What you say doesn't help your case. I can say anything I want regardless of how preposterous it may be.

Doing it is another matter.

James Randi offers a one million dollar prize to anyone who can show evidence of their skills

I'll tell you what, go get that one million dollar prize and you will not only shut me up, but you will make me your biggest supporter.

Simple enough isn't it?

Nice dodge. whew...close call there.

But is doesn't change the fact that no one has ever proven that they have these skills that you folks claim to have. It has never been reproduced in an observable setting.

btw, he doesn't create the tests, it is a mutual agreement. Randi simply wants to make sure that any trickery can be spotted and exposed for what it is.

You don't think that Randi wouldn't ba able to make more than a million off of the proof of paranormal skills? If you think that he wouldn't take advantage of having proof of paranormal skills that you are more senile than you claim he is. I have met the man, he is not senile by any means.

This isnt the first time you've said this! It seems as if you're the only one who belives that others think they're special. Understand that it has nothing to do with being special or being super human! Its about discovering something about yourself that you never knew existed! Nothing more nothing less.

I would propose that Moses parting the Red Sea would be a far greater example of telekenesis than anyone else could come up with.

That is ultimate evidence, right? Thousands of witnessess, etc...

Sorry, no.

Randi is arrogant. He is also rude, abrasive, and shows little tolerance for self-deception. He is, however, an methodologist without peer. He and his staff of researchers (no, he does not judge things himself, he has a "jury" of practicing scientists), once they and the testee have agreed upon the parameters of the test, conduct it several dozen times, and record and publish the results. These people are not amateurs. They are so experinced in the field of research that they can easily design a test that will eliminate all variables except the alleged psychic ability. If such an ability exists, then the results of the test will support it.

That is what evidence is: non-subjective, imperical data that has been tested and re-tested several times. Stories of flying monks, or high school students whirling paper squares on pin points isn't going to do it.

I don't think so. I personally believe that people like tameer are claiming all these ridiculous things because she wants to be special and important and whatnot.
But it only end up making you look stupid for claiming all these things.

Why would you think that? Its not like there going around flaunting any abilities or even showing any superiority towards anyone. I'm not trying to start an argument or even a debate on the subject, im just curiouse as to why you feel the way you do.

Who is seeking this attention that you speek off and how?

And the problem with that would be? What would you have them do? Go around claiming to be superman?

No affence but that sounds like the childish behavior that you claim to dislike about these people! Once again it seems as if you're the only one who belives that these people think they're special.

BTW- Why do you single out Tameer all the time? To me she seems to fit your profile the least. Just curiouse!

Yet he is posting a message on this forum as we speek! Come on Burnside, do you realy belive only what science tells you?

yes.

How incredibly convenient for you.

No xeno, we don't, but thanks for putting words in our mouth in an attempt to steer the conversation away from the facts of the matter.

No one has ever proven that they have these powers you all claim. Bottom line.

You folks have gyrated around ever reason why you would not want to prove it in order to keep your fantasy world intact, but the bottom line is that you have not proven yourself to have any skills whatsoever. It is a fantasy.

I would love for people to be able to have these powers. I would be the charter member of the xeno and tameer fan club if they were actually to settle the endless debate as to whether these powers exist. I would offer seed money for the foundation to teach people how to generate these skills.

I would have them go around offering proof of their skills and no more.

The proof would speak for itself. In that regard it is painfully silent here.

Damn! You caught that huh! I agree! maybe she could have reworded that phrase a little!

Yeah, maybe, because she completely proved my point.

Just wants to be different. Special.

Rather then just making it on psychic abilities : why dont you have it cover the basic idea of believing in something VS not believing until scientifically proven .

That way you will cover magic and other such things as well .

good idea. That would be a different debate, but i like it.

Blind Belief vs Belief with proof.

I may just start that up.

We too do not want you to come here and claim your fantasy world as "facts".

If you want to say that you are in some kind of fictional rpg group; knock yourself out. Have fun, claim whatever you wish. You can say that you are hovering 6 inches above your chair while typing as far as I am concerned. You can claim to be able to levitate your parents Buick as far as I care just as long as the claims are made within the scope of fantasy that you are dealing with.

There is a big stretch between your fictional world of magic and feats of amazing ability and the real world of cold hard facts. I don't like when people present their fiction as fact. When I see it here time and time again I speak up to support a more scientific point of view.

It is similar to people selling snake oil; it is not nice when someone takes advantage of another’s lack of knowledge or gullible nature. There are kids here who are not old enough to have done their own research and come to their own conclusions whatever they may be. I am not comfortable letting you have your point of view with free reign. I see what you are claiming as based on untruths. I am going to make sure that people get both points of view. Whatever they decide to believe is up to them. It should be an informed decision though.

We see it here all of the time from folks who claim to have all of these incredible talents, yet never back up their claims with anything of substance. Once again you have squirmed around in every fashion to avoid the bottom line fact that you are not willing to back up your claims with anything of substance.

the reason we don't show them off is because the part of the brain that is used for psychic abilities doesn't care about showing off. the reason you don't have a psi ability, is because that part of your brain is underactive

Nice to know our forum members are just so highly educated in neurology.

There is a difference between showing off and proving something. I guess every scientist who has ever proved anything is showing off, eh? That Snell! What an arrogant prick! Oh, and Newton - what a bastard! Who does he think he is, eh? (Sorry; first two scientists I thought of. )

You know, there's a very easy way to stop people from questioning/harassing you. Just prove that you can do the things you claim to, and voila, we'll leave you alone. Incredibly simple, and yet you still refuse. It's the internet - what can we do, come to your house and force you to levitate things for us? All you have to do is show us a video clip. It won't kill you. How can we exploit you - we don't know who you are.

And gonzowalker has a good point. If you really had any of these abilities you claim to, you'd be out helping people instead of posting on a message board about them. After all, you don't care about showing off!

the part of the brain that is used for psychic abilities is called the prefrontal cortex. when it is underactive or destroyed the person "retrogresses" which means they act immature for their age (showing off)

erm...no ...

It has more to do with not really caring to show off in general or in my case understanding what that means .

Nate...

Look, I respect your beliefs and all, but you really need to do your research before making definitive statements such as these, that can be confirmed or falsified with a few minutes on an internet search engine. It is because of academic laziness such as this that many of the alleged psychics in this forum lose credibility.

The Electroencephalograph (EEG) was invented in 1929 By German psychiatrist Hans Berger for the express purpose of testing to see in telepathy could be explained by brain waves. Since that time, numerous universities have, and still do, continue studying brain activity of psychics.

There have been results, but probably not the ones you want to hear. It has been repeatedly shown that electromagnetic exposure to certain areas of the brain accurately and reliably mimics the exact sensations claimed by people who have undergone paranormal phenomena. That includes everything from telepathy to sensing ghosts. It has also been shown that intense meditative concentration, such as that employed by people entering a psychic trance, seperates a certain portion of the mind (chemically, not physically), and creates a state of extreme suggestability.

You can choose to believe that certain people have powers that defy all explanation, or for that matter, even detection, or you can choose to believe that the effects that we have not only observed, but induced repeatedly and reliably through scientific means are the cause of the phenomena.

Either way, do your research first.