I guess everyone is familiar with the assassination of JFK. And with that everyone probably has their own thoughts on the matter. Having checked a few sites about it there seem to be as many as 10 solid theories doing the rounds.

What I REALLY want to know & discuss is WHY did the autopsy report (which has been challenged about the fake head photo for ages) NEVER make any mention of the bullet that hit JFK in the body. Watch the Zapruder film and see for yourself, just seconds prior to the fatal head shot you see JFK reach to his left chest area in shock & then look at his hand in disbelief. NOW you cant tell me that a genuine autopsy would miss something like that ... or can you ???!

Funny you meantion that as my wife and I justed finished watching The Men Who Killed Kennedy. Now there is no mention of shot you talk about they do discuss witnesses who say that 4-6 shots may have been hired. Now I agree it is clear he is hit before fatal shot although I always felt shot hit his neck and he is reaching for his neck area as fatal shot hits. Even jackie appears to be looking at wound (neck area) before he is hit in head! This hit could match autopsy wound in neck that Warren report says was exit wound! A very wound for exit wound I might add

Interesting two Disc set this documentary worth the watch to make you think

Yes, The Men Who Killed Kennedy was an excellent documentary. It came out over here on History Channel in 3 set mini series. I was VERY captivated by the theory of the 3 assassins from Marseilles Spain with the triggerman being that guy called Sartiz. I mean they showed a photo of the guy & when you look at the Morman "BadgeMan" photo you can sort of see a scary likeness to Sartiz. However I havent yet found an adequate explanation of the shot I believe hit JFK possibly from behind (obviously I cant be sure) through his back & perhaps exiting through chest area. All I know for certain is that around a second and a half before fatal shot that JFK definitely reached with right hand to left lower chest area then looks directly at his right hand kind of turning his palm upward as if expecting to see blood (again speculating here) right as he is doing that Jackie Kennedy is also rising from her seat to look too & her head is actually perilously close to JFK's when the fatal shot hits. Thanks Panther10578 for those excellent comments & thanks for anymore genuine replies about this, its actually bugged me for years & Ive never heard anyone else question this.

My interest has been restored since I just saw the Thomas Olyay (sp?) video footage for the first time. Though it doesn't answer my question it still adds to the conspiracy.

Has anyone notice how he gets shot from the front, for the fatiel shot?

~Thanato

Yes that remains one of the biggest factors disclaiming Warren Report

It's a definate conspiricy, and yes, he was shot twice, as you can see in the video.

Panther
I believe I have finally found a topic on which we do not seem to agree. I still believe that Oswald acted alone there was no cover up, improper handling of evidence maybe but not an intentional cover up.

Well there were many factions that disliked Kennedy and some Military officials for the handeling of the CMC.

So Oswald might of been the fall on man, who takes the blam.

And i cant remember who shot Oswald and killed him, seems kinda odd that before his trial he was shot and killed under police escort from point blank.

~Thanato

He was shot by Jack Ruby a man with "known" Mafia connections! I might also add he had a terminal illness at the time also. It is surmised that he was hired to do killing in exchange for his famliy's well being. He had nothing to lose since he had terminal illness and he could be sure he family was ok after his death

Moreover it is interesting how the assassination of Oswald occurred jsut 3 days after the JFK assassination. Oswald probably knew more than just "I was set up." He probably knew who ordered the assassination.

For years I doubted that Oswald acted alone, but after seeing the Thomas Olyay video (what was left of it & hearing Olyay's testimony) I am left wondering if he acted at all ?.

Heres an interesting (& long) article on JFK and Roswell

Do you know where I can find the unedited video?
Wtf? I posted this about 3 hours ago.

What is it going to take to convince everyone who believes in a conspiracy to embrace that fact that Oswald acted alone, for his own twisted purposes. Jack Ruby also acted alone to further his own agenda. Period and end of statement, misshandling of evidence yes. Cover-up and conspiracy no way no how.......

The investigation was botched, no doubt about that. But there's no positive evidence of a conspiracy. And really, there was no real reason powerful interests would resort to such drastic measures to remove Kennedy. For all his popularity he never accomplished a whole lot as president.

