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MoonBaby
I found a picture at my sister's house that was taken about a year ago, and we noticed that there are 4 distinct kind of see through circles and 2 more that you can't see very well, and I just wanted to know if these things could possibly be something from a different realm? Could they be orbs, and what are orbs? I've heard that term used before but I don't really remember exactly what it meant. huh.gif If anyone wants to see the picture, I'll put it up if someone can tell me how to do that. thumbsup.gif
Chauncy
I would very much like to see the pic MoonBaby.

When you respond to this, you can scroll down past the space where you type your text and you will see a heading that says "File Attachements".....do just that....attach the file original.gif

MoonBaby
the pic's posted here
MoonBaby
go down thumbdown.gif
MoonBaby
OK, it's posted on the web. I gave up trying to put it on this site disgust.gif

orbs

Look at it ant tell me what you think thumbsup.gif
Chauncy
I checked the picture out. Nice deer heads:)

Yes they are peculiar, but the first step in trying to figure if they are in fact paranormal and not normal is to start trying to eliminate natural causes.

Look for anything round that may put of a round reflection, like a round clockface, old fashioned barometer, or something of that nature. You have to remmember that the camera lens is round so any direct light on the lens could very well set off a round reflection.

The whole reason why things show up on film is because they have mass, so anything that has mass has the potential to reflect light. So dust particles,bugs or anything else airborne could reflect the light as well.

Try taking a few pics from different angles of the same scene and see what happens, then take a pic or two somewhere else but with the same lighting as to eliminate or validate the uniquesness of this particular photo.

Also you could look through old photos and see if there are some you missed, especially those taken with the same camera. This could eliminate or validate that the pic was unique or it could also give corroborating evidence as to the orbs being attracted to a single person.

Most of all enjoy your pics, enjoy the artistic value of the orbs and the mystery they invoke thumbsup.gif
MoonBaby
Yeah, lovly deer heads, huh? They're my inlaws. I love 'em though so I have to look past some things.rolleyes.gif I've looked through other pictures that were taken the same night by the same camera just outside, and they don't have any of the little orb things. I'll try what you said and take some more someday. What is an orb supposed to be anyway?
Chauncy
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What is an orb supposed to be anyway?


Well thats not entirely decided upon. Some speculate it is dead relatives.
Some say they are inter-dimensional traffic, gaurdian angles, you name it and it has probably been said by someone.

They could very well be just an ordinary reflection, and I've been trying to find out when they started becoming all the rage. The closest thing I can come to as to why they are so much a fad is that movie The Sixth Sense. there was a scene in that movie where the mother was looking at old photos of her son and noticed the orbs in the pic, this signified that she was starting to put 2&2 together. Based on that I think it caused people to go look over old photos to see if they could find anything, and of course they did, so it would seem that the whole orb deal could just be public hysteria or voluntary creation of an Urban Legend ?

Who knows!........yet
gufzoo
Here's me with an orb. (ignore the hair...)
gufzoo
Oops, not coming up. ?Porque? (This is what I'm no expert in...)
MoonBaby
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Oops, not coming up. ?Porque? (This is what I'm no expert in...)
Come on now, what are you thinkin'? huh.gif You have to be an expert at this before you can post. laugh.gif
Venomshocker
Those arent orbs, In the process of developing photos, they use a variety of different paints/dyes/colours, to create the photo. Sometimes the machine, gets run down, and 'drippy' and it drips little blotches on photos that slightly discolour the photo in little drop like patterns. This happens sometimes when printing photos with a printer. Youll see it in alot of photos. original.gif
Chauncy
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Youll see it in alot of photos.


Thats cool I didn't know that......I guess maybe then if you get a photo or two and there is a lot of orbs then you could check your reciepte to see if they rebated you or not:)

Venom what did you think of my Sixth Sense/Urban legend theory?


MoonBaby
Venom, shut your mouth or I'll get the guns gunsmilie.gif!!!!!!!!!!! Just kidding laugh.gif . No I'm serious mad.gif. No, but seriously, where did you get that information from, por favor? Just so you know, I like the other story better about spirits and ghosts and what-not. It's happier.
Falco Rex
I don't know where Venom got his info, but heres a site that explains orbs pretty well..

