Picture this.

The year is some where between 1,000,000,000 B.C. and 1800 A.D. You are an alian. You have laws(or morals) that prohibit you from contacting an alian, unadvanced, civilization. Your skipping along the milky way and decide to refuel from a star that we call Sun, or a gas giant we call Jupiter. You notice a planet 3rd from the sun that is much like the one you came from. You decide to scout it for a posiable settlement. When you arive you notice that there are life forms. You are prohibited from altering them or their civilization so how do you contact them? You can't stay and wait for them to advance, that could take billions of years. So you decide to leave a message. It has to be undetectable until they are advanced, and not be destroyed by weathering. The earth is geologically active and it can be descovered without high tech. So that rules it out. But the moon, it gets meteors but a big message will last tens of millions of years. But with the naked eye or a simple lense you can read it, the answer? Make it invisiable without advanced technology. And where do you get this huge magic marker?

Thats where I'm stumped, but it could be any number of things thats the same couler as the moon or invisiable. All you need is the right technology to see it.

SETI should look more at the moon for signs of ET rather than faint radio comm.

I'm going to make some filters to look at the moon on the off chance that there were alians that made writing that is visiable with an optic filter.

Who knows, I may make the biggest scientific find of the decade, century, or even millenium!

What are your thoughts on this.

I wish you luck, however the moon has already been photographed with an ungodly number of filters, as well as through spectrography, magnetically, and thermally.

Maybe they wrote it on the other side so we'd have to have space travel to see it!

Well i think your scenerio is quite realistic, but i dont think they would bother to even wait till were advanced technology wise to show themselves. I think they have already made many clear messages that they are around, except the Government does not accept it at all, because of the way our soceity is. We belive in a god who is of human nature, so if people were to go out in the public and state to the world that were not alone, everything would collapse.

Now i do think that they are clearly trying to give us signals that they are around us, even though there is so much conspirecy about them.

If you have ever heard about Cyndonia, im sure you would be familiar with the connection between them giving signals, or there being lost civilizations on other planets.

In this large area, there is a large mountain which is practically carved out , and it looks almost identical to a human face. The area around it has many pyrimids which are perfect in demension and cant be explained as Natural to this day.
I personally think that Cyndonia, was an old civilization which got either very advanced, and left the planet, or a tragedy happend killing everyone.

The face was probably put there for us to one day find, and realize that hey we really arent alone out there.

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Government covers everything up, and pretends everything we see is Natural, so have fun finding this scientific find of the millenium with your filters. Trust me the only way your going to crack it is, if the government and everything else falls apart. The secrets wont be easily kept

Here is a picture of Cyndonia. Look up on the top right part of the image, and you will see the face.

You do know that picture is a fabrication, right? It's a digital artist's conception of what the alleged face on Mar's would look like? We haven't actually had any craft that can swoop in and take angles like that; all our cameras are in orbit or on wheels.

And I'm not sure where you got that the pyramids are perfectly dimensional, but that isn't even a claim from the guys who say the face is there.

ANd with that youve just smashed this poor mans dreams.

Gd luck to you mate .
I dont think youll find anything

As someone said earlier the moon has been analysed more times than our own world if you consider that we explored more of the solar system than our own oceans.

chances are if something was there we'd have found it.

Wouldnt our DNA be a better place to leave a message than the moon?

I read somewhere here that aliens may have left these message things all over the universe and one happened to be on mars or something. I'm pretty sure there is SOMETHING on the dark side of the moon, I've never seen any pictures.. nor is it ever mentioned. I read online a story that says the aliens were there when we landed and said they didn't want us there aswell. Who knows..

Leaving a message in our DNA would involve violating the "prime directive" of not interfearing. It can be unpredictable and even aliens can't stop life from finding a way.

And the "dark side" of the moon is just the side that points away from us. The moon is slightly lop sided and after billions of years it just began to slow its spinning and then started ossilating back and forth, it's still oscilating a bit but not enough for us to see so the same side of it is always pointed towards earth. The moon orbits earth about every 28 days so each day and year on the moon is 28 earth days long. For 14 of those days the "dark side" has light and vice versa. The moon landings were only on the earth facing side because of communication so there are no samples from the other side.

