Montclair
Aug 16 2004, 05:34 AM
Is it true that one of the big pyramids in Egypt does not have any heroglyphs writen inside?
colorless
Aug 16 2004, 05:44 AM
Are you talking about the
Pyramids of Giza?
Montclair
Aug 16 2004, 05:52 AM
Yeah! Thanks for the link.
colorless
Aug 16 2004, 05:59 AM
No problem. There's a few other pyramid with no hieroglyphs. I can try finding some sites if you're interested.
Montclair
Aug 16 2004, 04:48 PM
Out of total number of Egyptian pyramids,how many are without any hieroglyphs ?
This is so intriguing ,it would sugest that some of the pyramids were build by someone else and earlier.
aquatus1
Aug 16 2004, 04:50 PM
Either that or that it was considered wrong by the culture to write inside pyramids.
BurnSide
Aug 16 2004, 04:55 PM
Would you want someone to write graffiti on the inside of your coffin or tomb?
Montclair
Aug 16 2004, 05:31 PM
| QUOTE (BurnSide @ Aug 16 2004, 05:55 PM) |
| Would you want someone to write graffiti on the inside of your coffin or tomb? |
When I'm dead who cares what they do to my so called "tomb"
Anyway, I just want to know more about pyramids and hieroglyps .Some have them others do not, very strange indeed.
BurnSide
Aug 16 2004, 05:33 PM
That maybe your opinion in this day and age, but back then the opinion may have been different.
That's what i think.
mickyboy
Aug 16 2004, 06:19 PM
the pyramids at giza were originally covered with a facing stone to give them a true startling facade which was supposedly covered in all manner of heiroglyphics, but they were taken off out of neceesity to the population, they built sh** with them
colorless
Aug 16 2004, 08:20 PM
More on the Pyramids of Giza
Link 1Link 2Pyramid of the Moon (Mexico)
Pyramid of the Sun and Moon If you're not interested in the Pyramid of the Sun, search (CTRL+F) for "hieroglyphs" and it'll bring you right to the part about the Pyramid of the Moon
the master theologian
Aug 17 2004, 03:37 PM
I think that pyramids could NOT have been built by humans. When considering the structure and the accuracy of aligments and the perciseness of it all, its just impossible to think that a bunch of hebrew slaves built it.
"Over one hundred pyramids were discovered by two Australian traders on the plains of Qin Chuan in Central China at the turn of the century. The custodian of a local monastery, when asked about them, said that according to records 5,000 years old housed in the monastery, the pyramids were themselves very old. The traders were told that the pyramids belonged to an age when the "old emperors" reigned in China and that the emperors always stressed the fact that they did not originate on Earth. Rather, they were the descendants of the "sons of heaven, who roared down to this planet on their fiery metallic dragons". Legends from the area mention "ugly, yellowish, and skinny beings with big heads that came down from heaven a long, long time ago"! Most of the pyramids are between 100 and 300 feet, but the awesome Great White Pyramid is 1000 feet high with a 1500 foot base. The construction of the Chinese Pyramids is similar to Teotihuacán. They are made of piled earth with stepped sides, rather than the spectacular engineering of Khufu, and the tops of most of them are flattened."
-Patric Cooke
aquatus1
Aug 17 2004, 05:58 PM
| QUOTE |
| I think that pyramids could NOT have been built by humans. When considering the structure and the accuracy of aligments and the perciseness of it all, its just impossible to think that a bunch of hebrew slaves built it. |
What exactly is it about the structure and alignment and precision about the pyramids that put them beyond human ability? They are hardly perfect, and while certainly respectable for their age, nothing as accurate as what we have now. You do not believe that the architects of the time, well-up to the far more complex challenge of building massive temples, could design a relatively simple pyramid?
Montclair
Aug 17 2004, 07:07 PM
On different topic but still around Pyramids:I think head of the Sphinx looks to small in proportion to the rest of the body.
aquatus1
Aug 17 2004, 07:22 PM
Definitely. It's almost a given that it used to be an animal of some sort, probably a lion, prior to being recarved as a woman.
thewicked1
Aug 17 2004, 09:57 PM
the head of the sphinx controversy is one of the reasons why some people think they're older than the egyptians, but I thought it was the face of the pharoh not a woman. Plus with the pyramids why aren't the other smaller pyramids as well done if the biggest two were so well made why not the others on a smaller scale.
Stellar
Aug 17 2004, 10:50 PM
| QUOTE |
"ugly, yellowish, and skinny beings with big heads that came down from heaven a long, long time ago"
|
That legend was probably (well, in most probabiliby) passed down by the people who wrote the dropa stone.
Draco5832000
Aug 18 2004, 05:45 PM
The Egyptian
did build the pyramids, and every one of them has heiroglyphs on the inside. If there is any conflict of the subgect, remember, the pyramids were a hard task and it is possible that Khufu or who-ever's pyramid you say has no writing, had died before the interior work could be finnished... but it is highly doubtfull.