Linky
MoonBaby
QUOTE (Falco Rex @ May 20 2004, 07:42 PM)
I don't know where Venom got his info, but heres a site that explains orbs pretty well..

Linky

I don't like that explanation either sad.gif . Aren't there more supernatural explanations that have been "proven"?
gufzoo
QUOTE (MoonBaby @ May 20 2004, 05:46 PM)
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Oops, not coming up. ?Porque? (This is what I'm no expert in...)
Come on now, what are you thinkin'? huh.gif You have to be an expert at this before you can post. laugh.gif

You're right, I'm sorry, I try so hard, but apparently I'm just not computer geeky enough for this stuff tongue.gif
Here's my solution: if you really want to see the picture, I'll e-mail it to you. Don't worry, I'm not gonna start forwarding stuff to you or anything stupid like that. You can e-mail me at psychokineticgirl@hotmail.com, and then I'll send it to you.
For those of you too suspicious huh.gif or lazy cat.gif (always wanted to use that one wink2.gif ) to e-mail me, I'll describe it for you: it's a bright white fuzzy ball about the level of my neck. A cool thing about it is if you zoom in on it, the left side is purplish and the right side is orangeish. Oh, and it was taken (for free) by a guy who just happens to call himself "the Orbmaster". He's e-mailed me a ton of other orb pics too, some even in motion, so let me know if you want me to forward those to you too.
MoonBaby
Where'd you get this? A guy you paid to take it at your house?

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apparently I'm just not computer geeky enough for this stuff 


I hear you on that one, buddy.
Falco Rex
Okay, I thought you wanted the most rational and probable explanation. Actually,even most Paranormal Researchers are reluctant to say they know what Orbs are or even if they're anything to do with Ghosts at all. You'll have a hard time finding any that claim they can definitely explain them..
It goes against my better judgement to give out info that's probably false, but I have a soft spot for your avatar,since it looks almost exactly like one of my ex-girlfriends..
Here's a link with a more "Supernatural" look at Orbs..

Abra-Cadabra
Wild-Eyes
QUOTE (Venomshocker @ May 20 2004, 06:20 PM)
Those arent orbs, In the process of developing photos, they use a variety of different paints/dyes/colours, to create the photo. Sometimes the machine, gets run down, and 'drippy' and it drips little blotches on photos that slightly discolour the photo in little drop like patterns. This happens sometimes when printing photos with a printer. Youll see it in alot of photos.  original.gif

I'd never heard about the 'dripping' before - it makes perfect sense, but for some reason, it's escaped all explanations of orbs I've seen. Thanks for the info!

The links debunking orbs also was interesting. It's about what I figured, and makes a lot of sense for the digital camera phenonmenon. My model of digicam doesn't seem to get any orbs at all (I've taken plenty of photos in my room, and there's plenty of dust particles back here for it to grab).

There's three real reasons I don't believe in orbs:

1. Many easily explained phenomenon that occurs with cameras, especially digitals. Little has been done to prove that it isn't the camera's fault.

2. Orbs are indeed a 'recent' thing, that gained extreme popularity as digicams came out. I don't think "Our technology is more advanced so now it picks up the trails and presences of spirits like never before!" is a good explanation either... especially when you see #1.

3. Orbs have never visually manifested to people. Ghastly vapors? Yup. Shadow men? Yup. Full body images? Yup. Orbs? No. Visual manifestation seems to be a preclusion of ghostly and spiritual presences that have also been photographed.


Falco Rex
And now that Orbs have been debunked once and for all, let's all go get roaring drunk!!

I have a feeling this STILL ain't over yet... dontgetit.gif
MoonBaby
Rex-
Thank you very much. Both of those were very informative. If you know anymore site feel free to post them. I like to hear all different theories so I can be well informed, so anything that you have, feel free to bring it on original.gif. But if you're too busy getting drunk... I'll understand gunsmilie.gif. And then I'll steal your liquor. ohmy.gif

Anybody else...
gufzoo
"the Orbmaster" says that he's seen orbs without the aid of cameras. He also says that they manifest right before thunder storms. Oh, and like I said, he took my pic for free!
MoonBaby
Hey gufzoo-
I just e-mailed you thumbsup.gif
gufzoo
Okay, I'll send you the pic now.
gufzoo
did you get it?
Falco Rex
Here's a couple more.

