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AztecInca

I was just wondering why nearly all(I`m sure some aren`t humanoid) the aliens that suposedly abduct people and visit earth are always humaniod in shape. Is it because they think that if they look like us they it will make us more comfortable around them or are they really humanoid. I really don't think that if there are aliens out their they are going to look anything like us at all. Their planet or wherever they evolved on would have to have near exact same conditions as earth and then still they could look entirely different.

I was just wondering what peoples thoughts were on this and if they have any info or theories that would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry if this has already been discussed. tongue.gif

Look forward to reading your thoughts on this subject. thumbsup.gif
Magikman
No doubt because people's perceptions and/or imaginations are entirely driven and greatly influenced by their exposure to the various media that perpetuated the 'humanoid' concept, whether it be books, television, or the movies.

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I really don't think that if there are aliens out their they are going to look anything like us at all.


Exactly, that's why its so easy to disbelieve and/or disregard just about every abduction story or alien sighting, they're so two dimensional and unimaginative. Every experience is gleaned from information half remembered from other sources and then enhanced or altered and adapted to suit their encounter. In reality, the occurrences are as fictional as the inspiration that provoked them. Its just that simple.
Q-La
Hmm probably be many forms of intelligent life forms out there.

May be the humanoid aliens are more interested in visiting us for some reasons?

1) Resemblance, thus medical research.

2) Social studies of bi-ped evolution.

3) A similar evolution environment that bring up humanoid, they are actually more interested in our planet.

4) We have common roots.

5) Its their vehicle (humanoid robot-car) and the usually slim form can fit into our society - press a button and the grey suit change into hmm You?
Ozmeister
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Exactly, that's why its so easy to disbelieve and/or disregard just about every abduction story or alien sighting, they're so two dimensional and unimaginative. Every experience is gleaned from information half remembered from other sources and then enhanced or altered and adapted to suit their encounter. In reality, the occurrences are as fictional as the inspiration that provoked them. Its just that simple.


Or is it??

Remember, we only have one example of biological evolution to study from.....Earth......and we just don't know what may be found on other planets. Yes, we will get aliens which are utterly bizarre, but not in every case and probably not in a majority of cases. Given a similarity of conditions such as atmospheric composition, percentage of free water, similar organic chemistry etc etc....even given the apparent randomness of evolution you will get some species taking similar paths to biological problems through convergent evolution. There are numerous examples here on Earth of such occurences. The apparent fact that the aliens by and large are humanoid is most likely a factor of convergent evolution on planets with similar environments. That they appear "unimaginative and two dimensional" would predicate more towards them being real than something outlandish. Just because they don't fit notions of what "should" be out there as a result of evolution and scientific opinion (remember that word) doesn't mean they don't exist in those forms (or couldn't exist in those forms). Frankly, the aliens could take whatever form they like.....hell, there's enough diversity here on Earth to bear this out. They could be humanoid, they could also look like an octopus or a sea urchin.....whatever. You can discount nothing, unless you know for certain that you can do so.

The problem stemming with aliens is having hard enough evidence to backup your claims. In most cases, unfortunately, you're not going to get it. Look at it this way.....let's say it's the year 2150 (for instance) and we've landed on a planet around a sunlike star 8000 light years away from here. The society that we find there is at the stage we are now, pre-warp era. We have to be careful still, as they can detect us and do have a reasonable technology. But even if we encountered anyone from that society, we're not going to go out of our way to give them evidence of our presence on their planet. It would be very prudent that we didn't, given the historical track record on this planet...at least not until their society was advanced enough to be able to move about in space as freely as we could and accept the possibility of alien civilisations. Even if there was a widespread belief in aliens on the planet, the poor person who had the evidence would never see a day's peace after the encounter and would still most likely be ridiculed by some.

It's easy to dismiss something out of hand when you don't have enough evidence to put a case forward either way. You maybe right......and there is certainly some reports which are most likely fantasies of the people who experience them, but to lump them all under "science fiction" or hallucinations/misinterpretations etc is a bad, bad mistake.
Althalus
Before the publication of 'The Andreasson Affair' in 1979, abductees claimed to have seen a wider range of alien creature types. Since then though, abductees have mostly described bug-eyed alien grays. It seems that before the 80's many different types of alien being were visiting the earth at the same time, and afterwards only one type has been coming down.

Before that the types of alien that were seen can be classified into 6 different types:

Type 1 - human entities, aliens that appear as humans such as Nordics.

Type 2 - humanoid entities, such as the little green and now gray men. And is amost always embryonic or feotal.

Type 3 - animal entities, rare but in latin american reports, where they are mammalian or reptilian types, they usually have claws, fur, a tail or scales.

Type 4 - robot entities, made from metallic or non-organic material and can sometimes float, they can be from 6 inches to 20 feet.

