For a long time I have been wondering about this force... It is an invisible
force that few are aware of. It is the UFO COVER-UP. It is not just a project
developed by the government, but it is more than that. Its like an evil god.
An evil force of deception that has blinded people to the truth.
UFO believers like me have been baffled by the powerful force of deception.
Either isolation from the Public, or the idealistic pride that is stimulated by this
invisible force: The spirit of the UFO Cover-up. Now, that might sound "far off",
but ALL things considered, can you be the judge over whether UFOs are real or
not, or can you be the judge of whether there is a government conspiracy?
Can you be sure? Well, ok. I know that this is the website of
Unexplained-Mysteries, but are we going to leave these mysteries unexplained?
I just hate to see people being decieved. If there is a sincere witness out there
who has seen a real UFO in the past, please speak up. And if there are people
who have theories that have logic behind them, then please speak.
If you can't be the judge of UFOs, then judge this from your heart:
Is there a deception or not?
Since it is clear that this phenomena is denied by our government,
exploited by the media, rejected by academia, condemned by the
church, and ignored by scientists and archeologists, it is clear that there
is some form of deception. But who is decieving whom?
Here is the answer: YOU and I ARE BEING DECIEVED!
This UFO cover up is scary! This is no joke. I'm for real. Can't you feel the
truth trying to make itself known, but witheld by an invisible force?
Speak up please. What do you think? Is there a deception either by our
government, our churches... Or is this phenomena ignored because of
isolation of views? Is your idealistic pride blocking the truth?

hmmmm well i don't really know what to say to all that, i think i'll read it again, and try and see what i make of it....

Let me condense it:
Is there a deception?

I have to agree with mr halo...I'm not to sure what to make of that

hmmm interesting..................but now i have a headache suddenly too much hot air in the room.....

yes i think there is a cover up to some extent....

the government is always covering up something....its part of the reason they exist...but this is ummm..... kinda different, kinda rediculous

Norman, you are starting to get scary.



Hmm, it's clear that the majority of people with academic credentials and research training don't believe this happens. It's not so clear why you should be given more credibility than all these other people.

Maybe if you tried judging a little less with your heart and a little more with your mind.

The heart isn't too good with logic. All you will ever get from it is some twisty feeling that something ain't quite right. All that leads to is the strange rambling about government conspiracies and sinister forces of deception. Use your head. Make some logical arguments out of it. Give us a reason to believe it other than your admittedly passionate, yet throughly biased, faith in the subject.

Yes! There is a cover up going on. Governments all around the world are good at doing this. During a war people will get fed properganda and believe that their country is winning,but infact could be near to defeat. Thats just a little example of how governments manipulate the truth. I agree with Norman with this!.....

I don't question wether the government has the capacity for such a massive cover-up (I don't believe it, but that is beside the point). My question is why? Please don't pull out the tired old "people would panic and civilization would collapse" gambit.

There is nothing to cover up, and no reason to cover anything up.

If there were Aliens, you would no about it. What makes you think that these Aliens, with their SUPER INCREDIBLE technology, would LET our crappy little government cover up their existance? It would be impossible. Almost as impossible as UFO's being people from other planets.

With the governments inability to keep even the most mundane secrets...well secrets for any length of time, I find it a rediculous proposition to assume that there is some sort of alien coverup as your mention.

The time, effort, resources, and mass of people that would be required to keep a secret of that nature would be tremendous to say the least. The latest military aircraft electronics systems that are being produced can rarely remain secret for any length of time; can you imagine if the secret was something as incredible as life from another planet here on earth? A secret like that wouldn't stand a chance for a year, let alone 50 years or more. Someone would have been willing to come out and tell the world, but that hasn't been the case at all.

I am not trying to be mean here Norman but I am concerned for your welfare. Perhaps you may need some assistance regarding this issue?

Perhaps those with this technology do not want to be known.


