Okay, Listen to me people because this is for you own good and please don't just post stupid comments or jokes, i am taking this seriously and you should do the same thing and respect everyones thoughts as i do.

The Thing about Alien existing is something i have doubted for a very long time and still do. When i really started thinking really hard about it and asked many experts about Space and asked a lot of Religous ppl. All i got about Alien exisitng, is the answer"No they do not exist". Now i believe that because of one thing, Why would God(Allah) create Aliens that live on other planets??? What is the ponit of doing such a thing? And why do we all believe they look Green and have weird figures and looks just because the Movies have shown us that's what they think they look like.

Since the beginning of Science there hasn't been one Single Hard Evidence that can really prove to us that there is something living out there. I mean all we got are some stories that people tell and theroies that people make up. I am not calling anyone a liar about their story but what they have seen could be anything and even if a UFO would want to Visit Earth, believe me they won't let anyone see them especially with other eye vision. All the Pictures that we got are all compoisted and played with PhotoShop and other Softwares. And the Videos are totally fake, okay why don't you try to record an airplane that you can baraly see in the sky and then try to watch you have recoreded it, you will be suprised with what you have got and you can make any retard believe that you got a UFO on your camera.

You can Argue all you want but You know there isn't a thing Evidence that can prove me wrong! That's all i got.

For those who dont believe in God... your "why sould God do it" means nothing. For those who believe in God... why wouldnt he?

And, no, there is no hard evidence of UFOs... but there is the law of probability that dictates that somewhere in the universe, there has to be alien life.

Well, luckily I don't believe in god, so I don't have to wonder why he'd create something else. I just have to ask myself with all the billion and billions of worlds out there, would nature's miricle of a the chance of life forming be restricted to a single planet.

Not a chance.

Although I don't beleive they have ever visited Earth.





Not being very fair to science are you. Its only just begun to look for evidence of life out there, you can't expect answers that quickly, particularly when we haven't even left our solar system yet.

Give it time.

This is redicilous and stupid.
First of all, not everybody believes in God. Simple as that.
Secondly, Thinking that we are the only advanced race in the entire universe shows how selfish we must be.

There are believers, and there are non-believers . Got it ?

I don't care if people believe in God or not, okay?? My point is that there is nothing you or anyone else can prove to me or anyone on this planet that there is something out there as Aliens!! Okay, got it?

This post is lame, simply because you think that just because you havent seen anything, means that there is no such thing. And what makes you think that God created this race and not the other way around?

There is even proof that there is inteligent life in the bible
14th centry carvings in rocks showed clear images of what we call ufo's. These objects carved ranged from fireballs with people inside of them, to disk shaped objects and several others.

Another painting in the 15th century by Domenico Ghirlandaio (1449-1494) and hangs as part of the Loeser collection in the Palazzo Vecchio. Above Mary's right shoulder is a disk shaped object.

1460-1465 The blown up picture on the right shows a red saucer shaped UFO seen near Jesus, this is a very clear image which totally catches your eye upon looking at it.


With that said, There is also lots of other valid proof that were not alone.

Roswell (Everyone knows the story to this one. Main things to take note are that the farmer who spotted the object, had it in his feild for several days, For someone to actually be stupid enough to call the army in to research a weather balloon would have to be pretty dumb you would think. The Farmer said he couldnt figure out what it was, and didnt know who to call.

phoenix lights (Hundreds of people in arizona saw a large triangle shaped object, which was more then 5 miles wide, and was spotted for more then 5 hours in different states. There is about 15 videos of it, many pictures, and its a sighting which was never clearly explained other then saying they were flares.

Nellis airforce base sighting (This is one of the most interesting ufo clips, simply because of who it was seen by. Airforce was flying around the base, when someone spotted and taped a very well video of the object. Ive also seen this one on tv as well, as it got leaked from someone working at the base.

Russian disk crash. Late 70s i belive. Im not sure of much behind the story of this one, but ive always belived this one to be genuine.
(Ill include picture of this one, with inhanced details, because its an old picture. More info can be found on the net about it otherwise)



Famous sayings.

