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FLY SPITTA
Ok I was on the internet last night in a chat room. laugh.gif Yeah I know don't stop reading yet it was a music chat room. OK as you all know by now I am totally into rap music! Some guy made a comment about rap I simply dissagreed with that's it. And I just called him dumb because he was accting like it I can like whatever music I want toright. So he said "we will see how dumb I am when 22minutes your computer will ....then he said well u will see." So he left chat room and never came back.

I was just wondering can someone who wants to reall mess up a computer like that in chat. And he didn't even know my e-mail so could he really mess my computer with just a chat room username?

I was just curious thanks.
TheOracle
Yes, he can do that D12. He can get a hold of your ip address and then if he has enough no-how he can mess with you big time.
Make sure you get youself a really good firewall and be very careful who you argue with in chat rooms. Most likely though he was only trying to scare you, nect time you might not be so lucky.
FLY SPITTA
Dand that sucks! People like that should be fined if they get caugh It really wasn't my fault abou the arguement and I hate people who throw their power around like that. But the good thing is in the chat room you can report the username so I guss that would be the best thing to do next time. thumbsup.gif
babyforrest
That happened to me a few years ago in Yahoo! chat. This guy was talking to me with voice chat, and he had a really creepy voice. He started to say some strange things to me so I left. He then PMs me and says that I was rude for leaving and he was going to distroy my computer. He didn't. I unplugged the internet for about 2 days. I always wondered what he could have done to me. So, what could he have done and how could he do it? Did unplugging the internet stop him in any way?
Blood Angel
Dependant on the chat client, and on the person making the threat. 8 times out of 10 the person knows nothing, and is just trying to intimidate. 1 time out of ten, (dependent on chat client) the person may have a script, which can sniff out your i.p. However, nothing can come of this venture unless they can circumvent XP firewall (xps latent invisible firewall) and your own firewall. Often people who own scripts can't do this (these people are called script kiddys), the worst they can do is ping(sending multiple packets to your i.p address resetting the connection) you offline. the other 1 out of ten, is the real deal. Real Deals don't bother themselves with people who call them dumb, theres no challenge in frightening someone in a chatroom. Sometimes you may come across a real deal that may be a little more evil, however the person would just get bored, again theres no challenge. Real deals don't involve themselves with scripts, they see them as just toys that do the job for you. Their method of gaining i.ps is directly from the chat server (which can take a while, and if you go offline from the client, he can't find you).

Vunerable Chat clients:

IRC Based.
MSN clients. (only if the person has a script)
Yahoo (only if the person has a script)

To my knowledge i'm not sure on lycos clients, AOL, or GCN. However i would suspect due to the high amount of users that poured off of msn, that someone out there has managed to script these clients.

Advice:

Get a firewall. NOT black ice firewall. Norton is good, along with zone alarm pro. Get anti virus software even if its a free one (i recommend norton). Don't panic, if someone does this again, like i said most of the time they are bullsh*tting.
FLY SPITTA
That sucks people on the internet who know to much are A holes. I seen that guy in chat again! I left LET ME CATCH HIM ON THE STREETS HE'S CRUSIN' FOR A BRUSIN' laugh.gif
fulltimekiller
My cousin had personal experience like this.It actually possible for them to do it .i know a program that can hack MSN and get there email password.(im still puzzled on how they work) (i found out the hacker that hacked my cousin(i also know his address phone number etc im might prank him and impersonate as cop tongue.gif ) and i dunno if my cuz should press charges on the hacker my cuz does have evidence the chat was logged and he kept on saying hahaha i hacked you etc and when the cops seize his computer they can find out laugh.gif MUAHAHAHA)
Anyway hacker can do lots of $#!+ to you in chat like ICQ i stumbled to a site on google search that has lots of hack for ICQ.
TO protect yourself:
*Get a good firewall anti virus etc (as mentioned by other members)(firewall might not work cause you set the firewall to allow the chat and hacker can take advantage of it to hack your computer cause they know you allowing the chat)Theres your exploit that they can get in
*Try and get a dynamic ip address(changing IP)(cause your ip change and when the ip change the hacker can't hack you anymore)
*limited temptation to flame someone
*Common sense
IF you do get threatened disconnect your internet then reconnect if you have a dynamic ip contact the internet company to see if you can change your ip if you have a static ip(non-changing ip) and get a new username for your chat

