billy Gunn tagged in, the US title match battle royal had a good result for Booker T

Unfortunately, I think I missed RAW....or if I did see it, I can't remember a single bit of it. But at least Smackdown had its first decent show in a long time....hell, I even thought the Heidenreich promo vid was great Just a pity he isn't

You know what I'd like to see spike turn into? A wrestler

Smackdown is getting better....slowly....

I'm surprised Hardy wasn't the first to pile into the van in hopes that one of the TNA guys could replace RVD as his weed smoking buddy

it seems that almost anybody can get a contract with TNA. i sent in my 25 bucks, hopefully my contract is in the mail.

Well, there are a number of advantages to working with TNA...

- They broadcast from the same arena every show. So there's not any of the traveling involved (which is, as any wrestler will tell you, the most stressful and difficult part of the job).

- They have this love of hiring WWE's cast offs. So if you lose your job, but are still a talantless bum, they're scoop you right up

- History has shown us that their fans are stupid, and can't tell the difference between talent and hype. Guys like Raven can get really over there...so all you need is the ability to work a mic and 0 wrestling skill, and you'll be in their main event in no time

If that was true about randu getting the belt, it wouldnt be that longer reign.... Benoit has already held the belt 5 months..... so therefore it would be only a month or two longer......


Raw vs Smackdown looks awesome..... Andre vs The big show..... Can they make a ring big enough???

He's the genetic jackhammer, and she really needs her roadworks....