good to know

Dang.... I am so half asleep right now...

So there's not explanation for Chi, okidoki.



Okay



Thanks

And I take it that Chi depends on your mood. Kind of like learning. Actually.. kind of like anything



Okay, so if you try really hard, it doesn't really amount to anything? Like, you have to have a state of mind



Oh, okidoki.


Wait.... are you?
Okay, I'll take your word for it right now, because hey, I'm willing to learn.

But I still dunno about this Chi stuff, like you said, no scientific stuff to explain it.

Objectively, breaking 20 cinder blocks is possible within the context of human performance. Potential energy is not an explanation, as a result, some other explanation must exist which responds appropriately to the question (how does one break 20 cinder blocks with a human hand or head??)

While it happens every day no objective answer exists to explain it.

To be clear Theoretical conclusions exist and amongst them is what I have presented......


Any thoughts?

PS: I am as well feeling tired talk to you soon

Its called physics triad. All martial arts feats are nothing more than an application of natural laws in combat. The bricks are broken because they are hit in a manner that passes the maximum kinetic energy to them, at their weakest point. Very impressive but hardly unexplained. Plus most bricks in demonstrations are "twicked", if you get my drift...

you mean like the guy from the old fantastic four cartoon who could find the weakest point in anything

By twicked you mean the martial artist cheats?

if bob has v=1 and mass 2 that he uses when hitting.
bob hits with energy amount 1 (F=ma. e=mc^2=(m*(v^2))/2. p=mv)

if roy has v=1 and mass 4
then roy hits with energy amount 2
twice as much mass in strike, twice the energy.

if mike has v=2 and mass 2
then mike hits with with energy amount 4.
twice as much velocity, four times the energy.

if chuck has v=2 and mass 4
then chuck hits with energy amount 8.
twice as fast and twice as much mass equals eight times energy.

if john has v=3 and mass 2
then john hits with energy 9.
three times as fast equals nine times the energy.

Does that sound about right Bio-mage?

In relation to performers Bio-mage I am certain that twicking is done all the time. But if you’re going to actually going for a certain status within the structure of legitimate martial arts twicking will not get you there.

Neither will what is described above

Any thoughts?

I did specifically mentioned demonstrations, so yes. Legitimate martial artists of certain levels can achieve this for real.

Your example demostrates in part what I say but you fail to take into account the time of contact with the target. That actually dictates the amount of energy passed on and the impulse generated (ie damage to the person applying it).

In short you need the equation





Hope this helps pinpoint what I am saying

Maybe to you it looks inadequate to perform those feats, however you will be surprised what a clever application of force can achieve. Levers anyone?

Still disagree Bio-mage levers are one thing striking 10 to 20 cinder blocks with a bear hand or a forehead is another. If you think it's as easy as coming up with numbers convince yourself of this enough to give it a try....

Any time this week would be quite interesting….. though before you try would suggest you verify your medical insurance is up to date and of course there is the issue of a will
and last testament (if you try it with your head).

All jokes aside I hope you will not actually try that.

Of course if you spent the next 10 years studding Tai Chi or otherwise relatable techniques no ill effects??

Bio-Mage to be serious, that aspect of it, physics does not have an answer for which is why I presented the issue in relation to the topic in the first place.

If they did construction workers would not need hard hats.

Any thoughts?

They wouldn't need hard hats if they devoted years of their lives to learning the techniques.

Yes but the technique is not magic, it’s an exercise in mind over matter and not finding the weakest point. A person without the proper training can hit the exact same spot (in respect to breaking cinder blocks for example), as does the person with training and they will still injure themselves (in relation to the person without training).

Any thoughts?

In relation to current verifiable evidence of telekinetic ability the included site is very relevant......


http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/


Any thoughts?

i turned an airplane around once .....with my mind it was kinda scary

Was it an aeroplane that was four inches long and had the a button on it that whenever pressed, would make a frighteningly real take off sound?

Lmfao. *votes for you in funniest member UM contest*

You appear to be very confused between matters of brute strength and leverage. 20 blocks is an impossible feat for a human, yet training in striking in certain way can make it happen. Of course not anyone can achieve that degree of accuracy but then again its a long path of utter focus that not anyone is cut out for. To prove this to you I will only mention this. Have you ever seen any of those people punching through a wall or another solid object (of relative similar density and mass)??? I think not. Even the way they stuck the blocks helps in the process of breaking them (ie standing on two supports right and left on the bottom block). That gives the leverage needed to splice the blocks exactly in the middle. Its a snapping effect and thats all there is to it. No psi involved I am afraid.

