Hi im new here, and i must say that i didnt think people with the same interests as me existed. I find this forum very interesting. Anyway straight to the topic.

    My uncle has these videos at his place that were sent to him from a friend in Greece and my old man borrowed them and watched them with me. The videos were about a man named peter who in front of two others was explaining how the third antichrist is already here. He said that the antichrist will be born in England but wont have no mark on his head, he said in Greek that was bullshit. He said that he will present himself to the earth as a good person but will change once he has everybody in his grasps. Peter said that hes here and proof of that he said was that the tripple six sign is appearing everywhere on barcodes of items sold in which he believes money from these items goes to him. I live in Australia and alot of the telephone numbers for various companies or even pizza delivery places all end with 666. Foxtel our pay TV in Aust ends in 999 which is an upside down 666. When nostradamus spoke of the third antichrist coming  he said he will come in the year 1999 again upside down 666. Peter and his secret team went even deeper into the investigation when they some how got the pin out of a bank machine. Let me explain when you put your card into the machine a pin comes down and hits your card so you can get money out thats why they ask for your pin the pin is the one in the machine. Anyway when they put the pin under a microscope guess what number came up 666. He said that the antichrist already has some of us. Those who dont follow him will suffer because he said that the antichrist is going to bring out a card and there wont be any use of money anymore sounds like he was talking about the smartcard those who dont want the card wont be able to survive. The two other people on the show were there to ask questions when they asked for the A.C's name peter knew the answer but said in Greek for my own safety i will not tell you. A few episodes after peter wasnt on the show because he was hidding apparently someone tried to run him off the road.

   Sounds far fetched hey thats what i thought to until i started seeing all of the 666 signs.

   He also said that the computer was run by him and proved it to. you can do this test by yourself


-LIST ALL THE LETTERS OF THE ALPHABET
-NEXT TO THOSE LETTERS GO DOWN BY SIX
       
        EXAMPLE: A=6, B=12 ,C=18

-AFTER YOU HAVE DONE THIS WRITE COMPUTER DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER. UNDER C PUT THE NUMBER NEXT TO IT AND SO ON UNTIL YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS OF COMPUTER THEN ADD THESE NUMBERS. Any ? write back

   

Mr. X,

 I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Bill Gates is the ANTI-CHRIST!! and here's the proof;

Author: unknown
Suject: Bill Gates as the Antichrist
Eerie news about Bill Gates and Microsoft

Since we're all using Microsoft products here, I thought I'd just let you know these facts...do you know that bill gates' real name is William Henry Gates III? Nowadays, he is known as Bill Gates (III) where III means the order of third.

So what's so eerie about this name?

Ok, if you take all the letters in bill gates III and then convert it into ASCII code (American Standard Code for Info. Interchange) and then add up all the numbers.... You will get 666, which is the number of the beast.

B = 66 I = 73 L = 76 L = 76 G = 71 A = 65 T = 84 E = 69 S = 83 I = 1 I = 1 I = 1 Add these numbers and they equal 666.

Coincidence?

Maybe, but take Windows 95 and do the same procedure and you will get 666, too. And even MS-DOS 6.31 adds up to 666.

Would it be too surprising if Bill Gates was the antichrist? After all, the bible foretells that someone powerful would rise up and lead the world to destruction. And Bill Gates definitely has this kind of power in his hands. More than 80% of computers in the world today run on windows and DOS. (including those at the Pentagon) If all of his products have some kind of small program embedded, like this "hall of tortured souls," that can give him control to set off nuclear arsenals, create havoc in security systems and financial systems all over the world, etc. All from his headquarters.

This isn't too far from reality. Just by using the Internet, Explorer may just allow him to map out what you have on your computer bit by bit each time you log on. Perhaps the end of time is near and this is just a tip of the iceberg?

Quote from the bible "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich andpoor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666." Revelation 13:16-18

This is something you should think about. If the bible, in the book of Revelations, says that without the sign of the beast, one would not be able to buy, sell, do business transactions, etc., then my question to you now is this....

Is the Internet a necessity today for doing business? The Internet also bears the sign. Note that the Internet is often referred to as the World Wide Web, or www. Another way to write W is V/ or VI. W. W. W. VI VI VI 6 6 6


Here is something to ponder on. Isn't everything going towards the Internet? (i.e. buying, selling, business transactions) isn't Microsoft always on the move to have a monopoly when it comes to software technology? And now the Internet? Revelations also says that the mark of the beast will be carved on one's hand and on one's forehead.
If the Internet would indeed be the sign of the beast, aren't we all starting to carry it on our hands and foreheads? The screen is the forehead and the hand uses the mouse. Are things finally starting to fall into place or are we just letting our imagination run?

