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Sporkling
both because there are things that cannot be explained.... at least in my opinion. What your opinion is i cannot change it nor will i try
Moro
QUOTE (Electrokinesis is me @ Jan 2 2008, 11:00 AM) *
both because there are things that cannot be explained.... at least in my opinion. What your opinion is i cannot change it nor will i try

Yes, there will always be things that cannot be explained! But, until they enter the realms of understanding them, they will
still be based on belief.


Regards,
Tom
Sporkling
i fully understand
Triad
QUOTE
So, are you saying that, 1 in 100 million may have an ability? If so, it may not be unrealistic! But, is it really worth it considering
the really low variable, (1/100 Million!) that people actually have an ability.


Regards,
Tom


I am saying that 1 in 100 million would definitely be capable of macro-PK given the results of the experiment in quotes. Furthermore, that this conclusion is the most conservative conclusion that can be reached and that on the other end of the
spectrum 1 in 10 million would be the result. To be clear both numbers are wrong and the correct number is somewhere in between.

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Evidence for Consciousness-Related Anomalies in Random Physical Systems

(from Foundations of Physics (1989) 19, 1499-1514)

Dean I. Radin 1 and Roger D. Nelson 2
Princeton University


The complete experiment as well as all the mathematical data is included at the link included in my sig but, just for the record, the above mentioned scientific periodical is amongst the most prestigious in the world. My point being that math does not lie and while some may wand to struggle with facts (skeptics), the facts are that PK is real.

Any thoughts?

eight bits
Foundations of Physics has recently changed editors, and so there may be a change in editorial policy. In years past, and you cited a 1989 paper, the journal cultivated a reputation for publishing controversial and speculative papers by serious authors.

The appearance of a paper in Foundations of Physics would not ordinarily be taken as an acceptance of an experiment's outcome by physicists nor by the larger scientific community. The focus of the journal is on the philosophical, theoretical, and other implications of the work, if an experiment being discussed panned out.
Triad


eight bits states....
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Foundations of Physics has recently changed editors, and so there may be a change in editorial policy. In years past, and you cited a 1989 paper, the journal cultivated a reputation for publishing controversial and speculative papers by serious authors.

The appearance of a paper in Foundations of Physics would not ordinarily be taken as an acceptance of an experiment's outcome by physicists nor by the larger scientific community. The focus of the journal is on the philosophical, theoretical, and other implications of the work, if an experiment being discussed panned out.



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The journal Foundations of Physics has been led by the able hands of Prof. Alwyn van der Merwe for a very long time. Now, we are continuing under my editorship. The scope of the journal remains much the same: the conceptual bases and fundamental theories of modern physics and cosmology, emphasizing the logical, methodological, and philosophical premises of modern physical theories and procedures. As before, we welcome papers on the interpretation of quantum mechanics, quantum field theory, special and general relativity. We think it is also time for the experts on string theory, M-theory, and brane cosmology to ponder the foundations of these approaches, and ask them to submit papers. Cosmology is an important subject where controversial ideas abound, and such discussions are welcome.


Link

eight bits as far as your comments your basis is?

Any thoughts?

Halofrost
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Belief and facts! That is the residing brick wall between believers and skeptics.


Or, it's possible, that neither skeptics nor believers are right. Or, both of them could be correct in some ways. I'm thinking openly here.

QUOTE
Yes, there will always be things that cannot be explained! But, until they enter the realms of understanding them, they will
still be based on belief.


True indeed.
eight bits
Greetings, Triad. Your quoted matter disagrees with what I said - how?

Also on that page:

"Discovering new phenomena is one thing, putting them into context with other pieces of knowledge, and inferring their fundamental consequences is quite something else. There are controversies, differences of opinion, and sometimes even religious feelings which come into play. These should be discussed openly."

The journal will continue to court controversy.

"Acceptation of a paper may not necessarily mean that all referees agree with everything, but rather that the issues put forward by the author were considered to be of sufficient interest to our readership, and the exposition was clear enough that our readers, whom we assume to be competent enough, can judge for themselves."

Publication in the journal is not evidence of professional agreement about the soundness of the paper, but rather that the paper is interesting and well presented.
Triad
Greetings eight bits the experiment in question does apply the scientific method and is in keeping with the requirements and procedures inherent in such efforts. But lets get you your query....

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Our views of the physical world are changing rapidly. Humanity's continuing search for coherent structures in physics, biology, and cosmology has frequently led to surprises as well as confusion. Discovering new phenomena is one thing, putting them into context with other pieces of knowledge, and inferring their fundamental consequences is quite something else. There are controversies, differences of opinion, and sometimes even religious feelings which come into play. These should be discussed openly. Philosophical issues that are of a general, nontechnical nature should be handled in the opinion pages of the news media, but when the discussed arguments become too technical for that, when peer review is needed to select the really valuable pieces of insight, only a distinguished scientific journal is the appropriate form.


