Hi all!

I've enjoyed reading all the old threads that were posted and hope you don't mind one more question. After reading the original posts made by John and others, I'm wondering what became of the e-mails that were forwarded to John that he said he would post on the internet in 1998 on his first leg of the journey home. He made an offer to all who were interested to forward e-mails to themselves that supposedly would be posted on the internet when he arrived in 1998. I haven't seen reference anywhere to this being checked out and wondered if maybe I've missed something. I'm new to this site and forum and only recently heard of John Titor, so I apologize if it's been covered and I missed it.

My opinion is that John Titor is a fraud who likes the book "Alas, Babylon" a bit too much... and that is the opinion of others too. Theres also the rarely touched question about his time machine... how does it know what to bring back in time and what not to, since its not something you sit in...

Titor, a fraud? omg!

I personally believe "John Titor" was a psycho, or psyhic. He "foresaw" a piece of the future, and filled in the gaps. The piece i believe he had correct was the next american civil war.

The fact that his "Time machine" instuction manual can be found on the US patent office database means he's not a time traveler (sorry kids).

His picture of the laser being "bent" by a gravitational field is a fake as well, when the image is enchanced, you can see something mounted on the door of the car, holding a piece of fiber optics that should be the laser beam..

His video of his trip back never surfaced, as he promised it would.

and no, he never reappeared in 1998, perhalps he changed the timeline so much, he ceased to exist.

For the "fake laser" pic, go to anomalies.net forums.

thier time travel section on the forums consists almost entirely of titor discussion.

All info I've cited can be found in those forums, I just don't have the time atm to search for them all myself. (I'll post later if no one else has)

-HK

HK,

Thanks for the reply. This whole business about another civil war in the U.S. is new to me. Could you give me some reasons behind your statement that you think that's the part John Titor got right.
I do watch the news and read the newspapers but I'm not sure news of that sort really is right out there for all to see. If it is, maybe I just don't know where to look! I'd like to know what's going on and be prepared for it. Maybe he was a fraud, but if it wakes some people up, that would be a good thing.

Thanks for your reply also, Stellar, I plan on reading "Alas, Babylon". I've seen that mentioned before.

I would appreciate any facts or interesting news pertaining to info about a possible civil war here in the U. S. Thanks

To be honest....whether this guy is real or not i, and am ashamed to admit it, give the guy some respect for making a hoax so complex. He fooled a lot of people and with evidence too!.

Umm the civil war thing I think will be started because of Iraq...Bush will not back down, and people will want him too. did you see the video of that american the Iraqi radicals captured? they cut his head off with a 8" or 9" knife while he was alive. more of this crap will keep happening, the american people will get fed up and revolt.

You are right about Bush not backing down. That was a very sad thing about the American that was beheaded, along with all the other news of kidnapping and everything going on over there. I have a lot of respect for the people who are risking their lives over there, but I never felt it was the right thing to do in the first place. More later.

I agree, its going to keep escalating, Its part of their religion to hate us with that kind of motivation I doubt they will back down. and in bush's mind hes just finishing what his father started, something he was destined to do. so neither sides are willing to back down...the only people that will want it will be the American people, thus the reason behiend a civil war... it will be the people who support bush against the people who oppose him. And he even predicted that the uprisings will be sparse and wont be constant. they will be on and off type things, which makes perfect sence.

Did this guy made the video, that he was suppost get recorded by his dad, to show us as actual proof ?
anyone knows?

I was actually extremely interested in the John Titor story and read up alot on it, from his first posts to his very last to his IRC logs. I havn't been able to make up by mind whether or not I believe his story or not yet but he does put forward alot of interesting arguments.

Now, people can choose to believe this or not, at the main forum he posted at he offered people the chance to post something back to themselves on the internet once Titor returned to 1998. The people who left Titor with a message to post had some very weird things happen afterwards, like a simple shopping centre who one of the people that left Titor with a message to post used to pass every day, going to and coming home from work. One day it just dissapeared, he asked his wife where it went and she said it never existed in the first place...