"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth." Truman also had top secrets and conducted several UFO Operations. Info can be found in the majestic 12 documents — President Harry S. Truman, 1950.

If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and scientists. I am convinced that UFOs exist because I have seen one." President Jimmy Carter during his Presidential campaign.

"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs." ~ Astronaut Scott Carpenter - Carpenter photographed a UFO while in orbit on
May 24, 1962. NASA

"...I've been asked about UFOs and I've said publicly I thought they were somebody else, some other civilization. ~ Commander Eugene Cernan, Commanded the Apollo 17 Mission - The quote is from a 1973 article in the Los Angeles Times

"Despite all the space aliens that appear in science fiction movies and books, we have yet to find conclusive evidence for life, even microbes, anywhere in the universe besides Earth," it reads, but then adds, "Researchers have found life in very harsh environments on Earth, which expands the possible kinds of places where life might exist."The president's fiscal 2004 budget

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So you may just be thinking Ufo means that they are aliens off the bat, but to me it just means another life form which is more intelligent then us. Their features may even be quite like ours. I myself witnessed a Ufo sighting back in september 2001, and to this day, i have had different belifs.

You can not just go saying you yourself can prove otherwise, because you simply have no proof other then you say you have talked with a bunch of people who say they dont exist. If you are to take the time to go out and star gaze each night, im almost sure you will one day see something you cannot explain, it just tkes pacients.

They may be intelligent, but what makes you belive that they aren't interested in us? They may want to learn more about the way we live our lives, or they may come down to use our resources because we have such ample supplies of everything.

"To those who steadfastly point out that UFO's do not and cannot exist and quote Physics and science to back them ... Realize that we can only attempt to describe the universe in terms relative to things we can measure.

Just because a UFO has not definitely been measured (as far as we know officially) does not prove they do not exist"


Well thats my say, i hope you change your mind about saying they dont exist.

Nope, what you have said is just words and gossip people have pasted on to each other and i don't have to actually see it to believe it. I mean i have never seen God but i truly believe in him because they are tons of evidences that can be seen by any common human that stops and thinks about it, anyways i am going off topic but my point is that You don't have a Single Evidence that can Convince anyone here that they do exist! As i said before, pictures can be easily played with and so do videos.

I find your post rather hypocritical.

You start off by saying
"Listen to me people because this is for you own good" and "You know there isn't a thing Evidence that can prove me wrong" as if it automatically makes you correct and we should automatically switch to your view point. Yet when we post our counter proposal you start shouting (I say that because of the '!') and getting all defensive, and complaining that we are trying to convert you to bveleiving in Aliens.

We aren't tying to convert you to Athiesm or make you beleive in aliens, we simply pointed out the flaw in your arguement and asked you to be more open minded about the issue. Unlike yourself whose opening statement read as if you were automatically right and it was in our best interest to automatically beleive you.

There have been sooo many non-believers lately, but what if I told you that UFO's have been spotted so much that its not a joke nor a trick on the eye?

What if I told you that you Mishai cannot explain any of the UFO sightings, cow mutilations, perfect-bending's of the crop circles as well as people claiming to have been abducted and soon realized they have marks on their body for no apparent reason?.

If you want to convince me that aliens are fake, prove every point I said, wrong.

I will gladly prove to you every point but that will lead into another topic which isn't this one and that is rude of me to do. As for what you said Talon S, i am sorry if i seemed to sound rude but i was trying to tell you guys that there is no such thing as Aliens because there isn't anything that can actually prove that they do and that doesn't automatically makes me correct but it is the truth and everyone knows it.

There isn't any proof that they exist no, but that doesn't automatically mean they don't.
Statisically I simply see it as impossible life doesn't exist on other worlds. That however is my personal opinion, and although I beleive it to be true, you are all free to have your own beleives.

Unfortunately science can not disprove this only prove. i.e. if we find aliens, it is proven, if we never do, then it could always just be they are still to be found rather than don't exist.

This issue may as such never have an answer. Or at least an answer that ourselves or our species discovers.