You're probably right. Whoever or whatever is in the UFO's we see might be from here. Its a very large world. Just a week or two ago an entire city was found in south america. There is a lot of exploring left to do on this planet, Pleanty of nooks and crannies to hide in, if you dont want to be known. Lets not forget the majority of the planet is covered with water, most of which has not been explored.
Intelligent life could be ANYWHERE, If smarter than us, i would assume keeping their existence concealed would be an easy task. We are getting smarter, maybe thats the reason there are some glimpses caught, and videos taken.

People have come forward, and they are rideculed, dismissed, and made to look insane. Not just with roswell of corse, but with any UFO sighting, or experience. The government does not have to do much for all this to happen to credible people. They started a misinformation, and ridecule campaign long ago, and the people took off with it. Why do you think if someone claims to have seen a ufo, automaticly people assume they are a nut? Why when someone has a video, or a picture its automaticly assumed its been altered ? True there really are some nuts out there who fabricate things, but there are some credible normal people who have had experiences or sightings. No one pays them any attention. Everyone assumes. All because of a few real nuts and the government rideculing UFO's at just the right point in history.

I bet Normans a government offcial or something. He's here to see how much we really know

LOL-- did that cat shoot JFK ?--LOL

well i got to pre-flight the saucer !!--LOL

Either isolation from the Public, or the idealistic pride that is stimulated by this
invisible force:

norm, (although, maybe not so norm).
i'm guessing your situation is the former, isolation from the public.
cause i have no idea what you mean by the second part.
please explain how idealistic pride is stimulated by an invisible force???????

but then again the miliray as well as the goverment does this....i read an article in my wanderings about a guy who was a captain the military! he had an experiance with an ufo he said and the military beat him and whipped him and stuff to make sure he wouldn't tell, but he did, they told him that he wasn't allowed o tell a person what he saw. i think that right there is in a way a cover-up if the guy really did see something

Maybe the Invisible Force is..... Satan ?........................

dunno..it fits

Thats true actually. Some people say "How could the government keep something like this a secret for so many years without leaks" but there are plenty of people that come out and say that they worked for the gov and on UFOs for the gov.

Anyway, My mind is made up. Im not gonna believe anything which cant be backed up. Bob Lazar? He can say whatever he wants, he never gives any true evidence to working in S4. He cant find any documents cuz he says the gov erased all mention of him and stuff.

Norman: I think you should be more specific as to the degree of the deception. Deception ala stargate sg-1 (where the US has ships and alien allies and has an actual war with an alien race) or deception as in the gov has some evidence or has a belief that aliens do exist but just arent telling us... or is it something in between?

Either way, I think you should cool down and analyse your beliefs. You seem like someone who believes in something because he would like to believe its true, not because he has any solid ground to back him up.

Well then that wouldn't make it a government cover up would it?

Oh please, please tell me you're joking with that matter of fact and "I know the truth" attitude, Anson. Why not say yes to cloning anyway?

Truely we are. For the best I suppose. You and I can believe it because we can cope with it. Not everyone can do that. When I found out it was all so, I spent a whole day nigh to tears.
We know the truth, and that is all that matters. I'm not going to argue with the government over it. I'm sure there could be danger, but its been going on for thousands of years. You've all seen men in black. If you havn't, watch it, and it'll make this whole subgect clear as a bell. For what K said at the begining of the movie was so true.

Oh please tell me he didnt just say that those who dont believe in a huge massive coverup and Roswell was an alien crash cant "cope" with the truth!



Please tell me you mean 'We think we know the truth"

i think they like to cover up terrestial(SP?) things like why they rose gas prices...other then that nothing

