The Great UFO Hoax, by psychologist Gregory M. Kanon, claims to offer the final solution to the greatest scientific/cultural quarrel of our time, the identity of the unidentified. (Why psychologists are especially prone to thinking they've found the final solution to any and every mystery itself a bit of mystery, if you think about it) According to Kanon, the U.S. military has consciously and deliberatley manufactured and manipulated the UFO "hoax" from the end of World War II. The Roswell UFO Crash, for instance, was a deliberate bit of stage magic misdirection: First, alowed this astounding report to circulate across the nation, and then offered a lame and limping alternative story, and nobody belives it even now; defenders of orthodoxy have invent more plasible versions of the air force yarns for them. In the atmosphere, every kind of paranoia flourishes and thats the intent. The government needs fear of extraterrestrials to justify even-higher military budgets, in case we ever run out of human enemies.

i dont know, one part of me think UFO's and abduction stories are all just made up and one part of me thinks that it might be true

people often argue on this subject. i have read the book but my opinion is differnet. the way i look at it, what are the chances that out of the countless planets out there, earth is the only planet with life. i also think that some planets use to be like earth and then became a barren wasteland like earth will in a long time

Another oppinion. another angle to ponder. Even though we all are aware of the
devious and contemptable doings of the federal Govt. There are far too many
" real " peoples versions of events to not be given the most realistic look at what the truth really is. I for one will continue to do so.

This is what i believe. I saw a documentary on this a short while ago. Basically the military had the perfect alibi, they created a UFO rumour so they didn't have to worry about people seeing their craft in test flights. This documentary also showed some of the technology behind these UFOs.

Oh hogwash. I bet this dude never saw a UFO.

I agree, It seems that anything that "science" cannot explain they dismiss or use other forms of explanations. Mankind in general likes to dismiss possibilities that are beyond our comprehension. Scientists and skeptics don't like to believe that there are possibly other forms of life that are more evolved than we are. We look at ourselves as the most evolved beings. There are so many galaxies and other planets that even we today don't know about today, but we dismiss the fact there could be life on them?-- I think it's ignorance and lack of knowledge.

Although i believed on the existence of UFO's, for me it won't just CRASHED.
And i think the aliens are giving us warnings indirectly. Indirectly because they don't want to be totally exposed. If there are many sightings on one country, it may mean that country was in danger of something. They might also be trying to tell us that nuclear facilities are not good. They used their finger not their mouth on telling us warnings. They might be governed by rules of their own not to mingle
with humans affair. Abductions...etc might be a different story.

AGREED

Beleive in the UFO's. Beleive that what happened at Roswell was an alien craft. Beielve that those strange lights over the Nevada skies are not the B-2 and F-117a, beleive that they are UFO's. Beleive in the UFO's. That is exactly what the government wants you to think. The more you say government cover up and UFO crashes, the bigger their smiles get at how gulibble the public is.

Doesn't that mean (according to your statement) there actually is a government conspiracy involving UFO's

Vimjams

Don't mistake a UFO with an alien aircraft....UFO's are PROVEN to exist, whether they are alien or human, it is an UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT. If no one knows what it is, it's a UFO.

And if the government did do this just to cover up testing on other aircrafts or whatever the reason, despite how it started or for whatever reason it started, the belief in extraterrestial life is now widespread throughout the world and it's very very very unlikely that homosapiens are the only living creatures in a uiverse that when you look at Earth, it might as well not exist.

"i have read the book but my opinion is differnet. the way i look at it, what are the chances that out of the countless planets out there, earth is the only planet with life"

This is an all-too COMMON opinion... one that goes back for decades. Back when the Earthlings had not yet explored their solar system, there were endless tales about how we shouldn't be surprised to find life on our moon, as well as on all of the nearby planets. Then, one by one, they were discovered to be barren, even extremely hostile, lifeless rocks. Some are now being speculated to only be giant clouds of gas and dust, with no solid core whatsoever. So the search for alien life is being pushed further out into the universe. The idea that there are "countless planets out there" is based on fantasy, NOT fact, because there are NO known planets beyond our solar system. NONE. And the insistence that there "must be" is just speculation inspired by wishful thinking. One might as well still believe in The Man On The Moon. To take a brief look at the impossibility of visitors from outer space, it has been estimated that the nearest star (which MIGHT have orbiting planets- and might NOT) is so far away that it would require a journey of FIVE HUNDRED YEARS... if traveling at the speed of light!!!!! Science fiction usually takes over at this point, as The Faithful refuse to abandon their religion of Little Green Men (it IS a religion, based purely on belief), so they make up more tales, insisting that the laws of physics somehow do not apply to travelers from outer space. But they wouldn't be called "Laws" if they weren't LAWS. And actual creatures made of actual matter, regardless of how "advanced" they may be, do not streak through the Earth's atmosphere, come to an abrupt halt, and zip off again in the opposite direction, in the blink of an eye! Not without their purple, glowing GUTS being flung out across the sky!!!! Laws are laws. Facts are facts. Science FICTION is NOT science FACT.

