Umm... I dont think the problem is people not thinking about downing the UFO.... I think the problem is more along the lines of not having missiles sold in stores as personal defense weapons...

I don't agree with that statement, and neither you or I have the proof required to convince me otherwise.

I as well. I could see a metallic disk in a picture being doctored, but certainly not a UFO in a video. I've seen many video shoots and many of them show metallic disks, I have no impression that they were doctored.

However, if it were to be explained otherwise form the government and prove to us that they do have metallic UFO's, my decision would probably be restated.

Here is a russian plan. They have over 500,000 of these pictures describing exact dimensions and everything.

I think they get reverse engineers on the site of any crash, then they try to duplicate the technology using what we have now, and they come up with some pretty good stuff.

Anyways sourpatchkid has almost the same belifs as i do. I really think its impossible that we could belive in god, seeming that if he created us, then someone or something must have created him etc etc. It just doesnt make any sense to me that someone could possibly be alive before anything was here, so with that said there must be more to life then were told.

im tired don't got much time to chat, but as others stated this does seem like more of a religious topic rather then the question about ufos.

Actually, its not too hard to doctor videos and add UFOs to them too...

Ok. you can't proove God or aliens.
But that does't mean that they don't exist!

i just don't buy thats there a supreme being who controls everything and made everything, i can understand why people do, but i really can't see that being the case, i believe theres aliens alot more than i believe in a god...

Because of probability?
I think it takes just as much faith to believe in God as aliens.

Moe beleives in aliens and god. For they are one and the same. They told Moe these things.
they come for us every tuesday. Last tuesay, they did many things to Moe. The prodded us with needles and made us play cricket while wearing a furry purple moo-moo.

See this why everyone missed moe

Don't make fun of moe!
As wierd as it may sound, there is truth is some of what he says!


Seriously, when you make such a forbidden (secret) statment, you don't
go and spoil your post by adding in things like "furry purple moo-moos"!
Not that I don't believe you, but the part about the needles and the
moo moos, just.... Well, its not likely.

They do exist and that's all there is to it. Let's just say I know someone that has that information.

And I'll just say: "Why should we believe you?"

You don't have to believe me.

Just felt like I had to finally comment on this...after watching this board for 2 months now.

citiesxinxdust, please tell us what u believe (or what you know)
don't worry about the others, I'll back you up if your story
is too bizzare.

I was thinking the same thing!

I thought we were debating the existance of UFO's, not God.
Or did I hallucinate?!
I must've been brainwashed by the aliens....

Yep! Moe's back! Aint' it great?!

Please do tell!! You can't just say something like that and leave us hanging... We can keep a secret...

The space is big, math resaults also indicates that just by chance that there is other civliation live out there is overwhelming.

Your outcome is wrong.

Why do you belive in god, he also haven't proofed that he existed.

There is nothing that proof that god exist. God has not proofed that he exist.

They go along whit the alien "theory" however.

if there are no aliens out there, why do god create such a humongous universe with several dimensions to go with it?

Feels so lonely without them out there.

You think the reason why we "haven't found" any aliens is that we don't really know what we are looking for? Or perhaps we may have found communication signals but they brush it off as space noise. How exactly do our scientist know what they are looking for? What they are expecting from another alien race in communication?

man, don't you people get it? God is an Ultra-Terrestial!


Yes! Even the Bible says that God is 3 parts:
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

1. God the Father is the all invisible force, the source of all life and action in
the universe!
2. God the Son is our connection between God the Father. He was physically
born into this world, physically crucified, and supernaturally rose from the
dead! After returning to His godly state, having a distinct physical presence,
He was seen and touched by many people before He ascended to
what something called a "cloud". I could present a logical explaination about
the "cloud" theory, but I'm only going to if someone here wants me to.
ok. well, thats ok. But seriously, UFO and these so called "aliens" which
are no aliens, but rather God and His angels - have been here since our
existance! They dwell in space. They have their own planet with a city.
Jesus has a mothership! And he's comng back! He''s going to take us
christians to a wonderful planet we call paradise! It'll be wonderul.
Then while the people of the earth are on the brink of self-destruction,
we'll come back, and kill your leader - the Beast. Then, Jesus and His
angels - including us will set up a new kigdom here!....
Ah, now I got
carried away! Now, I told you the whole story! Aww! Now, you're gonna
make fun. I just know it.... I know it. I know it.