Mishari, who told you that aliens don't exist? A religious pastor or a scientist? They both could be wrong or right. Pastors believe UFO's can be wrong or right, scientists think things the same way.

You shouldn't say aliens don't exist because someone told you, you should believe or not because thats what you came to the conclusion of.

And if I mocked you or taunted you in anyway in my last post, i'm sorry .

I'd say it's very possible they do exist, but I think it's also possible that people's general perceptions of them may be off.

I'm not sure about aliens, I think they have more chance of existing than things like chupas, but I don't think that they have been visiting here

Thats just my opinion though

Believing in God has nothing to do with believing if aliens exist or not.

I am Christian.... and I believe that it is possible that there is some other life form out there.

Just because it isn't in the Bible (which btw I believe in Gods word 100%).... doesn't mean that the existance of aliens isn't possible.

Maybe God didn't want us to know everything... ever thought about that?

Ok your just very stubborn, but there is simply alot of evidence, you just dont try to find the awnser.

Have you heard of the Soho observatory? Well if you have, maybe you would know about the recent images they have been taking. Nasa will not state what exactly the images are yet, but a group of scientists have been trying to get awnsers from them.

Soho made it into the news papers all around the world just a few weeks ago.

Click Here

There is almost 100 images containing things that have never been captured before on camera, simply because Soho is 1.5 million miles away from our earth.
The objects are belived to be within a few miles of the lens.

Here is a moving object all objects are taken facing the sun. And NONE have been tampered with, as nasa released them without knowledge of what were on them.


The SOHO of the European Space Agency (ESA) is part of a larger effort known as the International Solar-Terrestrial Physics (ISTP) science initiative. This picture is one of hundreds that two Spanish scientists have collected from two satellites in the past two years.


If you actually interested in finding out more, im sure you will go to google and look up some more info regaurding the subject.


Why would researchers around the world spend billions of dollers funding projects to find extraterrestrials?

Have you ever heard of Seti?

SETI, or the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, is a scientific effort aiming to determine if there is intelligent life out in the universe. There are many methods that SETI scientific teams use to search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Many of these search billions of radio frequencies that flood the universe, looking for another civilization that might be transmitting a radio signal. Other SETI teams search by looking for signals in pulses of light emanating from the stars.

They have already recevied 3 signals, which cant be confirmed still. The latest one was on march of 2004. Scientists are still stumbled upon the discovery, because it is one of the largest signals ever sent yet.

Click Here

No one knows for sure what caused this signal. There is a slight possibility that it just might originate from an extraterrestrial intelligence. The bright colors on the blue background indicate that an anomalous signal was received here on Earth by a radio telescope involved in a Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI). A search for these signals is ongoing by several groups including volunteer members of the SETI League. Time labels the vertical axis of the above plot, and frequency marks the horizontal axis. Although this strong signal was never positively identified, astronomers have identified in it many attributes characteristic of a more mundane and ultimately terrestrial origin. In this case, a leading possibility is that the signal originates from an unusual modulation between a GPS satellite and an unidentified Earth-based source. Many unusual signals from space remain unidentified. No signal has yet been strong enough or run long enough to be unambiguously identified as originating from an extraterrestrial intelligence.


So please stop with your Wahh ufos dont exist because you have crap all for proof of that they dont exist, show us evidence stating this, other then that a friend of a friend told you.

I have seen a ufo, and i know for a fact it was not just a damn airplane, we sat there for an hour and fifteen minutes watching this object hover back and forth, with lights that seemed to attach right to it as it moved slowly down towards a water collection resivior. I know for a fact what me and the other two people saw was not man made, because we even got out of the vehicle and no sounds were heard other then coyotes howling. I strongly belive in other life, because there is so much money spent towards finding out about it, that its just impossible that were never going to find anything.

It is said we find a new planet every 3 days, so if you add that up in a year from now, we will know of more then 900 new planets. As technology gets better, we can see further, and study more about our universe, there is no limits to how far it goes.

Its almost impossible that some other life doesnt exist, knowing that "where there is water there is life" This is what alot of scientists belive, as to why they are looking on planets that look like they once had water, such as mars. Even if they happen to find a microbe it will still prove that were not alone, as these life forms could be millions of years old.


