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BurnSide
That's a given!
mr_halo
why they feel the need to put a big muscly bloke in it is beyond me, put someone whos good in it, yes arnie was good in predator but it was so 80's and so is he...

or if you need a tough guy in it, put eric bana or viggo mortensen in it....not the rock wacko.gif
Disinterested
Movies like that need a tough guy tongue.gif

I see what you mean though.
mr_halo
the alien movies don't have a tough guy, they have a tough woman, so that shows you can have a film like that without a big muscly tough guy.... original.gif, but you need a tough guy to take on the predator, although danny glover in predator 2 wasn't what i'd think as a tough guy, i liked him in it though... thumbsup.gif
Disinterested
Well, Predator needed a tough guy. Predator 2 didn't, I thought it was well done. I think it would have really sucked with the beefy dude.
BurnSide
Bruce Willis VS Predator man. I'd pay to see that!

*predator voice* MccccClaaineeeeee
Talon
Wesley Snipes vs Predator tongue.gif See Blade vs Predator for free laugh.gif


Oh, and as it turns out Alien 5 isn't a rumour after all;

Link
Talon
Also just found this script, it claims to be the opening for Alien 5... its seems rather poor if you ask me.

http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/alien_5.txt
BurnSide
The site clearly states it's all rumours. Weaver has said she'd like to do it in an interview, and that she was in talks with Ridley Scott, but it was never more than if they passed each other in the street and they'd make small talk about it.

The script is a bogus script. Kinda like the Bogus Pred 3 script also floating around the net.
mr_halo
argh do not make a 5th one, i'm warning you disgust.gif i wonder who would be in it though, if they make it, it will be awful

it will probably end up like all those halloween movies they chuck out, that are so bad you want to throw up, then you do, but its still on wacko.gif
Talon
This one actually quotes Weaver;

http://www.planetavp.com/amr/films/a5/a5facts.html

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Sigourney Weaver talked with The Chicago Sun Times Cindy Pearlman during promotional junkets for the film "Holes":
"As for any rumors of another "Alien" film, she admits, "[Director] Ridley Scott and I have talked about it a couple of times. He has some ideas. If we developed a good script, I'd love to play Ripley again. I've always felt so grateful to Ridley Scott because he gave me my first job. In fact, the first few weeks of "Alien,' I was so green that Ridley would say, 'Don't look at the camera.' And I'd say, 'How can I not look at it. It's right in front of my face all the time!' "
Ask her about plot ideas for a new "Aliens," Weaver says, "The only thing I'm not interested in is going to earth. I saw that 'Star Trek' movie where they went to Earth and ... yawn. I think it's more fun to go to a foreign planet--especially now. Who wants to come to Earth now? Let's go far, far away! Fantasy is what we need!" "


But the article was over a year ago wacko.gif
Talon
Here's an article written after AvsP was released;


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Alien 5: Back to the Sequel? 

Could the Alien series really be saved? 

As I reported in a blog, James Cameron is seriously considering making another Alien movie, this time to undo the damage done to the film series by (remember the insanity?) Alien 3 and Alien 4.

We've certainly seen this sort of thing before. Filmmakers have often misstepped with sequels and then sought to "find their way back to the real heart of the story." The James Bond flop, License to Kill (1989), took Bond out of his usual spy mode into a sort of personal anti-drug vigilante, so the next in the series, Goldeneye (1995), gave us not only a new Bond (Pierce Brosnan), but a super-duper spy plot. Goldeneye was also the first Bond movie to make over $100 million domestic.

Spielberg played the same card after the horrid Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984), calling the next in the series, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989), an "apology" for Temple. Certainly, the tone of the third film better reflected that of the original, Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981).

But Cameron has taken the art of "I can do it better" to new, and much more public, heights, stating in a recent interview: "I couldn't stand Alien 3. How they could just go in there and kill off all these great characters we introduced in Aliens, and the correlation between mother and daughter? It stunk, but hopefully I'll get a chance to rectify all that."

The sixty-four-dollar question: just what does "rectify" mean?

Cameron has been dropping a few hints. As mentioned in Dark Horizons, He plans "something similar to what we did with Aliens. A bunch of great characters, and of course Sigourney. I've even discussed the possibility of putting [Arnold Schwarzenegger] into the Alien movie."

In the Edmonton Sun, he makes his admiration for the "real heart of the story" clear: "The trick [to making an Alien movie] is you don't go crazy and make a $150-million movie, because you don't want to have to compromise. You don't want to try to do a PG-13 Alien that is all things to everyone....It's got to still maintain its roots in this kind of cinematic id."

In a different interview with the Sun, Cameron talks about his hopes to lure fans back after the "dreary" Alien 3 and "disappointing" Alien: Resurrection. But he refuses to go along with the let's-do-it-for-the-money Alien vs. Predator premise: "I said, 'Look, that's Wolfman meets Frankenstein.' It's like when you're cleaning out the closet, and you find these poor old relic films down at the bottom and you put two of them together."