KEEP IN MIND IT TAKES MINUTES FOR THEM TO HACK YOUY COMPUTER THRU THESE CHAT SYSTEM. Even if you do have fire wall because YOU set the firewall to allow these chat to go thru the hacker can take advantage of it to get in your computer(so firewall is probably useless in this situation)
SO D12 that person is just bluffing that threatend you if he was serious he would of done it by now.
FLY SPITTA
QUOTE (fulltimekiller @ Jun 19 2004, 05:56 AM)
My cousin had personal experience like this.It actually possible for them to do it .i know a program that can hack MSN and get there email password.(im still puzzled on how they work) (i found out the hacker that hacked my cousin(i also know his address phone number etc im might prank him and impersonate as cop tongue.gif ) and i dunno if my cuz should press charges on the hacker my cuz does have evidence the chat was logged and he kept on saying hahaha i hacked you etc and when the cops seize his computer they can find out laugh.gif MUAHAHAHA)
Anyway hacker can do lots of $#!+ to you in chat like ICQ i stumbled to a site on google search that has lots of hack for ICQ.
TO protect yourself:
*Get a good firewall anti virus etc (as mentioned by other members)(firewall might not work cause you set the firewall to allow the chat and hacker can take advantage of it to hack your computer cause they know you allowing the chat)Theres your exploit that they can get in
*Try and get a dynamic ip address(changing IP)(cause your ip change and when the ip change the hacker can't hack you anymore)
*limited temptation to flame someone
*Common sense
IF you do get threatened disconnect your internet then reconnect if you have a dynamic ip contact the internet company to see if you can change your ip if you have a static ip(non-changing ip) and get a new username for your chat

KEEP IN MIND IT TAKES MINUTES FOR THEM TO HACK YOUY COMPUTER THRU THESE CHAT SYSTEM. Even if you do have fire wall because YOU set the firewall to allow these chat to go thru the hacker can take advantage of it to get in your computer(so firewall is probably useless in this situation)
SO D12 that person is just bluffing that threatend you if he was serious he would of done it by now.

Hey thanks a lot. Yeah I was a little worried about that guy if I ever fond out who wa doing that I would get them busted for it! People like that should not be doing things like that to other people it's just wrong. Computers and stuff like that are being used for all the wrong things now they are hardly used for imformation and fun anymore it's all stupid crap that people use them for these days.

And chat sure is not the same like it use to be all perveted people but I'm not going to get into that we all know what I mean. Thanks a lot for the help you guys. thumbsup.gif
doomgirl
I know someone who actually does that for fun, he goes looking for someone on the net who wants to play and they try and trash each others computers via the net, he always wins tho
FLY SPITTA
Why would anyone play that it sounds like a stupid "game" to me! wacko.gif
The Raven
QUOTE (TheOracle @ Jun 18 2004, 07:38 PM)
Yes, he can do that D12. He can get a hold of your ip address and then if he has enough no-how he can mess with you big time.
Make sure you get youself a really good firewall and be very careful who you argue with in chat rooms. Most likely though he was only trying to scare you, nect time you might not be so lucky.

True, very true, but most of these people are bullshiters. I would not be very worried at all, I get threats like that all the time yet I know that I know how to damage them more than these little noobs can, so I feel pretty safe. The people that actually do try and attack you have very badly written viruses. I willingly accepted one once and it was not even a fully complete virus. Shows you how much they know cool.gif

But anyways, pickup a firewall like Sygate Personal (www.download.com), install it, and if he gives you a certain time of an attack, look at the built in graph in Sygate and it will tell you if you are being attacked. You can then do a whois on the IP (backtrace) and find out information on him, his ISP, state, city, ETC.

Fulltimekiller, Im not exactly sure how the password cracker works, but if you have your password automatically written in when you go to that site (saved) and your username, both of them are stored in a cookie which can be easily compromised. Also yes you will usually allow the chat program, but there are ways to get around it, just turn program control off and block most incoming traffic. Try and make sure all your common ports are closed and blocked (not visible with a port scan) and that you have some sort of backup plan if your firewall is compromised.

To get to BabyForesst's post, if he was a hardcore hacker he could have done whatever he wanted (if you have NO security what so ever) but would probably send some crappy trojan to freak you out. Unplugging the internet will stop the hacker from entering your computer during the time the internet is unplugged, no matter if they are the best hacker in the world (Saying you don't have a network connection directly to your computer). Unplugging though, won't stop an already infected computer from spreading the virus about, even to other computers (if you have a network). It will stop every single access attempt, all malicious software (Like trojans where the hackers computer is communicating with it) and pretty much everything else. If you are getting attacked and can't stop it, unplugging your internet is the thing to do.