Remember, the devil came to cheat, steal, and to destroy. So be vigilant about Bill Gates and Microsoft.

"To agree or to not agree with the WWW or the beast," is not the question. What if the WWW is the 666? Or Bill Gates be the beast? What will you do? Cancel subscriptions to the Internet? Resign from Microsoft? Set out a campaign against Bill Gates in the Internet? Shut down all Windows 95 forever? It will not do any good.

Think about all of this and pray. Pray really hard!:P

If the opposite of pro is con, then what is the opposite of progress?


MAGIKMAN
Bwaahahahaha!!!! ::)

Yes magikman what you write could be true but dont forget that the number 666 is occuring in everyday life more now than ever before we are all relying on this one human being who is going to take control of our lives. ;)

 And by the way im not wrong who says your right but ill tell you something we are all in the same boat cheers....! magikman ;)

Baloney,

   You're both wrong, and here's the proof;


Barney the Anti-Christ?
Given: Barney is a CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR
Prove: Barney is satanic


   The Romans had no letter 'U', and used 'V' instead for
   printing, meaning the Roman representation would for
   Barney would be: CVTE PVRPLE DINOSAVR

   CVTE PVRPLE DINOSAVR

   Extracting the Roman numerals, we have:
   CV    V  L  DI    V

   And their decimal equivalents are:
   100 5 5 50 500 1 5

   Adding those numbers produces: 666.

   666 is the number of the Beast.
Proved: BARNEY IS SATAN!  :o ;D

MAGIKMAN

Magikman Bill Gates was cool but barney come on man take this thing serious. When you go out look around you, look at tel numbers look at barcodes on anything you buy this person isnt a beast he is just using a number that us humans made up to represent the antichrist and hes not alone this Peter man is a well respected man in Greece by people like ourselves now he knew something that we dont.    
                  OPEN YOUR EYES...! ::)

  Aha! We've finally hit on the point and you've even confirmed it in your own statement;
"...this person isnt a beast he is just using a number that us humans made up to represent the antichrist."
 It is blatant manipulation of numbers to support someone's hypothesis. Why are my examples any less believable than yours? Because this 'Peter' who lives in Greece has been successful in pulling the wool over people's eyes with his patently ridiculous story? I don't know this guy from Adam, yet I'm suppose to take his word as gospel? Hell, he can't even keep his car on the road. :P Maybe he needs to take a course in defensive driving.

 Let's examine further some of his claims;

I'd like to see the quatrane in which Nostradamus states the coming of the third anti-christ in 1999, and by the way, who were the first two? Seems to me they weren't very successful, why should we fear the third?

The number 666 is showing up more now than ever before? Maybe because hundreds of years ago there were no phones, bar code labels, computers or even adding machines? Duh! ::) Where's proof of his emperical data? Something that proves 666 shows up more than lets say 123? I work at a company who deals with a great deal of vendors and customers, and more phone numbers end in 100 or 200 than 666 or even 999.

The comment about the bank machine is absurd and unsubstantiated. Lets see some physical evidence.

Tales of the anti-christ and his coming have been circulated since the apostle John in 80AD. Its like listening to chicken little about the sky falling.

Do a little historical research. I couldn't be anymore serious about a subject. Don't start crying 'wolf' when you don't even have a complete understanding of the subject. My 'eyes' are open, I find I'm able to keep my car on the road better that way.

MAGIKMAN

P.S. Quite an appropriate e-mail address you have. Is that an indication of your purpose, or how gullable you are to being flim-flamed? Just curious.

For your information magikman Nostradamus wrote

        "In the year 1999 and seven months,
         The Great King of Terror shall come
         from the Sky.He will bring to life
         the King of the Mongols.Before and
         after,Mars rules happily". C10 Q72
             

Look up this site:           www.Escape666.com/kingterror.htm

  Magikman heres your proof dude of Nostradamus writes the "the great king of terror shall come from the sky" The Antichrist is what he meant. 1999 put that upside down 1666.

 The last two Antichrists i believe the first to be Gangis Khan and the other is for certain  Hitler you cant pass by what he did to the Jews. And Gangis Khan with his army on horses killed so many people his descendents spread into Russia and then into Europe where the Barbarians defeated rome, Persia and killed many people. If you need proof ill prove it.

 And the bank machine thing i saw the pin on TV and the two other people who were there did not believe it either but when he put it under the scope there eyes just lit up do you know how small the pin is and if he was to do it himself he would need state of the art equipmenet.

