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dancin'hamster
Following on from my last thread about Demonic Possession, what about ‘possession’ in general? Aren’t mediums possessed? Don’t they allow the spirits of the dead to enter them and take them over?
Can discarnate entities 'cadge a lift' in a live body?

This is probably one of the best known and well-documented cases of possession ever recorded, and I expect most of you have heard of it – but am gonna post it anyway tongue.gif

The Watseka Wonder
The small town of Watseka, Illinois is located about 50 miles south of Chicago and on the eastern side of the state, just a few miles from the Indiana border. The sensation that would come to be known as the "Watseka Wonder" would first make it's appearance here in July of 1877.
It was at this time that a 13-year-old girl named Lurancy Vennum first fell into a strange, catatonic sleep during which she claimed to speak with spirits. The attacks occurred many times each day and sometimes lasted as long as eight hours. During her trance, Lurancy would speak in different voices although when she awoke, she would remember nothing. News of the strange girl traveled about the state and during this time of popularity for the Spiritualist movement, many visitors came to see her.
Finally, doctors diagnosed Lurancy as being mentally ill and they recommended that she be sent to the State Insane Asylum in Peoria, Illinois. In January of 1878, a man named Asa Roff, also from Watseka, came to visit the Vennum family. He claimed that his own daughter, Mary, had been afflicted with the same condition as Lurancy...and he was convinced that his daughter had actually spoken to spirits.
He was also convinced that his daughter’s spirit still existed....but little did he know, that she was right now inside the body of Lurancy Vennum!
To understand the strange and fantastic events that took place in Watseka, we must first start at the beginning of the tale and try to piece together a puzzle that has disturbed investigators for years. Is spirit possession really possible? If you explore the strange case of the “Watseka Wonder”, you just might believe that it is!
Mary Roff died on the afternoon of July 5, 1865 while hospitalized at the State Mental Asylum in Peoria. She had been committed there after a bizarre incident when she began slashing at her arms with a straight razor. It was the final tragedy in Mary’s descent into madness and insanity. In the beginning, it had only been the strange voices that seemed to come from nowhere; next were the long periods when she stayed in a trance-like state; then came her moments of awakening, when she spoke in other voices and seemed to be possessed by the spirits of other people; then finally, came her obsession with blood. Mary was convinced that she needed to remove the blood from her body, using pins, leeches and at last, a sharpened razor.
After that final incident, her parents discovered her on the floor of her room, no longer conscious and lying in a pool of blood. Broken-hearted, they took her to the asylum and here, Mary endured more tragedy as the “cures” for insanity in those days were hardly up to the standards of psychiatric hospitals of today. A favored treatment in the 1860’s was the Water Cure, where a patient would be immersed naked in a tub of icy water and then taken to a tub of scalding water.
And there was more.... female patients, like Mary, received a cold water douche, administered with a hose and then wet sheets were wrapped tightly around them to squeeze the blood vessels shut. This was followed by vigorous rubbing to restore circulation. These treatments were administered several times each week.
Not surprisingly, such techniques brought little success and most patients never improved. Mental hospitals at that time were merely cages to store the insane and it would be some years to come before any real progress was made in mental health care.
Like most others, Mary showed no improvement and soon died.
At the time of Mary Roff’s death, Lurancy Vennum was a little more than one year old.... but in just over a decade, their lives would be forever connected in a case that remains today as one of the strangest, and most authentic, cases of possession ever recorded.

