Just a last topic for you guys to read really fast... there is a movie called "Waking Life" about just groups of people having conversations about what life really is, and what is reality, and lucid dreams and such... it is definitly a must see... i tell you... it definitly belongs in the mind section... because its like 1hr 15min or so about just conversation,, its like people, but a sketch drawn over the people and its really trippy, but the topics they talk about in these groups are crazy... i promise if you rent it you will not be SORRY!!!! reply if you have seen it