Planets outside of the solar system, called extrasolar planetary bodies, have only been known for about 10 years. Within that time frame nearly 140 different planets have been confirmed as existing(officially that is, nearly 125 more still need to be confirmed) with 5% of them having sizes which could support life and with several of them having water and earth like orbits. There used to be a time that galaxies were unknown and simply could not exist but once they were discovered, less than one hundred years ago I might add, everyone started seeing them and it is now known that there are more galaxies in the universe than stars in the Milky Way, which number around 200,000,000,000. Just think of how many we will know about in 75 years(for a total of 85 years which equals the amount of time we've known about galaxies)?

Laws are laws but they have much room for expansion and are doing so every few years. Also, if the graviton emissions of a body are suppressed, that body will not feel resistance against the fabric of space and therefore will not undergo inertial forces due to high acceleration.

Infact you're wrong. There are known extrasolar planets... And please... you mean to tell me that PLANETS are a rare thing which, in all the cosmos, only appeared around Sol?



No, its inspired by "It happened to us, that means it can happen again."

Whether it has happened is the question though, not whether it can happen.

For instance, life spawned on Earth... that means it at least can happen on another planet... BUT, if the chances of life arising are so astronomically high, maybe it didnt happen yet.



Umm... The nearest star is 4.3 lightyears away (~)... that means that it would take 4.3 years to get here travelling at the speed of light...

Plus, it taking along time for interstellar travel does not mean that there is no alien life...



Not really. Wormholes are theorised to possibly exist... and using wormholes, well, interstellar travel becomes much more managable.

This is not against the laws of physics neither, btw... its science.



Im not sure... but if you applied a strong gravitational force in the same direction as the new direction of the craft... wouldnt that kind of nullify that inertial effect?

well you know, this could also just be disinformation itself...

i still think it's possible that we're being visisted...we don't know what kind of technology an alien race would have, they could have gone beyond wormholes for all we know...

it's still a possibility to me anyways

Oh thats right, I forgot the U.S. military and government exsisted in Ancient and Middle Ages times when UFO's were seen and often drawn in backrounds of paintings. Guys it was just the U.S. government back then!

I must say that I tend to agree more with Skeptik. In spite of all the posturing and pretense, there is not a lot of objectivity being demonstrated here. (Absolutely shocking to find on a website more or less devoted to alien worship.) Most of you obviously have made up your minds on this subject and are more interested in sharing your hopes and dreams, but I do not wish to lie to myself, and have little trouble in approaching it without the baggage of preconceived ideas. Other than those facts which have been proven by observable conditions (i.e. "science"), of course. There are a lot of ludicrous claims made on this page, like saying that "since UFOs aren't identified", that itself somehow becomes "PROOF that they are real" (the same logic as, "we KNOW that there must be "Missing Links" because we haven't found any yet"!!!), but for all of the ranting and raving, there isn't much actually being said. For instance: it is easy enough to research (if you have an open mind), and the fact IS that there are NO known planets outside our solar system, just anomalies (like "shadows" or "wobbles") that cause the hopeful astronomers to BELIEVE so. Going on to assert that the Omnipotent Space Beings simply "must" exist, and have Onboard Automatic Directional Gravity Generators (so that they can show off and do COOL sky-stunts) is not exactly "proving" anything at all, is it? Furthermore, travel at light speed is, as far as can be known, a ridiculous fantasy. The Laws of Physics simply make it an impossibility, especially if it was to be continued for a period of years. (Or are we only allowed to invoke Physics when it HELPS our beloved Aliens to get here?) Putting aside the hurdle of living through such an ordeal, how could enough fuel ever be acquired to propel a solid vehicle at such speed, and then be carried along for the trip? Naturally, someone will opine that these extraterrestrials have already solved those problems, as well as the cure for AIDS and premature baldness, because they are so much more "advanced". But, again, this is only wishful thinking, and has no basis in reality. Even if you were able travel at half the speed of light, how could anyone map out the enormous distance so that they didn't encounter any stray comets or asteroids? Because one little Space Pebble should be enough, at those speeds, to rip through and destroy any craft. Insisting that The Aliens use superior materials or have invented force fields (yet another energy drain) is NOT an answer, just more fiction added to your fairy tale. And what is it that makes these creatures so fascinated with Earthlings that they will spend five (or ten or twenty) years, going in one direction, just to give somebody a rectal exam??? I would really like some of you tireless UFO defenders to put your fertile imaginations to work on that one. (Maybe those Advanced Space Beings just require a teaspoon of human fecal matter to fuel their return voyage.) The invoking of "worm holes" is just another pathetic excuse to make it easier for the Little Green Men to find us... nobody in the real world has any evidence that such a thing exists, outside of the minds of those Theoretical Physicists. I've read quite a bit of their convoluted Theoretical ramblings, and everything after the word "IF" can be discounted as science fiction. Since they ARE dealing in IMAGINARY scenarios (-did you notice the word THEORETICAL in there?). And that word "IF" is found in the very first sentence. (It often amazes me how so many of you are eager to mock "religious" people for their faith, but look at the way that you cling to fantasy and every shred of hearsay to prop up YOUR empty little religion of BLIND FAITH.) Anyway, I don't wish to interfere any further, so feel free to spin your ever-changing yarns about those wonderful Men From Mars, and convince yourselves that they are going to come knocking on your apartment door (as soon as they can figure out how to work Mapquest), and you can finally say to the stunned world, 'SEE? I TOLD YOU SO."

