I made a pencil and a salt packet wiggle a little. My only problem is keeping my composure AFTER doing it. It's just so COOL!!

please tell me the details if they really message back

I plan to - no problems ... But I stated the likely hood of them responding w/any credible and verifiable proof will be like we see here --- met w/excuses..... But we will see....

Jj, you know just as well as I do, that many people have already asked many times for credible evidence,
only to get lame responses and excuses. You really have to ask yourself WHY can't they provide proof
for what they claim? I think the answer to that is simple! They really don't have any credible proof. Only writing
long articles, or giving speeches that say things such as you have to practice, meditate, and most of all BELIEVE,
before these abilities will work. Thats a cop-out. And, its overly condescending for a person that really can't provide
proof themselves. The sad part is naive kids and young adults fall for this garbage all the time.

People like Uri Geller when met by a person such as James Randi get really upset when they are exposed as a fraud!
Randi publicly challenged the claims of Uri Geller. Randi accused Geller of being nothing more than a charlatan and a fraud using standard "magic" tricks to accomplish his allegedly paranormal feats, and he backed up his claims in the book The Magic of Uri Geller. Geller later sued Randi for 15 million dollars. Eventually Geller's suit against CSICOP was thrown out in 1995, and he was ordered to pay $120,000 for filing a "frivolous" lawsuit.

I will even go a step further in notating that geller just recently appeared on a new tv series with Criss Angel called Phenomenon! Where Criss Angel and Uri Geller are searching for the next big thing! This is nothing more than a talent competition. All these people use nothing more than tricks, illusions etc. That right there to me, is enough to tell me that these powers are not real. They can only be pulled off with tricks and illusions.


Regards,
Tom

Some I know what you are saying and agree 100%, with you all the way!

Here is the point of this 'adventure in education' --> I'm trying to set an example for the 'psi-kiddies' and other believers in this Psi - Anime - Jedi - X-Men stuff to do the same thing! Start asking these frauds for proof of their claims! As the old Wendy's Commercial used to ask: "Where's the Beef?" so "Where's the proof?"

That is the one thing that ALL "Psi-Kiddies" and Psi Believers consistently lack - Proof, when they say, "I can do (Psi Power)" Then when asked for proof - they either have none or were totally ignorant of the actual science or physics that was actually at play.

They've been duped, seriously big time. So maybe when they see these "preachers" - "teachers" run away w/their tails between their legs - THEY WILL GET A CLUE. >>> WAIT - if these site owns, preachers, teachers cannot do the very thing on their sites -- then WHAT DA FX GOING ON??

BOTTOM LINE:
I would like to actually see the 'psi-kiddies' - 'psi-believers' become just a tad bit serious in the critical thinking skills department, by just asking this one simple question:
Why can't the preachers and teachers of this prove what they preach & teach?
Why is it they ONLY USE diagrams and doctored up pictures for visualization?

See people wouldn't turn investment moneys over to this kind of 'deal' - you would seriously look for a track-record and such before you turned your money over, to insure the risk is at the low end not the high end. Now why would you give some just as valuable as money - YOUR TIME, which look at the time you've invested into "psi balls" - "telekinesis" and so on. What do you have to show for your time? Nothing. Isn't that kind of sad??

No, I'm going to present my letter that I will post in the Psi -v- Sci thread - since it will be related to the $1,000.00 Challenge.

General Comment Now:

See the "PSI" PIN-Wheel is suppose to be the 'baby step' of developing Telekinesis. This is how it is 'billed' in a lot of the Psi Club Websites. So why is it that NO ONE HAS MASTERED THIS BABY STEP YET? I'm serious, there is NOT ONE PERSON on the whole World Wide Web (WWW) -aka- the whole INTERNET that has mastered the Spinning the Pin (Psi) Wheel.

Can anyone give me an answer to why this is the case? <-- I would like an answer to this. There is a difference, by the way between an answer and an excuse.