Cameron has also stated that while he might write and/or produce the film, he's not interested in directing it. For that, he might try to round up Alien (1979) director Ridley Scott.

This means, of course, that Scott himself will doubtlessly be weighing in with his own ideas. And let's not forget that Sigourney Weaver's opinions have directed the series in the past, which has given us two films with very interesting Ripley roles with (sorry, Sig) very bad script choices.

But let's say this doesn't work against the film, that Cameron and Scott and Weaver all get together with a minimum of "committee writing" and make a film that really aims for the quality, gut-wrenching cinema of Alien and Aliens.

The Stakes

The later films are so bad, it's kind of hard to remember, if you haven't watched the film recently, just how good Aliens is. It invented the whole "roller-coaster ride" approach to sci-fi action films, and I remember one movie reviewer who quoted an audience member who was leaving the theatre holding his stomach and telling his date, "I may feel sick, but I'm going to see that one again!"

Aliens achieves a level of in-your-face intensity that almost becomes overwhelming even when we watch it today, when the film's formulae have become familiar, yet gives us characters we really care about. In the tradition of John Wayne films, we see a lot of secondary characters die off without getting us down or numbing out consciences. Rather, their deaths befit their life roles, and they die true heroes, while a core of characters survive through acts of sheer will.

As Cameron states, it's the characters that really make the difference, their strength easily holding out against the onslaught of wild f/x. Aliens Marines of the future really feel like Marines, and Ripley's inner toughness is both highlighted and complemented by their acceptance of her into their super-macho ranks.

When Alien 3 came out, hopes were high that we'd get to pick up where we left off, with Ripley's near-adoption of Newt and perhaps a continuing relationship with Hicks. As long as there was another alien to fight, there was no danger of running out of storylines, and the uniquely dangerous tone of the series kept it from being just another "bug hunt." As with the original Terminator, Aliens had given us a slew of female power motifs: Ripley standing there with Newt in her arms, looking out over the alien eggs at the Evil Alien Mother before blasting her nursery to hell.

And, of course, everyone's favorite line: "Stay away from her, you bitch!"

The Obstacles

But alas, the sequel that seemed certain to be a hit killed off the survivors from Aliens before the credits finished rolling, leaving a depressed (and depressing) Ripley all alone with a bunch of worthless, unlikable criminals. Men were destroyed right and left, but the only victim the audience really gets to care about is the poor dog. When Ripley finally meets her end -- regardless of how brave and tough that end is -- it's hard not to wonder why you just wasted two hours peering through sepia lighting and incomprehensible camera angles when you could have been shopping for shoes, or something.

Alien 4: Resurrection is so bad, it's hard to work up the energy to summarize it. They make Monster Ripley, who finds some more unlikable people, who confronts a stupid-looking Evil Alien Mother II, and then they fall into Earth's gravity. Or something like that.

So the problems here are much greater than simply "coming back to the heart of the story." Ripley is dead, people. Dead a few times over, actually. Bringing her back for a fifth outing means cloning her again, and that's lame, no matter who's writing the script. I also don't see a way for the action to take place on the alien homeworld without Earth's launching some sort of attack.

So...what? We're going to get a cloned Ripley and another band of Marines with slightly different personalities attacking the alien planet (without, of course, just nuking it from orbit)? That doesn't sound good enough to lure sequel-burned audiences back to the theatre.

The Payoff

But what the hell do I know? If I had the secret of making hit films, I wouldn't be sitting here in my office. If Cameron and Co. actually can manage to recapture the tough, gritty and wild fun of Aliens, the movie sure would be a welcome change from the kiddie-heavy sci-fi we've been getting lately. Let's see some more of those smart and grown-up people from the Aliens universe attacking some bad-ass, acid-bleeding demons from hell. That's not just entertainment, that's catharsis.

Oh, and if Cameron is reading this, by any chance, could we clone Hicks too? He and Ripley together are just so hot.


http://scifi.about.com/library/weekly/aa070903.htm
BurnSide
Awesome article Talon!

Although i disagree with putting Arnie in the movie ahahaha oh god. But Ridley Scott and Cameron working together on Alien5 would almost ensure it's success!!
Talon
Particularly when they both admit Alien 3 and 4 were poor and want to return to an ALIENS style movie.

No more hammy acting and cheesy dialog like Reserection this time around. tongue.gif
Dowdy
I like Pred 2 because i just love the weapons he uses. Pred gets a good challenge in that one but i prefer pred 1. It's got more of a tough guy appeal and it has both of the governors in it wink2.gif
Disinterested
That was an awesome article!!! I think if Cameron takes on this project, it'll be worth it.

Hm. I feel like watching Aliens. tongue.gif
BurnSide
SERIOUSLY?