Seeming you dont seem to know much about the ufo phenomenon here is some Pictures of the Nellis airforce sighting. This is done from highly trusted sources, and is not faked in any way. Scientists belive it could be a top secret project, but other sources state that They never film secret projects, because they can get leaked to the public easily.





Take note this was recorded for over 5 minutes there is 2 videos which were leaked to the public. The object seems to move in any direction it wants whenever it decides to. It first moves to the Left at a normal rate, then moves up to the left a bit faster. After those movements it starts changing shape, and moves erraticaly across the cameras field of vission.





Im sure no matter what people do you are always going to have your opinions, but it sure would be nice if you joined this Unexplained forums, with a better attitude towards these things.

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What is it with the crankiness? geez...

Fine, you have already stated what you believe, you made it pretty clear you weren't looking to have you mind changed...This thread seems rather pointless to me as does your attitude towards what others have posted in response to your initial comments.

Why would you start a thread if you were not looking for an exchange of ideas anyway?

I think its kind of funny to see peeps here defending the existence of UFOs like christians defending their belief of God in another thread, which 'proofs' in both cases can be dismissed or interpreted in ways the believer want. Well I believe in both and the possibility of many other seemingly ridiculous things so dont get me wrong.

Well, after that little outburst I'd like to say there is nothing you or anyone else can do to prove to me that God (Allah) exists.

Ok, got it?

I think no one has the ability to say weather Aliens exist or don't exist until the entire universe has been spanned and examined. Only then can you really say if something out there exists or not.

I think Mishari is living proof of his own doubtful question...
Vimjams

I find it funny that someone who believes in God is here telling us that theres no reason to believe in aliens, because theres no evidence... yet he believes in God...

He is right though. There isnt any hard evidence that any of these UFOs are alien in origine. Sightings of something unidentified (even though that is the definition UFO... I believe Mishari means UFOs of alien origine) does not mean its alien... It just means its something unidentified. However, the law of probability serves as soft evidence that aliens do exist somewhere... not necessairly intelligent, not necessairly near us, but somewhere.

Lol it is quite funny.

I find it funny how that someone who is convinced that there is no God or aliens,
can make such a bold statment about the law of probablility.

i find it funny how Q-La has been abducted by an alien but doesnt know it yet

When did I say that I'm convinced theres no aliens? And why is it a bold statement? Its logical to assume that since life developped on Earth, the universe is VERY large, a single Galaxy like ours contains billions of stars, that theres some other life form somewhere in the universe. I admit theres no evidence, but its logical.

Huh... This is like the incident in one of those WB catroons
about the Rabbit saying yes over and over, and the duck saying
no, over and over; when suddenly the rabbit says no, and the
duck says yes just for the sake of contrast. ain't I a stinker?

A smart famous guy once said something like this:

It is a primitive form of thought to think that things either exist or don't exist.

All the arguing about 'aliens' existing or not, seems.......well..........primitive.

( You know it's actually written in the Bible that we don't know it all, because God said our hearts would fail us if we knew everything.)

I think this topic is just an excuse to cause an arguement!
Everyone knows that you can't prove or dis-prove aliens, and some people like Mishari don't want to believe and never will. I doubt he would believe if he was abducted at lunch time, in front of a tv newscrew, and a transplant put into his forehead that stuck out 2 inches!!

Mishari try to open your mind. Everything that is written in the bible has so many meanings that no one has ever realy understood what exactly says. There is some refering to aliens in the bible. Read it well, try to make your own opinion on things.

I do believe in GOD but I don't know who He realy is. I'm sure that what the bible says should not be taken literaly.

And just think about it a little... Bilions and bilions of stars wich have their own planets.... The probability of extraterestrial life (more intelligent and advanced than we are) to exist is enormous. I don't think that you should just drop all the facts and believe in something just because people tell you.

Like I said open your mind.