I have heard a couple of these stories from the fortunate people who Titor posted messages for, alot are moderators at the forum posted at and believe to this day Titor was in fact telling the truth.

Removed post to offensive for some.

Haha, another Civil war? Why would there be another Civil war? Do you guys even know what a Civil war is?

I've read most of the stuff that John Titor posted, And all i can say is that he is full of BS.... You can ask anybody those questions, And I bet anybody can come up with better answers!! The guy did not answer even one question to make him self blieveble. Every single question he answered makes no sence to be a prediction.....

-The very first reason that make him FAKE , even with out opening his mouth....
THE TIME MACHINE :
......Does anybody honestly think that a human being is capable of disolve himself to be transport to another dimension... BS!

I believe that you can go back in time MENTALLY but never, never, never ever PHYSICALLY............

...........................

What do you guys think? Do you guys beleive that you can go back in time in a
TIME MACHINE ?

This sure is thought provoking. One thing I know, times are changing they are constantly changing. I read an article about scientists who teleported the first atom ( don't have link) . Anyway either John Titor is a time travelor or a good physic, for too many of his predictions are coming true. He said somehting about non-lethal weapons that turn out to be lethal, well another ariticle I read said that the government just reported a new breakthrough non-lethal weapon. Hmmmm . Make love, not war

I just want to reply to the part where somebody said that hating americans is part of our religion: Have you ever read the quran? I thought not, it's the same thing as christianity except instead of God, its Allah. That's just rascist propoganda you believe. America is having its rights slowly taken away, some will not think so, and others think so. I am fairly certain that a lot of fighting will happen between american civilians and the government.

Well i know Hoax's, and if this is one they must of done there Research, or the guy was a Phycasist.

I personaly am leaning more taword it being real because of he over wellming knowlage and many of his pradictions are comming true. There is Civil Unrest in the United States.

And if a scientist says its impossible to travil back intime well then all i have to do is say, Scientists once said it was impossible to travile faster then sound.

~Thanato

Tworedrubyshoes:

Thank you for your post and welcome to the forum.

I have not heard of this John Titor. I will have to look for a read on him.

What are your thougts on this subject? Do you believe in time travel?
If so, to where and what time would you like to travel?

Anyway, welcome again. I hope you enjoy communicating with the many different members to the site. I have found that I am learning a lot. I hope you will too.

Good Luck
Peacelover

Oh man I thought I was going to invent Time Travel.

Peacelover,

Thank you for your welcome note. Time travel, or the possibility of, has been a facination of mine for a long time. I only recently read of John Titor and found all the info very interesting. I personally believe it is possible to travel through time. I'm not an engineer or physicist, or any of that stuff, but I believe from everything that I've read and studied about it that it is possible. Everyone has their own opinion and I respect that, but I feel that it has been done and will one day be more common. I'm not sure which time I would like to visit, and I'm not really sure I would try to change anything, but it would be nice to be able to visit a lot of different times in history and see it for myself.
There is lot to be read about John Titor and all his posts, you would be surprised at some of the things he said. It really makes you think, and opens your eyes to the possibilities of what could happen in our world and in our time.
I've enjoyed reading all the posts from everyone and I like this forum very much. I would like to know everyone else's thoughts on civil unrest here in our country. Thanks for the welcome.

Welcome Rubyshoes! Cute name. But I personally believe that this John Tuter like the others that I viewed their posts lost a few marbles. Anyway I'm sorry that I don't have a link for you since I just heard of those emails in '98 just now.

Rubyshoes,

I read up as well on John Titor, over 100 pages worth on his website, and I was completely transfixed by his level of detail. For about 2 days, it was like my head was somewhere else, just thinking of the possibilities. I want to believe his story so badly! But then I started looking at it a different way. This man is obviously very intelligent and has an education. He said many times that he was a history teacher. So it's possible that everything he's predicting are things that have been presenting in the past with wars and civil unrest, that he is using that past knowledge to help predict a very possible outcome for us.