As for me trying that...you can ease your mind. Its a tad too late for me to go shaolin and I most certainly wont spend 10 years waxing on and waxing off...

In regards to that helmet example, I find the remark unfortunate since I cannot see how the two things correlate. I am pretty sure construction workers dont train in Thibetian monasteries. I would get the hat anyways in place of years of rigorous training...



That site makes no validation of any kind. It simply refers to a pattern that seems to implicate the effect of a user on a mechanical device. That may be attributed to peoples personal magnetic field changes due to emotional states or pathological conditions. However it may also be a statistical anomaly or coincidence if you like. because of a factor they are not currently taking into consideration (a secondary source of interference).

Yes I have seen people punching through walls or other similar objects and what your suggesting cannot be repeated by a layman. Clearly, if it was as easy as you describe professional wrestlers would have long ago make it part of there act (there are no examples). In fact one could hire an engineer to identify the "soft spot" still, without the training "Andre the Giant" gets a broken hand.




"Validation" in relation to scientific experimentation relates to those who repeat the tests Bio-mage. Those who would be independent of the ones who present the original data would do that. They can't validate it Bio-Mage that would be unethical. Unless of course they are validating someone else’s experiments.

Because of what factor??


Bio-mage could you offer a potential conclusion as to the cause of the secondary source of interference and the factor? Are you prepared to present a detailed explanation into the type of machine used? As well issues related to the physical distances studied between the subject and the equipment.

I am.....

[quote]
PSYCHOKINESIS, OR MIND OVER MATTER. The ability to exert psychic force over objects at a distance has also been demonstrated in large-scale experiments. Even over distances of thousands of miles, the behavior of certain machines, called REGs for Random Event Generators, have been altered by the intention, or the psychic force of a distant person. The odds that these effects are real, and not due to chance, is now measured in billions to one. In other words, this phenomenon is real.
[quote]

These Random Event Generators are actually quite sophisticated....


http://noosphere.princeton.edu/measurement.html

Any thoughts?

Are you just admitting to thing for the sake of it?. Find me someone that punched through a wall that was the equvallent thickness of 20 bricks and then come back to me. And NO wrestlers is another "pear with apple" comparison. They demonstrate brute strength and for the most part they are a show of a different kind (see WWF if not for the actual sport).



??? want to explain what you actually mean? Because unless you play with words here that made no sense....



A secondary factor could be another such device in the vicinity. A mobile phone? A modem? A devise studied in a house environment contrary to the one in the lab, is subject to more variables. Not to mention all the transmissions ranging from TV and radio signals to wireless signals and generalk broadcasts of all sorts.



Actually this may be down to something different. A discovery made recently shows particle communication over vast distances. The phenomenon is called "photon entanglement" and I suggest you look it up for it may prove an interesting read. After that you may realise that perhaps the "psychic force" they observe is the communication of the individuals local disruption.

Saying that I reserve any definate answers as I know little of random event generators. However the little I read shows that they are sensitive enough to pick up quantum flactuations. That in itself means that the interference can be due to anything. Howe they attribute that to something in specific is beyond me but if the breakthrough was that significant I am sure there would be the forefront in any ESP talk..yet they are not.

Random generators being computer based (binary system) are hardly capable of true randomness. This is an abstract on the subject that I found.

"A pseudorandom number generator (PRNG) is an algorithm that generates a sequence of numbers, the elements of which are approximately independent of each other.

The outputs of most pseudorandom number generators are not truly random—they only approximate some of the properties of random numbers. John von Neumann emphasized this with the remark "Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin."1 While "truly" random numbers can be generated using hardware random number generators, pseudorandom numbers are a critical part of modern computing, from cryptography to the Monte Carlo method for simulating physical systems. Careful mathematical analysis is required to ensure that the generated numbers are sufficiently "random"; as Robert R. Coveyou of Oak Ridge National Laboratory once titled an article, "The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance."2

Most such algorithms attempt to produce samples that are uniformly distributed. Common classes of algorithms are linear congruential generators, lagged Fibonacci generators, linear feedback shift registers and generalised feedback shift registers. Recent instances of algorithms include Blum Blum Shub, Fortuna, and the Mersenne twister."

They sure like their pears

But yeah, I know it's an acronym.

It’s you who seem confused…….

WWF is not only brute strength but what else Bio-mage? Is the answer leverage? Also they use balance?

It should be easy for them Bio-mage given your responses there should be available a six month crash course anyone can take the way you describe it?