Yes exactly!
Mishari, it's time you begin thinking for yourself instead of letting others tell you what you should, and should'nt believe in. You should do some research on the subject of UFO's, and conclude your own facts. I for one believe in UFO's, this Universe is way too huge for earth to be the only planet with life on it. But that's my opinion. I also believe, because I have seen odd things in the night sky. But then again, as I said, "This is my opinion."

First My grandmother played at her church for 45 years and was deeply religious and she said there is nothing in her bible which states that there is no other worlds of people in fact it says the opposite.

Where do you think the angels came from???Where did Mohammed came from?? If you read the Koran and the Bible you wil find many many instances of references to other worlds and other peoples.

Eizekels wheel was built by a NASA scientists and shows it was a space-craft.

Also the Church recently debated evolution with science and while the church nowadmits that evolution is factual thay want science to acknowledge that the soul came to be at the same time we evolved.

Also as for no scientific evidence again your ill-informed.

There is concrete scientific evidence in the form of two hair samples PCR and DNA tested and the results might astound you and change your mind.

As your stating that science wil convince you here is the evidence you have not seen.

I am personal friends of the scientists involved in the tests as well as the person who the hair samples came from.

I also maintain both their websites. So for evidence you dont know about....

For evidence click here:http://www.theozfiles.com/

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Well everyone has their own theory and opinion on aliens and personally mine is I think they do exist somewhere out there.....

All this talk of God and 'aliens' existing, what are people's thoughts on the devil existing?

Here's some new artwork of mine, of what I consider to be devils.

Makes alot more sense than 'space aliens', that's for sure.


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One of the many reasons why I think there are not "Space Aliens" visiting us from another Solar System, is due to Einstein's theory of Relativity.

If an alien were to look at us from a far away galaxy, or solar system, what they would see would be the ancient past. At even further distances, one might see nothing at all where Earth is, because they'd be looking so far into the past, that our solar system wouldn't have formed yet... So, it is hard to believe, aliens would propel themselves from another planet towards a place that may have no life at all, considering they likely would not be able to see millions of years into the future.

Also, at the speed of light, or at even lower speeds, it would take many, many years to travel to distant solar systems. Upon reaching the planet you propelled yourself towards, your own planet would have aged drastically in comparison to yourself. I don't know the exact equations, but if a group of 'aliens' travelled away from their planet several light-years away, travelling at just under light-speed, in the span of let's say, a couple hundred years, and then returned to their planet at the same speed, something like 20,000 years would have gone by on their home planet, while only a few hundred would have went by in the ship.

So it wouldn't make sense to return to your planet after you leave it, because you'd return in unrealistic timeframes, and it would take many generations for people to accomplish the journey on the ship.

So what do you think? Do you think that maybe the 'aliens' travel in different dimensions, allowing them to by-pass Einstein's theory of Relativity? And if not, and you believe 'aliens' exist, where do you think the UFO's go when not in use, if not back to their home planet? As it is very illogical, and unrealistic, that UFO's would fly back and forth through distant space, from their planet to ours, using high speed craft.[/b]

Aliens and God are not mutually exclusive. And, as much as some people might like to think otherwise, we are NOT the "be-all, end-all" creatures of the universe...

Please provide this evidence.

yes aliens do exist, its far to arogant to assume that we are the only beings ANYWHERE, i mean we aren't even that special, surely theres some other species out there...

aliens exist......

I can't say they exsist, and I can't say they don't.

Just because the statistics show the possibility is there, doesn't mean the possibility has happened.
Just because there's no obvious hard concrete evidence, doesn't mean they're not there.

I don't understand how people can be so sure without any kind of evidence either way.

But then, I believe in God, and I have my proof there, but it's subjective... it's only true, it's only understood, the proof only works... for me. So maybe that's where it comes from for others.

This is what i have to say to you. What i write is exactly and 100% my own opinion and thought, i have asked those ppl just to add a like more information to what i already know of about Aliens from Sites and books. So there isn't a single person that forces me to think that they want me to think and what they want me to believe.



As for you my friend, Just look outside your window and see the living things around you. Do you acutally think that it was just a mircale that happened and poof we came out all of a sudden. Of course someone created this Universe that keeps and has been going in the same time and order for millions of years without something going wrong or a planet sliping in the wrong direction.