The pictures of his time machine device are also interesting, but what if he did have a background in military operations and was involved with experiments, or building things? Perhaps this time machine is just a picture of something he was working on in the military that had nothing to do with time travel, and used its manual with a few changes?

There are so many intelligent people with various backgrounds who could probably fabricate a story like this as well. Maybe he was planning it for awhile, studying up on what's out there in physics, and had a whole crap load of time to play on the computer. Or maybe he's for real, but I'm trying to be objective, not just believing what I want to believe.

One major inconsistency that I read, was that he said people in his time didn't pay taxes, and a little later, it's like he forgot that and said that they did pay taxes. That's when I really started to question his credibility. I don't know, and for him to say he doesn't care if we believe him or not, that it's not important to him, that makes me think it's a tactic to infact make us believe even more. The picture of the 1970's computer, he could have gotten that anywhere!

I want to believe he's the genuine article, but that thing about the taxes turned me off, and the fact that his video just mysteriously disappeared very coincidentally.

Maybe he's reading all this and having a good laugh, I suppose we'll never know.

Yeah, For sure he is a smart guy !! No doubt about it, But any of my college teacher and some student are just as smart!! .... But just like many of you said, it was really istersting when reading the story.... I'm really surprise there are many people in here that still believe in the Time Machine, I'm impress.... Well, I've been ready the theory the John Titor was using as for time traveling and it makes no sence.... E=mc^2 "When a particle meets an antiparticle to create pure light, the photons that make up the particle and the antiparticle simply escape their traps"
He is just using it because it's sound close to a time traveling formula.. In a way it's but not in a way that you can go back in time.... The whole idea is in present time...

Well, I'd like to know how do you guys believe the idea about the time machine, It's all fantasy...

What do you guys think about Prophecies of Nostradamus?

I thought about something weird last night. Think about this, maybe John Titor isn't a fraud. HEAR ME OUT.... Some of his predictions have come to pass, but here is what was actually on my mind.

Titor says that in the year 2005 there will be CIVIL WAR, OR CIVIL UNREST will start showing. If President Bush wins this election, it very well could cause CIVIL UNREST AND POSSIBILY EVEN A CIVIL WAR.

Why, because so many people are angry with him. Can anyone think of any other president that has caused so much civil anger in our nation? Now Im not saying Im correct by any means, and I doubt I am, but it is just something to sit down and think about.

As Kip Thorne said maybe timetravelers are all around us we just don't notice them.


TNO Im out yo.

Hello all. I have been following the Titor event since shortly after Titor stopped posting. There is no proof that he was a time traveler; unfortunately, there is no proof this was a hoax either.

I am not trained as a physicist, so I cannot speak to the two sides on that. I have approached this event with a simple education. Here are my two cents:

1. Titor posted between November 2000 and March 2001. The attacks of the following September, The Patriot Act, a second war in Iraq, and a polarized America were the farthest things from our minds. Most of America was concerned with Survivor and Who Wants to be a Millionaire? back then. Here are a few quotes/"predictions" from Titor as found at www.johntitor.com:

Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?

You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.

When asked who the enemy (from his perspective) was in the civil war, he responded,

They will be the ones arresting and holding people without due process.

If you are up on current events, then these quotes mean something to you.

2. Titor posted for over five months. Many people enjoyed asking him questions. Many more were extremely hostile towards him. For the time he posted, he remained calm, wise, sincere, and somewhat caring. He exhibited none of the traits you would expect from a hoaxer. Since the Titor event, others have tried to play such a hoax--they all eventually give up and mention how difficult it is even after a few days to keep stories straight, take the abuse etc.

3. We are no longer a nation of readers. The Titor event is constantly misquoted and poorly read by both the believers and the non believers.

4. If we do enter a time of civil strife between 2005 and 2008, this will still not prove that Titor was a time traveler. The error in logic is called "affirming the consequent":

If p then q
q
therefore p

If he has cancer, he will require medical attention.
He requires medical attention.
Therefore, he has cancer.