You quoted the text out of context....

My question was very simple what is the basis of your comment....

eight bits states....
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The appearance of a paper in Foundations of Physics would not ordinarily be taken as an acceptance of an experiment's outcome by physicists nor by the larger scientific community. The focus of the journal is on the philosophical, theoretical, and other implications of the work, if an experiment being discussed panned out.


eight bits states....
QUOTE
Foundations of Physics has recently changed editors, and so there may be a change in editorial policy. In years past, and you cited a 1989 paper, the journal cultivated a reputation for publishing controversial and speculative papers by serious authors.


You are claiming that A: Foundations of Physics changed editors and B: Philosophy, Theory and other (alternate)implications of a particular work are what this Scientific Journal only evaluates.


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I hope to receive your submissions. Acceptation of a paper may not necessarily mean that all referees agree with everything, but rather that the issues put forward by the author were considered to be of sufficient interest to our readership, and the exposition was clear enough that our readers, whom we assume to be competent enough, can judge for themselves.


Again taken out of context...

Science in general is by its very nature controversial and conclusions reached more than often subject to argument (referees or otherwise). Foundations Of Physics is a Scientific Journal and acknowledged as such by the scientific community. So again I ask what is the basis for your comment?

eight bits states...
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Publication in the journal is not evidence of professional agreement about the soundness of the paper, but rather that the paper is interesting and well presented.


Specifically I am not asking for your opinion I understand that part,I am asking for the basis in fact for that opinion?




Any thoughts?
eight bits
What we have here is failure to communicate

You asked for the basis of my post and then answered your own question by posting the link to the editor's explanation of the journal's policies.

Your repeated claim that I have taken something out of context is ludicrous. There is nothing elsewhere in the editor's statement that is inconsistent with the parts I posted. I only posted the parts which directly answer the question you asked.

The entirety of the editor's statement had already been posted by link. Any reader could and can check the accuracy and representativeness of what I quoted if they have any doubt.

Nobody disputes the editor's implication that his journal is distinguished. FoP is, however, a niche journal, and acknowledgement of that is in the editor's statement, too.

The journal fills an important and welcome role in the literature of physics. That role is not, however, to confer some mantle of community acceptance upon an author's interpretation of his or her experimental results.

On the contrary, publication in FoP recognizes that there is something interesting or controversial for professionals to discuss, assuming that any preliminary results relied upon in a paper are subsequently replicated and otherwise withstand scholarly scrutiny.

There was something to discuss back then. You quoted the editor's wish-list for what topics he would like to see explored in his journal now. He doesn't mention consciousness-related anomalies in physical systems.
monkee257
arwenpotter, i hae been learning for nearly two years, every thing you have to no hbi (www.higherbalanceinstitute.com) can give you trust me! if this is right for you than as soon as you see the page and here ejps voice the worrior inside you will call some way or another, that goes for any one on this site that is still searching or is not satisfied with other teachings. to use the psy wheel propaly its all about tonal and knowing how to truly move youre energy, if you shift enough and know how to move youre energy staying in non thought not only wil you move the wheel but you can move the table the chair and the cat... learn the foundation medetation nail it! and you will be suprised at what starts to live inside you, you can download some free modules on hbidynamics.com enjoy
i hope you find your path

youres tom whieldon
PsiSeeker
QUOTE (monkee257 @ Jan 3 2008, 10:36 PM) *
arwenpotter, i hae been learning for nearly two years, every thing you have to no hbi (www.higherbalanceinstitute.com) can give you trust me! if this is right for you than as soon as you see the page and here ejps voice the worrior inside you will call some way or another, that goes for any one on this site that is still searching or is not satisfied with other teachings. to use the psy wheel propaly its all about tonal and knowing how to truly move youre energy, if you shift enough and know how to move youre energy staying in non thought not only wil you move the wheel but you can move the table the chair and the cat... learn the foundation medetation nail it! and you will be suprised at what starts to live inside you, you can download some free modules on hbidynamics.com enjoy
i hope you find your path

youres tom whieldon


Arwen hasn't been around in a long time bro, if you want to contact her I suggest you send her a private message, she checks that from time to time. Lol, can't believe this thread is still alive, I was around when they made it tongue.gif.
mikescott
hi im new to telekinesis i have been practicing for one month and so far i can rolll a pencil along and make dice land on my number most of the time. Is this good progress? i also need help with cyro and electrokinesis. can any1 help?
Triad
Eight bits you have posted nothing to support your point you’re simply going on "add nausea" about how right you are no.gif If anything I was asking for a link from someone not related to the site in question which supported your point. Since you clearly can not provide any, the only conclusion I can reach is that your opinion lacks any real support. It was a simple requests eight bits any 8th grader could have figured that out.