I believe that the inquiry done in the 80's proved a conspiracy when the audio experts proved that there were at least 2 different guns fired in those seconds of the assassination. Furthermore, the Thomas Olyay video was running from the moment of the shooting, from directly outside the depository building. As most people may know Olyay managed to get inside the building with his camera prior to police locking the doors & undertaking their search. No other press made it inside. What remains of Olyay's video is an interesting watch. Why ABC destroyed most of it is questionable. Olyay stated when the police found the shell casings that he asked to get them on video ... but instead of catching them where they were the main officer reached behind a box & then held his hand out for the camera holding the shell casings !?

did any 1 really know how jfk really died i bet i know i can prove it some 1 in the same CAR killed him scroll down and watch this short movie thing you will see what i see http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm

Look at the front-seat passenger. Watch the top of his head. What you think is a gun, is in fact the glare off the top of his head. Watch the top of his head, you'll see.

i saw that, the direction in which he gets shot is impossible to do from the inside of the car. It had to be someone outside of it.

Interesting Hmmm .... I started a thread on this a while back, I was YELLING conspiracy in that thread because you can tell JFK didnt get shot in the neck simply by looking at the Zapruder movie ... As I said there & will say again "Just watch the tape" JFK reaches (with right hand) to his lower left chest area & turns his hand upward as if expecting to see blood (bout a second before fatal shot). This indicated to me getting shot by high powered weapon that entered thru his back & exited where his hand was reaching. I thought it was quite clear & I YELLED conspiracy due to that !!!!! POSSIBLY ANOTHER MYSTERY SOLVED BY UNEXPLAINED MYSTERIES .... ???

Ive pulled this thread out of the archive since a NEW thread re: the conspiracy is currently active ... CHECK the link http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm

Now EXACTLY what I was saying has been proved & Im PROUD to say UNEXPLAINED MYSTERIES knew it FIRST WORLDWIDE .... Back On 7 Sep 2004. regarding autopsy cover up.

UM RULZ !!!!

Just to clarify my statement above ....


This was posted on 8 Sep 2004... NOW check this pic !!!!

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/ShirtJFK.jpg

What do you think NOW ????

yup, i agree with daz, watch Kennedy get hit the first time, he moves his hand towards his chest, his wife also look towards his chest, while the guy in front turns
and then the headshot

THANKS Bathory !!!! ... I dug up the old thread (posted Sep 7th 2004) & added links to the picture on site listed here ALONG with quotes from the old thread posts .... JUST to prove that UM knew this FIRST & that UM RULZ !!!!!

id like to say oswald acted a lone but he was tested for gun powder on his skin the test came back negitive that he had not fired a gun in the last 48 hrs.

Thanto just wana point out that if u think bout there must have been a shot from the front cos if u watch the video of the fatal shot u see kennedy snap his head back and to the left and no matter what people say the so called experts how can it b possible for sumone to get shot from the back and fall backwards know wot i mean.

gabriel i also read and internet site saying that oswald was supposedly in the domino room at the book depository and that there was sufficient evidence to back up that claim.

I beleive that oswald was the fall guy but i dont think he shot any of the bullets that killed kennedy for a start there had to b a shot from that front.

Also the government had to b involved in some way for this because by law the killing happened in dallas texas therefore it was up to the dallas police to investigate the killing but, the government illegally transported kennedys body from there to washington and got an inexperienced doctor to carry out the autopsy. Why all that bother if the police had already had there man supposedly. i mean 12 hours later oswald was arrested then 3 days later he was killed by jack ruby (whom i beleive had sum involvment in kennedy killing). Maybe Oswald was going along making ruby sweat a bit, maybe oswald knew of information that cud point the finger at Jack Ruby and he started getting scared that y he shot him.



Does anyone agree

It’s plain & simple folks….The CIA hired the Mafia to do the hit on Kennedy
The fatal shot that came from the front, was done by a Mafia hitman, Oswald was just their fall guy, but he knew too much. So the mafia got Jack Ruby, who was in a bit of bother with the Mafia, to shoot Oswald, so that was Jack Ruby squared up and everything was honkey dorey with the Mafia. Someone said before that Jack Ruby didn’t give a crap because he was dying of a terminal illness, which was 100%

This is just another case of how a corrupt government agency gets things done. If you have some dirty business to take care of, pay someone else to do it. IMHO

In reality, the actual truth probably is a bit simpler than all the theorizing that has gone on regarding this case.