YOU HIT THE JACKPOT, BUDDY! Thats a super-duper possibility!
Is't faith without knowledge blind? Then its clear who is the winner
here. Aliens do exist. Since if your opinion is based on your bleief
that aliens don't exist, then I am afraid to say that you have a blind
faith. You cannot disproove aliens. Your faith lacks logic if you think
there is no life out there. However, as I asked 'faith without knowlegde
is blind', now there happens to be overwhelming proof that UFOs exist
in archeology. Science has also come to the conclusion that there is a
great chance that life exists on other planets. The Bible text is not
mere spiritual food, but also a record of UFO sightings. The witnesses
including presidents testify to the existance of UFOs. How much
faith with information does it take to believe in UFOs? little.
How much faith does it take to NOT believe in UFOs without any
information? lots. Have you noticed that none of the skeptics ever
presented a logical explaination to UFOs, or explained to us why they
don't exist while seeing it from other people's perspective?
You just can't manage to disproove all the UFO witnesses, sightings,
pictures, and text records... You just can't! But the question remains....
(and yes, I can get quite scary sometimes.... but you haven't seen that yet!!!!)
Is there a deception about UFOs? Yes. But you see, a lie is a deception.
But a deception does't have to be a lie. You don't have to lie to decieve someone!
Now, I know that the government lies about UFOs because if you've studied
them, then you know. You just know. I'm not navie. And those people who don't
know a thing about UFOs but say "UFOs don't exist!", I have a challenge:
Disproove each and every historical record of UFO sightings, witnesses,
pictures, and text documents! If you can do that, then you've won me over.
But even then.... The government still lies. They're flip flopping!
One day they say UFOs don't exist, then the next day they say they do.
Go ahead and disproove the evidence.. Hey, I even wrote a song:
(to the tune of: 'Jesus loves me, this I know for the Bible tells me so')

"Extra-Terrestials do exist, for the Bible teaches this,
can you lie into my face, and tell me that they don't exist!
Yes, they do exist! Yes, they do exist, Oh, yes they do exist,
cuz thats what smart people proove. Yeah!"

If there was a code for a bouncing ball, I would SO put that here!
Anyway, if you surf the web like I do, you can take pictures for yourself,
examine them, hear witnesses testify, and read thousands of pages loaded
with quotes from officials, presidents, movie stars, foreign leaders,
regular joes, and even from the ancient records of the Bible.
So, go ahead. No.... I know. You're afraid to know the truth!
AHA! Thats the problem! Well, don't you worry, you'll see some crazy
things going on soon. There will be a day when EVERYONE will know that
UFOs exist. But it'll be too late then! I'm telling you! Ok. I gotta go.
(seriously, I'm gonna file a complaint for these military choppers!)

Hi I've been reading for a while and finily decided to join.

Now I am not saying I agree with this whole coverup notion, but I think what Norman means by Idealisim and pride is that we are decieveing ourselves because we dont want to believe. Sorry if I missed the point.

YES! Correct! Oh, and welcome to the forum!
Oh, man am I having a crazy day! Wait till you meet
the rest of the crew, including the skeptics.... boy do
they get annoying sometimes... Poo, what am I talking
about? I get annyoing sometimes too!
Ok, ok. Seriously. Yes. what I meant by idealistic pride,
is that you have pride in self. And when you have an idea
that you think is cool, you'll defend that idea even if its
illogical. Pride brings a man low. But really, can you
deny the each and every record of UFOs? Can you?
If your mother actually saw a UFO, would you call her a liar
because you simply don't WANT to believe?

Who's using blind faith now? Thats no more of a possibility than my theory of little green gnomes being used to hold us down to the surface. Theres no gravity! Its all green gnomes!!!



There is no winner as far as I see...



Who's opinion are you talking about?

BTW, not believing in a coverup doesnt mean not believing in aliens.



You're right. Logically, you can assume that, considering the enormous number of other planets, there would be life somewhere else than Earth. My belief doesnt lack logic.



Im sorry, but theres no overwhelming proof.



Are you talking about the Drake equation? Truely, its all based on reasonable assumptions, because we dont have any extrasolar planets to use as reference points. Well, other than gas giants.



I've got a question though... this changes alot. Do you believe God and Satan are alien beings, or truely supernatural, god like status beings?



Witnesses? Presidents? You're not talking about the bible anymore, are you? Anyway, tmk, no presidents have testified to the existance of alien spacecraft visiting earth, and witnesses often jump to conclusions.



Not really. Theres no solid evidence of aliens visiting Earth, be it because there truely isnt nor was any, or because the gov covered it all up.