Loony

Less Loony

And you can stop waving your guns around. They have no effect on us Horsemen... devil.gif
Wild-Eyes
QUOTE (gufzoo @ May 21 2004, 04:20 AM)
"the Orbmaster" says that he's seen orbs without the aid of cameras. He also says that they manifest right before thunder storms. Oh, and like I said, he took my pic for free!

Sounds like ball lightning.

Really, I've seen very little evidence of orb manifestation that people have reported seeing, especially compared to the plethora of other 'ghost' tales.

I can see the particles of energy floating around in the sky when I look at it ... they dance and swirl before my eyes! blink.gif

Actually, it's just a trick of the eyes. I'm not seeing anything substantial, it just looks like I'm watching tiny little energy fairies dance in the thousands before my eyes.
ouijaouija
orbs are just specks of dust. People trying to say they're ghosts are kiddin themselves. Before anyone knew of orbs, they'd see a speck of dust. But now, it is not a speck of dust, it is a ghost...

synge
have you taken multiple pictures of that room inparticularily?

try getting different angles and maybe a few from the same angle as the one you showed us, see if they are still there.

also, was this picture taken at night?
MoonBaby
Nope, I haven't been back there to take any more pictures. But I'm going to. And yeah, it was taken at night. Why?
synge
well, in that link that was given, it said alot of times orbs appear sometimes at night.

the speculation is, at nighttime, mist and water particles form when the air cools down, and the orbes could be water particles inside your house, probably caught in their when the door opened and closed a few times.

mainly curiosity, that's all.
MoonBaby
Curiosity is not acceptable in here laugh.gif. Anyways, I can buy that to a point, but I just don't think that every picture that has ever been taken that has orbs in it is just that. Maybe it's the poor deer spirits crying.gif .
gufzoo
Lol laugh.gif
Chauncy
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but I just don't think that every picture that has ever been taken that has orbs in it is just that.


Absolutely MoonBaby, there is a fine line between what is and what isn't,sometimes.

Thats why it takes a certain amount of responsibility to look at all possibilities, which is why I assume you came here.

And the Deer spirits is quite a possibility , Karma has its way of redemption. whistling2.gif

Any time you encounter a situation that has the appearance of paranormal, the first thing you should ask is "o.k , what could cause this effect"! and start from there. Just on this thread alone you were shown different possibilities, you just have to eliminate or validate each one......then think of more reasons. When all is exhausted you should then investigate a paranormal explaination.

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gufzoo
I agree Chauncy. However, it irks me sometimes when people are too quick to try to find a logical explanation for things.

Open your minds! Consider ALL possibilities. There's a heck of a lot more about this universe that we DON'T know than what we DO. The universe isn't going to conform itself to our silly laws and principles. No matter what laws we establish, the universe will continue to defy them. Does this mean that orbs are not dust particles? How should I know? Maybe they are, and maybe they aren't. My philosophy - keep an open mind, and consider anything possible!
Chauncy
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My philosophy - keep an open mind, and consider anything possible!


You dig it man!

As far as orbs .....in order to confirm it is a paranormal occurence we must then eliminate it as a dust ball. tongue.gif
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Serena
QUOTE (Wild-Eyes @ May 20 2004, 11:54 PM)
QUOTE (gufzoo @ May 21 2004, 04:20 AM)
"the Orbmaster" says that he's seen orbs without the aid of cameras.  He also says that they manifest right before thunder storms.  Oh, and like I said, he took my pic for free!

Sounds like ball lightning.

Really, I've seen very little evidence of orb manifestation that people have reported seeing, especially compared to the plethora of other 'ghost' tales.

I can see the particles of energy floating around in the sky when I look at it ... they dance and swirl before my eyes! blink.gif

Actually, it's just a trick of the eyes. I'm not seeing anything substantial, it just looks like I'm watching tiny little energy fairies dance in the thousands before my eyes.

I can see- as you describe, particles of energy that swirl and dance in the sky too.

I've been told that it is negative ions. It makes sence to me because the clearer more sunnier the sky is, the more I see moving around.


I've seen ghosts and angles before and various other beings. I usually only feel the presence or may hear them.