I got a plan to launch satalites to orbit the moon to provide communication for future missions that would take core samples of the moon all around it with drills. Also to give communication for my mining op on the S pole and to sell comm. to future miners. Seriously Realy!

maybe they left the message on another planet, or another planets moon, therefore in order to read it we have to be more advanced, maybe we aren't ready to know what they want they want to tell us...

Blazea58,



I little (I don't have, nor want, cable). I absolutely never, however, use TV as a credible source of information.

Out of curiousity, what out of my post leads you to believe I am thick? I should hope it is something a bit more substantial than simply myself disagreeing with you.



Yes, I am fully aware of the level and limitations of space technology. None of that changes the fact that your picture is part of a 3-dimensional digital conception of the Cydonia region, as commisioned by Richard C. Hoagland.
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Neither the Pathfinder mission, nor the robot rover, nor the Global Surveyor fly at the approximately 10,000 foot altitude needed for those pictures. As I said, they are either on wheels, or in orbit.

Incidentaly, I haven't proposed any plan that I am aware of. I believe that was Nigelvrm, and I'm not completely sure he was serious.

How would adding messages to our DNA be against the prime directive you proposed??? It wouldnt be any more than putting a sign on Mars.

They might just leave us to it,without leaving a message until we find THEM. ........

Maybe their messages have arrived visually since the dawn of history in the form of U.F.Os,Bigfoot,Mothman,Springheeled Jack,Micheal Jackson,etc..

Now, millions of pictures have been taken of the moon by satellite;
AND THEY ARE ALL CLASSIFIED!!!
Since when did the government restrict the moon?
I thought it was ours... But when we want to take a look
at the dark side, it is restricted. Does it not bother you
that 'we will never see whats beyond the pasture'?

What are you talking about? I have a picture of the dark side of the moon up on my bookshelf. It's hardly a secret.

Its either fake, or its not taken from the satellite in orbit!

Some would say that crop circles are messages ( not the fake ones )!

Norman,


*raises a skeptical eyebrow*
A bit circular, no?
A.) All dark side pictures are kept hidden (unsupported assumption)
B.) I have a dark side picture (Factual. I just checked it)
Therefore, either
C.) My picture must be fake (uses unsupported assumption as base for logical truth)
Or
C.) All dark side pictures aren't kept hidden (removes unsupported assumption and retains factual)

lol, either fake or not taken from the satellite in orbit? If its not taken from a satellite in orbit of the moon... then it must be fake.

Puting a mesage in out DNA can and will alter it interfearing with our developement.

And I don't have any money, I'm a 15 year old dreamer.

And yes I am serious about the plans.

Has anyone ever done the odds of an alien civilization even finding us? Since we're out in the middle of nowhere they would almost have to be completely lost.
That said how would the government go about covering up the existence of aliens, are we now more powerful than alien empires that travel through space? Wouldn't the aliens actually have to be a willing part of the conspiracy? So if that was the case wouldn't they be smart enough to turn the lights off when they go cruising around in their spaceships? Or are the aliens really smart and since our government is so all powerful that the aliens are scared of them they travel around in the air with the lights on so that we can all learn the truth?

The pictures i have shown are 100% real, and are not just digital concepts of what they think it looked like. The viking missions caught many images of the Cyndonia region, and to this day have been said they are natural, but i still have my own belifs that nothing on earth like this is considered natural. Egyptions built pyramids which look very similar to the ones in the cyndonia rejion.

Here is a picture of what the Viking took from overhead. then they had many other pictures which they peice together to give the full image.