Type 5 - exotic entities, mutants and are a combination of 2 or more of the others.

Type 6 - apparitional entities, they can materialize and de-materialise at will, they can also change shape.
Chauncy
I think the humanoid type aliens were made from the same basic compounds as we are....additional compounds put into this basic mix will yield different characteristics.

There seems to be at least a basic pattern of creation, like the circle, why are the planets round, cell nuculi are round, atoms round, even our heads are round. This seems to be a basic structure of things.

Considering that this basic pattern seems to exist and we are a result of it, then I could see why there would be similarites between us and others that were created from this same pattern.

I'm sure there are non similar forms with different degrees of intelligence out there just as there is here in our environment.

It makes sense that a humanoid race would have an interest in human beings as a result of the obvious similarities.
Loonboy


Assuming that the humanoids reported to abduct people are aliens from another planet, then I don't think it's so strange that they would have humanoid characteristics.

Yes, life on the planet here is fantastically varied, but there are similarities, especially on land.

1: Most creatures have 2 eyes - to allow three-dimensional sight which increases survival of the self and the species (eg. birds, humans, primates, most fish, cats, dogs, etc.).

2: Most creatures have 2-4 limbs and quite a few have legs and arms - allowing movement from place to place and defensive action (eg. humans, monkeys, kangaroos, cats, dogs, bears etc.).

3: Most creatures have heads distinct from their bodies in which their prime senses are located (eg. all the above examples).

Any alien planet would have to have similar qualities to ours - gravity, light, predators, variety in terrain - all of which would produce the above characteristics over a period of evolution. alien.gif w00t.gif
Chris_com28
This reminds me of something that I saw in a psychology book. It showed how babies he their mother when they're only about 9 weeks old (at least I think so. It was a while ago and I was looking for something else at the time)
In the pictures I saw a very vauge white human head with two large dark patches where the eys should be. I thought that this looked quite a bit like the typical Grey alien that people report seeing. Maybe it's some kind of birth memory that I read about before and our minds just add more detail to the memory and so the Grey species is born.
Erikl
[QUOTE]Assuming that the humanoids reported to abduct people are aliens from another planet[CODE]
And what if they are not from another planet?
What if they are us - but from the future.
Or from a parallel dimension.
What if they didn't come from thousands of light years, but just from thousands years into the futue?
Althalus
Chris com28, that is a common thought, at a certain point in a pregnancy the feotus does look like a 'gray', in that it has a large head and dark slits for eyes.

Erikl, this is also another common thought regarding aliens, that they are either from the future, from the (far) past, or from another dimension.

The truth ois thought that no-one knows, or will ever know. Any or all of the theories may be correct or equally they may be wrong.
Chris_com28
Though that is interesting I was talking about how the baby see the mother. I'm guessing you did missunderstand me didn't you? I would have it to be the other way around.
So is there any theory about why this is so? Do they believe that we used to look like that because of our connection to Greys or greys look like that because we used to look like that?
Loonboy
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And what if they are not from another planet?
What if they are us - but from the future.
Or from a parallel dimension.
What if they didn't come from thousands of light years, but just from thousands years into the futue?


Yes. What if? huh.gif
Fox_Mulder

I always found this interesting, why aliens are always "huminoid". Sometimes I think they are, and like Magikman said, the stories are so unimaginative, that they're hard to believe.

Now forgive if I don't say this right; I'm not very articulate myself, but why when we hear these stories of the aliens, and see pictures, and hear decriptions of them being humanoid, we want to dismiss it?

We're turning down the fantasmicle because it's not fantasmicle enough.

Understand what I'm saying? dontgetit.gif

Not saying that everyone does this, just some. Whenever I discuss this with some people they always say, "Well, why would the aliens look like us?"

And I always say, "Why not?"

Just a thought.
Chauncy
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We're turning down the fantasmicle because it's not fantasmicle enough.


I believe that this notion should be considered with some cases of alleged alien phenomenon. Sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct one.

Just because it is the obvious answer doesn't mean it will be arrived at quickly. Nor does it mean that the obvious answer should be taken first without further investigation.

Untill conclusive answers are exhibited, whether aliens exist will remain a mystery, it most certainly is NOT an impossiblity.
STIX
Being a biped, having the hands as we do...it allows us to manipulate our environment easily. why is a bubble round? because the shape is "perfect" and all bubbles are round, regardless of what planet they are on. so what makes you think that an intelligent species would not evolve to be a bi-ped? it is simply the best body for creating and manipulating various objects, which is essential to the development of structures and creation of technology.
aquatus1
QUOTE (STIX @ Jun 14 2004, 04:06 PM)
Being a biped, having the hands as we do...it allows us to manipulate our environment easily. why is a bubble round? because the shape is "perfect" and all bubbles are round, regardless of what planet they are on. so what makes you think that an intelligent species would not evolve to be a bi-ped? it is simply the best body for creating and manipulating various objects, which is essential to the development of structures and creation of technology.