Ok. forget what I wrote. I just want to say, that God is
an ultra-terrestial. Don't get mad at me for saying that
because the word ultra is not the same as extra.

I was under the impression that this was a thread about if aliens existed.
God topics usually dont last very long. Back on track please.

Norman, could you refrain from preaching? Mishari's belief in Allah was shot down enough in this thread, what makes you think your beliefs wont have the same outcome?

I was just about to do that actually

Actually that's a very good question. How can scientist assume that what they hear is "only" space noise? How do scientist know what space sounds like anyway? And if there wasn't somekind of movement and life out there, then how can there be noises? Noise has to come from something. Maybe it's been recorded and documented as space noise, when actually it's been aliens trying to contact us, or passing by.



Maybe the scientist are waiting to hear the aliens say,"HELLO, WE ARE HERE TO TAKE OVER YOUR PLANET. STANDBY AS WE ASSUALT YOUR WOMEN, AND TAKE YOUR CHILDREN, ......AND DESTROY THE REST OF YOU." *shiver* I'm glad I'm a woman. Hummmm...... Wait a minute! That' wouldn't be a good thing either would it???

space noise isnt an accurate term. What they do mean is emissions from suns and pulsars and other such things.

I'm not making fun of moe, I'm laughing at his joke.

Mishari, I met someone once, who was interested in UFOs, and various
and sundry spin-off topics. Like you, I stood my ground. With my feet
on solid earth, and my head in the books, I refused to compromise.

He actually chided me- not only was I new to such off-the-beaten track
avocational interests, I was never before assailed for trying to remain
objective. That was my rude introduction to the world of the unexplained.
I continued debating him- but he claimed first hand knowledge.
You can not debate such a claim, so I gave up.

Nonetheless, I also saw something I could not explain. It was during
a time when our state, our part of the country was swamped with reports
of anomolies in the skies. I read only one or two magazine articles,
and so I was not a proponent, in public, but to a few friends, I told what
I saw.

Now, I look up when I can, day or night, just in case. I even want to get a
good used telescope and camera, because Venus is just too cool.
But, believe me, when I look 'out there', I get frustrated. Why no
glorius events in living technicolor? If only...

But it strikes me- do I really want a sudden and open appearence from a
vastly superior 'explorer'? What would be the course of events in such
a revelation? If you think about it, it presents many theoretical problems,
and some disasterous possibilities.
If someone is in our neighborhood, they would be discrete, if they wanted
to gather objective data. So, from that respect, it becomes a subject
of little objective research promise. And, skeptics are entitled to an opinion
based on testable data. There is little...


I have done a lot of thinking lately, as I look up into the night sky.
I have a whole new perspective. Like you, I consider various angles-
social, inter-social, cultural implications, scientific and financial,
even religious- although more along lines of reactionary forces
among die-hard fundamentalists.

At this point, UFOs and aliens, or not...my main objective is to learn
about the discoveries that promote a better planet, in the long-run.
The long-run is here, now.

If another civilization knows of us, and our state of planetary affairs,
and wishes to contribute- fine. Otherwise- I will consider them only
a curiosity, as long as we are not interfered with. One can not simply
rule out further life forms in our Milky Way, we are testament to
a workable, and potentially repeatable set of circumstances.
I would welcome visitation, if it occured.

Until then, the our own planetwatchers are entitled to hope, and discuss,
and debate their findings or reports. Better safe than sorry...

Frankly, I was reading a report from the mid-1950s, on a radio telescope
that was gauging the then-unknown size and shape of our own Galaxy.
I have since read more, and now believe I can convince myself that
the very type, size, age, and layout of the Milky Way makes our
neighborhood an interesting place to investigate; if for no other reason
than astrophysical data gathering. We stand out like a sore thumb...

Take Care

Remember mars attack? lol Miscommunication. Will our scientist really will invent a translation device that can really translate alien launguage accurate?

Meep meep! meep meep!

They communicate by telepathy. They read your minds so get out your foil hats .

