There are those that think that there really is not that much of a difference in the biological composition of men and women, and they are essentially the same. What makes them different is the way they are treated as infants and children. Girls are more likely to be held as soon as they start to cry, was the biggest difference as far as how infants are treated. They said that this may be some instinct bred into human nature to make the boys "toughen up". There was more but I'll have to go through my notes to find it later.

Anyways, what I want to know, is what's ya'lls opinion on why dudes and chicks are different? Do you think it's mainly because of how they are treated or is it mostly because of biological factors?

Kind of off the subject, but, boys you need to get your butts in gear in school. If things keep going the way they are, by 2068 the last male will graduate with his bachelor's degree and there will be no more guys in college. I'm a chick but I personally don't want to see this country ran by a bunch of females. Dear lord I would cry.

Hmmm, yea Id say the main difference between boys an girls, is biological.

And Like Chauncy said, its mainly hormonal differences.

Let's not rule out upbringing either. Moonbaby had a point in her opening post. A girl crying has a problem that needs solving. A boy doing the same needs to learn to deal with it..
Not that every child is raised this way of course, but the general roles of gender haven't changed all that much when you consider how long humans have been around..
The difference between externalizing and internalizing emotions plays a big part on a childs' psyche as they develop..

There are huge diferences in the sexes, thank goodness . Mostly, I believe they are physical . Males tend to be bigger and stronger than women in general , they also think on a completely different level . Men tend to be practicle were as woman appear to think emotionally .

Having said that the levels of male and female thinking in any individual alter dramaticly . I for one tend to think with a fairly masculine brain , that's not to say I'm butch . But if it needs building, I can build it . Never was a doll girl , never was a tonka truck girl, but I could spend hours constructing shelter .

Ofcourse when it comes to female leadership , my mother allways said , if woman ran the world, war would be illegal .
It sounds good to me .

Kismit posted

there was also a study done on both males and females who were unsure about their sex (felt they were a woman trapped in a male body and vice-versa)
it showed a scan of a (normal) female brain and male brain, and the differences were remarkable. but the (*abnormal* scan) males who felt that they were supposed to be born female, had brain scan very similar to a female brain.

it definitely has a lot to do with hormonal factors, which other than the x or y chromosome, makes us what we are today, be it male or female, and somewhat to a lesser extent is environmental.. (dont know if you remember the story about english parents who werent happy with having a boy child, so they had his penis removed and treated him like a girl, but he still knew something was amiss, and didnt feel like a girl at all)

i dont think its necessarily gender specific the way ppl act, could be natural selection or a mutation in the gene that leads ppl. you could ask the same about the way a dog, cat or even monkey acts.... you get 'butch' females who know the ins and outs of machinery and tools, and then you get males who seem very femine

Chicks rule. But they don't need to rule the world, I need to rule the world and all the chicks can serve me at will.

Moe is lesbian housewife trapped in a mans body. This we know. We cook, we clean and we change diapers. We go shopping and buy wholesome vegetables Moe makes his kids eat brocolli !! Moe pushes a stroller around the mall !!
Mrs. Moe is currently gone untill next friday. She has gone far far away for temporary active duty. She is groovy. She wears combat boots.
Now Moe is left all alone with 3 kids. but this is only practice for what is in store. Soon Moe will be alone for six months out of every year in 2 month cycles.

Monkeys I giggle.
biological beaver

I love doggies. Ever watch OCC?

I don't mind burning and laughing but I refuse to beat a dog. I may have to take over pre-emptively to prevent such a world from coming to be. All animal abusers will then wear their own intestines around their necks..
..And Falco will giggle and laugh.

Unless you were using slang I'm not familiar with. Then it's cool..

Tigger said

Whats the difference between if men "run" the world or women "run" the world?

I would very much like for both of us to maintain 'our' world.

Lets rid of these divisions, they do nothing but hinder our understanding of everything!!

This world, our future, our past, our endeavers are exactly that................OURS!

There should be no difference of objective in the commonality sense.

I don't think there'd be much difference in the world if women "ran" it, sad to say. Politics itself requires a certain mindset if you're going to be involved in it. It doesn't matter if you're male or female, you'll end up doing the same things..
Look at Hillary Clinton, Margaret Thatcher or Indira Gandhi. You'd be hard-pressed to find a difference between their politics and the traditional "Male" definition of it..

Hi, I've looked at these areas as I am studying, and this is what I think.

The fact that females do better isn't really a big deal. Males actually get more degree and higher degrees than females.

But if you look at inequality. The biggest correlation with education is class, not gender.

