Ok..hi all..i want to ask you a question and please take it seriously..
I was born in Greece,i'm Greek and since i was a little boy i was learning about the ancient Greeks and Mythology.
They told me to accept as true history of my country ex.The great philosophers,Great Alexander etc etc etc BUT all the other events like the Titans,Hercules(Mythology) as histories that never happened.
And i'm asking you now why not to believe to these histories when archaiologists have discovered clues and monuments they fit whith these stories?
What do you believe?My question is simple....why when you have evidents for something you ve been told not to believe they were existed.
Answer me please.

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Chances are Heracles did exist, but he was not a divine offspring of Zeus, Alcmene yes, but chances are if he did exist he was the son of Amphitrion, the king of Tyrins and not by anyone else.

He was said to be the son of Zeus by people who then recorded down and made stories about him, so that he was sad to be a gret hero.

Also if Troy did exist then we have further proof that some of the hero's that fought in it also did, but not as the sons of Zeus or any other god/goddess, but of normal people, who was picked to have propaganda writen about them, by Homer and the others.

Thanks for responding Althalus!
The 12 Gods of Olympus was the religion of ancient Greeks so i can't say they existed.Humans need to create a God.Ancient Greeks created 12..so many.
BUT the funny thing is that on every place in Greece archaiologists found statues of the Gods all of them were the same.I mean a statue of Zeus in Athens had exactly the same face with a statue found miles away.With the fact there was no TV these days or internet so the citizens of a town at the last city of Greece to see how the Athenians believe Zeus looks like and then create a statue...that's bizzare.
I think we will never learn what exactly happened, the truth.
The other thing i can't accept is ex.Homer a great poet or Herodotos a great writer accepted by all the world they have written so many papers and documents and they included all these stuff people say are Mythology.All these philosophers who created the sciences and so many other things they have told about "Mythology" but nobody believes them now.It's complicated story i know and you can't find the end...
See you..>>>

perhaps there was a being that looked like Zeus and people mistook him for a god, Thor of the Nordic mythology looks like Zeus of the Greek myth, they both had the thunderbolt, although Thor's got replaced by a hammer due to the sound after a while. this being then got adopted by various cultures and turned into a god, and that is why different cultures have similar gods, but there was the large statue of Zeus made of ivory and gold on wood in the one temple, many people visited it from all around to pay tribute, they could have then gone home and replicated the face on images and statues of him to sell to other people, and it was done so that anyone who ooked at the mini statues could instantly tell who it was supposed to be.

yes this has a point.They ve travelled a lot.So..i wonder maybe they were exist some people,creatures,whatever and they made them Gods.In every country they gave to them other name,as you said Thor,Zeus whatever.
Have you ever heard the song by The Waterboys "The Great God Pan is Alive"?.
They told they went to a cave in Arcadia,Greece and stay there for days and then suddently..God Pan appeared to them.
Ok,don't be misunderstood..i just only tell you others opinions and thoughts at this post(Waterboys) so that's doesn't mean i believe them.

i have never heard of that song, if they said that the god pan appeared to them after they spent a couple of days in a cave, then they either were hallucinating or they did it to promote the song.

it has to be said that only in greek mythology do you get such a large range of creatures that are made up, sich as centaurs, harpies, gorgons etc.

the ancient greeks had some great writers, with brilliant imaginations, but how come the populace in general believed in the creatures?

the only other cultures that had such fabulous beasts were the celts and the nordic peoples, the egyptians had them also, but they were classed as gods and demons not every day animals, like the other cultures had them.

I always believed that mythological stories were created over time in order to provide moral guidance for the peoples of the world. If you take a myth, there is usually a moral point to them - i.e. being brave and facing your fears wins the day, or learn by your mistakes, or bad deeds never pay out in the end.

These myths still exist in a modern format: novels and films and plays etc. Take a look at 'The Writer's Journey' by Christopher Vogler for a breakdown of the key elements in a story which always appear.

You can identify any character in a story with one of these stereotypes: Hero, Mentor, Threshold Guardian, Herald/Messanger, Shapeshifter, Shadow/Baddie, Trickster. A character can be one of them or a blend of more than one, but you rarely get a character that is something else entirely. It's the same with myths.