This image shows the Surveyor 3 spacecraft, which landed on 20 April 1967, and in the background the Apollo 12 lunar module. The lunar module landed about 180 meters from Surveyor, and on the second moonwalk EVA on 20 November astronauts Conrad and Bean visited the craft, took pictures and removed some parts for return to Earth. The sample scoop on a pantograph arm projects to the right, the cylinder just to the right of the center mast is the camera, and the solar panels are at the top of the mast. This northwest looking photo was taken by Alan Bean. The Surveyor 3 spacecraft is about 3 meters from the ground to the highest point on the solar panels.

About the drilling. yea as stated before, its already being done, they do tests on the soil, and as technology gets better they find better and more efficient ways to find out if there is any life there.




About the drilling. yea as stated before, its already being done, they do tests on the soil, and as technology gets better they find better and more efficient ways to find out if there is any life there.


About there being no evidence, you just gotta know where to look.

Some how I doubt we'll find "We were here" written

Those hills are just lighted the right way to look like faces, I can also see santa, a scull loking right, some aliens, and some dwarves! And those mountains don't look at all like the geometric pyramids. And that face looks identical to the one on mars that turned out to just be shadowy hills. And there is no drilling currently being done on the moon or mars, nor was there ever any drilling done, just a few shouvel scoops.

wrong person. i meant to quote nigelvrm

Uhhh huhhhhh, get your facts straight buddy.

To collect samples below the Moon’s surface, NASA knew astronauts would need a compact tool that could drill down as far as 10 feet. It also had to be lightweight. Most importantly, since there aren’t places to plug in on the moon, it had to be battery-powered. Simple. Just a couple C batteries…right?

Not even close. Even though these tools are small, they’re powerful and their motors require lots of electricity. So, NASA collaborated with Black and Decker, a company famous for developing electronic tools.

To avoid having to use lots of heavy batteries, Black and Decker used a computer program to design the drill’s motor so it would need as little power as possible.

What began as a solution for an astronaut’s challenge has become a handy tool for all of us. Plus, since Black and Decker’s sales of cordless products -- about 400 million dollars every year – are to the moon and back


There you go DELETED PROFANITY lol.

There was no need for that Blazea58, Its called flaming, or provoking, if i see it again you will get a warning
-UA

How would it interfere with our dev?

Drill down 10 feet on earth you wont even get to the permafrost. The moon has permafrost too, and with the surface getting 200 degrese c for many days at a time the permafrost will be below 10 feet. I got a plan to drill to the absolute core of the moon with material mined off the surface to use as the drill bit, shaft, and solar panels. Also a few open pit mines going 100+ feet down and wide. There is a mountain on the S pole that the peak is always in sunlight. That is where I'll construct either the solar cells or the steam turbines.

I'm serious here and don't just write me off as some pranster, this stuff CAN happen and WILL happen!



And altering our DNA WILL affect us thereby altering our developement!

Your crazy , thats all i can say. If you have these dreams, you must still be really young and your thought process is all over the place.

The surface of mars is not 200 c its very cold infact If you stood in the shade on the Moon, you would be very cold. It could be as cold as 380 degrees below zero.

TEMPERATURE The temperature on the Moon ranges from daytime highs of about 130°C =
265°F to nighttime lows of about -110°C = -170°F ATMOSPHERE

You think your so smart, yet you dont even study any of this to even get your facts, you just randomly think wow that would be cool to have this or that etc, but your not thinking of the facts already known about the planets.

Tell me that the Moon is hot now.

That "face" on Mars is almost without a doubt an optical illusion.

And if the government knew that the "face" on Mars was an exterrestrial construction and didn't want this fact to get out, then why would they release any images of this region of Mars at all?