Lurancy Vennum had been born on April 16, 1864 and she and her family had moved to Watseka when she was seven years old. Since they arrived long after Mary Roff’s death, the Vennum family knew nothing of her strange illness, nor did they know the Roff family, other than to speak to them on the streets of the small town.
Then on July 11, 1877, a series of strange events would begin.
On that morning, Lurancy complained to her mother about feeling sick and then collapsed onto the floor, passed out cold. She stayed in a deep, catatonic sleep for the next five hours but when she awoke, she seemed fine. But this was only the beginning....
The next day, Lurancy once again slipped off into the trance-like sleep but this time was different, as she began speaking aloud of visions and spirits. In her trance, she told her family that she was in heaven and that she could see and hear spirits, including the spirit of her brother, whom had died in 1874.
From that day on, the trances began to occur more and more frequently and would sometimes last for up to eight hours. While she was asleep, Lurancy continued to speak about her visions, which were sometimes terrifying. She claimed that spirits were chasing her through the house and shouting her name. The attacks occurred up to a dozen times each day and as they continued, Lurancy began to speak in other languages, or at least in nonsense words that no one could understand. When she awoke, she would remember nothing of her trance nor of her strange ramblings.
The stories and rumors about Lurancy and her visions began to circulate in Watseka. People were certainly talking and even the local newspaper printed stories about her. No one followed the case more closely than Asa Roff, the father of Mary Roff. In the early stages of Mary’s illness, she too had claimed to communicate with spirits and would fall into long trances without warning. He was sure that Lurancy Vennum was suffering from the same illness as his poor daughter. But Roff said nothing until the Vennum family exhausted every known cure for Lurancy. It was not until the local doctor and a minister suggested that the girl be sent to the State Mental Hospital that Roff got involved. He refused to see another young woman end up as his Mary did in the hands of the doctors.
On January 31, 1878, he contacted the Vennum family. They were naturally skeptical of his story but he did persuade them to let him bring a Dr. E. Winchester Stevens to the house. Stevens, like Asa Roff, was a dedicated Spiritualist and the two men had become convinced that Lurancy was not insane. They believed that Lurancy was actually a vessel through which the dead were communicating. Roff only wished that he had seen the same evidence in his own daughter years before.
The Vennum’s allowed Dr. Stevens to “mesmerize” the girl and try to contact the spirits through her. Within moments, Lurancy was speaking in another voice, which allegedly came from a spirit named Katrina Hogan. Then, the spirit changed and claimed to be that of Willie Canning, a young man who had committed suicide. She spoke as Willie for over an hour and then suddenly, she threw her arms into the air and fell over backward. Dr. Stevens took her hands and soon, Lurancy calmed and gained control of her body again. She was now in heaven and would allow a gentler spirit to control her.
She said the spirit’s name was Mary Roff.
The trance continued on into the next day and by this time, Lurancy apparently was Mary Roff. She said that she wanted to leave the Vennum house, which was unfamiliar to her, and go home to the Roff house. When Mrs. Roff heard the news, she hurried to the Vennum house in the company of her married daughter, Minerva Alter.
The two women came up the sidewalk and saw Lurancy sitting by the window. “Here comes Ma and Nervie,” she reportedly said and ran up to hug the two surprised women. No one had called Minerva by the name “Nervie” since Mary’s death in 1865.
It now seemed evident to everyone involved that Mary had taken control of Lurancy Vennum. Although she looked the same, she knew everything about the Roff family and treated them as her loved ones. The Vennum’s, on the other hand, although treated very courteously, were seen with a distant politeness. It was as if their own daughter only knew them as friendly strangers.
On February 11, Lurancy, or rather “Mary”, was allowed to go home with the Roff’s. Mr. and Mrs. Vennum agreed that it would be for the best, although they desperately hoped that Lurancy would regain her true identity. The Roff’s however, saw this as a miracle, as though Mary had returned from the grave.
Lurancy was taken across town and as they traveled, they passed by the former Roff home, where they had been living when Mary died. She demanded to know why they were not returning there and they had to explain that they had moved a few years back. Further evidence that Lurancy was now Mary Roff?
For the next several months, Lurancy lived as Mary and seemed to have completely forgotten her former life. She did however, tell her mother that she would only be with them until “some time in May”. As time passed, Lurancy continued to show that she knew more about the Roff family, their possessions and habits, than she could have possibly known if she had been faking the whole thing. Many of the incidents and remembrances that she referred to had taken place years before Lurancy had even been born.
Of course, not everyone in Watseka believed that Mary had taken possession of Lurancy’s body and ridiculed the very idea of it. Several of the doctors who had attempted to treat Lurancy started scathing rumors about Dr. Stevens and the Vennum’s pastor pleaded with them to have Lurancy committed. He predicted a time when they would wish that they had followed his advice.
In early May, Lurancy told the Roff family that it was time for her to leave. She became very sad and despondent and would spend the day going from one family member to the next, hugging them and touching them at every opportunity. She wept often at the thought of leaving her “real family” and over the next couple of weeks, a battle raged for control of Lurancy’s physical body. At one moment, Lurancy would announce that she had to leave and at the next moment, Mary would cling to her father and cry over the idea of leaving him.
Finally, on May 21, Lurancy returned home to the Vennum’s. She displayed none of the strange symptoms of her earlier illness and her parents were convinced that somehow she had been cured, thanks to intervention by the spirit of Mary Roff. She soon became a happy and healthy young woman, suffering no ill effects from her strange experience.
She also remained in touch with the Roff family for the rest of her life. Although she had no memories of her time as Mary, she still felt a curious closeness to them that she could never really explain. During occasional visits to their home, Lurancy would sometimes allow Mary to take control of her so that she could communicate with her family.
Eight years later, when Lurancy turned 18, she married a local farmer named George Binning and two years later, they moved to Rawlins County, Kansas. They bought a farm there and had 11 children. Lurancy died in the late 1940’s while she was in California visiting one of her daughters.
Asa Roff and his wife received hundreds of letters, from believers and skeptics alike, after the story of the possession was printed on the front page of the Watseka newspaper. After a year of constant hounding and scorn from neighbors, they left Watseka and moved to Emporia, Kansas. Seven years later, they returned to Watseka to live with Minerva and her husband. They died of old age and are buried in Watseka.
The Vennum’s stayed on in Watseka for many years but after the death of her husband, Lucinda Vennum moved to Kansas with Lurancy and her children.
Dr. Stevens lectured on the “Watseka Wonder” for eight years before dying in Chicago in 1886.
Mary Roff was never heard from again.
http://www.prairieghosts.com/wonder.html

For anyone who is interested, there are several books on Lurancy, one called 'Child Possessed' that I read when I was about 14.