Myself, I'm not holding my breath.

Umm... its true... UFO=Unidentified Flying Object. It could be a bird, it could be a plane, hell, it could be a rock with wings... if its in the air seemingly flying, and is not identified, it becomes a UFO until it is identified.



Umm, no... There are identified extrasolar planets...

http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/

Gee... you said that with a little bit of research, you'd find there's no extrasolar planets known to exist... Looks like you havent done your research. Gee... how embarassing.



Would you rather we say 99.9% of the speed of light?

People say say "travelling at the speed of light" instead of "travelling at 99.9% the speed of light" for the same reason that the speed of light is said to be 300k m/s. Its not, its actually slightly below that.



Actually, you'll find that many of the die hard believers here dont even go against the laws of physics. They dont really say that UFOs travel FTL.



High resolution radar with signals strong enough to give ample warning.



Oh no? Such things are covered by Einstein. Its a scientific theory, so it has all the credibility it deserves. Its not a pathetic excuse at all. Take a course on physics and then tell me that the most physicists dont believe its a valid theory.



It doesnt matter. That argument would only work against hypothesis' because they dont have any support... a theory does have support. Do you realise that most of the more fine aspects of science are called "theory"? Germ theory, acid theory... The THEORY of Relativity. Wormhole theory is just as valid as any of these... if you say that wormhole theory should be dismissed, then so should the idea that lightspeed is the fastest you can go.



Its not blind and its not faith when its got support.

Heres a better thought then we need an enemy in case we run out of earthly ones. Maybe the govt invented ufos as a way of covering up there own testing of experimental aircraft. Certainly many of the reports are consistent with this notion(ie triangular shaped crafts were in there hay dey in the time when the Sr 71 and the Stealth Bomber were still in common usage by the govt and classified, saucer reports started in the 40s and we now know that the govt was testing such aircraft back then). It seems likely that the govt spread a few rumors and this combined with the sort of mass hysteria people often go through(consider the early 1900s rash of Jersey Devil sightings one person leaked a fradulant first hand account to a newspaper and with in weeks it was being seen all over the state and mass hunts were being organized, for that matter look at the infamous Orsen Wells radio broadcast) fabricated the rest. As yet no actualy UFO has been found nor has any bodies been produced for these aliens. An earthly explanation still stands as better then a extraterrestrial one.

I say that the universe would be too big for aliens NOT to exist, but them coming to earth from however far away... Why and how?

The size of the universe makes it likely life exists else where in some form. It doesn't prove it. Personally I always liked a little proof Douglas Adams came up with. Basicly there are an infinite number of stars in the universe so an infinite number of possible inhabited solar systems, but a finite number of them actually have life in them. If you divide an infinite number into infinity the result is so close to 0 it might as well be. So the population of the universe is 0.

The ignorance of most of those who post on this forum is appalling. Don't any of you ever do any research? Too busy posting on this forum, I suppose. If you want to know what the experts say, go to My Webpage, and read Journey.