i've read in quite a few places about this "secret society" called the freemasons who are trying to control the world? and isn't it related to the New World Order? And does anyone have any info on it? it really interests me. thanks!

the freemasons are one of many societies with alleged intentions of world domination, much like the illuminati. they were created many years ago, back in medieval times as essentially the first union. it was made up solely of masons who would be hired to build cathedrals for the church. they eventually just formed a group and called themselves the freemasons. eventually, other trades wanted a cut and either made their own guild unions or joined the freemasons.

needless to say, a more people joined the masons, it became more powerful and a group of elders were chosen to lead.

these days, the mason group is dying. they are gaining fewer and fewer members and have actually gone on a few membership drives, believe it or not. they are more public than most secret societies too. a friend of mine could be a member but he doesn't see why. his dad has one of the member rings from his father and never showed interest in joining, so my friend won't join either. i've asked if i could have the ring and join in his stead, but he said no

Joe there are alot of sites that try and form some kind of link with the freemasons and the NWO, illumanti, etc. Some say there have infiltrateed the Masons without their knowledge, In either case a good pro site for the Masons is
http://www.masonicinfo.com/
He even gives credit to anti-mason groups at his website. I am not a Mason but shared the same interest you're going through. Good luck and enjoy the chase!

And Chico you don't need a ring to join just go to one of their lodges they'll sign you up.

Well as I have said many times - both of my grandfathers, my uncles and my dad are masons. One grandfather and my dad at one time were Masters of their lodge. There isn't much of what I know I am allowed to tell you but - ask and if I can answer it I will. I myself am a member of The Order of Eastern Star. And I assure you if I were able to even help control the world or this country it wouldn't be going to hell in a handbasket! By the way Gryphon very nice site!

I for one think the theories are a load. After doing much research into the so called big evil groups I have found the masons not to be evil at all. However don't confuse their beliefs with Christianity as many have. Some of it is there but it's different somhow.


BTW Anirbas If I was wrong please correct me...

i've herad of the illuminati but i don't know who they are either. and i was coming home from georgia with my dad and we listened to the davinci code on cd. i didnt finish it, but they mentioned several of these secret societies, such as the scion (sp?) and another. what are the illuminati or the scion?? sorry im just really confused lol.

oh and thanks for the site...im looking at it right now!

I'm in the Freemasons. Thursdays is arts and crafts night.

There is a lot of stories about the Illuminati, my understanding is they began in Galileo's time, in fact he may have started it. They were a secret socieety of alchemists/scientists searching for the truth in a time when the catholic church was putting to death anyone who went against their doctrine. Over time it is believed that this group opened its doors to a wider core, merchants and nobility, thereby losing its drive in it's search for scientific truth. They became hunted through the 17th century and went deep underground, or dissolved. Like I said some feel they infliltrated the Masons and became a secret society within a secret society. In either case they are perhaps the best conspiracy story in history,

I thought the Masons' were formed from remnants of the Templars?

The Illuminati is simply the richest 13 families in the world and they make up the secret government that supposedly has control over everything and all governments. They are known to control world hunger and the money and power each country has.

pharoahe do you have any proof? or better yet, any links? i would love to read up on this stuff...ive looked online but most of the stuff ive found is BS. and does anyone have anything on the priory of the scion i think its called?

From my research the Masons have always tried to find a documented link to the Templars, but none really exist. They have however taken alot of the Templar regalia onto themselves. I don't doubt there was some connection especially out of the scottish lodge.
I heard about the 13 richest family connection to the Illuminati, who knows? Like I said they supposedly changed drastically once they abandoned their drive for knowledge

i have a book about the illuminati with their history and some of the things they've done. now that you're wondering what i have to say, i'll let you know this, i never finished the book. it was the most unbelievably dull and dry reads i've ever done. it was more boring than a science class !