Sorry, it doesnt work that way. First of all, drop the "faith" thing. Second of all, it doesnt take any faith to believe that theres a terrestrial explenation to UFO sightings.



Again, I'm assuming you mean UFOs of alien origine do not exist, and I'm assuming you're not generalising skeptics as those who dont believe in aliens.

You want a logical explenation of UFOs? Satellites, Flares, Bolt lightning and secret military testing. You want an explenation for abductions? Sure, hallucinations/make belief. A psychologist studied a group of people after the first ever abduction report, and found that most (I think it was 4 out of 5) people he studied came up with a similar abduction story when they were under hipnosis. Im not saying that abductions never happen or anything, I strongly believe that theres a very real possibility that some of them do happen, but I'm simply saying theres no real hard evidence.



Not disprove, but offer another explenation, yes.



Again, you were saying something about blind faith? This is the kind of stuff you're labeling as blind faith, so I might aswell label yours as blind faith. I know what kind of a deception you believe is happening, and all it is is a conspiracy. It could be true, but its impossible to disprove a conspiracy. Not to mention, theres no evidence that a deception at the levels you imply is happening. I'll be open to the possibility, but I'm not gonna argue either one being right.



Sorry, but you dont just "know" anything. Thats like saying "I've studied magnetism, therefor I know about gravity!"

If you truely want to study UFOs, you have to consider the very real possibility of a terrestrial origine to UFO sightings and crashes, etc.



No, but you have to make sure you dont let your "want" to believe something force you to believe it. In a way, I'd like to believe that there was an ancient but super advanced civilization living on Earth in the past... a kind of Stargate style past to Earth... and yes indeed there are things that indicate its a possibility (Peruvian stargate, Mahabharata... etc.) Infact, I could almost classify it as having stronger "evidence" (Im not talking about hard evidence yet) than UFOs, if I could verify that a certain sanskrit text which was said to have been found in tibet in 98 was actually found, but, as my post in the "ancient nuclear explosion" thread shows, my belief remains neutral until my want can provide conclusive solid evidence.



Yes, some of them do, but some of those who know quite a few things about UFOs also say that. You cant just dump everyone who disagrees with you in the "they dont know anything" pile.



Its not up to those people to disprove it, its up to you to prove it.



The gov said UFOs exist???



Again, the burden is on your hands.



If UAs taught me anything... Thats flaming, right UA?



Not really. I find that more people are decieving themselves because they WANT to believe.



Seriously, look whos talking. As I said, I think it'd be cool if Earth had a stargate style history, but that doesnt mean I defend it and say it does.



Even though I WOULD WANT to believe it was an alien craft, I would definitly accept the chances are higher that it was something natural or terrestrial. And yes, anyone can deny each and every record of UFOs since theres no proof that its alien. These kinds of things are easy to deny. "Look! Theres a circular craft in the sky! It must be alien!" "No, it might be a government black project... or a cloud!"

jsf35rino!!!

Of course that Little Pussycat DIDN'T shoot JFK!!!!
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS, MAN!!!
EVERYONE KNOWS that it was Lassie that shot J.F.K.!
THAT Kittycat shot J.R.

(I'll betcha all of these young'uns look like this right now--->
"who in the .... is J.R.???"
I know that I left little doubt taht I'm a bonafide Geezer with that one.)


Hey man, I've just finished pre-flighting MY Saucer, I'll meet you on Titan and I'll buy you Lunch. Afterwards, I'll race you from Titan to Delta Andromeda. The winner buys dinner and drinks at The Club in Area 51.

Here's something cool, and it involves the idea of an extra sense, kind of like a sixth sense I guess, that everyone has.

I was watching a show the other night, where scientists were performing experiments to see if the stomach could actually sense things. They would put two people in sound proof rooms and would measure one person's abdominal muscle contractions while another person would try to project thoughts and feelings to the other. What was discovered, is that there seemed to be a connection between the person's muscle contractions and the person who was trying to send thoughts to the other. It was convincing to see the results on t.v. The old saying, 'go with your gut' might be more true than we may realize.