Bio-Mage Chi' is not just about being able to brake brick with your head or with your hands (that would be kind of silly). Every so often in relation to people under extreme stress you hear about such incidents where normal untrained humans show incredible strength. Martial arts teach a person to access what makes such things possible which is mind over matter. A chi' master can break bricks with any part of his body and in relation to going thru walls well, while it may take more than one punch (perhaps several) it can be done.



Main Entry: val•i•da•tion Pronunciation: "va-l&-'dA-sh&nFunction: noun: an act, process, or instance of validating; especially : the determination of the degree of validity of a measuring device

Validation from the context of scientific validation means that a person is verifying the data of another and confirming that it is valid. Meaning your statement makes no sense which is why I response they way I did.



On to the rest....

You’re claiming that in a controlled experiment something the experimenter cannot control because it’s related to nature at a level our technology has not yet accessed. That’s a little (actually it's a lot) like saying Ra controls the sunsets and sunrise and you can't prove he does not because you have never been outside the earth.






Ok all you saying here is that REG can generate truly random numbers.



Ok this is a different machine

I do appreciate your help Bio-mage in making my point



Strange that this is not what you seemed to want to do?

Perhaps you should read and understand something before you post it??

Bio-mage you seem to place a lot of emphasis on the idea that I am confused but to be honest I really do not think is me.

But I do appreciate you [b]validating the effectiveness of REGs

I could have done it without your help but now have more time to respond to other posts




Any thoughts?

Its pointless to argue with someone that makes little effort to read. You only neatpick words to counter arguments and make conclusions out of thin air.

Here is a portion of my previous post post:



And here is what you replied on yours.



So you still think you are not confused?

I also know what validation means but it was that little paragraph that made no sense. yet again you resorted in vocabulary pasting from the internet. Typical retort from someone who sidesteps a question.

I think I am going to take time to address other posts. This is to no end.

I relly think it is you who is confused because anyone can understand that little paragraph he wrote ...and triad does not sidestep questions your the one who does that

Hey you guys had a question for you since you guys seem to know alot about TK.
When i was younger i use to recieve visions of things that would happen in hours or days and it was crazy. I started ignoring it for a few years cause i got awful headaches and some times Seizures from them. But i recentlly have been trying to learn TK. I was just wondering how you guys started and with what.

Oh and one more thing, as a kid i also went tricker treating with my dad..(a long time ago) and we were walking down the road and all of a sudden i was looking down at me and my dad and the road from the sky (arial view) it was crazy...then i fell down on my knees and was back. Would that be astral projection?

Thanks

Hi Valdreaus... before I can respond in relation to your PSI experiences I need to know much more about the seizures you had and how they related to the experiences (it's very important because seizures do alter your awareness).

Are you on medication at present and if so what kind? What was the last time you had a seizures? How old are you now and how old were you when these events started and have you had any headaches recently?


Bio-mage I am not confused and to be honest in relation to your responses you need to look more carefully at what you are presenting. You seem very intent upon presenting what you think is real, but I can assure you, that given your more recent responses. I do
not feel that what you are stating will have an effect upon how I feel.

Comment as you see fit taking into consideration what I just said.

Any thoughts?

Triad i am not medicated and i am 20. I have had lots of weird things happen half of which i cannot explain but regardless i am trying tk cause i have a strong feeling about it ...and a sort of draw towards it...and everytime i try to use this psi wheel the lights dim..what the hell....im confused.

I hope you’re not offended in relation to someone explaining to me they have had medical issues. I consistently rule out that matter, in relation to first discussing, it before I go into anything else.

I hope you can understand ruling out obvious conclusions is very important....


Ok before you can real do anything else the first thing to do is deal with your confusion in relation to your goal. And what I consistently recommend is seek out a partner who you can trust to confirm your findings. This needs to be someone who you feel you can sincerely trust as well as someone who won’t freak out if they see the phenomenon is valid.

Before you can address the "how" you have to assess the "what" to its natural conclusion meaning without validation from someone else confusion is a problem.

As far as the "how" there are many sources look and review as much as you can. Do not and this is very important treat what you read or get from others (including me) as absolute, rather always take it from the context of advice.

This is a very important point for many reasons.

Think of it this way there are as many paths to understanding as there is life in all of reality each an every one, is valid from the context of a path to understanding akin in every way to a puzzle.

It's very important to be objective and also don't take yourself to seriously doing either one can get you into trouble.

So from your observation when you try to move a psi wheel the lights dim before you can say you are causing that effect you have to rule out any other conclusion. Next you need a friend (perhaps two), you do have to be careful because not everyone can deal with this and not only can you cause yourself problems, but you can also cause them problems as well.