Joe the priory of Scion was a secret group that was supposed to be in charge of the care of the Holy Grail and if you believe it the protection of the descendants of Jesus. This whole story got a face lift recently in Dan Brown's bestseller The Davinci Code.
He also did a number on the Illuminati in his previous book Angels and Demons. Both are good thriller reads and somewhat accurate, but keep in mind they are fiction

yeah. ive heard about the connection between the masons and the knights templar. the knights templar are the society started during the crusades to search for the holy grail right? and didnt they find some big temple thing with the grail in it? who knows? and the illuminati thing is pretty creepy. what if there was people controlling the way the world works? thats scary, and especially if nobody is certain that they know for sure, that means they have the money to cover it up...but of course they do...theyre the 13 richest families...duh!

yeah i know they were fiction but he did a ton of research for his books. and he even went to the places, such as the art museum in paris where the paintings are stored that became the basis of his books. so its possible you could trust them...just not to an extreme level.

Actually the templars were one of the Knight arms of the Vatican, their job was to protect the pilgram path to the holy land. It's said they may have discovered the grail, (which probably isn't a cup). The Templars accumulated great wealth until being destroyed by Phillipe the king of france.
There were other military orders too, Knights of Malta, Knights Hospitalier, etc

www.illuminati.org

yeah in accordance to your saying about the holy grail that wasnt a cup ive heard theories about it being a miss mary magdaline (sp?)...some say she was jesus' wife and the holy grail as she gave him descendants.

umm weird link ozrosis....

i wonder who made it though....and whoever it was is probably getting tons of offers of money for the name...

amen

lol sea otter youre crazy

i should have guessed huh?

In my opinioun the origins of the Freemasons can be traced to the persecution of the Templars. A good source of info on this can be found in John J. Robinsons Born in Blood, and also Chris Knight and Robert Lomas' The Second Messiah. During the persecution of the Templars by King Phillip of France, to ride himself of large debts to the order and persumably take controll of their holdings(which included large tracks of land in France, England, Scotland, Spain and more), and his puppet Pope Clement V. The only logical step would be to go underground and form a secret society. The need for protection from the tourtures that were inflicted upon them during the Inquisition, developed into a network of safehavens for fugitive Templars. One requierment that every Mason must meet is that he must believe in a monoteistic God. This makes sense from a Templar origin point of view, because after being unjustly persecuted by the Pope(who was the only athourity the templars reported to) and the church, the Templars must have felt betrayed by their faith, and in turn changed their believes to accept all who need protection from church and state athourities The reason that Masonry evolved originaly in England and Scotland is due to the leniency towards the arrests of templars in these countries. The most significant link between freemasonry and the templars is found at Rossly Chapel. Built by William St.Clair between 1440 and 1490 the structure is covered in a combination of Celtic and Templar motifs. One such carving shows a Templar Knight with a candidate, standing between two pillars(masonic symbolisms), who has a cable tow(masonic terminalogy) aroud his neck and a blind fold on, almost exactly the way a candidate is dressed when becoming a mason.
http://www.robertlomas.com/Freemason/Freemason.html

A St. Clair relation(Henri St.Clair) was involved in the First Crusade along side Hugues De Payen, the first Grand Master of the Templars. In 1736's when the Scottish Grand Logde was formed a St. Clair decendant was named the honarary Grand Master of the Lodge.

Two other interesting carvings found at Rossly Chapel are images of Maize(corn) and Aloe plants. According to the history books these plants were not known to the eastern world untill after Columbus's voyage of 1492. This might give creedence to the legend of the Templar Fleet that set sail from La Rochelle, after they arrests in france, never to be seen again, and that the Templars made the journey accross the Atlantic in the early 1300's. At any rate it seems facinating that these plants are on carvings that are atleast 20 years older then the discovery of South America where they were originally found.

All though today most Masonic lodges are nothing more than rentable banquet halls, the fact remains that they are seeded deep in British and North American cultures. George Washington, a founding father, was a professed Free Mason.
As well with many other founding fathers.

Which really puts a wrench in the works for zealous christians who claim that the nation was founded on Christianity.

Also today Bush is a confessed member of the Skull&Bones, as is Kerry. So no matter whose in office they will be a Bonesman.

