As you probably know, Silent Hill 4 was orignally created as an independant game, but to try and influence more people to buy it, in the last few months they began to transform it into a Silent Hill game. That's why the gameplay is almost completely different, and the storyline is only loosely linked to other games in the series.

I didn't like Silent Hill 4 too much at first, but it has really grown on me. It creates a unique atmosphere and is generally just really fun to play.

Yes i was aware of that. It's quite obvious in the game too since we never really visit Silent Hill at all, just a place within the lake and on the cliffs are are supposed to be a part of Silent Hill. That bothered me, i really don't know how it is a Silent Hill game other than the Walter Sullivan/The Order being in it.

I heard from a "source" that silent hill and alone in the dark are going to make a crossover game, is this true?

I was thinking about it, how would they even merge the games? would the game take place in silet hill? or would it be somewhere else like in sh4, and just have patches, visions, dreams of silent hill. Hmm, questins questions.

I very, VERY much doubt that is true.

For starters, Silent Hill is Konami and Alone in the Dark is Interplay. That right there says no. It would be very stupid thing to do for Konami, it would suck, there's no need for it, and they're working on SH5 which is not a merge.

So infact, i'll go right out and say no, that will never happen.

Thank the lord! because both games are awesome in thier own right, and I think a merge would not work as wll as it did for Marvel vs. capcom. By the way, on a off shoot question, in marvel vs. capcom is it true you can unlock leon as a playable character?

No, that's not true at all. Man where do you hear this stuff?

The weirdest sites. They said that the main characters from contra can be found in ff viii and that in a certain part of ff:vii you actually fight zell. but the unlockable leon sounded believeable, so I tried it. beat the game, but no leon. then I thought, mabye I have to beat it with all the capcom characters. I am about halfway done..

I think you should stop going on this site man. None of it at all sounds true.

Yeah, but they do have free chat and e-mail. plus weird color templaes. black and green. hmm. Anyhoo. when is sh5 coming out, and on what systems can I expect it on?

Unknown. No official information has come my way at all. Don't expect it until late 2007 i would imagine. It'll be next gen, most likely PS3 and X360.

all right thanks for the tip, just in time for when I'm in the military, and games will probably not be allowed lol.

Actually I'm trying SH4 out again, and have to say - I'm enjoying it a lot more. Obviously its not in league with SH1 and 2, but I have changed my original opinion of it. I'm currentley at the Water prison.

First time or second time?

Anyways, check this out. What do you think of this?
Click here

hehe. Told ya! As i said, it definately took me a few attempts to get into, but once you start to get it, it really is a better game just for the story itself. I'm glad you're giving it a go. I have a, in my opinion, pretty good grasp on the story so if you have any questions fire away.



Pretty damned neat! Not sure that i get it exactly though, it's not a game just a thing that includes movie and game footage as well as stills from the movies and games and stuff?

Indeed. Besides the things you mentioned, it'll have a brand-new comic book, the "Dying Inside" comics, an interview with Christophe Gans and some select tracks chosen by Akira Yamaoka.
Looks kinda cool but I would have prefered a full-fledged game

Seems like a mix of the making off DVD and the book of lost memories. Which is pretty sweet. Still not worth me getting a PSP for though.
I agree, a game would be nice, but in a way i'm happy they're not, because it means they'll be focusing their efforts on SH5.

Now that I think about it, it would be cool if they added the whole Lost Memories book inside the UMD, don't you think?

Yeah of course i do.

Hi Everyone!

Dumb question, don't laugh! I'm not an avid gamer, but I do like playing them! I kept reading these Silent Hills threads and wanted to see what the hype was for myself, so I got a copy of SH1 off of ebay, I wanted to start from the beginning.

I have to say, I'm very frustrated! Just moving the main character around is a feat in itself! Are all the SH games like this? Or is it just because it is on PS1? I forgot how hard commandeering some of the games on PS1 could be.....

Anyway, the game itself looks really good, but I got so frustrated that I gave up. So, if I got a copy of SH for PS2, are they any easier maneuver?