(he may require medical attention for other reasons)

If Titor was an honest time traveler, there will be a civil war in 2005-2008.
There is a civil war in 2005-2008
Therefore, Titor was an honest time traveler.

(likewise, a civil war may happen for a variety of reasons--none of them necessarily linked to the Titor event)

Those are my four points and my 2 cents.

I think Titor stuck it out thru all the abuse b/c the guy simply had nothing else going for him, so he had time to think out his strategy.

The thing about his predictions, they are all general. He never really gave us specifics about the war supposedly coming up, and even that, from 2001, could have been predicted.

I'm not so convinced anymore about him. Too many generalizations, not enough evidence, and a few contradictions killed any belief I might have had.

flyinghigh23,

You must not have read my post.

Ive heard people say that if he was a time traveller he would of told us about the September 11 attacks.

Maybe in his timeline they didnt happen, or no one remembered them, or he just wasnt told himself.

Or maybe its something he chose not to say, who knows.

I wasnt around when any of these presidents were, but I dont know if they made the USA the most hated nation in the world as Bush seems to have done.

I think it has been said that travelling back in time is possible, but travelling forwards in time (faster than we do now) isnt, so if John Titor came back here, he would be stuck, unless they found a way to bring him back.

I think the only thing everyone can do is just remain peaceful and do not try to wage war against anyone for any reason whatsoever.

That way if titor is wrong you wouldnt have gotten yourself killed for the wrong reasons.

August, it has been awhile since I've read Titor's info, but I don't recall him being very specific, that's all. I think he mentioned something about civil unrest and then referred to the president, but he didn't use a name. Why couldn't he use names? Then he also said that he wasn't allowed to post pictures online from his time, but it was okay to print pictures of his time machine? He just had too many limitations to make me a believer.

And yes, I'm up on current events. Thanks.

First I would like to say hello as this is my first post. I've been reading the forums for a few months now and finally got my act in gear and got registered.

I've read as much as I could about Titor, and my impression of it all is this:

John Titor is a pen name. The person(s) behind the name took too many Sociology classes and tried to find a way to influence the way people treat each other. If this was the intention, then it seems the intended response would have been a positive one (people being more considerate, etc), not a negative one (fear and negative attention).

flyinghigh23,

August,

It's just annoying not knowing if he's for real, ya know? I consider myself a very open -minded person, and I always thought that if in fact time travel was possible, then it would only be logical that people would come back. Yet, if they have, it's my own fault of expectation of how I think they should be, and maybe my expectation is not necessarily right. Even if he presented evidence that could not be questioned and filled expectations, then we would still probably think he was a joke.

I go back and forth on Titor. The fact is, I'll never know, so it will always be a question. It's when I'm undecided about something of this magnitude where I really start to look at specifics to help me make up my mind. You're right, it's hard to find any real flaws with him. I guess I'll remain forever undecided.

God, I let this thread build before i responded to it, and now it's coming back to bite me in the butt.

There's so many things i want to respond to.

hunterkiller2001
Thank you for the valuable information. I was wondering about the dimensional time travel? and also your views on war (j/k) I do believe in past lives
All I can say is life sure is fun!!!!!!!!!!

flyinghigh,

Thanks for the response. My thoughts are similar to yours.

hunterkiller,

HunterKiller,

Here's a link that's kind of interesting. Some pretty far out views and info to be sure, but it kind of gives you something to think about and more stuff to research. http://www.citiesoflight.net/kadjina.html It takes all kinds to make up this world I guess, so take or leave whatever you want out of this site.

tworubyredshoes,
Thank you for that link- very interesting. I feel relieved that there are others in the cosmos, who are watching out for our own good. Now I know it's not all up to ME!
Until we meet again...

My thoughts exactly! Some of the information is strange sounding, but I have kept up with this site for about three years now and find a lot of useful info. It's actually where I first learned of John Titor. I always find something new and interesting to look up and learn about. Later

Nice SFX, but an amateur SFX student can do that.