 My hotmail name comes from a radio techno radio station here in Aust back in '92' it was called FLIMFLAM

Mr. X,

   It all comes down again to my point. All these theories and speculations are based on 'interpretations'. How are you able to 'know' what Nostradamus' meant? I've seen other interpretations explaining this as the visit to the US by China's premire to discuss Nuclear Arms talks. China is a nation to fear, he flew to the US and comes from the land of the Mongols. Seems to be closer to the truth than what you claim.

  Yes, alot of people suspected Hitler to be the anti-christ, but Genghis Kahn is a stretch. Either way, both men were defeated. They were conquerors in the same mold as the Romans, Egyptians, etc. A warring force to be dealt with by those they wished to rule.

 The bank machine thing is moot. There are people who believe the metallic strip imbedded in the new US dollars are used to track their movements. Its a form of paranoia that is not defensible.

 Again, I go back to my arguement about there being hundreds of claims of the coming of the anti-christ in the last 2 thousand years. We're still waiting, I'm sure we'll sleep peacefully in the meantime.

Magikman

I hope so to magikman CHEERS... :)

Sorry, but I'm not too familiar with this subject. I discussed Mr-X's topic with a friend and we both came to conclude that if there had been a third antichrist, the apocalypse would've repeated itself three times. Please forgive me if I'm wrong.  :-/

I'm gonna throw my two cents in.  Your theories are definately very intriguing, but we must first figure out whether Christ was actually an agent of good and whether or not there is really such a thing as heaven or hell and the devil.  Now without too much 1st hand evidence to back this up, I am going to relay to you what was told to me by someone I know that worked for NASA in the 70's back engineering alien craft.  After years of working on this he got further up the list in terms of what he was allowed to know and find out.  One such black project was working with 2 different alien races in ways to slow down the greenhouse affect.  While being able to communicate with them (not by talking but through the mind)he was told answers to questions regarding god, relgion, life after death and so on.  Basically from what he was told there is such a thing as what we call God, but 'it' is so different from what we imagined.  There is no such thing as heaven or hell.  When we die we continue on as a form of energy wich has been called 'transcendental'.  the concept of heaven and hell was created as a way to keep people in line and follow the 'word' of god.  To try and keep peace among fellow humans.  Another way this was done was by creating a messiah so that people could learn and follow his examples.  This was christ.  Ever wonder how Mary could have become pregnant without having sex.  She was implanted with an alien/human hybrid.  Hence some of christ's 'magical' powers.  Stories in the bible were written for the intent of keeping the human race in check so to speak.  Of course I doubt they imagined that people would be killing each other over which religion or messiah was correct.  Yes this does sound very far fetched but from the evidence he presented to me it is very convincing.

third?   who were the others, and what is so important about this "anti-christ" figure?
information please.... ???

What Lori pointed out is exactly what I'D like to know myself. If there's one apocalypse, there's one antichrist. In that case, can someone fill me in on who the other two are?

???

LORI, ALA

 I am led to believe that the other two antichrists were Adolf Hitler and Gangis Kahn, not because they were the devil but because they were evil human beings. Why them you might say. Because they killed for power and pleasure they wanted to rule the world. You might be thinking to yourself so did the Romans and other countries like Greece and Egypt back in their day. However when Alexander the Great king of Macedonia and ruler of Greece beat the Persian army people still to this day in the middle east believe that he was the devil and had horns on his head which is just them describing his agressivenes in battle. Now Alexander and others like Ceaser of Rome brought to countries with them knowledge and wisdom that helped many countries. For example Alexander built the ancient library in Alexandria the city he built. In India still till this day they speak of him as a good person and in some remote parts of India still speak some ancient Greek believe it or not. Yes the Greeks,Romans and Egyptians wanted to rule also and they did but they also brought with them knowledge and wisdom that helped these people. These people brought good to other countries but Hitler and Kahn brought missery and death. We all know what Hitler did to the Jews.

 Thats who i think were the last two antichrists Just my opinion.  
       However dont go past Napolean 1.

Although I have no knowledge of anti-christ 1, 2, or 3  I must say if it's judged on merely being evil human beings, it's hard to say. there is so much evil in the world, and there always has been. There is many truly evil people who just aren't in a position like Hitler, for example. Only someone with that much power could do that much destruction. so it's not just the evil, for it has to accompanied with power.

But for the record, Hitler wasn't the most evil man, not even of his own time. in terms of people he either killed, or had killed. Or the terror he's orchestrated over many millions of square miles of territory, nobody compares to Stalin. Not in the last 100 years anyways. Thats a horrifying fact.

These are my two cents

Homer[glow=color,strength,width]

Well you know what they say 'kill one your a murder, kill a million your a conquer'.

magikman,
 
 If your out there magikman please look up this site http://10mbfree.com/z5u/number.html

  This will prove i am not alone.

  The barcode theory 666.