Now that's pretty weird, but imagine this, I've sensed the evil presence of a nearby UFO and occupants with my stomach. It was a strange feeling in the stomach of subtle discomfort. And I could feel the terribly evil presence nearby, just didn't know the exact location of it, until I finally spotted it. Here's the story.

The Invisible UFO?

One night during the summer of 2001 I was at a friends place by the name of Noah. There was a little bit of a party going on, just a few friends having a couple of drinks, I don't drink by the way. That night I was telling all my friends that were there…. that I could feel negative Chi energy, bad vibes, etc……. and I knew the "it" or more commonly known as the "grey" was watching and listening. I knew this because my friends have been abducted before and I would always tell them about "it" and how "it" works and deceives mankind. And how they mimic God and pretend to be good when they are truly evil. I know this angers the "grey" to the point of madness, because they don't want the truth to come out, so they watch and listen closely to see what I have to say…… especially around abductees….. I've met a few. The feeling of the presence of evil was deep in my belly, (it was an odd feeling of subtle discomfort and uneasiness) and I could feel 'them' watching, and could feel 'they' were angry with me. I knew this 'energy' was not coming from anyone near by, but rather, a devil. I had this feeling for several hours whilst at my friends house. After hanging out for a while with my friends in the house, my buddy Noah and I went outside for a cigarette at about 10:00pm just after dark. There were a few clouds but mostly clear skies. That night I was watching the sky closely… being very aware of the sky above me…… no sooner did I spot something on the edge of a cloud…….. I didn't think "it" was a UFO at first… it was more like a piece of dust on my eye. It was similar to the fluorescent stars that children put on their ceiling…. when you look straight at them, they are dim and barely visible… but when one looks away they become brighter in ones peripheral vision…… only this UFO looked more like two tiny shadows side by side. The weirdest thing was that it was invisible when I looked straight at it!! I had to look slightly away from it to see "it". Well, I watched ''it'' for a while….. whilst ''it'' bobbed and weaved and moved like a piece of dust on my eye. After observing all this I realized that 'they' were watching and listening. Just when I decided to tell Noah (whom was on a cordless phone at the time), "it" shot out of the cloud at about 5 times the speed of an airplane, at this same moment I told Noah to look up and there "it" was…. Noah saw ''it.'' ''it'' was pissed off because I noticed "it". The ship looked like two white lights side by side with a space in the middle. When ''it'' flew away off in the distance I noticed ''it'' was tube shaped because the lights overlapped slightly when ''it'' left. They really screwed up as far as I'm concerned…….. big headed bulgy eyed bastards.

When it happened, it felt like they were running from me in fear, and were very startled. I cursed at them as they quickly fled. I felt like I stood up to satan and won, and made him flee. As it is written in the Bible, if you stand up to the devil, he will run from you in fear.

At the time I sensed the 'greys', and had all those thoughts of 'them' watching and listening, and being angry with me, they seemed crazy, and I obviously had a shadow of a doubt. Though I had trusted myself enough to wonder if what I was thinking.... was true. Only until the UFO shot out of the cloud, did I fully realize that I wasn't just having 'crazy thoughts.' This experience proved many things to me. And I look at it as God and me standing up to satan and causing 'it' to flee in fear.


There is actually a scientific explanation for why the UFO appeared as invisible when I was looking straight at it when it was behind the cloud. It has something to do with the rods and cones in our eyes. You can experiment by finding a dim star in the night sky using your peripheral vision, then upon looking directly at the star, you will see that it is invisible, or seemingly not there, and there is almost a distortion where the star should be.