And though burture may be a big factor, the fact that animals have clear segregated roles shows that gender differences are also largely biologically motivated, though culture does have a alrge affect too.

I really dont think we need "leaders" like politicians.

Those who lead by example are better leaders than a guy who half the country hates and the other half voted for because they didnt like the other guy.

Prime Ministers and Presidents are a bad idea, they have way to much power.

I think women can lead the country better than men can, because men are more violent and are more likely to invade other countries for reasons noone really comprehends.

Wasnt there that guy who commited suicide recently who was born a male but raised a girl as an experiment?

Or something..

I think you have little clue! I cite the example of Margret Thatcher, the UK's first, only and worst ever prime minister..... you know, the one that pressured argentina into a conflict, ordered the sinking of the belgrano dispite the fact she was told it was heading OUT of the conflict zone.... etc....

Women can be just as bad as men when it comes to politics, gender makes NO diffrence in that area!

Tigger said

Dudes, I must have only known some really big bitches in my life (as far as chicks go) because the thought of women running America by themselves scares the T-total crap out of me.

I used to think that all differences between men and women were down to nurture, and that other than the obvious sexual/anatomical differences, we were the same.

Then I met my boyfriend and realized how off the mark I was, lol.

I think it's most likely a combination of nature and nurture. I've also read about those studies in which girl children tend to pick "girl" toys and boy children tend to pick "boy" toys. There does seem to be an inherent tendency for girls to want to role-play and work with others while playing, and for boys to tend to play "war", etc. I read one study in which girls and boys were put together in a room, and the only toys available were little Matchbox-type cars and trucks, along with some little houses (but no dolls). The boys did their usual drive & crash into each other's cars and the houses sort of thing, whereas the girls pretended that their were people in the cars and had them talk to and interact with each other, drive "home" to one of the little houses and talk to their families, etc. Sort of the reverse of that little boy using the Barbie doll as a gun!

As for homosexuality and transgender/intersexed issues, I do think that homosexuality is at least partly determined by biology and genetics. What really pisses me off is this -- who CARES which it is, or if its both, either way there's just no excuse for going around gay-bashing, telling gay people they're damned to hell, and all that crap. I mean, we're each entitled to our own opinion, of course, but it's really no one's business who anyone else is having sex with, so long as they're having sex with a consenting adult(s).

Transgendered/intersexed individuals can become that way through a variety of factors, many of which do involve being exposed to incorrect levels of testosterone and other hormones in the womb. True hermaphrodites are very rare, although there are a number of syndromes which mimic it, such as androgen insensitivity syndrome (here's a link to a website on that: Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome)
There are plenty of others as well, though I'm by no means familiar with them all -- I just watch a lot of Discovery Channel and Learning Channel programs.

Here are a couple of websites on being intersexed:
Intersex Society of North America
UK Intersex Society

That may have gone somewhat off-topic, sorry if so. I just find it a very interesting topic, although rather sad.

Oh, and as for that man who recently killed himself: he was actually not born intersexed, his condition resulted from a botched circumcision, in which they essentially cauterized his poor little penis right off! He had a twin brother, and as you can imagine the parents didn't have his circumcision done at that same hospital; the baby who eventually grew up to kill himself just had the extremely poor luck to have gone in first. His name was David Reimer, and he eventually grew up, became as male as possible, married, had (step)kids, and wrote a book called As Nature Made Him, about what happened to him.

His parents tried to raise him as a girl, on the advice of doctors, which was a mistake. A "doctor" called John (?) Money was involved, I don't remember if he was a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, or both, but he essentially abused those kids in order to serve his pet theory, which was that identifying as male or female was all down to how you were raised, and that kids could be trained either way.

I'll stop going on about it; here's a link for those who are interested: David Reimer

It was started by Desert Tribesmen in the Holy Land and adopted by the Jews. It actually made a lot of sense. It was started as a hygienic measure. Anyone who's been to the beach knows that sand gets into everything..
If you live your entire life in a tent in the desert then, well...
Sand thats trapped between the foreskin and the head is a severe irritant and can lead to infection..
There isn't as much need for that nowadays, but on the whole circumcision is more sanitary than not..

Moonbaby,

Thanks for the "thumbs up", lol! It really does drive me crazy that some people believe they have the right to tell everyone who to have sex with -- and not only that, they believe that they know what God feels about the situation!! Idiots.

In this day and age, with there not being a whole lot of sanitation problems, I would have to choose sensation. Plus, my husband is already set on that decision.

You loose 35% of feeling according to my husbands doctor.