I will leave off with telling you the majority of hackers in chatrooms (You were on AIM Im guessing ;-)) can't do anything at all, and if they do get something, it's premade and they don't know how to use it and probably damage themselves.
FLY SPITTA
I was in the hip hop chat again and the way that guy talks now is like he don't know what the heck he's talking about! I sen him in chat I was jus t listening becuase I wanted to see how he talks in chat he seems so retarded! So real quick I flooded the chat room and left. laugh.gif He was getting so pissed I had to get him back becuause that guy is such a a$$.
jenk
I hate hackers. I hate them as much as I hate theives (and I dislike theives alot). Two months ago some (No insult known to man will express the feeling I have) hit my computer with some virus. I was playing a game and was in 1st place and then my nortan anti virus told me I had a virus called a TRojan horse (Never heard of it (the virus not the legend)) and nortans also told me it could not handle it. So now I have this $%&%^#&@$$&^@#%^ virus which slows my computer down and makes pop ups apear every 2 seconds (I'm not on that computer right now). My moms real low on money right now so she can't go get it fixed right now. Do these people know what damage they cause? Do they now that I want to find them and (this portion of this post has been removed due to voilen content). Ugh I hate hackers
BurnSide
Do you have windows XP?
If so that can be fixed. Sounds like something was just planted on your computer. You can restore your computer to a time before the virus hit, therefore deleting it.
jenk
I'm not very computer savy could you tell me how?
BurnSide
Well as far as i know you can only do it with windows XP, which is how i asked. If you go into your control panel, adn then check system or something like that, there's eventually an option you can find called 'System Restore'. With this feature you can choose a 'Restore Point' from a past date in your computers history. These restore points are automatically generated about twice or three times a week.
So say your computer was attacked on the 1st Febuary 2004, choose a restore point around the 25th January 2004, and your computer will be completely restored to that point. Every file that is new since then will be erased, so backup any files you need to keep before doing the restore.
jenk
I will try that out (I'm not on the infected computer and I don't know if it's xp or at home, so I don't know if it will work). It's a pain that I will lose those files since then sad.gif . Thnx for the info Burnside! thumbsup.gif

-I like your avatar burnside but I have to say I think you over did the animation-
BurnSide
You mean, you think Barman overdid the animation. original.gif
You think so? You prefered it when there was just the flame?

Hrrrmmm....
jenk
Well as always your avatar looks cool. I like how the flame flickers but the glow on the man is just a little to much. Perhaps it would look better if the flicker did not reach the man. It's your avatar so you can do what you want with it thats just my thought on the change thats all.
BurnSide
Noted! Thank you Jenk. Good luck with your computer. Send me a PM later if you need more help. I'm heading home now so i'll know exactly where to find the restore and how to use it.
Cheers!
fulltimekiller
QUOTE
Fulltimekiller, Im not exactly sure how the password cracker works, but if you have your password automatically written in when you go to that site (saved) and your username, both of them are stored in a cookie which can be easily compromised. Also yes you will usually allow the chat program, but there are ways to get around it, just turn program control off and block most incoming traffic. Try and make sure all your common ports are closed and blocked (not visible with a port scan) and that you have some sort of backup plan if your firewall is compromised.


Its actually not me that got hit it was my cousin.I have to admit my security on my computer is quite crappy.
But anyway
With that virus if you don't mind doing it give it a restart reformat it.
FLY SPITTA
BurnSide you sure do love that avatar don't you??? cool.gif You talk about it in every topic. grin2.gif
BurnSide
hahah jenk started it!

and yes. grin2.gif
FLY SPITTA
That's alright 'cause that is one heck of a avatar! thumbsup.gif Love the flame.
Janiel
QUOTE (BurnSide @ Jun 20 2004, 04:33 PM)
You mean, you think Barman overdid the animation. original.gif
You think so? You prefered it when there was just the flame?

Hrrrmmm....

so did i tongue.gif
death
i like your avatar too the flame is a nice touch.....
FLY SPITTA
Yeah but my avtar will always be the best. grin2.gif
BurnSide
Thank yee thank yee all!!
Novo
QUOTE (jenk @ Jun 21 2004, 03:01 AM)
I hate hackers. I hate them as much as I hate theives (and I dislike theives alot). Two months ago some (No insult known to man will express the feeling I have) hit my computer with some virus. I was playing a game and was in 1st place and then my nortan anti virus told me I had a virus called a TRojan horse (Never heard of it (the virus not the legend)) and nortans also told me it could not handle it. So now I have this $%&%^#&@$$&^@#%^ virus which slows my computer down and makes pop ups apear every 2 seconds (I'm not on that computer right now). My moms real low on money right now so she can't go get it fixed right now. Do these people know what damage they cause? Do they now that I want to find them and (this portion of this post has been removed due to voilen content). Ugh I hate hackers