Matthew Jason Chin
http://members.shaw.ca/ancienteyes/

I am not talking about just a possibility. At least not when I mention my
views. To science and archeology, it is a possibility. To me its true information.
FACT: Archeologists have found ancient drawings of flying discs that were known
as the gods from heaven. They found remains of UFO crashes in the past,
they found millions of documents carved into stone that state that a metallic/
amber colored objects are the Chariots of the Gods. The pictures resable a
disc flying in mid-air with people pointing at it. Historical records show that
in ancient Egypt the sons of God taught the Egyptians about architecture,
and decorations, make-up etc... The famous flying wheels of Ezekiel in the
Bible is NOT the most convincing proof out there. SETI, and project Phoenix
have found many alien signals but were kept from informing the public due to
a massive cover-up by our government. The government has a clue what will
happen in the future, and the bible prohpecies are true. They will be fulfilled!
If the government KNEW that these "aliens" were going to snach up thousands
of people from the face of the earth, it would be reasonable not to tell the public
since it would drive them into panic... maybe even suicide. I remember the
quote from JFK, but I cannot recall it. He said something like:
"A government without a free-flow of information is a government
that is afraid of its own people." Or something like that.

On the contrary...


No, no. I am sorry. Indeed there is. You just don't want to accept it,
or cannot find it. One of the reasons I know that you do not want
proof because you're not looking for it. If you were you would find
plenty. "Seek and you shall find". Any reason for you NOT to
look for the truth? The cover-up.

Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Its the doctrine of man that changes a lot. The Bible strongly testifies
to the existance of fast flying, metallic, objects that shoot beams of
light, provide illumination for Israel in Bible times, and provide shade
during the day, confuses or paralizes the Egyptians.



wrong again, Stellar.Ronald Reagan
"... when you stop to think that we're all God's children, wherever we may live in the world, I couldn't help but say to him, just think how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries and we would find out once and for all that we really are all human beings here on this earth together."
White House transcript of "Remarks of the President to Fallston High School Students and Faculty," December 4, 1985.
"In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world."
Speech to the United Nations General Assembly, Forty-second session, "Provisional Verbatim Record of the Fourth Meeting", September 21, 1987.)
"I occasionally think how quickly our differences, worldwide, would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world."
From a speech with President Mikhail Gorbachev, in 1988. He made almost the same comment on many occasions.
"I was in a plane last week when I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, "Have you ever seen anything like that?" He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it. But we didn't file a report on the object because for a long time they considered you a nut if you saw a UFO..."
1974, Reagan was often quoted referring to the possibility of an alien threat.

AND THATS NOT THE ONLY PRESIDENT... trust me I know.



The government can only do so much as cover up crash sites, and create
a massive conspiracy that influences the media which influences what people
think.



true. I know ABOUT aliens. I don't know all there is to know,
but I know about them to a limited extent.

BTW: I need not to proove the existance of aliens or UFOs, because its already
been prooven. What is new? People trying to disproove aliens. So, go ahead.

you'd better check out front page news, norm.
another SETI coverup...........dahn...dahn...dahhhhhnnnnnn!!!!!!!!

The gov said UFOs exist???

Nick Pope who worked for the British governments, Ministry of Defence(1991-94)

Said, (quote): "I had come into the job as a skeptic, but emerged believing that a

small percentage of UFO sightings DID involve extraterrestrial craft."

Yes you are.



Exactly where blind faith comes to play. There is no hard evidence that aliens are here among us now.



Yes, they have, but thats not hard evidence of it being alien in origine. Symbolism was common in the past, and many cultures always claimed that their god arrived "from the sky in a chariot of fire!" That, however, is not hard evidence. That is about as much evidence as any mythological being.



No, they havent. Roswell doesnt count as "found remains of UFO crashes" and nor does anything like that.



I havent heard any statement of a metallic coloured object written in stone. Either way, while its intriguing, its not hard evidence.



The key word is "resables". Or well, it should be "resembles"



Correction, historical records show that ancient egyptians SAY they taught it to them. Again, this is not hard evidence neither, because that would mean that anyone who says "God told me to kill my son" should be taken seriously.



Again, you cant take mythology as hard evidence. In this day and age, many things can be interpreted as "UFOs" in the past... but again, its not hard evidence.



You have no evidence of this neither. You're relying on heresay and just believing it without any hard evidence of it. Do you have anyone working at SETI thats not biased, hasnt been discredited, and who analysed these signals and still claims they're ET in origine? If so, you still dont have "proof" you only have some "evidence" which changes a blind belief into a belief backed up by some evidence.