I've seen thousands upon thousands of orbs before without a camera and I've captured many on film too...generally I see them as like a shooting star, sometimes not. And my cat has the ability to see things too, so usually when I see an orb, I find my cat locked and looking at it too. And because I usually only see it for a second or various flashes in a few seconds time, I find my cat actually seeing it for longer periods of time and she indicates that it's still here and roaming around...I can tell because of attention and that her her eyes are looking at it move.

In the house I grew up in and am currently living (visiting fam for this year) I've discovered 2 vortexes in the basement that yes, I've been able to see what it looks like and how it performs. I've only seen an angle come out of one of them. This angel made a grand apperance with explosions of light and trumpet sounds and then out came the angel walking towards me.

I'm kind of a novice with definitions, but in a hot spot where I usually spend my time while in town, I can feel an area that I don't believe to be a vortex (I haven't focused my energy or site to see it yet) but I freguently see orbs near this area...mind you, I see them in many different areas.
These orbs never feel like an earthbound spirit to me neither have any orbs I've seen to be. But on various occasions when I've tried to tap into why, I usually feel a serene presence near by me.

Once in the basement I saw perhaps an orb (??), but it was a solid white ball about a foot wide that I saw coming out of the wall and slowly passed straight ahead through the room to leave out of the other wall.
Falco Rex
I hope I'm not one of the skeptics that bum you guys out too much. I try to keep my mind open, just not so far open that anything can fall in.. wink2.gif
It just seems to me that almost everything out there can be explained within the Parameters of what we already know about the World..
Almost everything..
gufzoo
Let's see what this picture does to you, Falco. The Orbmaster took it. (He got that rep from a guy who pointed out to him once that in a picture he got of himself standing surrounded by orbs, a particularly bright one posed over his ring finger!) He says he thinks the pic is of a portal through which orbs enter our world. This was the first of three fast frame shots, or whatever you call it. In the second shot he says it turned distorted, like a plume of smoke, and was completely gone in the third.
Here's the webpage in case my computer non-geekiness strikes again:
http://www.unknowncountry.com/img/news/012...02/avport-1.jpg
and the page before it:
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=1131
gufzoo
(posted twice - oops!) hey, look, i've achieved computer geekitude!
Falco Rex
I'm not going to come right out and say it's fake because there's things I'd have to know first..One is if that streetlight is a Halogen or Mercury Vapor lamp. Another is if he used a digital or regular camera( If he mentioned it on his page I didn't see it). The two questions kind of work together. Digital Cameras can take weird pictures depending on what light is around..
You know the little bulb on your TV Remote? Well if you change the channel while taking a picture with your digital camera you can get a weird light effect just like the one in that picture..
So depending on what type of bulb is in that street-light and what type of camera he used, the same might have happened in this picture..
See, I don't automatically rule out Paranormal happenings, I just try to cover every base before I make up my mind.. wink2.gif
Chauncy
I took this picture across the street from my house, there was obvious climate reasons for the appirition , but non-the-less people interpretate things as per their wishes.......sometimes.

Proof of this is the fact my picture found its place on this website.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page411.html

I wonder who sent it there?? w00t.gif
gufzoo
Falco - does distance make a difference? He sent me a copy of the whole picture, which is copyrighted, so I won't post it here. The "portal" looks really close, while the lamp is really far away. Plus, notice the cufflink-like orbs flanking the portal where the orange section meets the smoky section. It's a lot more convincing in its entirety as opposed to what I posted.

Chauncy - cool pic! Did you see it in real life as you were taking the picture?
Chauncy
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Chauncy - cool pic! Did you see it in real life as you were taking the picture?


No I did not.

But, I specificall went out that night to make the photo.

There was snow on the ground and the air was warm, so I knew that there was fog whether you could see it or not. That pic is just a pocket of air that was dense enough to reflect the flash. The fact it is in human form was just an added bonus.

The manner in which I presented the pic on that website lead to its speculation of supernatural, when in fact there was natural reasons for it. Any rational person would see the snow and figure in my location the time of year was given. A quick search via the web would give you the temp for that month. So a rational person would come to the factual explaination, where as the pre-supposers or the wishers it will remain the graveyard ghoul.!
RisingSun
Well, what can you say? Most probably it can be explained by some natural phenomenon--moisture on the lens, something on the film or in the development process. "Wonder on till truth make all things plain."