Take your time, it's not a race and remember what I said about not taking yourself too seriously. The fact that you have reached the point at which your confidence has allowed you to accept your goal as valid can be over powering. Forget about power and about what you could do if........all that going to do is make things harder to understand.

Research is important it keeps you grounded.

When you think you have all the answers that is the moment, you have to think about doing more research:tu:

My point is that the "how" is ultimately unique to you.

Any thoughts?

Well so far I can wiggle my toes. With my mind.

Hello, hello….. in relation to a response would offer page 31 in this thread with respect to my responses.

Try it and go from there.

Any thoughts?

Hey, everyone. I'm new here. . .

I saw this thread after web-searching for telekinesis, and since then, I've tried to find my psychic ability.

Whether or not it's truely exsistant, only time shall tell. However, today, even before attempting meditating, I tried to make an energy ball, and felt my body tingle as I visualized taking in energy, however, at this point in time, I cannot see the energy I am giving off.

I'm very good at seeing auras, however.

Alot of people can't see their psi-balls what is important is that you feel it...just have faith it is there and it will be there...Psipog.com gives some good tips on psi-ball flareing.

You hardly classify as anyone...thanks for sharing.



Yes I think its clear who is actually very "intent" upon their opinion. I believe it is you that needs to be careful for all your arguments revolve around taking unproven concepts for granted.

Bio-mage Cleary in relation to this thread you presented evidence that the experiments at PEAR are accurate and proof of telekinesis. That you seem not to understand it is a bit funny but there is no reason to disrespect others. Shadow dragon is classified as a human being(a young man for the record) Bio-mage and a member of this forum, it seems you lack any desire to respect others (your comments to HK in another thread were very inappropriate as well).

I will say this again you proved that the process related to the PEAR institutes experiments in relation to Telekinesis is valid.

Forget what I said about engaging in discussion in PM with you.

Furthermore all these comments that you are making Bio-mage really are resulting in presenting to others that PSI in all its ways are valid in every respect.

So while I do appreciate your help I would ask that you not refer to others as insignificant that most definitely is a false statement.

Any thoughts?

You get funnier by the minute...I like how you conclude all these things....must be very nice in Triad world, where everyone agrees with you.

Any thoughts?

ugh, i hate my powers...

i get spiritual levi mixed to accidentily move the mag field!

i can call God's lightning spiritually, but no tele!

bty, what a psi ball?

Please make an effort top read the whole thing please. Its getting old now

I suppose reading this topic several thousand people have become Telekinesists (or Telekenisists as the topic title says). Guys get real. What would your children think when you tell 'em "You know, son, I was an almighty telekinesist (telekenisist) when I was your age." ? Will they be proud? Give it a thought. Because it's better to do serious stuff instead of persuing the impossible.

The point being Bio-mage you inability to accept the reality, that the sentence I placed in bold text, specifically speaks of true random number generators, being actually able to produce real random numbers.



The rest of the article speaks of pseudo-random number generators which is another type of number generators.

In other words the article mentions two types of random number generators the one it discusses the most, are pseudo-random generators. But it does mention in the sentence I placed in bold, that there are machines which are refered to as random generators which are truly random.

The machines used at PEAR are truly random generators as described in the link I included in a response to the issue.

Its quote you made is simple to understand as is the reference I provided from PEAR in relation to the type of equipment they use to generate random events.



Just because a name is given does not mean they are not trully random because of the hardware source of true random events.

Rest of link......


Bio-mage states to Shadowdragon....


This comment directed at shadowdragon is sad and I do request that you apologize to him for your inappropriate comment in open forum.

With all due respect it is the proper thing to do and you were wrong to say what you said to him it in every way.

Any thoughts?

The difference between a random and pseudo random is the fact that the pseudo type is derived from a computer algorithm.

However in the interest of this debate here is another FACT that you should know taken from wikipedia.

"History

The generation of random numbers has many uses (mostly in statistics, for random sampling, and simulation); originally researchers needing random numbers would generate them through various means - dice, cards, roulette wheels ... or use existing random number tables.

In 1947, the RAND Corporation generated numbers by the electronic simulation of a roulette wheel; the results were eventually published in 1955 as A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates.

John von Neumann was a pioneer in computer-based random number generators. In 1951, Derrick Henry Lehmer invented the linear congruential generator, used in most pseudo-random number generators today. With the spread of the use of computers, algorithmic pseudorandom number generators replaced random number tables, and "true" random number generators (Hardware random number generators) are only used in a few cases."