I disagree. I feel that I would be able to accomplish more faster if I had a few extra limbs. Also, I would like them to be prehensile, like an octopuses tentacles, and with two opposing thumbs, instead of just one, which would allow me to tie my shoes with one hand.

Seriously, what the heck makes you think our form is so darn perfect? And even if it was, what makes you think we had a choice in what we were going to look like?
Chauncy
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I disagree. I feel that I would be able to accomplish more faster if I had a few extra limbs.


It is this thought that, I believe, had to have happened sometime in our evolutionary journey. Not exactly this desire, but we must have realized that we could increase our chances of survival by utilizing our bodies differently.

Over millenia of this altered behaviour being learned taught and mastered our bodies may very well have adjusted physically to adapt to our new iniatives.

This then leads me to believe that the reason for our bipedial body structure is a direct result of our intelligence, for if we hadn't the brain power to devise a method to use our bodies more effectively or recognized the need to, then we wouldn't have survived in the manner which we have.

Not saying this realization was thought about and premeditated but was an intelligent adaptation to our environment......it was bound to happen as a result of our cognitive skills and problem solving abilities.

The Humanoid aliens must have done the same thing in their evolutionary journey. Now it would seem then that they may not use their bodies in the same ways as we do, the lack of muscle(greys) indicates that there is no need for labor in their environment...telekenesis maybe, or lower gravity.


Falco Rex
...Or slaves.
Chauncy
Slaves eh.......I was hoping that it was only a human indecency. Hopefully alien societies do not consist of divisions as ours do. If they do and they have some of our own characteristics and tendencies then we could be in for some trouble if by chance they are superior, or even worse, inferior but with advanced technolgy. laugh.gif
the master theologian
There are lots of ideas.
Would you believe that humanoid
creatures from outer space
were predicted over 5000
years ago?
AztecInca
Who predicted this Norman? which civilsation?

Thanks to everyone who put in their opinons and theories, they were all very interesting and thought provoking. thumbsup.gif
SerenitysRiver
QUOTE (aquatus1 @ Jun 16 2004, 02:18 AM)
QUOTE (STIX @ Jun 14 2004, 04:06 PM)
. . . .so what makes you think that an intelligent species would not evolve to be a bi-ped? it is simply the best body for creating and manipulating various objects, which is essential to the development of structures and creation of technology.

I once asked my dad why all aliens seemed to be bipedal in reports/movies. (I thought it just sounded very unimaginative.) He gave a similiar answer: he said that other non-bipedal creatures would not be able to manipulate their space craft or develop the tools needed as the base for higher technology.

We debated it for a while, because I, for one, do not see our anatomy as being extraordinarily superior. We are very vulnerable to outside conditions. We cannot run very fast, we are left in a constant upright position that leaves our internal organs vulnerable (all it takes is a deep hit from the side/front/back and we're screwed. . . .), etc. Now, I know that these are things that an alien would not necissarily need. . . . though they are fairly crutial for survival if their environment resembled our food-chain driven communities at all. But our bipedal structure is not what makes us superior when it comes to technology and intellect. Our brains are what make us, and any alien that could make its way to our planet, superior.
the master theologian
My job is to make the seekers
curious to the point where they
will give up their own theories,
and unexplained-mysteries, and
will believe one who has seen
the truth.

Answer to AztecInca:

The most mystrious manuscripts
from the Middle East. It is said
that the first five parts of the
message are written by the very
beings you so call:
"Aliens from outer space"

Now, don't misunderstand me.
I do believe in aliens. But is it
not selfish for an intelligent human
being to believe that he is
the only intelligence in the universe?

I think it is.
moe eubleck
moe cant understand
why anyone would write
sentences like poetry
verses or song lyrics.

" whats the deal?"

This makes reading
very difficult . Moe
wonder if you are trying
to cover for you lack of
punctuation.
" what planet are you from ?"

We also wonder if
Norman is even
aware of the fact that
he is writing this way.

I dont think he does.
SerenitysRiver
it does make it strange
and harder to read
and yet its so fun
when you really get into it
Chris_com28
Yay, Hiku time!
Yes I think it's fun
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It is quite fun actually.
Hiku! Excuse me I've got a cold.
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BurnSide
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Tess
Maybe they're humanoid because they have been altering their DNA...mixing it with ours....maybe they started out looking like crickets or ants or something and then evolved.
sarah
Good one Tess. I like your theory,

Sarah alien.gif
STIX
yah I had a post about the dropa stoneas about 4 or 5 months ago.

About.com

Another story about the dropa stones

pictures at bottom of page
the master theologian
Answer to moe eubleck:

I am not sure what you mean.
I am not very developed
in communication. I am also
slow to respond. Please
forgive me if I make any
mistakes. However,
I can provide answers to your
questions.