What is interesting is your reaction to the photograph and your wonderings about what these "anomolies" could be? Does this reflect a longing to connect to something greater than yourself? Is there a desire of affirmation from a supernatural realm concerning "your life" or what is going on in your life?

I am a fiction writer, and in my current story a pulse of light comes crashing through the oculus (the open tip of a domed ceiling--in a dream sequence with the main character and his dead brother). It comes crashing through as if it were some sort of guided meteor and lands on a Greek pedestal (on of twelve in the room). In the story, the whole idea of the orb represents open possibility and manifestation--divine possibility if you like. I have not read about orbs per se. From my own memory of ramdom readings and movies etc., the orb can be many things: a crystals ball, as in what we see in the Christ image of a man holding a sphere in one hand and a raised open hand in the other. In a cosmic sense orbs are manifestations of energy--from the model of an atom (albeit dated) to stars and other spherical phenomenon we observe in the universe. And in a more mythical or allegorical sense they are like nymphs or cherubims etc.

I personally think that the orb is an architypal symbol born out of what we see as humans (spheres, suns, moons, earth, planets, bubbles--an amazing geometry that we could wonder is true or not--meaning is it a product of how we are made and how the senses, especially the eyes ((of course interpreted by the mind)) see things. The sphere can also be looked at as the extention of a series of infinite trianges which is also an arcitipal symbol we live with.

In wondering how the mind and the spirit work, I am then more curious as to your subjective interpretations as to what you think you are seeing then the actual objective verification of the phenomenon.

Anyway, just some thoughts. This is my first post.

RS
MoonBaby
Welcome grin2.gif . I'm pretty new to this crap too.

There's really not any longing. Me and my husband used to live in that house and we used to have weird things happen occasionally a lot. I found that picture, thought that those little things were kinda weird, and posted it just to see what other people thought it was thumbsup.gif. Plus, I wanted to know more background on this orb stuff.
RisingSun
MB: Welcome . I'm pretty new to this crap too.

RS: You are funny! I laughed my way all the way into the kitchen (sorry, I had to use the word way twice in that sentence)--I'm still laughtng. Wish I had a recording. I sould like I'm either happy or a madman.

MB: There's really not any longing. Me and my husband used to live in that house and we used to have weird things happen occasionally a lot. I found that picture, thought that those little things were kinda weird, and posted it just to see what other people thought it was . Plus, I wanted to know more background on this orb stuff.

RS: Well, longing was perhaps the wrong word and just a projection. I write very quickly. Now I see more of the story, I get the reason it was attracted to your mind or vice versa, however that goes. "Weird things happening occasionally, a lot." Hmm. That sounds a bit weird actually. So, what? You were thinking that the camera might have been capturing an image of what might have been causing this occasionally weird stuff, a lot ?
You might want to talk about the weird stuff. I just hope you qualifiy anything that is fact and anything that is fiction. Memory can do strange things. But serioiusly, if you have some weird stuff, I want to hear it. I just want you to tell me when it is fiction or not. I'm not meaning to sound like a naysayer skeptic (well, I am in some ways). I like the goods going both ways, whether fact or fiction.
RS


Ozmeister
If I was to put a rational explanation to what you photographed there MoonBaby, I would say it's an internal reflection inside your camera's lens and/or the camera body.

But I would not rule out any other explanation, offhand.
MoonBaby
QUOTE (Ozmeister @ May 23 2004, 08:07 AM)
If I was to put a rational explanation to what you photographed there MoonBaby, I would say it's an internal reflection inside your camera's lens and/or the camera body.

That's what I would have said too, but the camera we used is my father-in-laws, it's been used for everything. We have old pics where nothing showed up, and the rest of the pics on that same roll of film were fine.

RS, as far as weird things go... I'll only tell you the things that I can remember clearly. One night my husband and I were going to sleep and, you know the litlle stick on window blinds that turns? That thing kept banging against the blinds. And it didn't bounce. We checked to see if we could find anything that might be causing it, but found nothing. And then there's other stuff that I don't have time to write about right now.
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