Rest of the info is on this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-random_number

I hope this helps you see what I am on about.



Very touching to look after your fans...really. The answer is no though. He most certainly got what he wanted...attention

Bio-mage states....


From the link related to type of equipment PEAR uses....


Ok in this particular case PEAR used true random number generators, meaning the quote you made establishes the validity of the PEAR experiments and for the record establishes
the validity of telekinesis.

I relation to what you want to emphasis that is uninportant.

You are wrong and the intelligent thing to do would be to apologize for your rude behavior.



So despite the fact you were wrong it was ok to call a person response insignificant??

Common sense dictates that I tell you sir that any credibility you had prior to this discussion (that is if you had any) is lost.

The point being is that if you are here because you have concern for people then you would admit your mistakes and move on, however if the only reason you are here is to fan your own ego (which under the circumstances makes complete sense) then that would explain why you are failing to apologize for your mistake. Nobody is perfect Bio-mage and when a person admits there mistakes (when they make them), it's a clear indication they are sincere and when they do not, there are serious problems in relation to there motivations.

This isssue presented with respect to your motivations Bio-mage.



Any thoughts?

taken from the quote of the site that you did NOT read.



Apologise for wasting my time at your earliest convenience.



I want to take over the world....but you are getting in the way of my evil plans

Well I cannot apologize because you mention a software program when obviously truly random generators apply hardware in order to make them truly random.

The equipment at PEAR uses such hardware, so you are still wrong and still supporting my point, despite the fact you are claiming otherwise.




OK this sounds like an effort on your part (albeit symbolically) to show you have done something wrong. The world is a big place bio-mage, plenty of room for all sorts of ideas that are actually based in fact, telekinesis just happens to be one of them.

Any thoughts?

This is part of the research with the "hardware you mention.



Now do I see a computer involved or what? I am pretty sure the graphs require software too.

Here is another wikipedia article on hardware random generation this time.







No just plain sarcastic actually....got to love the way you think though

Believe if you will, I am not here to change that. I only point out things you may want to consider.

Is this topic even about telekinesis anymore?

Triad submitted a research on ESP based on Random Number Generators. We have a disagreement on how valid that is though amongst other things. So yes this is still relevant to the actual topic:)

Have you been paying attention young man !!!

Bio-Mage it’s not ESP the issue is Telekinesis, which the truly random number generators are providing validity too.



Bio-mage the fact the text states they "may" is suggestive of the hardware.

This text states that whether hardware REM is suitable for a particular application depends on the application, all that’s saying is that it depends on the hardware.



The difference between my dell computer and a super computer is substantial. If I use a computer with the type of hardware used by PEAR and add software to generate random numbers, then the randomization of those numbers becomes truly random.

Now Bio mage what kind of computer is being used at PEAR??

From the PEAR link....





Rest of link...


Also here is the specific Wilkepedia reference to true REM’s you keep posting data on pseudo REM’s which again is not the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generators

As well as.....

http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/

Bio-mage to be certain it is you who is not paying attention.


Any thoughts?

How on earth you came to that conclusion? No it doesn't. You say it yourself in your own words.... "use software to generate random numbers". I proved to you that software cannot do that, so this experiment is flawed and you know it.

You link states exactly what I have been showing you. That the numbers are being treated as random because they have not any easily discernable pattern. Which means that this whole thing is based on assumptions, because they actually do have a pattern but they are just not aware of it yet.


Need coffee???

You are hilarious



Bio-mage of course the use software but when taking into consideration the type of computers they use the combination of the software and type of hardware makes for the generating true random events



yes Bio-mage and wont be for perhaps 100 billion years as that is when the element they are using experiences decay


Seriously Bio-mage these machines are used for encryption, it does not matter what kind of software you use as long as that software is compatible with the hardware and designed to when integrated to generate true random numbers.

It really is possible with today's technology and that is not hard to understand given that it is used for encryption.

You are very funny this is hilarious thanks again for your help

Any thoughts?

hey anybody know how to do telekenisis or anything????
I think i almost levitated but im not sure i felt my legs going up but the rest of my body was what i beleive to be resisting.

Try the technuiqe I presented in Page 31 of this thread it's a good way to learn.


There is also the psiwheel; there is a recent post by another member, which presents a link to instructions of how to make one.

That one should be about 2 or three pages away.

Any thoughts?

I am sorry if this was already answered in another post, but...
I keep hearing about psiwheels, and I haven't actually found a post explaining what they are... If someone could answer this, I'd appreciate it...

Namaste.