They are there to provide guidance to the masses. I doubt that these mythological events ever took place.

Sure guys all these stories have a point.Examples to how to live your life,be brave etc.The Waterboys i know they are coming here to spend some days and travel to the ancient places and monuments.Anyway..it's very hard to attest they are true but you want to believe they are fake( cause if one day they will tell us they are true all of us will go insane).Thanks for your responses guys!
Me?I can't say..like all the world.

- Jesus also looks like Zeus.

-12 Hellenic gods, 12 apostles of Jesus hmmmmmm

- It was actually 13 Gods the 13th having no name. Could the 13th god be the one we worship today...... he or she has no name.



They say that the Hellenes, (dont like calling them Greeks cause its not their real name) got there religion from the north hence the god thor. Alot of Hellenic myth (religion) is very similar to other myths around the Mediterranean and also in south America believe it or not.

Heres a site for our Hellene friend. Its about how the Hellenic religion was destroyed by the Christians.


http://ethnikoi.org/introenglish.html

QUOTE (Mr-X @ Jan 21 2003, 06:34 AM)

"Jesus also looks like Zeus. 12 Hellenic gods, 12 apostles of Jesus hmmmmmm"

hey Mr X
I had already visited the website 3 months ago,thanks anyway.
My ideas about the subject "Mythology & Religion" are more than i wrote.You know i'm a member of the board only 2 days and i didn't wanted to write something down without first introduce myself etc.You know the religious thoughts may cause a misunderstanding.Anyway i agree with your reply...sure they are a lot of common events,people,facts etc between Christianism and the Ancient Greek(Helliniki)Religion.
It's like you have a copy but in a better republication(more human,without 12 Gods etc)to invite more believers-fans.Cause humans afraid the powerfull,sometimes bad(when you make a mistake) God.They want an always good God there(where?)for them.
It's a long story...>>>

P.S.:About "Greeks" you re right.It's like ex. Finland.The citizens of Finland i think they call their country Suomi or something like that.Germans call Germany,Deutchland right?
Greece=Hellas
Greek=Hellin
Greek(language)=Hellinika

So call me Greek i don't mind..it's your way to say Hellin cause of the so many languages in the world.

for those of you who do not know, the 12 Hellin gods are:

Zeus

Hera

Aphrodite

Apollo

Hermes

Demeter

Artemis

Hephaestus

Ares

Pallas Athena

Poseidon

and Hestia

they are the main 12, but other than that there are a lot more minor gods such as Eileithyia the goddess of childbirth, not to mention the many muses

Euterpe: music
Clio: history
Erato: love poetry
Melpomene: tragedy
Calliope: epic poetry
Polyhymnia: singing
Terpsichore: dance
Thalia: comedy
and Urania: astronomy

the Norse gods were:

Odin
Fjorgyn
Frigg
Grid
Idun
Bragi
Thor
Hodr
Balder
Forseti
Vidar
Loki
Freyja
Freyr
Njord
and possibly Nerthus

the other characters in the mythology are giants not gods.

i think that myths are a mix of fact and fiction. to amke the true stories better for moralle and stuff.

..........o.....if you were saying that the christian god has no name.., you are wrong, the bible states that God told man to call him jehova

There are too many similaritys between the two for it to be coincidece - I was just wondering if like, maybe there was a group of people who went around telling people they were gods - that or you can just say aliens and be done with it.

Greek culture was essentially pagan, as their religion was similar to Norse, Celtic, Egyptian and Zorastian religions. Christianity took the concept of hell from Greeks, but that's about it.

Mythology isn't real, it a way of explaining, story-telling, and just their culture/influence of others.

were actual people of importance considered gods?like kings and great warriors.

I think mythology was created for the peoples as just a way of explaining natural phenoma. Like if a volcano erupted it was Zeus just showing his anger or punishing people for "doin the wrong thing".

Hrrmzz

Mythology, true or myth

Just guessing - Myth.

Anyone else notice the title

Christians copied a lot more from the Greeks than just "Hell" frogfish.

Daemon is a greek word, and we see virtually nothing about demons until the predominately "Greek" new testament, which is fill with them.

The angels of Christianity are essentially the "good" daemons of Greek mythology, also invisible spirit angels. And they are depicted as beautiful humans with swan wings coming out of their backs.