Bush's family also has deep ties to the Knights of Malta which is an intersting group.
http://www.voxfux.com/features/knights_of_...alta_facts.html

Allow me to give you all a politics lesson:
Crusades - political action 'necessary' (as far as bloody warfare ever could be) to prevent Middle Eastern expansionism. Expansion, it's a game all Empires can play.
Knights Templar - wealthy landowners PAID by the Vatican for their loyalty. Result, scary priests(ish) in dashing costumes, rich, powerful and fierce equals lots and lots of peasants to fight your crusades plus nation states, that having knights templars amongst them (as well as other orders) choose not to fight each other but join in the general march toward the East and fight together, not with each other as was the norm then.

End of crusdades knights templars rich and powerful and a threat to the power of the church - destroy them thinks church. No religious meanings, no trying to cover up secret grails, nowt but dirty, run of the mill power politics.

Result - Templars fragment, and become the most honourable order of free masons. possibly. They fragmented anyway, and the symbolism in both beliefs is the same. (Re. Rosslyn etc)

Modern freemasons. Amicable business men who want to network with a few kicks thrown in. Powerful but generally harmless fun.

The first reminence of the Templars is found in the lodging of 9 knights,under the command of Hugues De Payen, in the stables of the Jeruselem Temple in 1118. Corespondence between Bernard of Clairvaux and Hugh of Champagne alludes to the order being in existence as early as 1114 and possibly earlier. Their offical reason for being in the holy land after the crusades was to protect the pilgrams on rout to Jeruselum. Upon closer examination, its found to be nearly impossible that 9 knights would have been able to protect the vast strech of road to the holy land, also this was a task alread assigned to the Knight Hospitalers.

In the 1800's, while excavating under the temple British engineers discovered broken Templar swards and other Templar related materials. It would seem that the original knights, instead of protecting the pilgram routes during their 10 years in the Temple, were digging for something. With in 10 years of the orders time in Jeruselem, Hugh De Payne was on his way back West and growth of the Templars began. Almost emidiatly De Payne became a very respected man amongst the ruling class of the western world, huge tracks of land and wealth were intrusted to the order and many nobles swelled the ranks.

It is unknown what exactly the Templars found under Solomons temple, but whatever it was it seems to have brought them great weath and powerfull influance. In the next 2 hundread years the order grew to heighs that rivaled and even exceded those of the Monarchies of the time. They became the most feared and respected military order of the day and they also developed one of the first banking systems, holding and loaning monies to every kindom in the Western world, up untill the time of the Inquasition.

The gold from King Solomon's mines? The man had over 2000 arabian horses and goodness knows what else. He must have put his wealth somewhere. i doubt it was the grail, a cup or tomb of Magdalen wouldn't make him rich.

Skull and Bones is a secret society located at Yale university.
It acts as breeding ground indeed a recruitment place for future members of the corporate elite and the CIA.

A potential member of the Skull and Bones is called a spook, an undercover CIA agent is called the same thing, its been said in the past that the CIA is like a big Yale university reunion.

Everything you need to know is right here.
http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm

Thanks for the link Chauncy--It was a very interesting read.

I've heard that Jaques de Molay was burned alive on Friday the 13th and that's where the superstition about that day being bad luck started. Any truth to that?

Jacques De Molay and Geoffrey De Charney were burnt at the stake in Paris on March 19, 1314. The superstition surrounding Friday the 13th, began with the mass arrest of the Templars in France, on October 13, 1307. King Phillipe sent out orders to all athorites, only to be opened on this date, which led to the arrest and tourtures of thousands of templars similtaniously.

gross

What's more, de Molay got his own back on the King. As he was being burnt, he called out to Phillipe saying he wouldn't see out a year longer after he, de Molay, died.

Sure enough, not quite a year later, Phillipe died.

well thats teh best revenge

De Molay also said the same thing directed towards Pope Clement, who also died within the year.

I'd hate to have De Molay point his finger at me!!

Wonder what other finger pointing resulted in death through out the ages?

From the hand of a Freemason that is.

yeah i just posted a topic that explains freemasonry very well
topic here