Hammy x x x
Thistle
Thanks Hams thumbsup.gif

I'd only hears the basics about this story before now. I have to admit to being a hooooooge old sceptic when it comes to possession but there are a few cases such as this one that make you think twice.

Does anyone have any logcal explanation for how this little girl could have known so much about Mary Roff?
dancin'hamster
Umm..............nope!

That's why the story is still one of the best on record.

Also, some people who eventually came out of mental institutions reported that during barbaric electro-shock 'therapy', they felt themselves floating out of their bodies........astral projection. Perhaps poor Mary did this and somehow made contact with young Lurancy?

Worth a thought?

*throws Thistle Kendall Mint Cake*

was a bit a of loooooong thread wasn't it?

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Falco Rex
This has always been one of my favorite possession stories. I have a rational explanation for almost everything, but I'll admit this one has me stumped, and has for years. It's one thing to have some information on a dead person. It's quite another to live as them for several months. I suppose the Vennum and Roff families could have concievably been in prior contact and worked a story out together. One thing that bothers me about that explanation though is that I've never heard about any of the parties involved making so much as a dime on the deal. Of course just because I don't have a good explanation doesn't mean there isn't one..
haunted-one61
It's strange how that little middle-of-nowhere town is such a hot spot for odd things (still). My kids had a friend whose mother was from there. She knew of some "haunted spots" in that town, I think one of them was a supposedly extremely haunted train depot which local people said had some kind of demons in it.

They also heard of these stories from some other people. I'm not familiar with the town, but I passed through there briefly a few years ago (not much there but farms, a car dealer, a small store, a few blocks of houses, if I remember right).

Anyway, this town is supposed to be on what used to be Indian land. Did they build on top of Indian burial ground? Does that have something to do with these stories? I don't know....I'll have thegothicsteve post the Watseka stories when he gets a chance. thumbsup.gif
Lotus Flower
QUOTE(Falco Rex @ Jun 6 2004, 12:35 PM)
This has always been one of my favorite possession stories. I have a rational explanation for almost everything, but I'll admit this one has me stumped, and has for years. It's one thing to have some information on a dead person. It's quite another to live as them for several months. I suppose the Vennum and Roff families could have concievably been in prior contact and worked a story out together. One thing that bothers me about that explanation though is that I've never heard about any of the parties involved making so much as a dime on the deal. Of course just because I don't have a good explanation doesn't mean there isn't one..
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I have often wondered why they never made a movie about The Watseka Wonder, I reckon it would make pretty good watching.
Tia
The tv show Miracles had an episode very similar to this story.
ICBasketball
My Personal Haunting Watseka Wonder Experience

"A story appeared recently at the Times-Republic Online, and
since it is almost Halloween, I thought it was time to share a personal haunting
experience that occurred almost 30-years ago."

Click on the link for more.
Lotus Flower
QUOTE (ICBasketball @ Oct 27 2007, 11:19 AM) *
My Personal Haunting Watseka Wonder Experience

"A story appeared recently at the Times-Republic Online, and
since it is almost Halloween, I thought it was time to share a personal haunting
experience that occurred almost 30-years ago."

Click on the link for more.


Erm your link states "You have been banned from this site" - it is icbasketball.com site??
ICBasketball
Sorry, Let me fix that for you; one moment please.
goalienan
Hammy, you have the best reads....I am probably one of the few who have never heard of this one, but it was intriguing...thanks.. goalie
ICBasketball
Done; there should be access now.
Lotus Flower
thanks IC, I was getting paranoid for a minute laugh.gif thumbup.gif
MysteryLuvr2
WATSEKA WONDER:When Mary Came Home, A Play in Two Acts
NOW AVAILABLE FROM TRAFFORD PUBLISHING
By Award-Winning Playwright Nick Pelino, Jr.

Hi Hammy;
You did an excellent job in explaining this complicated story. Not many people can find as much detail about this case, I have only found two strong sources, David St. Claire's "Watskea", (Playboy Press) and Nick Pelino, Jr.'s exceptional play, "The Watseka Wonder: When Mary Came Home." (Trafford Publishers) I had the honor of seeing its first performance in New Jersey about a decade ago and it was entertaining, funny, frightening and one of the best evenings I ever spent in the theater. It was done very simply with a large cast. As you implied, Hammy, it is well-known and well documented but not many people get all of the information gathered neatly and tightly so it is understandable. Your synopsis, St. Clair and Pelino have managed to do that. Since seeing the play, I have done frequent searches to see if it has become available for purchase and now, FINALLY it is!
Regency
Oooo necro posting, Hammy hasn't been around in a while. I miss her, she had great ghost stories. Come back Hammy! crying.gif

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