I said that the moon is 200 degrese for a few days each moon day at the end. I'm aware that the moon gets colder than -200 c at night. The appolo missions went at the lunar spring to avoid these extremes. And there is a mountain on the S pole that is always in the sun. I know mars gets from +20 c to lower than -80 c. And I am 15. And I don't know farinheight, I'm a crazy canuk. I measure in celcious. I have spent a long time learning about the planets and space on the internet. I know how to construct space habitats orbiting earth or at L5 from "the high frontier", it's a book. I have over 5 unpublished theories of the workings of the universe and phisics including 25 dimentions. I know the gravity and composition of all the planets. I know that when ideas are too bold like light, electricity, A.I., and space habitats, people are always stomping them down saying it will never work. Just open your mind to the posiabilities! The population of this planet is expanding exponantially, the environment is being poisond and burnt, there is a constant threat of asteroids from space! Have you ever thought that our next step will be into space or are you so preocupied with the ever increasing price and ever decreasing ammount of oil? Have you ever even tried to invent something for the betterment of humanity? Can you comprehend a world powered by solar power satalites, mined from the moon and launched by a electromagnetic accelerator run be more solar cells? Have you even thought about the future, blazea58? Before issueing reality checks, take one yourself!

Here is the face on mars, the old picture superimposed on the new one. Unless you wish to call it a fake, it is a graphic depiction of what is actually there, as opposed to what some would like to be there.

Face on Mars

Ok. Alright. Maybe your picture is real. But it must be edited!
Dude! There is a freakin alien base on da moon! Don't you get it?
If its not there on your picture, then its been tapered with!
Its very likely, since NASA edited most of their photos of the moon.

Do you really think there is an alien base on the moon? If so wouldn't they disguise it so you can't see it in the pics anyway? And just in case we had really high power telescopes it will most likely be on the "dark side". And the moon is big and far away. You couldn't notice probably even west edmonton mall even if it were on this side and bright orange!

Iv'e looked at the moon in a telescope and could make out mountains and craters, so far no orange alien shopping centers.LOL

Norman,


Sorry Norman, but I just don't see it. There is as much reason for me to believe that there is an alien base on the moon as there is for me to believe that there is a Disneyworld on the moon.

As Nigelvrm pointed out, anything big enough to be identifiable from orbit would have to be massive in size. The dark side of the moon is not a good place to build anything like that. Have you seen the amount of new craters? That side has no protection from incoming meteorites.

The whole government conspiracy angle lacks sense to me. I've worked in the government and the military. A conspiracy even the fraction of the size required for something like this would require an organizational skill I was unable to find (and believe me, I looked. It took me a week to find a freaking lightbulb for my office!). And, as I have said before, there isn't an investigative reporter worth the name that would not have managed to smoke out a lead or two in what could well be a Pulitzer for whomever uncovers it. The reason is simple. The reporter's finely honed B.S. detector goes off every time a potential 'witness' talks.

And finally, There is nothing than Nasa would love more than to be able to find and publish information about alien tech on the moon. Can you imagine how desperate those people are to get back to the moon? They haven't been there since I was born! The idea that an alien base exists there would not only give them the popularity they need to get governmental support, it would also flood their coffers with private money (they are one of the few Government agencies that can accept private funds).

It just doesn't make sense.

Just thought i'd share this picture of the moon.
A timed exposure, very nice pic, Lots of detail
Click for the larger image

awwww the moon, i highly doubt theres an alien base on the moon, but anything is possible i guess...i don't see why anyone would want to live on the moon though, theres plenty of planets out there...

Umm, nigel, the face that you said looks like the face on mars... that IS the face on mars

Second of all, no offense intended, but Im willing to bet your unpublished "theories" are severely erroneus. Canada's education is horrible, and at 15... its even more horrible! Im really doubting you're a genius who spends all his time learning about physics and astronomy, so, I think its a safe bet to assume that your "theories" are more like opinions and ideas. No offense intended. BTW, do you even comprehend these 25 dimensions? Can you tell me what the 5th dimension is? :S



Again, adding messages to our DNA wouldnt necessairly affect us nor alter our developpment.

Do I really think?.... I thought about it plenty. I believe it.

Why?