 
            Mr-X

Mr. X,

 If, at any point in time, you care to come out of the dark ages and join the rest of us, you must educate yourself about the wonders of technology. Here are a couple of articles to get you started;

          -----------------
One thing that people like to ask a lot is what the "meaning" is of the little marks to the left and right and smack dab in the middle of the code. On either side is a pair of thin dark bars separated by a thin light bar, and in the middle, there's always the pattern light-dark-light-dark-light. These are not in fact representations of a digit, but are rather merely synchronization marks (sometimes called "guard bars") that help barcode-reading equipment recognize that it is in fact looking at a barcode and help it determine the width of a mark (since barcodes come in different sizes and the distance of the code from the equipment optics can affect the readings as well). On the right-hand-side of a barcode (but not on the left), the digit "6" is represented by something that does bear a resemblence to the synch marks, and this has occasionally led "antichrist hunters" to exclaim that all barcodes contain embedded within them "the number of the beast" (that is, "666").

That claim holds about as much water as saying the word "giggle" has the mark of the beast because it looks like it has three "6"s in it if you turn it upside down (if you draw your "g"s like upside down "6"s).

Here is what George J. Laurer, the inventor of the UPC barcode system, has to say on the matter.

But just to re-fog things back up a bit: While the particular choice for synch marks makes a lot of sense from an engineering standpoint, there's no obvious reason that the particular representation for the digit "6" was chosen, and it is conceivably possible--but arguably extremely unlikely--that someone, some group of people, or even some sinister force (such as one of the devil's minions looking to get a big bonus that month) influenced the standards process so as to make the representation for "6" look as much like the synch marks as possible. But that doesn't change the fact that the synch marks themselves are not in fact representations of actual numerical quantities. Of course, if you care about this for anything more than cocktail party conversation, you should consult with your personal religious authority for the final word on the matter.
          ---------------------
 Just in case this is too complicated for your rather simplistic mind, here's a clearer explanation;


The notion that 666 is found in every UPC barcode comes from a superficial understanding of how digits are encoded...but then, 666 crackpots have never let the facts stand in the way of a good rant.

Each number in a UPC is encoded by a sequence of 1 and 0 represented by a thin line or a space respectively.

The end and center "sixes" are actually delimiter markers, and don't encode the number six at all. The end markers represent "101" and the middle one encodes "01010."

The misunderstanding comes in believing that a number is ALWAYS encoded the same way, i.e. that six is represented by two thin lines, which happens to match the appearance of the delimiters. This is not true. In fact, the two thin lines only encode the binary sequence "101."

But each digit in the UPC proper is encoded by seven bits, while the end delimiters are 3 bits and the middle delimiter is five bits. Thus, they don't encode UPC digits at all, because they have the wrong number of bits.

Further, the encoding for digits is different in the two halves of the code (on the left and right of the middle delimiter). For example, the encoding for six is 1010000 on the right side, and 0101111 on the left. And don't go thinking that the "101" is unique to the encoding of six. Most of the other digits (depending on if they're on the left or right) contain the "101" sequence.
      -----------------------------

 Of course pure reasoning never seems to work with the fanatical and delusional, always preferring to misinterpret their ignorance and gullability as messengers of the truth, so I guess whats the point?

Get your facts straight & then you can distort them as much as you please. - Mark Twain

 
MAGIKMAN

Another point I would like to make-and Im not sure if this has anything to do with barcodes, since I dont know much about barcodes-but in binary language , a 101 is actually a "5". In the 4 bit binary code, which is the most widely used computer language since every computer on the face of the earth recognizes it, the 6 is represented by 0110. The importance of 0110 is, no matter how it is registered, it will always be recognized as a 6 because the computer will see a low, high, high, low signal=0110.

Since all computers see a language:
Decimal =      Binary
0       =      0000
1      =      0001
2      =      0010
3      =      0011      
4      =      0100      
5      =      0101      
6      =      0110
7      =      0111
Characters from 8 to F (hex) varies widely among computer systems. Therefore the 6 would be the best number to use as a reference point.

Homer[glow=color,strength,width]

Magikman,

I must say that your knowledge of this subject is excellent. The reason why i wanted to show you this site was so you know that i didnt just make that peter story up. And also so you know that there are others out there that believe that the next Antichrist is here. I am one that is on the quest for the truth.