a couple of corrections jenk.
1:A trojan horse (trojan) is not a specific virus but rather a genre named after the greek legend because it can go in as another file and remain completely disguised, I could right now send someone a copy of Paint wich I had infected with subseven
(the most common and widely used trojan)and they would never know it, they could use the paint program as normal and the backdoor would be setup and melted into there system without there ever knowing, I could have a alert send to my email Mirc instant messenger icq or ftp server and start up my server editor and make there disk drive open and close, delete required system files reboot there computer, anything at my very whim I could even start up a dialogue with the individual if I wanted
Theres countless other trojans some much harder if impossible to detect if custom made by a certain person then norton may never detect it, norton is a VERY shitty anti virus program, because it is so easy to disable and so widely use.
of course im not a hacker whistling2.gif so I wouldnt know.
The Raven
QUOTE (Student&Alive @ Jun 21 2004, 06:41 PM)
QUOTE (jenk @ Jun 21 2004, 03:01 AM)
I hate hackers.  I hate them as much as I hate theives (and I dislike theives alot).  Two months ago some (No insult known to man will express the feeling I have) hit my computer with some virus.  I was playing a game and was in 1st place and then my nortan anti virus told me I had a virus called a TRojan horse (Never heard of it (the virus not the legend)) and nortans also told me it could not handle it.  So now I have this $%&%^#&@$$&^@#%^ virus which slows my computer down and makes pop ups apear every 2 seconds (I'm not on that computer right now).  My moms real low on money right now so she can't go get it fixed right now.  Do these people know what damage they cause?  Do they now that I want to find them and (this portion of this post has been removed due to voilen content).  Ugh I hate hackers

a couple of corrections jenk.
1:A trojan horse (trojan) is not a specific virus but rather a genre named after the greek legend because it can go in as another file and remain completely disguised, I could right now send someone a copy of Paint wich I had infected with subseven
(the most common and widely used trojan)and they would never know it, they could use the paint program as normal and the backdoor would be setup and melted into there system without there ever knowing, I could have a alert send to my email Mirc instant messenger icq or ftp server and start up my server editor and make there disk drive open and close, delete required system files reboot there computer, anything at my very whim I could even start up a dialogue with the individual if I wanted
Theres countless other trojans some much harder if impossible to detect if custom made by a certain person then norton may never detect it, norton is a VERY shitty anti virus program, because it is so easy to disable and so widely use.
of course im not a hacker whistling2.gif so I wouldnt know.

Hehe, of course your not. SubSeven is crap anyway, trust me. You will have to learn to write your own malicious appz to even think about calling yourself a hacker. I know what you're going through Student&Alive tongue.gif
Novo
Im not a lamer thank you, although upon rereading my post its sort of comes of as if I actully use subseven, In truth I rarely hack unless someone in a ym chat pisses me off, and the only way to really do that is try to boot me, then you get a nice new paperweight the size and weight of your Hardrive wink2.gif
FLY SPITTA
Hey student I think I will just stay away from you not because you "could" be a hacker, but because you "are" crazy. *sig* laugh.gif lol
death
yeh i like your avatar too D12! thumbsup.gif
FLY SPITTA
Thanks!! grin2.gif
MoLeTecH
I know it can be done! but would take a lot of effort and know how!
Unless he can access the chat host server itself!
Which is very difficult, unless he is one of the inside people running the system!
FLY SPITTA
No he was just a regular chat user like me.
Blood Angel
QUOTE (Student&Alive @ Jun 22 2004, 06:48 AM)
Im not a lamer thank you, although upon rereading my post its sort of comes of as if I actully use subseven, In truth I rarely hack unless someone in a ym chat pisses me off, and the only way to really do that is try to boot me, then you get a nice new paperweight the size and weight of your Hardrive wink2.gif

And your talking out yer ass script-kiddie....
The Raven
QUOTE (Student&Alive @ Jun 22 2004, 12:48 AM)
Im not a lamer thank you, although upon rereading my post its sort of comes of as if I actully use subseven, In truth I rarely hack unless someone in a ym chat pisses me off, and the only way to really do that is try to boot me, then you get a nice new paperweight the size and weight of your Hardrive wink2.gif

Sorry, I didn't mean to come across that way. I meant that its...just drop it. I don't 'hack' anyone either, just a few things to scare them. I have no intentions of doing anything more than that...of course the story is different when I get to know a game script. tongue.gif
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