Thanks,

Amy

Most survival horror games are controlled in the same way. I've never found it difficult myself. All of the Resident Evil and Silent Hill series are controlled in the same way except for Silent Hill 4, on the PS2, which useless 2D controls instead.


What exactly are you having a problem with? You push up on the d-pad to move the character forward, back to make him walk backwards, left to make him turn left and right to make him turn right.
Just practice moving him around the town for awhile and you'll get the nack of it pretty quickly.

Hmmm.... thanks...

Maybe there is something wrong with the CD then. It is just very difficult to move him forward. In fact, when you push up, unless you have him going in an exact straight line, he will start moving in circles..... It is actually easier to maneuver him in reverse! LOL..... What can I say, it was a used game.....

We have been playing Haunting Ground and Haunted Mansion all weekend, and have not had any problems at all maneuvering around in those games, but they are PS2. I just thought maybe the PS1 were more touchy.....

Thanks....

I would think that if the character's movement is like that, then there is something wrong with the controller your using. A scratched disk wouldn't affect movement.

Yes, if you push up the character should move up, not in circles. Use the D-Pad, not the analog stick, and see if that makes a difference.
A scratch will cause skips or freezes, but not malfunctions in control.

hey can someone explain to me the meaning behind the demon bird and dog in sh1?

i know the ape represents alessas fears of adults, and i think the dog is because she hated dogs, but i could be wrong


i was going to ask in the movie thread but figured it was off topic, also i sthere a resource somewhere online that sums up sh1s story line?

Besides us?

Yeah there is. But bear in mind, while this one on gamefaqs is awesome, it is open to interpretation by the game player him/herself and therefore opinions do differ on some things.
But give this a read and it should tell you everything you need to know. But bear in mind i don't have time to read it through right now, so i don't know if it's the good one i'm thinking off or a crappy one.
Either way, there are lots of plot guides on game faqs so have a look.

http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/silent_hill_plot.txt


All the monsters in Silent Hill are things that Alessa in her childhood feared. The dark Silent Hill is created by Alessa on purpose, so she can hide from Dahlia who is trying to get the power of Samael from Alessa. Alessa conjures these demons from her memory, and a childs memory is racked with imagination as we know. Terrible skinned creatures in the form of dogs and birds, disgusting small white demons in the form of children who teased and abused her in school, large guffing ape-like monsters with claws representing the order of adults and her teachers who threatened her with their size, etc etc. The horrible nurses in the hospital who were afraid of Alessa, except of course the one nurse who was ever nice to her.
She uses the things she fears and despises to stop Dahlia, and succeeds. That is why, naturally, she decides to use Harry as a pawn to get close to Alessa and use the Flauros to take away Alessas power.

Man, i'm rambling. Sorry this happens with Silent Hill, there's alot to explain.

The bosses, however, are exceptions to this. Generally the represent splits in Alessa/Cheryls soul. The double-head lizard of course, as well as the moth that starts out as a grub.

Wow, I never actually knew that about silent hill. I just assumed that some crazy stuff happened, so you had to go around and beat things with iron pipes and such. Its been a while since I played the first one, Alessa is Harry's daughter Cheryl, right?

Cheryl is not Harry's daughter, he just found her on the side of the road.
She is half of Alessas soul.
Dahlia Gilespie, Alessas mother, had the intention of birthing a girl with the fetus of the god Samael inside of Alessa so she could tap into that power. The ritual was complete but failed, only half of Samael was inside Alessa. So Dahlia gave birth to Cheryl to tap the other half of the god.

I get it now. Dhalia Gilepsi, and Kuafmann are in a cult that worships Samael. Dhalia Gilepsi gave birth to Cheryl to use her, but Lisa (the Nurse) took her away and left her on a road side somewhere. This is where Harry found her. And before Dhalia Gilepsi gave birth to Cheryl she gave birth to Alessa. Alessa only had half the power of Samael, and she didnt want it, so they burnt her to control her. Then at the end, if you get the good ending, you get given a new baby which is Heather from Silent Hill 3.