Any thoughts?
Sporkling
QUOTE (mikescott @ Jan 6 2008, 04:09 PM) *
hi im new to telekinesis i have been practicing for one month and so far i can rolll a pencil along and make dice land on my number most of the time. Is this good progress? i also need help with cyro and electrokinesis. can any1 help?

yes its good progress. ANd for the help in cyro and electrokinesis you can search on yahoo.com. They have a lot of things there
PsychoSteve
I've been working on this for a while now. I'm getting some good results; i can move small things with enough concentration, which is good. But I've also started doing it with more power involentarily. E.g: I have an annoying brother, and he's always coming to my bedroom door and trying to annoy me. Once or twice, I;ve just been too annoyed and went :"GO AWAY!" at him, and the door just slams. Seems to be more powerful when I'm angry, which is kind of cool but annoying too.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (PsychoSteve @ Jan 21 2008, 10:05 AM) *
I've been working on this for a while now. I'm getting some good results; i can move small things with enough concentration, which is good. But I've also started doing it with more power involentarily. E.g: I have an annoying brother, and he's always coming to my bedroom door and trying to annoy me. Once or twice, I;ve just been too annoyed and went :"GO AWAY!" at him, and the door just slams. Seems to be more powerful when I'm angry, which is kind of cool but annoying too.

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Sporkling
QUOTE (PsychoSteve @ Jan 22 2008, 12:05 AM) *
I've been working on this for a while now. I'm getting some good results; i can move small things with enough concentration, which is good. But I've also started doing it with more power involentarily. E.g: I have an annoying brother, and he's always coming to my bedroom door and trying to annoy me. Once or twice, I;ve just been too annoyed and went :"GO AWAY!" at him, and the door just slams. Seems to be more powerful when I'm angry, which is kind of cool but annoying too.

Thats good but you have to work on controling it. More practise would help. I heard that strong emotions will get a skill to suddenly become stronger but don't let it get out of control. You won't like it.
mikescott
QUOTE (Electrokinesis is me @ Jan 17 2008, 07:41 PM) *
yes its good progress. ANd for the help in cyro and electrokinesis you can search on yahoo.com. They have a lot of things there

cool thanks! My best at EK so far is flickering small LEDs on and off and my best at CK is making my glass of water a leeeetle bit colder. I hope its not my imagination! grin2.gif
SteveLove
QUOTE (mikescott @ Jan 22 2008, 08:55 PM) *
cool thanks! My best at EK so far is flickering small LEDs on and off and my best at CK is making my glass of water a leeeetle bit colder. I hope its not my imagination! grin2.gif

Any chance you could upload a video of you flickering LEDs on and off?
TKtrainee
hello to all! happy.gif im new here.. im really interested in learning TK it just that i dont know where to start.. T_T can sumone help me?? plzzz..
mikescott
QUOTE (SteveLove @ Jan 23 2008, 05:21 PM) *
Any chance you could upload a video of you flickering LEDs on and off?

yup!! grin2.gif i will try to upload one onto youtube in the next few days. search up cool flickering led.
PyroJr123
QUOTE (arwenpotter @ Aug 11 2004, 04:49 PM) *
yeah i've been to your site its really good... but my wheels not getting anywhere... been at it two days.. lol im impatient tongue.gif but will it be easier if i meditate or create a psiball first OR make a smaller psiwheel??? How long did it take you tameer??
I really want to learn how to use TK but i dont know how to start and wat o start on. HELP!!!
Moro
QUOTE (PyroJr123 @ Mar 24 2008, 06:53 PM) *
I really want to learn how to use TK but i dont know how to start and wat o start on. HELP!!!

Type in Telekinesis in the search at the top of this forum. You will find all you need to know on this subject.
Heartagram3200
Oh, I guess I have to help huh? Lol, I'll send you a PM Pyro...Anything you need help with I should be able to assist you with to some degree....So yea, PM me...
Moro
QUOTE (Heartagram3200 @ Mar 24 2008, 09:02 PM) *
Oh, I guess I have to help huh? Lol, I'll send you a PM Pyro...Anything you need help with I should be able to assist you with to some degree....So yea, PM me...

Yes, it is so! Young padawan. yes.gif
supernova558
you can visit my sit to talk about this no threads wil gat locked http://psiball.wetpaint.com/
supernova558
i dont no wat happend but wen i was makein a psi ball i acsedentaly started daydreamin then there was a flash im confused wat hapend
Dayne
I have a friend who has this natural ability. She however, has no control over it, it seems strongest when she is enraged. Do you think these exercises would help her control her ability?
supernova558
prehaps(nods head sligtly)
supernova558
i practice this and it drains my energy so i have to energy for anger

...
supernova558
not that i need it
supernova558
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Dayne
I'll have to get her on this board. She's been searching for help in this area.
supernova558
eco(eco eco eco)
supernova558
good idea
supernova558
i started an fter school web site for this you want to no it
supernova558
here is the web site http://psiball.wetpaint.com/
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