Cause ya know, we can watch Aliens if you like!
Disinterested
I was waiting for that. grin2.gif

Yeah, let's watch it tonight!
BurnSide
DEAL.
Talon
Beat you to it I started watching ALIEN an right after I psted the article, Riplies just gone off to try and find Jonsey. Mleh tongue.gif
BurnSide
Yeah it'll be a good 2 hours before i even get home. tongue.gif
mr_halo
hmmmm *reads article*.....

hey Talon S. did you watch the special edition version of alien?, i just love the bit when she finds dallas and thingy bob cocooned, with thing bob turning into an egg thing..weird wacko.gif
BurnSide
I saw it in the Cinema, last Halloween. grin2.gif
Me and Talon were actually discussing that via PMs.
Talon
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hmmmm *reads article*.....

hey Talon S. did you watch the special edition version of alien?, i just love the bit when she finds dallas and thingy bob cocooned, with thing bob turning into an egg thing..weird


No sad.gif , but I have the Digitally remastered DVD, which inclued all the cut scenes, so I've seen what the Special Edition included, just onthe extra's menu, rather than in the movie.

Speaking of Special Editions, just finished Alien and now watching Aliens Special Edition, Newts dad's get been facehugged. thumbsup.gif The SP of Aliens make ths movie sop much better cause of the back story, it just fills in so many blanks.
mr_halo
oh the special edition of aliens is so good, i bought that and special edition alien on the same day, it was buy one get one free, hurray original.gif

i might put aliens on right now, only watched it a few days ago, but ah well thumbsup.gif
Talon
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oh the special edition of aliens is so good, i bought that and special edition alien on the same day, it was buy one get one free, hurray


I bought them as part of the Aliens Saga Boxed Set, needless to say my Alien 4 has been watched about... once... rolleyes.gif
mr_halo
huh.gif
mr_halo
i bet you haven't watched the 3rd one that much either laugh.gif , although its better than the 4th one i guess....

if they make a 5th one it better be so good, or i'll go mad wacko.gif
Talon
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i bet you haven't watched the 3rd one that much either  , although its better than the 4th one i guess....


A few times, but not often. Its not that bad once you get used to it.
mr_halo

which on have you watched most alien or aliens?

i'd have to say i've watched aliens so much more than alien thumbsup.gif
Talon
I usually watch them as marathons, so both equally really.
Talon
But if you include the Predators, I've watch Predator 1 a million times more than either.
Kismit
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Disinterested
Halo, what's with that poster? huh.gif
mr_halo
its just a poster i found when i typed alien 5 into the google images search engine thing, i doubt its real, i mean why would natalie portman be in the next alien movie, i guess someone just loves natatlie portman and alien films, who knows original.gif

hmmmm private messages, but we are talking about the topic of the thread thing...odd rolleyes.gif
BurnSide
haha what a lame poster.

yeah we watched Aliens last night. Still as fantastic as ever. Although it takes so damn long to get going, and there really aren't enough battles.
mr_halo
if there were to many battles in the movie, the marines would have wiped out all of the aliens, i mean there was only 100+ aliens, well the population of the facility, excluding newt, and whenever the marines came up agaisnt the aliens they killed loads of them, even when the marines took a whooping they killed a good amount of aliens....

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Talon
Currently I'm watching Alien Reserection... Ripley's just wasted the other cloned Ripley's... why am I subjecting myself to this movie blink.gif
Subtemperate
You know I loved aliens..... and liked alien..... and read the books.... yet I still havent seen the last one that came out...... I still feel no need to.....
Talon
Well, I finished watching it 15 mins ago... all I can say is... why on earth, do I every so often give it another try to win me over? sad.gif It'll never succeed
mr_halo
i think i've seen alien resuurection once, and that was more than enough, i just can't bring myself to watch the movie again, i just don't enjoy it at all, i hope if they do alien 5, that its good, well atleast better than alien ressurection...

i want a sequel thats good disgust.gif , alien was good, aliens was great, alien 3 was watchable, alien ressurection was bad....
mr_halo
and the winner is aliens, with a huge 6 votes laugh.gif , theres loads of messages on this topic, but not many votes....
AliceCoopersGirl
Wel,for me it was a really tough choice as love all the films mentioned(apart from Alien v Predator...have not been able to see that yet)

Had to pick Predator 2,only because I loved Danny Glover in that film...he was great in it. grin2.gif
mr_halo
alien resurrection is on channel 4 in a minute (u.k only), don't worry though its the worse alien film, just thought i'd tell everyone anyway....

time...22:00
Disinterested
I think Alien 3 is the worst one.
Talon
Alien 3 gets better as you watch it... with Alien 4, the more you watch the more you realise how bad it is.
mr_halo
argh the bit i hate in resurrection, is right at the start when the voice of ripley says "my mommy said there were no real monsters but they are" in a kind of childish voice

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BurnSide
It's just the echoes of the past bouncing around in her cloned brain.
Personally i do indeed prefer Ressurection to Alien3.
Talon
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Personally i do indeed prefer Ressurection to Alien3.


Really? huh.gif

Then again Reserection did have a Paul Anderson feel to it, maybe one of the reason I hate it so much laugh.gif
BurnSide
hahah you're right it did!

I dunno, i'm more of a fan of big buns blowing aliens to crap then inmates getting torn to crap.
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