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mdulin2004

Sep 14 2004, 03:50 AM

In 1997 God told me Aliens Exist and They Are Demons. He gave me a vision where I saw two UFOs. I detailed the dream on my website.

I have been praying for a dream or a vision about the prophecy and the end times. My husband and I go camping to hear from God. This weekend we went camping and I had another vision in the form of a dream.

Below is a copy of an email describing the dream. I did some research on what I saw and amazingly found a photo on this site of exactly what I saw. It was a Blue Orb.

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Blessings,

As some of you already know in 1997 the Lord gave me a vision of two UFOs and told me Aliens are Demons, They are Coming and They are not Nice.

Recently I've been praying for more dreams and visions concerning the end times and last night I dreamed of this. I know this dream is from the Lord. It had the characteristics of a vision exactly like I had before. It was extremely vivid and I was more of an observer of the events than an actual participant although I did experience intense emotion as a reaction to the things I saw.

I dreamed that Brandon and I were camping and we were looking out of our tent at the sky. Brandon said look, and he pointed at the sky. There was a bright neon blue light that was moving very quickly across the sky. It was somewhat transparent and it looked like the moon except it was blue. As it moved closer to the trees it transformed into vehicle appearance similar to what a flying saucer or space ship might look like. It still looked like it was made out of neon blue light.

As it dissappeared behind the trees, suddenly a helicopter flew right near it and hovered over the trees. The helicopter had USA on the side of it along with some other words. Suddenly we looked ahead of us and we saw an alien lurched on top of a car. He was in a catlike position as if he was about to pounce. There was an officer standing in front of him with a flashlight. The alien looked exactly like the ones many claim to have seen. Skinny, large head and big black eyes.

Brandon and I began to rebuke the devil and take the authority of Jesus. Then we put on sneakers and prepared to run. (end of dream)

At this point, I believe the Lord keeps showing me these things because he wants his people to be aware that these manifestations are happening and they are about to become a reality to everyone. Sightings, abductions and crop circles are real. They are called phenomenons but they are very explainable and have been confirmed by many as demonic activity.

This is a very dramatic deception that is occuring in our generation and is preparing to deceive all mankind. These are signs in the heavens (UFO's) and signs in the earth (crop circles) and angels of light (demonic beings/aliens). Be aware that these things are happening and God's word is true.

There is one true God and creator of mankind, one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ. Besides Him there is no other.

Things are going to begin to become very unbelievable in our generation. Take heed to God's word and beware of lying signs and wonders whose intent is to deceive. Pray that God deliver you from the hour of temptation that is about to try the entire world and that He give you strength to endure until the end. He that endures unto the end, shall be saved.

Michelle Dulin
Denver, CO
End of The World Ministries
www.geocities.com/starrgerl/index.htm

moe eubleck

Sep 14 2004, 03:56 AM

Moe has had many such dreams as well. We beleive that the end is very near and that these evil aliens shall burn our sphere of existance with fire and ice.
The blue orb is actually not what it seems.

this orb is the source of power for the alien mothership. I am part of an organization who trains daily with drills and weapons tactics. We believe that destroying this orb shall purge our world of these evil beings.

join us mdulin! Join us in our quest for liberation from these wretched vile demons.
It has been many months of harsh training. We have used martial arts for empty handed skilss and we are currently developing new energry based weapons. God created the sun and with the power of our sun we shall smite these foul creatures to ruins.
We call oursleves the Crusaders of Moe. For Moe is who I am. And I am the founder of said quest.
Soon the blue orb shall be within our grasp.

mdulin2004

Sep 14 2004, 04:01 AM

QUOTE(moe eubleck @ Sep 14 2004, 04:56 AM)

We call oursleves the Crusaders of Moe. For Moe is who I am. And I am the founder of said quest.
Soon the blue orb shall be within our grasp.
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MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU!

moe eubleck

Sep 14 2004, 04:06 AM

The force is mere fiction compared to what powers the holder of the blue orb shall recieve.

the crusaders of Moe shall destroy the mothership and take the orb for themselves. With the power of the blue orb, We shall do GODS bidding and restore purity to the souls of all humankind. It shall follow with an era of peace never before seen in the long hostory of man.
I beg you to leave your false religion and join with the Crusaders. We are in need of a gifted seer such as yourself. What say you, Mdulin2004??

Magikman

Sep 14 2004, 04:06 AM

mdulin2004,

Don't start different threads addressing the same topic on the forum, that's a form of spamming and is not allowed. Keep your comments detailing your experience confined to the original thread. The other thread has been deleted.