So, why are they humanoid?
Why seek the answers from
humans when you can ask them?
I have already asked that same
question and have recieved an
answer. However, if you expect
an answer, you must know that
it is a rather long and complex answer
hidden within one simple sentence.
Do you wish to know?
sarah
Yay,

I have just noticed that I am no longer an embryo I am a grown up extra terrestrial.
Sorry about that but it is most exciting moment of the day.

That was an interesting post regarding the Dropa stones. I wonder if there are any photos of the dropa and Han tribe.


Sarah alien.gif
the master theologian
Okay.. I guess nobody wants to know why these "aliens" are
humanoid anymore. I'll just this revelation to myself then.
moe eubleck
please share this Norman. you have already taken your share of abuse. I promise to protect you from the evil skeptics. thumbsup.gif
spidermonkey
I think it would depend on the conditions necessary to spark life. If life can only occur on earth-like planets then it could be possible for aliens to be of humanoid shape... On the other hand, humans have evolved an upright stance because of the sudden climatical chamges in africa. Forests were destroyed and plains formed, thus giving a taller organism more of an advantage for seeing into the distance, and conserving energy for movement. What is more likely is that aliens have opposable thumbs, or some sort of extremity which allows them to manipulate objects.

Though i believe it is possible, take the example of parallel evolution for instance, the emu and the ostrich have no common ancestors, but because of similar environmental pressures they have evolved to look rather similar. Other examples include the bilby and rabbit and the echidna and hedgehog.
the master theologian
As I have said before. In other words.. We are the victims!!!
Why are we humanoid? Oh, my friends, my friends, my friends...
Its because they are humanoid. original.gif

Oh, hey! I just got some news that'll knock your
american socks off! I have a friend named Joe,
and he found government documents that state
that Michael Jackson is a hybrid alien! He, I mean
"IT" is a 'Grey' hybrid that was taken from his earth
mother when he was 3, and has been castrated in
an underground facility. They have injected Michael
with a drug that changes his appearance every 20 years!
Scientists say that he has 2 stages to go through before
self-destruction. He has one more stage left before it all ends.
He was born black but now, he looks white. After he gets
out of prison, we may expect him to look Chinese or
Hispanic, or both!!!! This hybrid is on the loose to take
away our children and show them the evil side of the universe!!!!
I don' know which part Joe made up but, I know that
he is a relyable source. wink2.gif
FreyKade
maybe they are humanoid because we are just one big science experiment to a superior race. they could have some how found a way of reversig gene mutationa nd wanted to see if they could create a civilisation ...and see if it would end up like theirs.

the master theologian
Yeah... Or maybe the reason is love.
God created us in His own image
or if no love was involved...
"maybe they are humanoid because we are just one big science experiment to a superior race. they could have some how found a way of reversig gene mutationa and wanted to see if they could create a civilisation ...and see if it would end up like theirs."

See? We just call them aliens because we don't know
them. We know of them but not personally.
FreyKade
of course we only know of them and not know them...else we wouldnt be discussing why ets appear humanoid.
STIX
They arent humaniod, they're are alienoid...
Plat
Some could be humanoid right?
Plat
i think there will be some humanoid alien races out there, you know, 2 legs (walks upright), 2 arms, a torso, a head (not too big), a mouth, a nose, 2 ears, 2 eyes, reproductive organs, organs, maybe even hair?
Plat
are these believable aliens

user posted image

http://www.angelfire.com/anime4/jcbaggeedb...ss5gokupage.htm

just forget the human clothes, imagine some fur, spikes, tails
Pyrothius
How do we know that they don't appear humanoid because we wish them to appear humanoid? I for one, would have a much harder time dealing with them if they looked, for instance, like a huge fly...
Uncle Meat
alien.gif user posted image alien.gif

when will we ever get the real answer? i hope sometime in our lifetimes....
Uncle Meat
another thought....

maybe we're the humanoid aliens?

......dont listen to me
cyberbud2000
all intelligent lifeforms "appear" as humanoids because the human brain, if we saw a true alien, would not even be able to start to comprehend the true form of the being or whatever. Has anyone ever read the book "sphere" by michael chrichton? that explains it alot
ames2787
I think aliens probably aren't humanoid but have the ability to change their form so that we won't be as freaked out, as they have seen how much we are freaked out by them as it is, let alone if they were some grotesque looking thing!

I saw a bit of a crappy movie last night at about 2am called alien love about an alien that comes to earth and inhabits the bodies of humans and has a strange desire for paprika lol, but in his real form he was a lot like a blob, but hey, dodgy film so not exactly reliable lol, tee hee

Ames grin2.gif
Plat
but there has to be some humanoid aliens out there
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