Cryingwoe:

I would suggest in the future - before you post a link that you think is in support or looks like it might "teach" or "support" something - you read it carefully. In this case the author of this website is'nt doing either ... "teaching TK or PK" or as I read it actually giving "support" for it. She is actually, from my reading of it - likely "neutral" on it all and I would guess for very good reason! Because of what I read, I am not sure I'm going to be submitting a letter to her on the TK Challenge. I might just to see - but I have a feeling she wiil likely refer me to her site page that states the following, and I quote:



Please note that even she admits - "never been a scientifically demonstrated instance..." This is NOT due to lack of looking or investigating. So even a 'believer' in the paranormal - and I'll do my best to validate this from her - is likely not convienced of this being real - un-confirmed or un-verifiable stories do not facts make. This is about 99% of the case w/Telekinesis claims. They are stories of "I did this..." . o O ( but have not been able to do it again....) So we have no idea what actaully took place or if it even did take place at all. It canNOT be validated, verified or anything..... statements like, "I know this happened....." does not facts make .... not even sorta, kinda, maybe.

Facts are not based on "Opinions" or "Beliefs". A lot of people have belief in this - NOT one of these people and their belief has made it a fact. <-- This is NO small point to over look.

You are well within your rights to aproach these other sites on your own, however it is highly unadvisable to post any such challenges or results here at U.M. without the express permission of all parties involved, including the permission of Unexplained Mysteries own Administration. After all we do have legal obligations whch must be considered.

Yes, I am totally aware of that .. That is why it was stated, it would be stated that this would be done .....

Simply telling them that you are going to reproduce their e-mails on a public forum isn't enough, they need to explicitly consent to it otherwise we'll be getting them contacting us over privacy issues and copyright infringement.

Also remember to make it clear in your correspondances that this challenge is your own personal project and is in no way officially sponsored or endorsed by this web site.

Ok, Saruman - No I didn't get into specific' here - yes I am aware of all of this. I actually talked to a lawyer friend of mine and know exactly what to do.

Basically put: The letter at the bottom of the e-mail wil.

This is going to be posted on a public access forum (UM) for which the website address will be give. More specifically the Psi -v- Sci thread where the $1,000.00. So they can see what specifically is going on. They will the choice to respond or not to. If they choose not to it will be totally legal for me to state:

-- Posted Response if they give one.
-- Person has not responded.
-- Person has chooses not to answer any questions in the e-mail.

To put everyone's mind at ease .. Saruman I will send you the final draft of the e-mail for you preview..

I saw the movie Carrie and wanted to know if people could actualy do that so i searched up "Telekinisis" and found this forum.
So I want to know, how do you learn to do telekenisis.
Even if you just show tell me how to do something small I could turn that into somethbing better!
but I also want to know... Can you really learn to move stuff with your minds?

P.S one of the smqall things I wanna learn is to make a dice always land on six!

I'm afraid the answer is no. You cannot move stuff with your mind. Nor can you make a dice always land on six. But you can collect stamps. Many stamps. I advise you do this. When you have a substantial collection return for further instructions.

Well if you want any help you can go to the front of the fourms.

Well....

I don't know if this can be classified as Telekinesis or not...but I seem to be able to make the wind blow.

Don't ask me how or why...and its not something I 'learned' really...its just something that I can do when I concentrate if I'm not too tired.



...before the snide comments start coming at me...no its not like the X-Man Storm and I can't fly or anything.

So far the strongest wind I've been able to form is a very small whirlwind that blew some leaves around. It scared my friends when I did it so I never did it again. I used to think it was just coincidence, but its not. I can actually summon breezes and things. I can't do it long because my head starts to hurt and my hands and forehead get hot like I have a fever.

I also have some kind of sympathy with ocean waves.

Its like I can feel them...like I can feel when they will come...probably has something to do with the wind part.

Anyways....There you are.

well its not called telekinesis its called aerokinesis the control of wind and if you don't like skeptic comments how about posting a video on it.

And while your at it will you be so kind as to tell me what you did to create the wind?
thanks

Well...that's interesting. I'd never heard of aerokinesis! Kool. Thanks!

I'd take a video, but I don't have a video camera. Its also a fairly subtle phenomena, its almost a subjective experience and I don't have complete control over it. Sometimes its stronger than other times. The side effects of it are also somewhat debilitating and as I get older I find the effects more difficult to deal with.

Its just weird.

I really don't mind skeptical comments...I just don't like mean ones.

Thanks for letting me share.



EDIT:

Well, to do it, it helps to be in a quiet state, I can be inside or outside it doesn't seem to matter. I sort of relax and feel the air around me, the surroundings, and then I breath deep and let my mind clear.

I then, I guess the word is, 'push'. I can feel an effort go out of me and then a breeze starts.