Though I repeat, the pyramids were built by the Egyptians and it is now known every which, way, and how.
The Egyptians are a very special people to me, please do not take from them their greatest accomplishment.
Stellar
Aug 18 2004, 07:30 PM
| QUOTE (Draco5832000 @ Aug 18 2004, 06:45 PM) |
The Egyptian did build the pyramids, and every one of them has heiroglyphs on the inside. If there is any conflict of the subgect, remember, the pyramids were a hard task and it is possible that Khufu or who-ever's pyramid you say has no writing, had died before the interior work could be finnished... but it is highly doubtfull. Though I repeat, the pyramids were built by the Egyptians and it is now known every which, way, and how. The Egyptians are a very special people to me, please do not take from them their greatest accomplishment. |
Please, if you dont know much about the subject, dont comment. I have heard that there is infact a hieroglyphless pyramid in Egypt. Also, it is NOT known every which way and how the pyramids were built.
People arent gonna stop talking here just because it might hurt your impression of them.
xanubia
Aug 18 2004, 07:34 PM
| QUOTE (aquatus1 @ Aug 17 2004, 06:58 PM) |
| What exactly is it about the structure and alignment and precision about the pyramids that put them beyond human ability? They are hardly perfect, and while certainly respectable for their age, nothing as accurate as what we have now. You do not believe that the architects of the time, well-up to the far more complex challenge of building massive temples, could design a relatively simple pyramid? |
lol. Pyramids are not simple. People question who built them because even with modern technology, rebuilding the pyramids of Giza would be a daunting task. Each block weighed an average of two tons. All of the angles, all of the measurements are precise. I am pretty sure that the builders were human, there is a lot of evidence supporting that. There is also logic as to why 20,000 farmers would spend three months of every year working on the pyramids. The earlier pyramids may not be perfect, but the later ones have come remarkably close as Egyptian architects mastered the art. It is even more impressive of a task considering the tools and the resourses the Egyptians had at their disposal.
Draco5832000
Aug 18 2004, 07:50 PM
HELLO!!! DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE SUBGECT!? THIS IS MY PROFESSION, AND I OFFERED AN EXAMPLE OF THE REASON THAT THERE COULD BE NO WRITING!! I'M EXTREAMLY OFFENDED!
AND, I WAS ONLY ASKING FOR SIMPLE CURTISY!
IN FACT, HERE ARE A FEW WORDS IN THE ACTUAL ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE!!
M K REKH NEN M IB M KEMET!! NEN NEM DJED MEDOO SET IP HENA IR!!
aquatus1
Aug 18 2004, 08:27 PM
| QUOTE |
| lol. Pyramids are not simple. People question who built them because even with modern technology, rebuilding the pyramids of Giza would be a daunting task. Each block weighed an average of two tons. All of the angles, all of the measurements are precise. |
The design of the pyramids, compared to the design of, say, the Temple Of Khufu, are indeed much simpler, both in engineering and in architecture. As for two-ton blocks, when one takes the proper measures, they can be easily moved by a single person. And the angles are precise, to the extent they could be when using marking ropes to make them. I agree that it was humans that built them. I agree that it was a monumental task for them. I simply do not regard them in any way shape or form to be beyond anything that we have the capability of replicating, given enough money.
the master theologian
Aug 18 2004, 08:35 PM
| QUOTE |
| The Egyptian did build the pyramids... |
The basic quantifiable mysteries are size, height, weight.
1. They are very big. The pyramid of Cheops measures about 140 meters, weighs about 6.500.000 tons. The base makes 230 x 230 meters.
2. They are made of 2.5 (sic!) ton blocks.
3. The surface of blocks did not crack along layers after thousands of years of exposure to wind and sun.
4. The seams between blocks are very fine, about 1 mm.


PS: I think the drawings are funny.
Stellar
Aug 18 2004, 09:01 PM
| QUOTE (Draco5832000 @ Aug 18 2004, 08:50 PM) |
HELLO!!! DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE SUBGECT!? THIS IS MY PROFESSION, AND I OFFERED AN EXAMPLE OF THE REASON THAT THERE COULD BE NO WRITING!! I'M EXTREAMLY OFFENDED! AND, I WAS ONLY ASKING FOR SIMPLE CURTISY! IN FACT, HERE ARE A FEW WORDS IN THE ACTUAL ANCIENT EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE!!
M K REKH NEN M IB M KEMET!! NEN NEM DJED MEDOO SET IP HENA IR!! |
Well I'm sorry if I offended you, but you did state that its highly unlikely that there is a pyramid without hieroglyphs. You also stated that it is known exactly which way and how the pyramids were built, when infact it is not.
And what, is that last part supposed to insult me? I can write down a few words from another language you probably dont know too.