It would be irrational to assume that just because we cannot see aliens, or proof thereof, that they do not exist. Humans haven't even been to another planet in our own solar system, led alone explored any of the 20 billion planets (give or take) within this galaxy.

okay i am going to say this for the last time. I believe in God and there are tons and tons of hard and real evidence that proves he exists and i don't want to list and talk about these evidences because that is not why i started this thread but here is one example of that he exists in you( how do you think you were created and how you came to this world, you think some science miracle made you?? if you do then you must be the dumbest person on earth, i am sorry to say that but you can believe in whatever you want).

Aliens don't exist and there isn't ONE single evidence that proof they exist anymore. You see i think they DID exist a long time ago when we did exist too, but we didn't have the advacned technology to know what they are and communciate with them.

wait....... it was a joke?
You guys should warn me when you use sarcasm like that.
A correct use of the smilies should help, but I really can't
see the true intentions of your posts. I believed what moe said
because it falls in line with the Bible UFO connection.
Well, I made a fool of myeself. Anyway...



Mishari, let me correct you on that... You, and everyone of you
people, do not know if there are or if there are't aliens out there.
Rebember the law of absolutes. If you don't believe in aliens, but
if they do exist, then you have a blind faith. Speaking of blind faith...
Now, people have told me that you cannot proove God logically or
in nature. And they're wrong. Thats just one of the most powerful ways
to proove His existance. I'll make a topic about this later on the
Spiritual/Skepticism section. It'll be called: The origin of life.
Anyway, anyone who says that there is no God, has not thought about
it enough. And I also encourage people to think before you believe.
And remember, you do not know that there is a God or if there is't.
You cannot proove a spiritual being physically (even if He exists).

Dude, There are tons and tons of evidence that can prove that God(Allah) exists and everyone sees that but you know what ppl do, ppl hear and see what they want to hear and see and don't care about the truth but it is out there only the unblinded by this world can see it and here is a tip for you ppl. If you keep thinking a lot about this world and keep working just to live in this world and forget about the after life that you and every living creature will have then the after life won't Turn out to be good for you and So will this Life!

Actually, unless I'm mistaken, theres more than 100 stars in the galaxy.



Thats not fair. I'm one of the dumbest people on the Earth? I guess I'm getting my high grades by luck, right? Please, watch who you call dumb. Take it back now cuz a mod is gonna close this thread soon. Let me also point out that what you just presented is not evidence of God. Let me also point out that theres just about as much evidence of aliens as god... except for the fact that the law of probability also dictates that there's some form of life somewhere else, and that puts aliens over the top.



There isnt one single shred of evidence that proves that god exists. Not even the law of probability.



No, they're not. Let me show you how I can flip what Mishari used as "evidence" used as evidence of God once into evidence of aliens.

"How do you think that the Earth is so perfcetly suited to life?! Aliens terraformed it and then created us and all of the animals on the earth!"

Both what he said and what I said is wrong, and therefor it isnt evidence at all.



Please, you said you're gonna create a thread about it in the spirituality and skepticism section, so do it... just stop provoking me and others here. This isnt the spirituality and skepticism section, incase you havent noticed.



Lol, this oughtta be interesting... Mishari claiming he has proof of Allah... and Norman claiming that theres proof of the biblical god... (too many names to mention)... Infact... they're using the same argument to defend their beliefs

Is there anychance we could keep on track? It is my belief that this thread is about proof or lack thereof of Extra-Terrestrial life, or aliens if you will. Theological/Religious discussions should be in another thread, on the Spirituality forum.

Thanks.

I invite you all to my new topic later.
It'll be in the spiritual/scepticism section.
But, for now... I'll just say that aliens probably do exist.

Lets see..:
Aliens: We dont have proff of his existance, but his existance is into the realm of posibility.
God: The posibility of a beign that can surpass, or redone, everything we know about science and our world. That can create worlds in a few days, create life fron nothing (no material base, even inorganic), and whit all trhat power, act like a 8 years old boy.....


PS: What are the "tons of evidence" of the existance of God, Allah, budda or anything?

PS: What are the "tons of evidence" of the existance of God, Allah, budda or anything?
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probably a shirt, or a shoe they found, and said omg its gods shoe, wow, this is proof. lol.