However, clean packages, however tidy they appear, are generally not descriptive of the actuality. There is probably some truth in what you conjecture here. However, one should realize that there is no evidence that Ruby knew that he was dying from a terminal illness in 1963. Records indicate that he contracted his disease in prison and died in 1967, some 4 years later. There is also not too much to support Mafia involvement, although it's possible. The CIA, on the other hand...well, I think that's probably the most plausible. A motive certainly was present for all of them.

But the fact is we will never know exactly who pulled the triggers. For that matter, we do not actually know how many times Kennedy was shot. All that can be said at this point is that a conspiracy was involved, based on the medical evidence (or gross lack thereof), and testimony from the people who actually saw the wounds in Dallas. The Assassinations Committee in the 1970s determined that conspiracy was probable, but they were woefully inadequate in many areas of their investigation.

The bottom line is that there is no definitive answer that can be put forth as to the truth. It's simply not understood. And that fact is what points to conspiracy more than anything else...it should be understood, and should've been well understood decades ago, were it handled properly by the authorities of the time who actually had jurisdiction in the case.

Regards.

What it takes is simple. Evidence.
And of that there is very little.

Regards.

I would disagree.
There is more than compelling evidence pointing to conspiracy in some form. The mere fact that the actual nature of the President's wounds is not known, over 40 years after the fact; the fact that the statements of the Dallas doctors pertaining to the nature of what they observed conflicts with the autopsy protocol and the Warren Commissions conclusions in rather graphic ways, and the fact that the documentation of this autopsy is a medical-legal nightmare in its inconsistancy and conflicting information points to some thing definitive.

As to motive...although one cannot state for certain what it would've been, an obvious conclusion can be drawn from the facts surrounding what happened immediately following Kennedy's death. Kennedy's troop withdrawal (the "advisors" we had in Viet Nam at the time, numbering perhaps 10-12,000) was already underway as of November 22, 1963. 1000 of them had already returned, and the rest were planned to return by early to mid-1965, after the 1964 election was over (...a political move. This was being kept secret by until after Kennedy's re-election because there were factions that he knew wouldn't support him if they knew he was pulling out of Viet Nam).

Of course, his order was rescinded almost immediately after his death, and of course, there were a couple hundred thousand troops in Viet Nam in relatively short order as Johnson escalated our involvement.

I think those 60,000 names on the memorial in Washington point to a potential motive for Kennedy's removal. It is an unfortunate reminder that Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial Establishment" (which he warned Kennedy about in his 1961 farewell address) was a bit more powerful than anyone imagined.

As to not accomplishing much. Perhaps. After botching the Bay of Pigs, he acomplished a few small things...domestically; a tax cut, stimulating the economy (oddly enough, something that today's Democratic party disagrees with, and President Bush has implemented...to great economic effect), establishing the Peace Corps, which still seems to do alot of great work, staring down the Soviets in the Cuban Missile Crisis and garnering the respect of our greatest adversary, proposing great new American initiatives which resulted in the United States becoming pre-eminent in the areas of scientific and technological development throughout the 1960s, and which resulted in the landing of American men on the Moon...and of course, determining that American involvement in Viet Nam was not something he wanted to see escalate, and making plans to gradually end it.

Just a couple of things. But really, he didn't have much time to do much else, I think.

Regards.

You can see no such thing by looking at the Zapruder film.
You can tell that Kennedy spasmodically reacts to something and both of his arms move rapidly up to the level of his neck. His right hand drops somewhat to the level of his chest, but he never looks at it. He only had about 6 seconds to react to whatever had hit him prior to the fatal head wound.

He obviously was hit somewhere in the back by a high powered rifle bullet. We know that. However, there is no evidence existing to indicate that any bullet exited the front of his chest. Even the Parkland doctors saw no such thing.

There is no mystery here.

People can see all sorts of things in films, it seems.
There is nothing present in that film to indicate that anyone in the car shot President Kennedy. Such an idea is ludicrous.

Regards.

Well put

And I don't think we will ever find out the TRUTH!!

Unfortunately, the the inconsistencies in the Austopsy protocol of John Kennedy, and the vast amount of mis-information and false data revolving around this autopsy were uncovered by real researchers into the case long before 7 Sept 2004. Harrison Livingstone has probably done the most exhaustive work on this medical evidence, and he most assuredly uncovered the descrepancies, and has analyzed them in unprecedented detail for the past decade or more.

This stuff was well known as early as 1991.


Sorry.