        Cheers, magikman :)  Mr-X

  I never inferred that you made the story up and you needn't remind me that there are others who believe the same thing. If there's one thing the world has no shortage of, its people who will subscribe to the most incredibly fantastic stories imaginable.  I've already stated that tales of the coming of the antichrist have been circulated since 80 A.D., just in different forms and with different 'proof', and yet all with the same outcome,nothing happens. Where were you two years ago when millions of people swore that the dawn of the new millennium would bring the advent of the antichrist and the apocalypse? They used practically the same 'proof' as this Peter guy. Browse through some of the Internet newsgroups and search for postings about the antichrist in 1998 & 99 and you'll see what I'm talking about. It seems all this Peter did was steal the basic ideas and spin his own story around it.  Barcoding has been around since the 70's and that's when the 666 theory first appeared. Same with taking the word computer and adding the numbers up, there's nothing new to that. That's why I posted the Bill Gates story and the Barney spoof, I found them the same way. You say you're looking for the truth, then really look for it. Just don't automatically subscribe to some baloney proffered up by every knucklehead out there. You were born with an intellect and the ability to reason, try to make use of those qualities.

MAGIKMAN

P.S.  You also seem to believe that aliens inhabit or at least visit the Earth. What would they do if the antichrist were to come? Would they fly back to their planets in fear, or is there some larger conspiracy here? Do they have some role to play in all this? Or would they become jealous and think 'hey, we were here first, take a hike or we'll fry your backside with our laser guns'?

magikman,

 Some of your questions can be answered and some cant. Judging on all the books that i have read and the sites that i have surfed, i can say that i am a believer in alien contact. Contact when? More so in the past then in the present, beacause there is more evidence to say they existed in the past than there is in the present. Why in the past? And what evidence? Archeological findings all around the world have found statues of beings that look out of this world. From where though? i can honestly say no body knows there are theories out there that sound right and some that sound wrong. Anyways statues from all around the globe have been found. Statues in Iraq from the EL-Obeid civilisation that flourished around 40000 B.C., they found the statues of the mother cult (mother goddess statues) If you look at these statues they look nothing like human beings but look like something else (alien). Other statues that can not be explained are Cycladic staues of Greece, Easter Islands statues, Olmec heads, the Idols of Bolivia the list goes on from Egypt to Japan.

  Ancient texts and Hieroglyphs of many countries also speak of beings that came from the sky. Especially those in Ancient Sumeria, South America and the Dogon people of Mali Africa.(look at have aliens ever visted earth)This is too much proof that aliens have come to Earth and should not be blown off. Others, include buildings of ancient temples that the modern man would have trouble with doing himself Pyramids in Giza and the Americas and many others around the world.

  The list goes on, and on, and on. You also want to know if these aliens are here and are involved in any conspiracies with governments of this world. No body can answer that and my belief stays mutual, but if you think how fast our planet is moving with technology who knows. However many stories claim that when the aliens came from Niabru (tenth planet in our solar system) they found out the earth was already inhabited by other beings. These were not good but bad. (look at Evolution Mysteries) They describe these beings as reptilian like but who knows. They say that they were in battle with these creatures and the good beings from Niabru defeated these Reps and sent them under ground sound like the underground tunnels evryone is talking about. They say this is how hell came to be. These Reps still live underground and they say they will come out some day when its time to take over again. Sounds like a science-fiction novel hey. Look at EVOLUTION and i talk of cave paintings that were found in caves of spain and footprints in Texas Got them from the book Ancient Traces by Mick Baigent. Many Ancient cultures believed in serpents some say they were bad others good. Look up the symbolic meanings of serpents. (I AM IN A RUSH)

  Also i would advice you to read up on Quetzalcoatl the bearded white skinned diety who sailed across the seas to Mexico in a boat that needed no sails or paddles. He gave the people the knowledge of math and calandrical formulae that the Maya used to calculate the DOOMSDAY.

 
  I can honestly say i believe in aliens but that whole Reptile thing, until i see some more proof i dont know what to say.



       Cheers  Mr-X

Mr. X,

  It's only natural that they come from the sky. They were 'gods', were else would you look? Unless of course they happened to worship Neptune or some other 'water' god. Yet, if my memory serves me correctly, all gods were believed to live in the heavens above, no matter the medium they inhabited. Also, being a deity, there's nothing unusual about their appearance either. How could they be viewed as superior if their countenance was similar to the people who worshiped them? People had imaginations back then, too. The more fearful the apparition the better. The past is no different than the present when it comes to all manner of weird interpretations. So many 'experts' speculate on what these objects mean, you need only to read Van Daniken to get a feeling of the absurdity of their claims and their fabrication of them. As an example, there was this interesting revelation just recently;
           -------------------
 The whole "Chariots of the Gods" caper was one of von Daeniken's many career scams. As I understand, he is a Swiss national and had previously been convicted in Germany of operating a string of investment swindles.

For example, he produced photographs of pottery that he claimed had been found in an archaeological dig, claiming the pottery depicted flying saucers and was said to have been dated from Biblical times.