Please, you still dont have any evidence what so ever, and people have been making prophecies since the first language was created... and some still happen to have survived hundreds of years because people keep claiming them to be true, but they just "havent happened" yet. Again, its only a belief.



You dont have any evidence what so ever of that neither.



This is only a conspiracy theory. You have no evidence for it, and seeing as how a conspiracy is not falsifiable, I'm not even going to argue it. If I could obtain proof that debunks this conspiracy theory, my proof would be classified as part of the conspiracy... see what I mean? Either way, you dont have any evidence here neither.



That has nothing to do with any evidence.



No, there isnt. Heresay isnt evidence.



Please, dont try to tell me that you're right and I'm wrong just cuz I dont want to accept hard evidence. I accept hard evidence, and I dont accept what you have because its not hard evidence. In a court of law, you cant say "Well, my friend here says that she saw the video of the defendent murdering his friend Joe..."

"Wheres the video?"

"I cant find it. The government must have taken it and destroyed all evidence of its existing."

That just isnt evidence. Thats the kind of style your "evidence" has, and using the same style, I can practically claim anything, even something completely different than what you say is happening. You cant change hard evidence. If something you call hard evidence can be used to defend an idea 180o of yours, its (usually at least) not evidence.



Getting desperate to support your beliefs huh? Please, remain civil and dont result to "You're just not looking for it!" and other crappy arguments like that.



No "truth" can be found, only conspiracy theories, and there are plenty of them out there... some ranging from "The greys are our friends" to "the greys are our enemies"



You havent answered my question. And btw, all that you say is just interpretation. I dont use interpretation as hard evidence, and neither should anyone.



Wrong again? I dont think I've been wrong so far. Anyone mind backing me up here?



Thats not a witnessed event. Thats a hypothetical situation. Notice the clever use of the "if".



Again, another hypothetical situation. He was an actor, and, IIRC, he did act in some sci fi shows/movies and enjoyed sci fi. This is only him creating a hypothetical situation, its not evidence of him admitting that aliens exist and are our enemies.



Once again, same hypothetical story.



I never heard of that... and I find it very hard to chase something zigzagging through the air from within a passenger plane... and notice he *didnt* know what it was.

Again, no hard evidence that it was alien in origine...



There is a possibility of an alien threat. Theres just no hard evidence (at least, not that the public has access to) that proves it. Also, the meaning of many of Reagans speeches were twisted, just like you have done. His speeches arent informing that the world might soon be under attack by aliens, his speeches are about how the world would unite *if* something like that happened.



I cant trust anything you say it seems, seeing as how you even managed to twist Reagans hypothetical situation speech into something its not.



Yep, if there is a massive conspiracy. Theres no hard evidence of that neither.



Thx for fixing that... but you still have it wrong. You think you know about aliens. You have no evidence to back up what you think you know about them.




Umm... when has it been proven? It hasnt... The possibility should be accepted, and is widely accepted... but it hasnt been proven...



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Now, let me clear things up a bit more on what Im talking about when I say you dont have hard evidence. Does anyone know about the Mahabharata? Anyway, it describes what can be (quite evidently) interpreted as nukes, a nuclear war, flying vehicles, lasers, a war using those technologies, etc. It even goes to the extent to describe the fall out effects of a nuke quite accurately, and it does give a limited composition of what a Vimana was made of, and even its engines (I forget the exact quote but it had to do with mercury spinning which somehow caused the Vimana to fly.) Theres even a section that describes how a pilot would train to fly it... But even so, this isnt evidence... its largely interpretation. It is actually more credible than the Bible when you're talking about flying objects and such, because it has very good descriptions of the functionality, and things that we have today (nukes)... but again, its not hard evidence, because it could all be imagination, and others could just be plain misunderstandings of what they truely wrote about. Its kind of like talking about StarTrek... they have warp engines, and they use matter/anti-matter reactions to propell it... but the detailed and exact functionality of these engines is not described, so you really cant rebuild the engine based off of it and test it. It is amazing that people could accurately describe a nuke and its fallout effects way back in the past... but still, maybe they imagined it. This is definitly not hard evidence. What would be hard evidence, is texts which accurately describe the construction of an interstellar space ship, or something else technologically advanced, like an anti gravity engine... That would elevate the credibility of the Mahabharata, and infact that text that talks about how to construct the engines and ships would be hard evidence that the people back then posessed such knowledge! Actually, a text like this has been discovered in 98 it seems... I've heard about it when reading on the Mahabharata... but I cant find a news report on it, so I dont say "Its evidence! Hard evidence! They found it!" I simply consider it what it is... a rumour so far, because the find cannot be verified.