Sometimes I talk to the wind. Whatever it takes to, like, become a part of it, I guess.

When I do this for too long, anymore that can be just a minute, I start to get a headache and I get hot like I have a fever. I can feel quite drained for the rest of the day.

It seems to be important to believe it will happen and it does.

oh well there isn't any mean skeptics here from all that i see. All they do is to changellenge and you have to be prepared if you wish them to believe you but for some people here, they just ignore the skeptics.

Thanks cryingwoe, that's good to know.

I am skeptical myself, that's why this stuff that happens is kind of strange to me. I still have my doubts it actually happens, but, I've done it just enough times to know that its more than just mere coincidence. Also, the fatigue I feel afterwards makes me sure that I've done something.

ok good luck

You don't sound skeptical. Wind currents would be hard to prove one way or the other unless you are making a whirlwind. Not to be mean, but no sale.

No problem Eric. I understand and I appreciate your insight.

I have actually made whirlwinds before consciously. I made one on cue once that scared my friends at the time. I didn't mean to scare them, they just wanted me to prove I could do what I said, so I did. It wasn't much, just a whirl to make the leaves blow around a bit. It scared them enough though that I never did it again.

I can't make them now. I don't seem to have the strength anymore.

I really don't want to prove anything...its just nice to have somewhere to air these kinds of things. Plus...I learned a new word! Aerokinesis!

Are you trying to learn Telekenisis?

I am not trying to learn it because i having it allready under control i can open doors and closing them but its faster if i do it by my self and not by my telekenisis

I can spin things etc

More i don't have to say i think

I pity you..

U have yet to provide any credible or valid proof of this claim - so you'll forgive the forum for not accepting this at your word. Especially since the only video you have given us is an "old" video of a pin wheel that has already been debunked and explained the actual science and physics behind it.

So when you have something to offer that is credible and verifiable - Let us know .... For which I am afraid we will never see it ....

Hello Jjbreen

Sorry i was gone for a while

for now i'm using my telekenisis every day i want that i'm strong with it you know...

Later i realy will post a short movie that can proof this Telekenisis

Ok i will try now to move the water oh btw... (Few days ago i try to control the wind etc so i'm testing what i can do more)

How old are you?

just 15 years old...about.. 2 months then im 16

Why am I not surprised?

Another "Psi" Teen that needs a little more education in physics and science .... If he was easily fooled w/the Pin (Psi) Wheel -- then it's not hard to see he' is missing the obvious science and physics at play ---

That is why I have a feeling we will not see another video from him .... as he begins to video - I bet he'll begin to see the science and physics at play that have nothing to do with Psi or Psychic powers.....

These kids with their silly fantasy powers have really become quite ridiculous,
as well as redundant I might add!

I seriously pity the knowledge these kids are being taught! Where is the common sense,
and rational thinking.

lets just see we can talk more about this after the last moment like when they have not come online for a few weeks or so like the telephone call thing

oh well if you have common sense lucky for you some of us just don't have it. Too bad for us.

Cryingwoes -

It would seem to me, but I've been proven 'wrong' by a lot of you teens - that one would atleast be open minded enough to check out the actual science and physics we present and talk about .... But obviously the fantasy is more important that the actual / factual truths and facts.

So I would ask a very simple question to you and the rest: WHY IS THAT?

Why does one willingly choose to ignore the actual science and physics and facts that are presented? If nothing else it would seem one would at least give it some serious 'check out' so as to avoid making one's self look foolish?

To learn the difference between fact and fantasy --- why wouldn't one want to learn?

well actually i am not so sure but its our choices. My choice that i am a believer and your choice that you are a skeptic.

Ok - but you still didn't answer my question - why would one choose to ignore the actual and factual science and physics that are at play? It would seem you would at least want to understand the facts -vs- ignoreing them and look a tad silly? Yes?

Or is it that in your belief - you choose to simply ignore the actual facts --- why?

oh ya Jj i would like to ask a question. Do you think the higher people like what police stuff they do not take psychic seriously because they are not interested with small types like moving a lighter object but they are only interested in those with very strong psychic they can use for their own gains?

probably just because science is not strong enough to disprove what we do.

And this has what to do w/Telekinesis?

Actually "cold readings" has even be proven on UM just w/in the past number of months - So what you are talking about w/what goes on w/police is a far far cry from the so called "telekinetic" X-Men/Jedi Powers. A very big and very serious difference!

