after watching a history program i learned that the burning of the great library couldve possible set manking back a thousand years, post you thoughts on what couldve been there and what life would be like now :tu:by

Well would it interest you to know first off that the great library has very recently been discovered?
We may yet know what sort of treasures lay within.

yes, i kno, i read the whole thing

on a side note what do you think about building the great wall of mexico to keep mexicans out?¿?

hi magikman

I think this is the first time I've ever witnessed a poster derail his own topic.

What are you referring to GB, and why wouldn't you start another thread - probably in the bizarre or conspiracy category - to address your question?

By the way, its shadowlands.net not .com.

haha, that was pretty funny, especially how he saw you comming there MM.

The mexican thing, never heard of anything like that.

Back on topic, it's hard to speculate what we would have if the library had not been burned.

yes, i kno its net now
and wht do u mean by "derailing"
discussing another subject completely irrelevent to the topic. Usually a tactic implemented by another poster to emphasize the uselessness or absurdity of the original post. Tends to upset the member who initiated the thread, because it detracts from the seriousness of his opinion and/or question.



and why in the bizzire category, this was an actual event
Wasn't referring to this post, it was a suggestion where to post the thread regarding your question about the 'great wall of Mexico'.


i agree burnside but even a pre-steam engine has been strongly speculated and the antikithrya mechenism, (please excuse spelling) was dated to before then


hi mekorig, wht r youe thoughts
You needn't really have to acknowledge every member who visits this thread, some just come to read what has been written. Also, try to consolodate your responses into a single thread, instead of responding consecutively. You can go back and edit your post if another idea strikes you shortly after hitting reply.

Mmmm... I know that the geneology of the royalty of Judah was kept in that library.... and was lost during the fire.
That was 40 years before Jesus was born.

So this geneology line could actually endanger Christianity - if it would ever be found, and people will find out that Jesus wasn't a descendant of king David, which will disqulify him as a messiah, and thus destroying Christianity ....

Maybe the Vatican found it and it is now hidden away in one of the Vatican's basements .

thts cool, for some reason i could see the vatican doing that, and thnjk you for correcting me mr.magikman

This topic is very interesting, although it confused me at some points with its...flexibility and easy jumping from one topic to another

To the point, according to sources in Alexandria's library there were a million items at the time of its burning, and another fact that many perhaps don't know, is that great number of saved manuscripts, which totalled many millions of items, was kept in the great library of Constantinopole at the time of its burning from the Ottomans in 1453. It is said that the Turks were feeding the camp fires for 3 days with the invaluable material, which contained, among other things, copies from ancient maps and geographical notes. Piri Reis' famous maps was based on ancient greek maps, many of which were perished during this specific fire.

What a pity...

invaluble??? , nvm, to the turks they would be, oopsies

[EDIT]- No need to quote the thread above yours, especially not twice

I am pretty SURE that the recipe for Greek Fire (a Greece navy weapon) has been lose. If the library wasnt burn down , the navy warfare would have been very different today.

Cobalt Demon-
Perhaps it would make a difference for another 200 years after 1453, but the introduction of gunpowder in reliable way of usage, plus the coming of ironclads in 19th century would have rendered the Greek Fire obsolete.


[EDIT]- same here

I am sure if Greece fire still exit, it would has make BIG different betwene loss of live in navy. For example if the ship sink and enemies want to kill off all POW or capture them, they can set fire all around the place. Also it can heat up the temp inside small ships or use it as a barrier or whatever. It also could have play BIG role in some war with wood ships.

I think every small tech can become a big thing.

I believe we have Greek fire but only in a more devastating form: the Adam Bomb. One strike with this weapon and the war is won.

Atomic atoms, GB. One of the most powerful forms of energy on the planet. Like a nuke.

yes i kno, atoms-chain reaction- kaboom

What is the great mystery about Greek fire? It was simply a flammable emulsion that floated on water. You can do the same thing with napalm.

There is many pictures of Greek fire being spray through a tube and onto the water. I remeber people use to wonder how they made it.

Other thing that could has been lost is info on how they build the pyramid, what hanging garden look like, any detail info on wonder of the world, how or why the Stone Henge was build and other things. I wonder if we would even use lifting crane today or not if we know how they move a such heavy stones. Also I wonder if our build would has last longer or look differently today.

i would definitly love to learn how the WotW were built, but stonehedge was in england, so unless it survived another 200 or so years...

Lots of information on medical procedures. They have evidence like brain surgery and stuff used to be performed, but I bet the information on it was lost.

Surely the greatest secret and solution that may have been lost is..

'How to stop toast falling butter side down'.

Oh, and why pensioners do all their shopping on the most crowded and busiest day of the week!

Yeah, what Vamp said. If you could share where you've heard this, I will more publicly bow before the mighty might of Burnside.

Seriously, if I could go back in time I would disappear into the depths of the library never to return.

Or to return as God/a god, whichever would be easier.

So yeah, we lost a lot thanks to a lot of stupid people.


In honor of this topic, a random shift. What if those ancient inventors weren't ancient but modern/future people who went back in time and tried to teach and record these things to improve the future. Only things didn't go right, and obviously it didn't work out.

Possibly because of a set-path in the timestream. As in, they were supposed to be present in the past. That's why they were there.

Of course, that shoots to hell free will.


Uhm...anyway, I suppose I'm done rambling now.

Perhaps they thought the information that was held may be harmful to future generations.

Here it is.


Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat of learning. A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or auditoria. Two thousand years ago, the library housed works by the greatest thinkers and writers of the ancient world. Works by Plato and Socrates and many others were later destroyed in a fire. Announcing their discovery at a conference being held at the University of California, Zahi Hawass, president of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, said that the 13 lecture halls uncovered could house as many as 5,000 students in total. A conspicuous feature of the rooms, he said, was a central elevated podium for the lecturer to stand on. "It is the first time ever that such a complex of lecture halls has been uncovered on any Greco-Roman site in the whole Mediterranean area," he added.

"It is perhaps the oldest university in the world." Professor Wileke Wendrich, of the University of California, told BBC News Online that the discovery was incredibly impressive. Alexandria was a major seat of learning in ancient times and regarded by some as the birthplace of western science.


HERE'S THE FULL ARTICLE Courtesy BBC News.

I found this quote in the article


The library was later destroyed, possibly by Julius Caesar who had it burned as part of his campaign to conquer the city.



Damn Cesar, he did nothing good but give us a salad dressing. Can you imagine how much the contents of that library would be world, in historical value alone???? Its mind boggling. Witness my mind boggle. I'm really starting to seriously dislike Cesar. He's not invited to my birthday anymore.

yes off subject but........ that great wall of mexico could or would past present whatever just might keep great open minded beautiful brown skinned aztec princesses away i truly take offense

I think the most intriguing set of literature to be found, and maybe to have ever existed is in the Vatican Archives. I would let the Pope have my right pinky if I could get unlimited access to that place.

I believe books may or may not have been lost in the fire.