Because regardless of what you may think, it is logical to believe in
aliens. But ignorance is just like diarrhea it runs in our genes.
It takes a smart person with an unpopular website to present the
truth. But do people accept it? No. Why? Because we so dang stupid.
(no offense) But we have to admit that we're humans.
It is also logical to believe in a God. Without knowledge, it takes
great faith to believe in aliens. But if you have knowledge and understanding, then it takes less faith to believe in aliens.
When Science and the Bible confirm a theory, then it is worth
considering. Science and the Bible often get in fights. But
on the subject of ETs, they both agree. IT IS VERY likely that life
does exists on other planets. And my personal opinion is that
there is a base on the moon. (and its not ours)

My thoughts are thus:

There are no aliens. There is no other life force in the universe other than that collectively shared on Earth. If there were they wouldn't need to write messages on our Moon. You watch too much SCI-FI.

I get poor grades because I take online edsucaton since grade 9, I spend about 1 hour max on school. Then for all the rest of my day I'm on the internet studying anything I find to do with science and history.
Heres a few sites I've leared from. From there I usually rechersh faurther from google if I find something.
http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/
http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/archivelist.asp
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/einstein/energy/emc2.php
http://members.aol.com/oscarcombs/settle.htm
http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/
http://www.trueauthority.com/cryptozoology/main.htm
http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/
http://www.geocities.com/newworldorder_the...f_intrigue.html
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/science.html
http://www.snopes.com/
http://www.iucn.org/
Along with about 100 other sites I have bookmarked.

The fifth dimention? I haven't ordered them that way yet and I don't know if they are all considered dimentions. A few of the groups are magnetic, elastic, and flow. They mostly all act on the phisical 3d's and there are 3 dimentions in each group. Again, I don't know if you'd consider them all or any of them dimetions.

An alien base on the dark side would do better on the trailing edge and get relitively few lower impact hits.

Great pic of the moon but you can't really see it close enough to see any smaller craters or mountains. I've seen it but I got no web cam to do timelapses.

Well the main thing with the Cyndonia region, is that nobody had any idea of what they were taking pictures of, at first they didnt think anything of it, and released the pictures to the public. Scientists analized the photos, and noticed that paticularly at the face area, the mountains were 100% straight around the edges, as no other mountains are usually naturaly that perfect.

Some info about the viking mission that may be useful to everyone.

The Viking spacecraft provided our first close up look at Mars in the 1970s. Among the many interesting images was one located in the Cydonia region that looked remarkably like a human face (top right image). While the likeness was striking, there was insufficient data to draw any conclusions. New images from different angles and at higher resolution were needed before any sound determination about the origin of the object could be made.



In 1998 they flew back over and took even more pictures, this time at the highest resolution, and now they have full color pictures that they are doing.

I still think its just an old civilization, not some googly eyed aliens that talk in gibberish. Most likely similar to our race, just alot more technology, as maybe they were alive a really long time ago.

One of my favorite pictures. Its comming back to dock.

Here is an awesome link for the 5th dimension!

Link

Oooooooyyyyyy!!!!!!!!

Do Aliens REALLY use Giant Magic Markers and Invisible Ink?

If I were those Aliens, I'd use my Crayons!!!

It's a more likely scinerio than ufo's abducting us.

Actually, life itself in other planets comes under serious debate lately. It might be possible out of logical point of view (if it started here, it must have started elsewhere too) but the truth could be much different.

When you take into consideration all the necessary elements needed to develope and maintain life (not to mention intelligent life) the numbers run out quickly.

There's need for proper star. Then for planetary system. Then for planets that can sustain life. Then actual biogenesis in these planets.

In further details, you should know that despite the great (relatively) age of the Universe, it's only recently that necessary life-elements became "available". Specifically, the heavier elements (any element heavier than helium and hydrogen, which after the Big Bang made 75% of the matter dispersed). So, it might very well be so that we are among the first, if not the very first in the Universe.

Not to mention all the dangers in space (Gamma-ray bursters, nearby supernovas, asteroids) that can affect any possibility for life to evolve (including ours too!)

In conclusion, nomatter how absurd it sounds, it could very well be so (according to given data) that we could be ALL ALONE..

but theres so many planets out there that logic dictates there has to be at least some other form of life out there. I have considered that humans might be among the first though.