Now the question is this - every case - yes EVERY supposed Telekinetic powers that has been presented on this forum and other websites have ALL, yes ALL been shown to be NOT what they are being sold as: Telekinesis. In very single case it was revealed and shown clearly:

A. Illusion.
B. Hoax - Fraud.
C. Mis-representation of the actual facts;
........... Trying to pass off clear laws of science and physics as "telekinesis". That when you actually removed the Factual Science behind it - strangly the telekinesis no longer is there either! <- This is NO small problem Crying -- no small problem at all.

Even major universities that have studied this and tested this w/the intent of looking for even a slight possible chance that it's real -- have ALL come up empty handed. Bottom line - They can find no scientific proof that the human mind is even sorta - kinda - maybe capable of this. Not even with a lot of faith - belief and such --- It simply cannot be done. Period -- Not now and not in a 100 yrs or a 1,000 yrs. The human mind just does not have this 'in it'. Not yours, not mine and not any other 'believer' --- Belief simply is not enough to make it happen ....

U also again need to ask yourself this question -- Why is it that not a signle believer in telekinetics powers has been able to find even one slight possible CREDILBE, VALID and VERIFIABLE proof of this? For all the decades of looking, believing and so on -- there is not one piece of credible, valid and verifiable piece of evidence to be found any where on the planet and again not for lack of looking and not for lack of belief ....

Belief is simply not enough in this focal point of Telekinetic powers. Time, 100's of 1,000's of believers and search and looking and believing has proved this. It simply is not enough .....

ya but you have not answered my question. is it true that they will not care about psi unless it is strong enough to do things for the government?

or will they actually take in a claim seriously?

I dont believe in telekinesis, now i respect everyones perspectives on life and stuff like this but what exactly is it that makes you believe this stuff to be able IRL?
And how can I try this for myself? Any nice links to begin this? I have an open mind for everything.
Greetzzz Richie

Don't waste your time.

How can science go about disproving something of which there is no real proof to begin with? if you offered yourself up to scientific studies and moved a piece of furniture with your mind, then why would they even have a need to disprove? all it takes is performing a psychic trick under scientific scrutiny. Give science something to work with first.

oh then how about ESP?

and all the other kinds of things?

well why are you so concerned why some of us believe in that stuff?

I made a psi wheel yesterday at work. I made it spin really fast. I DO NOT have any special powers, I didn't concentrate or try to imagine some kind of energy flowing from my fingertips to move the psi wheel. It moved because of science. I only learnt what a psi wheel was yesterday (about 10 mins before I made one actually). In my opinion (and more importantly, in the opinion of thousands of people far more knowledgeable than myself) telekinesis is not real. If any of you find my opinion offencive I offer no apology, I am entitled to it. However, if any of you are confident in your own powers of telekinesis please feel free to go and claim the million dollar reward that is rightfully yours for simply demonstrating your "power" under controlled scientific conditions. Anyone...........

oh how lovely you can make it spin shall i say congratulations?

Who cares what the government thinks? We are not the government .....

Telekinesis will be taken seriously when credible and verifiable evidence is submitted. As for the Government, again who cares? They don't - Even if someone should win my $1,000.00 Challenge - the Government isn't going to care that someone made a piece of paper spin ... why should they?

I guess I find this fantasy that people think the "Government is going to wisp them away if they reveal their fantasy.." No - that's just an excuse to not face the realities of the person's fantasy claims...."

As I have stated, a friend of mine has proven to a number of doctor's and 100's of people online of his abilites - and the "talkers" said they would never reveal their "powers" for fear of government. So my friend wrote a list w/people's names to contact (w/permission) and told the government agents, his address and that he would supply Starbucks coffee. This was back in 1998. Almost 10 yrs later - NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. Not even the doctor's got a call or the few University Prof's got called .... The bluff was called and proved ... the government cared less....

Crying - we are getting off topic here. ESP is too broad a term and has many meanings to many peoples...

The focus is TELEKINESIS .... The problem is: NO EVIDENCE of such exists anywhere in the world that has come back w/a "wow...." all of them were found to be mytic illusions or lies .....

I'm not speaking for anyone else when I say this, but it seems pretty obvious that just because a person is skeptical of one type of "phenomena" doesn't mean they are skeptical of everything. I believe some things because there seems to be a lot of mystery in it, while other things can be easily replicated using scientific fact.