The "real" angels of the old testament, had no wings, nor were they "spirits". They are flesh and blood, look exactly like young human men, and must eat food to subsist, both in heaven and earth. This is what the Bible really says.

The winged seraphim of the old testament are in reality, winged serpents with fiery attributes, and are actually referred to as "dragons" in some verses. This is what the word Seraphim really means in Hebrew.

The winged Cherubim were originally dragon guardians of sacred trees as they still are in many ancient cultures. God even rides on their backs in two Old Testament scriptures, and ancient depictions of them portray them originally as winged dragons, and later, with Perisan and Egyptian influence, as winged lions, sometimes with human or eagle heads (gryphon). They were NEVER the cute fat "baby" angels of Christian "mythology", these were also pagan greek spirit creatures.

The idea of a "devil" was copied directly from Perisan Zoroastrianism. New Testament accounts of this devil (Revelation), are taken almost word for word from much older Zoroastrian myths.

Welcome to the "real" Bible of praise singing, heavenly "dragons" that, Jesus knew and endorsed as the true word of God, but you were never taught in Sunday School. All of the pagan Greek and Persian blasphemies which are called the "New Testament" were written after Jesus is said to have ascended into heaven. I don't think he would be happy with what was written in His name. Maybe that is why he did not come back in the same generation of His Apostles, as the New Testament says he would in numerous places. (Something else most churches don't like to talke about).

My point exactly. It has to be myth, why else is it called MYTHology?

Demon and daemon were once used interchangeably. The former came to English from medieval Latin, while the latter was from classical Latin. The earliest use appears to have been in the phrase daemon of Socrates, which was his "attendant, ministering, or indwelling spirit; genius". That was in the late 14th century. It was a short time later that the term demon came to refer to "an evil spirit" by influence of its usage in various versions of the Bible. The Greek form was used to translate Hebrew words for "lords, idols" and "hairy ones (satyrs)". Wyclif translated it from Greek to English fiend or devil. This is how the evil connotation arose. By the late 16th century, the general supernatural meaning was being distinguished with the spelling daemon, while the evil meaning remained with demon. Today daemon can mean "a supernatural being of a nature intermediate between that of gods and men" or "a guiding spirit".

The 19th century scientist James Maxwell once daydreamed (the polite term is "thought experiment") about a problem in physics. He imagined a closed container which was divided in half. In the middle of the divider was a tiny gate, just large enough to admit one molecule of gas. This gate, in Maxwell's imagination, was operated by a tiny daemon. This daemon observed the speed (i.e. temperature) of the molecules heading for the gate and, depending on the speed, let them through. If he let only slow molecules pass from side A to side B and only fast molecules pass from side B to side A, then A would get hot while B cooled. Maxwell's daemon was only imaginary, of course, but as it seemed to evade the laws of thermodynamics it caused quite a stir. Eventually, though, the theory of quantum mechanics showed why it wouldn't work.
FreeBSD uses the term Daemon today for system processes in the context of "unseen helper".

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Greek myths are just stories created by the ancient greeks to explain natural phenomana, which we now have scientific explanations for such as there is winter beacuse the earth points away from the sun not because demeter mourns for her daughter persephone and humans were created through evolution and not from prometheus.

I'd say like all myths Greek ones are about half truth half fiction.

Think about the parallels betwen these legends....

---Greek legend of Prometheus
---Sumerian legend of the Annunaki
---apocryphal Biblical story of the Fallen Watcher Angels and Nephilim.

All three involve advanced beings come down from Heaven, often described as winged or giant, to give humans the gift of forbidden knowledge ---- fire, metal-working, magic, etc...

After this gift is given, all hell breaks loose because the God(s) don't like it.

It would seem that SOMETHING happened, long ago, at the dawn of mankind's development, that radically changed us.

Maybe in Grrek myth, and others, there are grains of truth.

"Greek culture was essentially pagan, as their religion was similar to Norse, Celtic, Egyptian and Zorastian religions. Christianity took the concept of hell from Greeks, but that's about it."

Ummm and the concept of resurrection which came from the *Orphidean mysteries*

That can be proved by the talk of many nymphs and stuff.