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May 14 2004, 11:46 AM
Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat of learning. A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or auditoria. Two thousand years ago, the library housed works by the greatest thinkers and writers of the ancient world. Works by Plato and Socrates and many others were later destroyed in a fire. Announcing their discovery at a conference being held at the University of California, Zahi Hawass, president of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, said that the 13 lecture halls uncovered could house as many as 5,000 students in total. A conspicuous feature of the rooms, he said, was a central elevated podium for the lecturer to stand on. "It is the first time ever that such a complex of lecture halls has been uncovered on any Greco-Roman site in the whole Mediterranean area," he added.
"It is perhaps the oldest university in the world." Professor Wileke Wendrich, of the University of California, told BBC News Online that the discovery was incredibly impressive. Alexandria was a major seat of learning in ancient times and regarded by some as the birthplace of western science.

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Tesla's Mama
May 14 2004, 12:34 PM
This is HUGE!!!

I wonder if their is anything left of the knowledge that was kept there.
I can't wait to hear more about this!!!
Thanks for the link!
BurnSide
May 14 2004, 05:15 PM
That's AMAZING. I never expected the lost Library of Alexandria would ever be discovered, i thought it was burned to ashes in the fire.
This is a big story. I can't wait to hear more of the research going on there.
chico del nacho
May 14 2004, 05:16 PM
i thought socrates didn't write anything. plato wrote it all down.
Kellalor
May 14 2004, 05:22 PM
Oh wow!
I can't wait to hear more about this.
Hirotho
May 14 2004, 05:40 PM
oooohhh
Maybe its the Hall of Records described by Edgar Cayce. He was a psychic who predicted that something like this would be found. Apparently it contains all of the ancient knowledge, and an angel with a key will open it.
This is gonna be a big shock to the world!
BurnSide
May 14 2004, 07:46 PM
Man, i'm actually really excited. What undiscovered knowledge lies within? What secrets of the ancient world shall we discover!!?
Hirotho
May 14 2004, 07:54 PM
I'm gonna do some reserach on this. bbl
BurnSide
May 14 2004, 07:58 PM
I would, but being at work my computer has nearly all sites blocked. This seemingly is the only site i can access, and it's great. it would be appreciated if you could post anything you find, please and thanks!
Skela
May 14 2004, 11:38 PM
Let's hope not all of the knowledge contained there, was lost in the fire.
BurnSide
May 14 2004, 11:42 PM
Let's also hope the place hasn't been completely ransaced by thevies too.
Universal Absurdity
May 15 2004, 12:21 AM
| QUOTE |
| Maybe its the Hall of Records described by Edgar Cayce |
i thought the records described by cayce was supposed to be found under the paw of the sphynx...it was supposed to be discovered in 1999, and i believe some of the books that were saved from the library of alexandria were to be found there.
correct me if i'm wrong
Wild-Eyes
May 15 2004, 03:41 AM
Wow...
I'm not one for the glorious destructionism of tourism, but I really hope they open this up to the public, somehow, in the next 20 years or so. I'd love to see that. Incredible.
stillcrazy
May 15 2004, 03:51 AM
Just coming from the thread Who's the oldest member, I noticed I have a library card for Alexandria. Oh well. I wonder what the fine for my past due book is going to total???
This is a great discovery, and will be even more so if the volumes inside are intact and they are readable. I think man is going to find out things about his history that may come as a shock. I really look forward to any new discoveries as they proceed forward.
Hirotho
May 15 2004, 02:26 PM
Yes, the hall of rexords was under the paw of the great pshinx at giza, or maybe it was the pyramid...
either way, he may of made a slight misjudgement , and thsi really could be the Hall of Records. And if it is, it should contain the knowledge of the ancient egyptians, and how they built the great pyramid

!
We'll just have to wait and see.
Zaratar
May 18 2004, 03:59 AM
This indeed could be the archeological find of the piscean age (the last 2000 +/- years). Many ancient technologies could be there. There is nothing new inder the Sun. This has all happened before, and many times here on Earth.
Althalus
May 18 2004, 07:56 AM
I agree that this is good news, it is only a shame that many of the 'books' kept there were in fact scrolls or the archaelogists may be able to find bits of them left over from the fire. As it is many if not all the scrolls would have been burnt.
Still, here's hoping, not everything could have been on scrolls.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
May 18 2004, 12:24 PM
| QUOTE (stillcrazy @ May 14 2004, 11:51 PM) |
Just coming from the thread Who's the oldest member, I noticed I have a library card for Alexandria. Oh well. I wonder what the fine for my past due book is going to total???
|
$590 157 789 152 1597.57
It is a wonderful discovery.
stillcrazy
May 18 2004, 06:32 PM
| QUOTE |
| $590 157 789 152 1597.57 |
I wonder if they'll take a personal check, or better yet paypal
I think that there may be some of the scrolls left intact or a partial scroll here and there. If the fire wasn't too hot, say above 900 degrees F. then the chances improve for some of the material used to have survived. (Remember they didn't have office max.) It will be interesting as it progresses.
chico del nacho
May 18 2004, 06:35 PM
for those that don't know, farenheit 451 is the temperature needed to burn books, at least in ray bradbury's "farenheit 451"
stillcrazy
May 18 2004, 07:52 PM
| QUOTE (chico del nacho @ May 18 2004, 11:35 AM) |
for those that don't know, farenheit 451 is the temperature needed to burn books, at least in ray bradbury's "farenheit 451" |
Modern day paper requires a tempature of about 300 to 350 degrees for spontaneous combustion to occur. Books require a higher temp as they have no air between the pages and a fire will only burn the outside of the book but leave thi inside intact, unless the fire is stoked to introduce air into the pages.
That said...........
The scrolls are more than likely on a different type of material other than early paper. It was common to use animal skins such as sheep, to record events. Sheep skin last longer and while not fire proof, takes a great deal of heat to destroy.
An early paper, called Papyrus, has been around 5000 years, and due to it's materials, may be more fire retardant than regular wood pulp paper. Also many early writings were put on treated cloth.
So in all reality, until a complete examination is made and all artifacts are found, we will not know what survived and what was lost.
Erikl
May 18 2004, 08:55 PM
Could be the end of Christianity....
in the time the library of Alexandria was burned down, the center of Jewish thinking was in Alexandria. They kept the only known copy of the list of heirs of the house of king David in that library.
It was lost during the fire, and never recovered. If it would be found, and Jesus is to be discorvered to not be David's heir, this could seriously damage Christianity... and with the Poles involved, I feel the Vatican would be all over this thing...
GeneralBender
Jul 18 2004, 05:52 PM
i saw on the history or discovery channel tht the burning of the library set human tech back 1000 years
stillcrazy
Jul 18 2004, 08:23 PM
| QUOTE (GeneralBender @ Jul 18 2004, 10:52 AM) |
| i saw on the history or discovery channel tht the burning of the library set human tech back 1000 years |
It's an interesting idea, had the library not burned, what would we as a species have evolved into?
Or would we even be on this planet now if the nuclear bomb had been discovered 1000 years earlier?
Makes for a good topic idea.
BurnSide
Jul 18 2004, 08:27 PM
Is there any more information on what's going on with the Library. Like, yes we know it's discovered, but i wanna know if they actually found anything in there.
stillcrazy
Jul 18 2004, 09:28 PM
Burnside, Not too much information available right at this moment. I can't find any info on the current status, other than they are trying to rebuild a new library of Alexandria. Any one with info please post it. Thanks.
BurnSide
Jul 18 2004, 09:39 PM
Yeah i was looking myself and sadly haven't found anything.
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