97%!

Kaufmann was not in The Order, he was just being used by Dahlia. He desired the power but didn't care for the occult mumbojumbo.
Alessa refused to allow Dahlia to have access to the strange power within her when she was a little girl, so Dahlia burned her alive so severly that she fell into a coma with 'wounds that would not heal'. Lisa of course, was the nurse Kaufmann made look after Alessa. Lisa was easily controlled because of her addiction to White Claudia, a drug manufacted by the occult. But when Lisa found out Dahlia had another baby, she stole the baby and ran with it, eventually though she needed to go back to Silent hill for her fix, so she left the baby at the highway. Kaufmann of course, killed Lisa for this.

Yes, the baby at the end of SH1 is Cheryl/Alessa, who goes by the name Heather for the first half of the third game. That is why in the third game the world distorts and the creatures haunt Heather, it is the power of Samael whole inside her.

In SH2 the world does not distort, James merely sees different versions of the same area from the past and present, he doesn't see the nightmare realm Harry is subjected to because that is Alessas nightmare, full of burning walls and bleeding flesh.

One thing i dont get. Kaufman wanted the power, so why did he help Harry at the end by chucking the red stuff at Alessa?

Because he discovered, before the beginning of the game, that Dahlia was just using him to keep Alessa in the hospital basement, she had no desire at all to share the power of Samael with Kaufmann. He was decieved, and he certainly didn't think that Alessa would throw the town into a crazy hell-hole with demons everywhere. So he wants to destroy Samael to put things right and put and end to Dahlia's schemes.
He creates, i'm guessing he created it, the Aglophatis and puts it in two viles. Dahlia finds one of the viles in Kaufmanns office and destroys it, but of course he hid the other vile where Dahlia wouldn't get it.

That's my best explaination anyway, i've never given it much thought before.

Okay, i understand the first one now. But, i'll probably of forgotten it by tomorrow due to the time, and my unbelievable headache.
I get the third one as well, except for that whole crap with the woman in the sewer that gives you a golden pipe.
Is the second one connected at all to the first one?

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Besides us?

Yeah there is. But bear in mind, while this one on gamefaqs is awesome, it is open to interpretation by the game player him/herself and therefore opinions do differ on some things.
But give this a read and it should tell you everything you need to know. But bear in mind i don't have time to read it through right now, so i don't know if it's the good one i'm thinking off or a crappy one.
Either way, there are lots of plot guides on game faqs so have a look.

actaully BS the director or writers of the game released a document with all the hidden meanings and symbolisms in that i found on the internet somehwhere. they explain all the way up to SH 3. its fascinating seeing as a media student i have to read the meanings he put in. some of the stuff is quite hard to work out, for example viltiel tunring all the wheels in SH3. that explenations quite interesting.

Do you have the link to this? Or can you upload it or something. Cheers.

thanks for the link BS, and i would love to see this document you speak of (31oha2a121)

Unless you have a source to provide, I'd have to say you're making this stuff up. Why? Because, to my knowledge, the only statements with regards to the plot ever released by the developers state that the plot is open to various interpretations, which for the most part are rarely invalid.

And the fact that I'm a member of the majority of large SH fansites and communitys (most of the big sites closed down since SH2, but...) and haven't heard anything about this prior to now would have to support the idea that such a document has never been released by the developers.

the whole pipe bit is a secret, and a silly joke part, nothing more, it has nothing to do with the story.
the only thing that connects the first game with the second, is the town.






Not so fast Walken, 31 does have a point actually.
Although i too do not have any source for this since it was such a long time ago, i used to be a member of a Silent Hill Community called Cold Mirrors, and once there was a link posted onto the site which was actually, 'SUPPOSED' to be the official story release from the developers of the game. I read through it once or twice and it was really interesting but alas, as i said, i have no idea how to find it now.

Because i've never seen it again i am inclined to believe it is probably some plot-guide that is fan made, since if it was official as you said every SH site would have it lying around.