Yeah i have thought about the Fact that God doesn't want us to know everything and it is true, i mean there are still a lot of stuff that are mysterious to us such as the other forms of life existing and the fact that we don't know where is hevean and hell but that is a different issue than what we are discussing.

Also Your theory _CHIN_ is very interesting and it could be very true and it is impoissble for a ship to just come and visit us and then go back to it's planet that is over 50 billion light years away.

You see most of you are kind of blinded by what the media shows to us and what people show on TV is what they want you to believe but you don't have to but still you can't ignore the effect that the media has posessed on you by visuale images that could perhaps amaze you. You don't have to believe what other ppl believe in, you have your own opinions and facts about what you think and what you want to believe me, no one can make you believe what you don't want to believe. Anyways what i am trying to say is that just because other ppl have seen some unusual objects or lights, they don't have to be automatically be UFO's sightings.

We didn't just 'happen' or 'came out all of a sudden' from a 'poof' (which I must say, is a really funny sentence if you take it slang meaning into account ). We are the product of 15 billion years on nature's random actions. However, this is a debate which has been argued so many times on this forum its not worth repeating.

First of all, if you want to look at probabilities, the probability is that there shouldn't even be life on earth, much less anywhere else. Even if you don't bring religion into it, there is still much disbelief in aliens. Life on other planets is just something dreamed up by Hollywood and now everytime someone sees a light in the sky, they believe it's a UFO and they tell all their friends about it and they tell other friends and so on. Every single photo of UFO's out there can be proven to have been doctored.

Is there life on other planets? I simply do not know. In my belief, it's very possible that God could have created life on other planets and just didn't tell us about it. Are they much more advanced? How could they be? If the universe is only so old and it takes so much time for things to calm down, a planet to be created and for life to take hold, they wouldn't be much much older than us.

In my opinion, aliens is just another ploy by Satan to get humans off the ball. The general reaction by everyone if we were to find life on other planets would be to first say God doesn't exist and evolution can happen because it happened on a planet far away. Why wouldn't Satan create this illusion?

I dont really believe in GOD but have faith and respect for mother nature.
If the almighty power that created this infinate universe only created life on Earth he must of been a wasteful.
A bit like having a huge garden with only one flower in it.

At school so I have to do this in sections while Im waiting for the teacher to give more work...



Thats not proof... thats not even evidence. Thats worse than the guy that says he saw a light in the sky and claims its proof of aliens. And keep in mind, that even if this was evidence of *a* god, that doesnt mean your god "Allah" is the right one. Suffice it to say, you've got no proof of god.

No, you're mistaken, the probability is that somewhere there should be life. If there was only 1 planet in the universe, then the law of probability would dictate that the chances for life evolving on that planet are low... but when you take into account the sheer vastness of the universe, the law of probability dictates that there is life somewhere. So basically, the law of probability does NOT prove that life on the Earth was an act of god or anything like I think you think.




I know there is much disbelief in aliens... so what? Theres much disbelief in a lot of things.



First of all, I dont care if you believe in life on other planets or not, but dont think its something dreamed up by hollywood... its a possibility which is supported by the law of probability.

Second of all, if someone sees a light in the sky and they dont know what it is... it is, by definition, a UFO. UFO=Unidentified Flying Object. However, I do agree with you that people seem to take it too far and dont consider any down to earth explenations and often jump to the conclusion that its alien.

Third of all... Please tell me you dont believe that every single photo of UFO's has been/can be prooven to be doctored, because that means that there are no authentic pictures of a light in the sky which could just be a meteor, a satellite, an aircraft... Thats not what you mean, is it?



Not necessairly... think of dinosaurs.



If thats your belief, fine.