You cant prove either as of right now, only time will tell, maybe Seti or another organization will one day just release the information stating wheather they exist or not, with given proof.

[Stellar: Actually, unless I'm mistaken, theres more than 100 stars in the galaxy]

There are a lot more than 100 stars in our galaxy. Estimates show approx. 100-400 billion of them within our galaxy. I based my number-of-planets-guess on the assumption that not all stars would be suitable for housing planets.

External references:
http://collections.ic.gc.ca/universe/galaxies_answers04.html
http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20010810.html
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=31

As for the original topic creator, Mishari, I would be interested in seeing proof of God's existance. One could argue that alien evidence is everywhere (if not masked by a heap of hoaxes) through video tapes and photographs. However, I have never once come across a picture or video that contains any evidence (or even a possible hoax) of God. If you have one, please link me. I would be much interested.

sh**, did I say 100? My bad, I meant to say more than 100 billion. Guess I forgot to add the "billion"

first there is ZERO "proof" of any god. I've seen better evidence towards aliens then any god! did you even try to look at both sides with an open mind? if not then you are the dumb one for assuming!

what will happen to you if NASA confirms that there has been life on Mars? Are you going to give up you're beliefs? kill yourself because you cant handle it, or just accept the fact that there is other life out there? we already know that there were oceans on Mars, and there is great evidence to show liquid water still on mars. and water is a great place for life to begin (speaking of life as we know it)



http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/june20...ping/index.html

and why would you post this topic anyways? it would be like me posting in a religious section stating god doesnt exist because i say there is proof of aliens (which i dont clain to have)

alot of religious people have now accepted the fact that there could be life elsewhere, and they believe in god... so what do you think of them?

Hi! I'm one of them! Yep I am, little ol' Earthy me!

Aliens don't exist.......well everyone gots a opinion. I believe they do.

I'm guessing that everyone who doesn't believe in aliens is dismissing the evidence of everything unexplained as human made...... .......then I cluck like a devil .

I used a ' '

YEAH!! You tell em' D12 !!

This is one of the stupidest forums! Why is it that everyone has to argue over whether aliens, God, or whatever else exists?!
Everyone has the right to their own opinion. You can't change our minds, no more than we can change yours Mishari !
So why even continue on with this topic? It sounds to me as if you are only looking for an arguement.
If you want a good arguement then I suggest you go over to the Spiritual/Skeptics forum. There they will get your dander up, and give you a good arguement.

Mishari stands vindicated, in my eyes.
And, I do think it is worthy for him to open the topic.
He wants things to stand up to scrutiny.
He has a strong personal faith, that is unshakable,
yet it stands up to scrutiny, according to him.
However, he feels not even the slighest faith in the
evidence he considers, when thinking about aliens/UFOs.

Kudos to his developing (and he has plenty of time) standards.

As for myself, I became excited, for Blazea's post appeared
to bear the imprimitur of NASA, at the highest levels.

I wondered what angstroms were represented in the pictures,
presented by Blazea, and things ran through my head...
while SOHO has several filter wheels, the likley candidate
would appear to be around 175 angstroms/far ultraviolet.
Certainly, not more extreme. ON the other hand, the could have
used a white-light filter- they must have one, but the picture
had color codes.

So, I wondered about their H-Alpha filter, which they must have,
even though I have not seen any such studies. That would
be around 6563 angstroms. HOwever, the UFO exhibits
yellow and blue to an extent that rules out H-Alpha.

So I turned to what I told 'vimjams' about, pixel hits from
cosmic rays, on charged coupling devices. That was it.
I searched NASA files, and the sunspot data for that era,
in 2001, when the image was alleged to be taken. While
solar x-ray particles and cosmic particles can both distort
pixel counts and results, the facts bear out that 2001 was
selected by the perps, and that was co-incidental with
sunspot peak activity- a connection promoted by some
UFO researchers.

Therefore, the image is now de-bunked.
It was manipulated, and used to master-mind a large hoax.
And, I therefore will not argue with Mishari.

Sunspot data used as a cover.

From January, 2001. A montage of actual solar x-ray pixel hits.
In addition, how an enlarged area was made to look different.