Even still, the 'official' release was still just a guide to the plot, it explained the symbolism of some obvious things, but in no way the actual main story, that is as it always has been, up to the interpretation of the player.

Quick question, what about lost memories? Several things were definately answered in that and it is an official document is it not? I've only read it online so i'm not entirely sure.

Once again, without a source I'd be inclined to beleive the document was fan-made and being posed as an official release.

I just did some searching for said document - nothing too deep as of yet - and have been unable to turn anything up. Like I said, the vast majority of major SH fan sites and communities closed down since SH3s release. I did find one or two links which could have been the document you're talking about, but because the sites have all closed down since then the links were dead.



A couple of extracts from Lost Memories made it onto the web long before its actual release, which may be the document you're both referring to. Having never owned a copy of the book or DVD, I can't say for certain, but my understanding is that the Lost Memories DVD is more about the making of Silent Hill (with particular focus on its art and music) and the book is mostly just concept art, ecetera, with very little information on the plot provided - other than text to explain or evaluate art work. Thats where information on the symbolism of Valtiel may come from.

Oooh Lost Memories is much much more than that mate, you should definately look it up and give it a read. There's indepth character analysis in it as well as a very deep history and timeline of Silent Hill going back to when the town was just a Indian camp ground before settlement. The natives believed they could communicate with the dead at the location Silent Hill was built. It also has indepth looks at all the locations in games 1-3 and all the heebie-jeebies extra.
I think there's a link for it in this topic somewhere, i'll have a looksee.

http://www.translatedmemories.com/

That's got scans of most of the pages of the Book of Lost Memories. It's really good.

And infact i may add i'm pretty sure that's the source for the 'official' information i remember reading on the old SH site.

Thats pretty sweet. I may have to buy this book.

Just read the creature analysis of SH2 - Does anyone know the link for the information about the Prison monster? I know that theres nothing there.

It was proven, there was a site that was up for a very very short time called silenthillcrack.com

It was an excellent site, this guy cracked into the game and was able to go through walls and move the camera angle anywhere and took snapshots. He moved the camera to see the Prison Monster, and it's just an open space with sound effects, there's nothing there at all.

I don't know any other link i'm afraid.

Yeah, thats the one.

Shame it went down, really. Silent Hill Asylum, Central Silent Hill (black-helix) and Silent Hill heaven all used to be really sweet sites too.

Yeah, Silent Hill Asylums forum was the one i was really into, but since the dude stopped working on it it just because dead, and we all moved to a new site, Cold Mirrors. That one has unfortunately died too.

W.
T.
F.



My roommate was just playing Dance Dance Revolution.. and one of the songs was called 'My Rain', i thought the character looked a little familiar..

All of a sudden it clicked, it's freaking Cynthia singing this song with shots of Henry fighting monsters, and then it cuts to Cynthia in a bikini doing this crazy disco dance!

The golden pipe thing is based on a Japanese legend. I can't remember completely but it goes some thing along the lines of this: There is a swamp which was looked over by a fairy type creature. One day a man was walking by the swamp carrying some stones, when he dropped one of them in the swamp by accident. The fairy appeared holding a stone rock in one hand and a golden rock in the other, she asked him which was his, he replied truthfully and said the stone rock; the fairy gave him his stone rock back as well as a golden rock. The man went back to his village and told his people, hearing the story another man went to the swamp carrying an armful of rock stones, he dropped them all in on purpose. When the fairy appeared she asked if the rock stones or the gold stones were his, he lied and said the golden stones were his, and the fairy gave him nothing in return. The moral is the first man was rewarded for his honesty, the second man was punished for his dishonesty.

I hope I said that right.



Haha, I have to see that.

Its a strange world. A strange, strange world.

Thats...uh....kinda cool, I guess.

Not really. Cynthia is just about the ugliest SH woman.



They did the same thing for Silent Hill 3, they had Heather singing the theme song 'You're Not Here' in a variety of costumes and locations.

You think?
Well, I guess she doesn't meet the standards of Dahlia.