you got yourself one hekll of a point there

It's a terrible point. Skeptics don't NOT want to believe, they want to believe but only will believe if there's a reason to. Which there isn't, obviously.

If my mother said she saw a UFO id first of all think she was going mad.

then i'd sit down with her and discuss what she saw and try to come up possible explanations for the "ufo"

Like a sane, normal person would.

Oh Burnsy I'm far from sane and normal tee hee..

I just don't believe in UFOs lol

Ames

Lmfao... what would idealistic pride be? Me refusing to believe (without evidence) that there are aliens around us that are gonna pick up all the good little boys and girls and take them to a place where they can forever live in joy and happiness... or Norman believing that sort of thing? Which one of us has this idealistic pride?

What i want to know is why would the goverment want to cover it up? What do they stand to gain? I don't think they would just do it to mess with our minds, I cant think of a time when the goverment did somthing and didn't get somthing for their truble.People are smart they would ajust to the idea, so I don't think it is the mass histariea thing.

Also why would the aliens want to watch humanity through the years that it has been claimed they are visiting?

I just dont think it adds up.

Has anyone ever wondered that maybe at one point, like the rest of us, the governments of the world didn't know what UFO's were, or what was going on exactly? Maybe in many instances they were as much in the dark as the rest of us?

Here's the websites of Derrel Sims. He has top secret clearance at military bases, and removes implants out of people. I wonder why a bigger deal isn't made of this guy, considering the top secret military involvement and all...

http://www.AlienHunter.org

http://www.FIRSTevidence.org

You know what.... I give up. This UFO stuff is forbidden knowledge.
Lets say that someone knew the future. It was either revealed in
a vision a dream, horoscope, or a book. Now, if you had a vision about
an alien invasion, and you had numerous alien encounters, and
the aliens seem to imply that they will do something big, and the
crop circles reveal something disturbing, and you have the feeling
that the humanity will be destroyed, then your mind is split. You
want to tell it because its the truth, but you don't know if you should
because people would think you're a nut. Or the people would panic.
Lets say that a group of people DO have this kind of information.
Would they tell us? You know how there are rumors abut 9/11?
How people say that the President knew and did't do a thing to
stop it? Well, that is what is happening in the area of UFOs.
So, to prevent a global uprising and suicidal panic, it would be best
not to tell people about UFOs. But of course, these "aliens" keep
making crop-circles and crashing into fields, and abducting people.
And the gov is having a hard time to cover it up. So, it does't seem
like a successful cover up. However, the information about
the future is witheld.

Steven Spielberg is making a movie about UFO's and I hope it makes people go on the internet and research about them . That would encourage more people to sign up for UM and we will have more members .

Yes, and they will probably cite the movie as credible evidence of their UFO theories...

Wow, just when I thought I'd seen it all...

Excellent points Stellar and BurnSide!

This is the truth! That's why I don't trust the government, too many secrets from us... I understand the need to cover up some things, but the government constantly covers up EVERYTHING! We don't know what to believe.. I say, "Yes,there is a cover up going on when it comes to UFO's", but heck,
that's just my opinion, and everyone says I'm wacko !

I Think the goverments of the world dont even know themselves of what & why that"s going on with the UFO sightings. Somethings for sure, they want something.
Probably to basic for us to understand.
All the past wars were all about , land, religion,control.
Maybe they are just plain waiting until we are done with this place called earth.
They dont want to destroy us , they just want to wait & take the leftovers.

We are being decieved, and we don't even know it.