However, investigators from Nova (the PBS science program) found the potter who made the allegedly ancient pots. They confronted von Daeniken with evidence of his fraud. His reply was that his deception was justified because some people would "only believe if they saw physical proof."
             ------------------

It seems Van Daniken's previous employment was that of a hotel manager. Obviously the one basic requirement needed in order to qualify ones self as an expert in the field of determining the origin of 'ancient antiquities'. We are darn lucky to have such an accomplished historian 'uncovering' all these mysteries for us. ::)

There isn't any more 'proof' of alien contact or intervention in the past then there is now. Just a few ambiguous findings that so far have defied a clearly defined explanation. More so because of the lack of any supporting data or credible evidence, not because it's of alien origin.

MAGIKMAN

Whooaahhhh!!!  Slow down boys!!!  Hormones are flying way out of control.  Mr. X, the original I presume, since you are new to this sight I will let you in on a little secret;  Magikman has a come back for , I would say, virtually everything.  He means no harm, and actually opens your mind alittle if you let him, which, take it from me, is creepy, but he is the sort of person, I assume, that looks at things from a technical point of view, logical, methodical;  but if you actually think hard enough you will realize that that is not such a bad thing; probability is reality.   :-*

reese92,

 I totaly agree with you, i think magikman is a very inteligent human being. He puts forward some good arguements which is a good thing because it keeps everyone on their toes.

   P.S. i think magikman might be an alien?????

              JUST KIDDING

                  Mr-X
 
                 
                     

;D
hehehe, I think he's an alian, too.  Maybe he is Albert Einstein, reincarnate????  Whoever he is, he ia very smart.  I guess that's why, as much as I try, I can't dismiss what he says??  He's a doll.  And good for you for not folding when he turned up the heat, which he does all the time.  Smooches. Magikman :-*

The Big Three (as depicted by Nostradamus)
1.Napolean Bonepart
An Emperor will be born near Italy,
Who will cost the empire dearly.
The Great Empire will soon be exchanged for a small place,
which will soon begin to grow.
A small place of tiny area in the middle which
He will come to lay down his scepter.
The tiny place refers to The isle of Elba where Napoleon was exhiled to.

2. Hitler
Near the Rhine from the Austrian mountains
Will be born a great man of the people, come too late.
A man who will defend Poland and Hungary
And whose fate will never be certain
Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers,
The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hister.

3.Yet to be seen
In the year 1999 and seven months
From the sky will come the great King of Terror...

All these are interpretations of Nostradamus's screwy little poems, so Magikman can interpret them to be whatever the flip he wants. Okay? Happy now mr. skeptic? Huh??!?!?!

This whole thread has shown me that I am not as crazy as I thought myself to be.....


BTW theres a 666 in my sig.....ooooh better run.......

You Snooze - You lose....

Give old Nostradamus a break. He's peering many years into the future and I'm sure things could seem a little sketchy. Hey, he managed to get the rest right, right?

Am I right in concluding that the more commonplace occurrence of 666 is US based?

Can't say I've noticed it in the UK for instance.

Following on from joc's conclusion that the antichrist equates to modern man, could it be that the US is the antichrist? From the more recent aggressive stance on Iraq, Afghanistan etc, there are certainly those who feel that the US are a current danger to world peace and could ultimately lead us to Armaggedon.

As far as I am concerned if there ever was a such thing as an anti-messiah, Hitler was definitely one of them and maybe the only one so far. Think about it, Hitler has really been the only person that was ever really capable of being a threat to the entire human race. No other historical figure ever had that much power before him. Not even Ghengis Khan was a threat to the entire human race, in fact most of the world had no idea he even exsisted at the time. If there was an a-c (anti-christ), before Hitler, they were killed or stopped before they really did anything. Honestly, if you consider Hitler to have been an a-c, then wouldn't you say Stalin was one as well. Surely a man that held the whole world in fear with his nuclear arms and committed mass murder on a huge scale would qualify would he not?

I think it an exaggeration to call Hitler a threat to the whole human race.

Yes, he was a powerful figure. But so was Napoleon in his day; and Stalin. So is Bush today, when you think about it.

And what does antichrist actually mean? Presumably the opposite of Christ - as evil as Christ was good.

That is exactly my point. How can you really consider someone to be an anti-christ when there are really just so many people that would really qualify for it. As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as someone being inherently good or evil. Yes there have been people who committed horrible acts of violence, yes there are many people alive right now who do the same. Are they all anti-christs? What exactly qualifies someone to be an anti-christ anyway?

Actually by Biblical definition the Anti-Christ is a man that makes peace with most of the world beforre being Assassinated the rising again but is now a human manifestation of Satan.