No Stellar, I didn't mean that every photo of lights and whatever are doctored. I meant every picture with the typical metallic flying disk in the sky has been doctored. I've always heard from scientists and mathematicians alike that the way our planet is now, perfectly suitable for life, the perfect distance from the sun, the distance of other stars, the moon being where it is...a perfect distance to maintain our ecosystems (closer or further would dictate catastrophe), the size of the sun, everything is in PERFECT alignment for life to exist on earth. IN MY OPINION, if it wasn't created, then our being here, under these perfect conditons and having the intelligence we have now is almost an impossibility. The odds are astronomical that earth just rested right where it is and has been right here for all these billions of years, while other planets are farther away, seeing as though we all spinned out of the sun at the same time right?

Not necessairly. Could be real, could be black projects... could be a satellite falling to Earth. Also remember that there were some confiscated nazi planes which did have a round appearance (they werent completely round, but maybe they could be mistaken for round if they fly high enough.)



Even if that was so, eventually A planet would have all those characteristics and be able to support life. What would you say the chances of Earth like conditions are? 1 in a trillion? Fair assessment? Get a computer program to run a simulation where it picks a number between 1 and a trillion... what are the odds of it picking 2? Not much chance of that... but run the program 1 trillion times or more, and eventually 2 will be picked.

Now, the whole logic behind this is that Earth is perfectly suited for life, which isnt completely true. While there are certain limits I'd imagine, the things you mentioned wouldnt necessairly inhibit life if they didnt happen the way they did. Life adapted to its environment... if something was different, life could still arise... except different life. Its a common misrepresentation, but think of it... Mars could even have supported a form of life. Long story short, life is suited for the environment, not the environment for life.



Can you elaborate on this? Other planets ARE farther away from the sun... whats your point? What do you mean were spinning out of the sun? We're not in the sun...

Oh boy...... My head hurts.

Mishari-I hate it when people use God to argue about aliens..... if there is a God, do you think you would really be able to understand his will better than the rest of us? Asking why God would or would not do something is a waste of breath, especially if you try to use it to back your side of an argument. However, to play devils advocate, I suppose you are right, there is no hard scientific evidence that can prove to us that there is other life in the universe. Of course there is no hard evidence that can prove to us that there is a God, or that you or I have a soul, etc.. Its just like people who believe in aliens, all you have to go on is your thoughts, your feelings, what you believe is true, and you put your faith in the idea that you will not be mislead by others.
Here me out now: You believe in Allah. But what is Allah? and I dont mean what kind of a god is Allah, but WHAT is Allah? From where did Allah originate? I actually am somewhat familiar with the Quar'an, so i am not looking for that type of answer, nor am I trying to ask you if it is possible if Allah is an alien. (the whole God/Alien theory is a little to New-Agey for me). What I am asking is this: If Allah has always been there how was Allah aware of itself, before anything else existed? Before the creation of the world, was Allah the only thing is existence? If not where did the other things come from? The point im trying to make is this, the fact that you devoutly believe in God/Allah/Yhwh is just as strange to me as my beliefs are to you.. some people may not understand how you could belive that there is this all knowing, benevolent, all controling, not really a life form, cant be seen, cant be heard, cant be tasted, touched or felt, thing, out there that created me and you, and has complete control not only over our lives, but what happens to us after our lives. *phew* when there is not a SINGLE SHRED of evidence to prove it. NONE. you are being led by other people, their thoughts, their opinions, their beliefs, you are having the proverbial wool pulled over your eyes by people who are telling you, "this is real". they are playing on the fact that you WANT to believe in Allah, so they say here is the Quar'an, it is the undisputide word of Allah, given to the Angels, who told it to Muhammed. It is the EVIDENCE you want to see, so that you can BELIEVE that your OPINION is real... people who believe in life on other planets, or look at a picture and say "wow a UFO" are not doing anything different than you... they are seeing what they want to believe is real...

very well put.
by the way- does anyone else think this topic is more religous than UFO? shouldnt it be posted in a different forum?

I still think that UFO is not exist unless someone catch any it can be by any ways u like to bring down the so call U can catch them down with spiderwebs like spiderman or shoot it down with any missiles.Handcuffs the alien.The problem is noone dare to confront the so call"Alien" object when he or she saw it.Photos can't be good proof as many photos can be make fake by all types of new technology.For those who think UFO exist make sure u catch any down before ur last day living in this world so that u can kick our ass like nobody business lol