Draco5832000
Aug 19 2004, 02:38 PM
It says, if you don't know the heart of Egypt, Don't talk about her dreams and great works.
Sorry if I got a little angry. I don't know everything, and am open to possibilities. I havn't focused on the buildings so much as I have on the people.
You have my direst of apologies. Egypt is a touchy subgect for me. Everyone seems to jump to conclusions on them, and I love them so much.
I won't come back here again.
the master theologian
Aug 19 2004, 03:03 PM
Draco5832000, I have nothing against the people of ancient Egypt.
its just.... do you know the song "Let my people go", and "Pharaoh
has a heart of stone"... They were mean to those poor Hebrew slaves.
I think if you're that concerned about people you should see who
really was the 'bad guy' in Egypt. The dude who said it is morning or
night when he sais so... Ha! what if he slept in? I mean, I think he was
a mean dude. Now, I don't know about the rest of th egyptians but...
I still think they did't have the building knowledge and EVEN madpower
to build such things as those MASSIVE pyramids. IF they did get
knowledge on HOW to build a pyramid, it must have been from some
higher power.
aquatus1
Aug 19 2004, 03:20 PM
Wait a minute, building a pyramid is, engineering-wise, a much simpler affair than building the many temples that are found through Egypt. Are you saying that all these temples had extraterrestrial help as well?
Architecture has been around for thousands of years. I don't think you are giving the ancient Egyptians the due credit they deserve for how far their science was advanced. What exactly is it about the pyramids makes it so difficult to believe they are beyond the abilities of mankind? Not simply the size, I hope.
alis
Aug 19 2004, 03:20 PM
i have a few greek friends who believe that the ancient greeks came to egypt and helped build the pyramids. apparently all the mathematics involved at the timing of them being built was known only by the greeks, well thats what my friends say anyway, i dont know where they get their information from though. apparently the pyramids were specially designed not to cast shadows, and that was something the ancient greeks were apparently aware of how to create, along with the astronomy of where to position them in relation to the constellations. im not sure though, although i know that at one time the greeks occupied egypt.
Stellar
Aug 19 2004, 03:26 PM
| QUOTE (Draco5832000 @ Aug 19 2004, 03:38 PM) |
It says, if you don't know the heart of Egypt, Don't talk about her dreams and great works.
Sorry if I got a little angry. I don't know everything, and am open to possibilities. I havn't focused on the buildings so much as I have on the people.
You have my direst of apologies. Egypt is a touchy subgect for me. Everyone seems to jump to conclusions on them, and I love them so much.
I won't come back here again. |
Well, I'm sorry too if you misunderstood what I was saying. I never meant to imply that it was aliens who built the pyramids, I am simply saying that right now we dont know full well how the pyramids were built, and that leaves the discussions about them open to anything, and theres no real reason we cant discuss the possibilities. Some of the things are rather absurd, but if the convo remains civil, I dont think theres reason to stop it.
Mel
Aug 19 2004, 06:53 PM
| QUOTE (Draco5832000 @ Aug 18 2004, 08:50 PM) |
| HELLO!!! DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE SUBGECT!? THIS IS MY PROFESSION, |
Hey Draco5832000 if you're still around I was a bit curious regarding your profession. I see that you were born in 1988 and was wondering if you were an Egyptologist or exactly what your profession or educational background is. You obviously have a great passion for things Egyptian and I admire that.
BurnSide
Aug 19 2004, 06:59 PM
I feel that for it to be your profession, you would have to be A: not a child and B: having passed simple grammer and spelling.
Your credibility rating just took a major plummet Draco. If you do come back, don't expect us to ever believe a word you say.
the master theologian
Aug 19 2004, 08:12 PM
| QUOTE |
Are you saying that all these temples had extraterrestrial help as well?
|
I find it a possiblity that extra-terrestials placed them there as well as some other
landmarks and wonders that could not have been made by man back then with
those undeveloped tools and knowledge. Perhaps extra-terrestail did introduce
architecture to mankind. It makes me think. I mean we were pretty dumb back
then, ok? Admit it! Pharaoh says: put fly dung on your wounds and you'll be
cured!

Ever heard of the Nazca Lines? Go check it out. I don't
know any good websites, but I've seen pictures from a book.
aquatus1
Aug 19 2004, 08:48 PM
I'm extremely familiar with the Nazca lines. My father is from Peru, and I have gone both to Nazca and Ica on various occasions. I certainly hope you are not going to claim that the pictures on the ground require any sort of inconceivable knowledge or technology to fashion.
You underestimate the intelligence of ancient man. The Egyptians most certainly did not recommend dung for wounds; they recommended honey. They had an advanced system of medicine and were the first people to recognize honey's antibiotic properties, to say nothing of the idea that illnesses and diseases weren't necessarily mystical in origin. In fact, had we not known about Hippocrates before hand, modern-day doctors might well be taking the Imhotepian Oath at graduation.
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