So therefore the AC cannot be humanity or the US. All of this takes place over a period of 7 years so that removes Stalin, Hitler, and Napoleon. Or anyone else for that matter.

A little while ago I got this booklet through the mail and it was about the prophecies in the Book of Revelation. I wish I still have the damn book! Anyway, I don't know why I was targeted to be mailed this thing but inside were some startling intrepertations of the prophecies in the Book of Revelations!

It claims that the Pope is the Anti-Christ!

If you take the Pope's title in Latin and converted it to Roman numerics and add all the numbers together, you get 666!!!!!!

It said a whole slew of things which make up very convincing argument: The Whore of Babylon represented a rich, corrupted church, the papacy blaspheme against God because the pope supposedly do things only GOd has the authority to do, like moving the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, a day normally used by those who worship pagan deities, etc. etc. etc.

I have to look the in web to do some research on this!

You seem to be looking to take the title for "most locked threads".

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Yikes! I found this on the net which is almost identical to that booklet! I am SCARED reading this!!!! It is too spooky!!!!!!!

Interpretation of verses 1-10 of the vision:
Chapter 13 explains in a greater detail two organizations, or systems, that Satan will especially use in his final attempt to destroy God's remnant and thus frustrate His eternal purpose.

As John stood on the beach of the island of Patmos, he saw a startling sight. Rising up before him out of the sea came a beast with seven heads and ten horns. The beast had the body of a leopard, the feet of a bear, and the mouth of a lion. These symbols are based on Daniel 7, which depicted the future in terms of four great powers that were to dominate the history. In his vision Daniel saw first a lion (symbolizing Babylon), then a leopard (Greece) and finally a "dreadful and terrible beast (Rome). According to his vision, the fourth empire, Rome would come to be dominated in its final stage by a "little horn," a terrible power that would persecute God's people for "a time, two times, and a half time".

John's prophecy is nearly identical with the description of the little horn in Daniel 7, and it unquestionably points to the time when the apostate papal church system of the Middle Ages began to dominate the state. Paul, looking forward to the time when this "falling away" from the truth would arise, referred to this power as the "man of sin" the "mystery of iniquity" ( see Daniel 7:8, 25; 8:23-25; 11:36; 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4).

The Book of Revelation elsewhere shows that there are many sincere individuals in the Roman Catholic organization (see Revelation 14:7; 18:4). God does not condemn such ones. Rather, it is the system to which God objects - the mingling of church and state.
Notice how these verses describe four phases though which the leopardlike beast must go. First, it would emerge from the sea (a symbol of heavily populated areas - see Revelation 17:1, 15 cf Daniel 7:3) and receive from the dragon Satan, (1) his power, (2) his seat, or throne, and (3) great authority (verse 2).

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Second, it would rule for forty-two prophetic months, or 1260 years, a period that began, as the (verses 2, 5). During this 1260 years, the beast would blaspheme God; His name, or character; His tabernacle, or temple, in heaven; and those who "dwell in heaven." Just as both Daniel and John predicted, the papal church-state system effectively "cast down the truth" of Jesus continual intercession for His people by focusing the attention of the people on human priests and their mediation (see Daniel 8:11,12; 11:31). It exalted man, sinful man, in the place of Jesus.

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Third, after forty-two months, one of its heads would receive a "deadly wound." In 1798, exactly 1260 years after the pope became free to exercise his supremacy over the state, the French general Berthier brought to a climax the blow that the reformation had given to the Papacy, by entering Rome and taking the pope captive. As John so clearly prophesied, "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity."

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Deadly Wound Healed

Fourth, according to verses 3 and 4, the beast will be resurrected shortly before Jesus' second coming (cf Revelation 17:12-14). For a short period it will repeat its past history by prostituting itself to the kings of the earth and persecuting God's people. Then those who have accepted the ministry of Jesus for them in the heavenly sanctuary will escape its bewitching influence (see verses 15,16).

Return to Rev.13:3



Interpretation of verses 11-18 of the vision:
Following his vision of the beast from the sea, John saw another animal, this one "coming up out of the earth" Later passages in the Book of Revelation describe this beast as a "false prophet," a highly successful impostor (see Revelation 16:13, 14; 19:20). At least four points identify this beast.

1. Time of rise. The beast from the earth must arise at the end of the 1260-year rule of the beast from the sea (verse 12). In addition, in its final dragon like stage it is contemporary with the resurrected phase of the sea beast (verse 14). Thus, it must begin about 1798 and rule until Jesus' second coming (see Revelation 19:20)

2. Place of rise. The first beast of Revelation 13 and all the beasts mentioned in Daniel 7 arose from the "sea", which according to Revelation 17:15, represents "peoples" and "nations". In obvious contrast, the second beast mentioned in Revelation 13 comes up out of the earth - a term used in chapter 12 to indicate a sparsely populated, wilderness region, (verse 11; cf Revelation 12:16). The original Greek word used in verse 11 and translated "coming up" indicates that John saw this power springing up like a plant.

Only one nation, or power, fits these first two specifications; the United States of America. It alone, of all the major powers, emerged in the late 1700's in a wilderness area.

3. Influence. The animal from the earth exercises a world wide influence. The whole world follows its example (see verses 12, 16, 17). Again the specifications fit the United States.

4. Apparent nature. Throughout the Book of Revelation the figure of the a lamb represents Jesus Christ. The lamb is an innocent, peaceful animal - a sharp contrast to the beasts that represent the powers used by Satan. The animal from the earth, strangely, has two horns like a lamb" - it appears on first sight to be lamblike, innocent, even Christian in appearance. Those who founded the United States based the nation's Constitution on two great principles, civil and religious liberty. These two principles are inseparably connected with the republican form of government, which allows the people to rule through their chosen representatives, and the Protestant understanding of the principles of religious liberty.

According to John's prophecy, the United States is to play a central role in Satan's final attempt to destroy God's people and so thwart His eternal purpose. To do this it must undergo a change, a remarkable change. Notice what happens to the United States:

1. It will speak as a dragon (verse 11). A country "speaks," or expresses itself, through legislative processes. This prophecy predicts that America will enact some law which will support the resurrected first beast, the Papacy, and in so doing it will manifest the very spirit of Satan, the dragon.

2. Through actual persecution it will require all men in some manner to worship or pay homage to the Roman Catholic church-state (verse 12; cf verses 2, 5).

3. It will deceive the inhabitants of the earth through miracles, as it tries to get them to make an "image to the beast" (verses 13, 14; cf Revelation 16: 13, 14; Matthew 24:24; 1 Timothy 4:1). Thus, America will become the focal point of a great counterfeit religious revival in which spiritualism is to play a prominent role.

4. It will create an image of the beast (verse 15). Two powers combined to form the original beast; the republic of Rome and the apostate early Christian church. The first beast arose as a union of church and state. In like manner, when the religious bodies of America join forces to secure the government support to enforce their beliefs, the republic of the United Sates will thereby create an "image" of the original beast.

5. It will create this image through legislation, causing all men to worship the beast through homage to its religious teachings (verses 15). ultimately this oppressive legislation will involve a death penalty for dissenters.

6. It will use economic pressures to force men to identify themselves with the "mark" of the beast, either by their actions ("in their hand") or by actual mental assent ("in their foreheads').

The Book of Revelation presents several points that identify this important mark and its nature. First, it will involve worship. Those who receive it worship the beast (verse 8; cf Revelation 14:9). Second, it is something upon which nearly all professed Christians, Catholics and Protestants alike, will agree. Third, those who receive it are contrasted in Revelation 14:9-12 with those who keep the commandments of God. Thus, the mark involves an attempt to disregard God's law.

Long ago the prophet Daniel declared that a "little horn" (the same power as the beast from the sea described in Revelation 13:1-10) would "think to change times and laws" ( Daniel 7:25). In particular the apostate Roman Papacy has "thought" to change the fourth commandment of god's law by substituting worship on the first day of the week, Sunday, for God's appointed day of worship, the seventh-day Sabbath. Moreover it presents this change as a mark of its ecclesiastical authority.

Numerous Catholic catechisms recognize this fact. For instance, Peter Geiermann's , The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine ( 1957 ed)) says,

"Question: Which is the Sabbath day?

"Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

"Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

"Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."

The only religion that leads to God is that which comes from God. He alone is the source of truth and light and righteousness. That religion which springs forth from the mind of fallen men is sin. It is the very essence of man of sin to place himself above God, to exalt the creature over the Creator, to attempt to "improve" the law of self-sacrificing love that represents the character of God. And so the mark of the beast is a creation of man - the man of sin. When Sunday observance is enforced by law, then the issues will be clearly drawn between the religion of God and that which comes from man. Only then, with the issues clearly drawn, will Sunday observance become the mark of the beast. Those who then accept this mark will also accept the "name," or character, of the beast and the "number of the man." This number, 666, is eminently man's number. Six falls short of seven, the number of completeness and perfection. While the seventh-day Sabbath is God's own sign of His completed work, the number six represents that which falls short.

Only those who accept God's mark, the Sabbath - the sign of His authority as Creator and rightful Sovereign of earth - and who trust fully in the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ will escape the great delusion connected with the mark of the beast.

We are going to hell!!!!

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