MM

*Some helpful advise - there is a space in your profile for you to list your website link. It would be preferred that you use that instead of trying to add it to your avatar quote, the code doesn't work correctly there. Or alternately, the url code will work in the 'signature' quote block.

peacelover

Sep 14 2004, 04:24 AM

Dear Mdulin2004:
I read your post on the topic/article concerning "Orbs".

To the Moderators of our grand forum, I had posted a question to Mdulin on the above mentioned topic. If I may, I would like to post the question here. I do not wish to do anything in-appropriate or not allowed. In an effort to provide my question to Mdulin, I will post it here. You may tell me after if I have violated any rules. I apologize in advance, if I am wrong.

Question: With respect to you Mdulin and with respect to your faiths and beliefs. May I ask you, if you think it possible that if the "aliens" (or demons in your language) are demons, then is it not possible that God created the "alien"?

I always learned that God created all. I would have to think that this would also include the "alien" or "demon".

Just wondering

Thank you
Peacelover

Magikman

Sep 14 2004, 04:50 AM

Peacelover,

Your question is perfectly fine here, the reason 'mdulin2004's' blue orb thread was deleted is because it contains basically the same information as this thread. There's no reason to start redundant posts, although I notice she has once again tried to start another 'blue orb' thread despite my warning. There's a chance they won't be here long enough to answer your question.

Magikman

peacelover

Sep 14 2004, 04:57 AM

Dear Mdulin:

I am not sure what is happening here, but it seems that you have posted your story of your vision three times. Once in a topic starter/posting by Lionel - Majestic 12 Operator of an article about Julie Ryder. Then again in this topic starter created and posted by you. Again in another topic starter/posting by you entitled, "The Blue Orb".

I had posted a response to Lionel and asked in the same posting if I could respond to a posting you had placed to Lionel's sharing of the article pertaining to Julie Ryder and the "Orbs". It was there that I first read of your vision. It was there that I posted a question to you concerning God and the creation of Demons.

You responded to me at Lionel's topic starter/posting. I responded to you again there requesting that we communicate here at this topic starter/posting in which you created. I had felt it rude to continue communicating through Lionel's posting.

So, once again here I am with you.
In response to what you had posted at Lionel's topic starter/posting. May I please respond again. "So, God created the demons, the devil and satan" At least this is what I am understanding from you. If the demons are aliens and God is warning of the aliens - then - is not God warning of something created by God?

Well, well, well, what confusion has been created here?

Thank you Mdulin
Best wishes to you
Peacelover

moe eubleck

Sep 14 2004, 04:58 AM

It makes Moe very sad that such interesting people go poof simply because they cant seem to follow the posting guide lines.
We have had quite a few specimens here at UM.

Our dearest monster finder seemed to last the longest.

_CHIN_

Sep 14 2004, 06:30 AM

This thread would have been better if it was all about moe making up bullshit about aliens. Then even if it was posted a few times, nobody would care.

Stellar

Sep 14 2004, 11:39 AM

Right, and, what makes your "vision" any more correct than any other "vision" people where God told them to go out and kill people?

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This weekend we went camping and I had another vision in the form of a dream.

Yeah, hmm... in the form of a dream huh? What makes you think it wasnt a dream?

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There is one true God and creator of mankind, one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ. Besides Him there is no other.

Plz, dont preach.

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Things are going to begin to become very unbelievable in our generation. Take heed to God's word and beware of lying signs and wonders whose intent is to deceive. Pray that God deliver you from the hour of temptation that is about to try the entire world and that He give you strength to endure until the end. He that endures unto the end, shall be saved.

Yeah well, I dont see any word of god. I dont even believe in one.

MK ULTRA

Sep 14 2004, 02:04 PM

I agree with Stellar,people who believe in "visions" and messages from God always worry me slightly.
Serial Killers always talk about the voices,messages from god etc?

Have you ever considered these visions to be just dreams and a wild imagination.
Have you ever considered Jesus may of been an Alien- Wise men following the star(UFO),Jesus saying he came from the skys and is not of this earth,etc, If this is the case he must be an evil demon too then?

greychupa

Sep 14 2004, 04:51 PM

Read my lines :
I don't believe in God, and i never will. Why do some people try to convince others about its existence ?? Everybody has their own opinion.
To me, aliens are not demons but visitors from other galaxies.

Chris_com28

Sep 14 2004, 05:36 PM

How do you know that God isn't part of the deception and the aliens are bith good and bad just like us? Why do you have to class all extraterrestrial like as good or bad?
Like what most other people said, what you've expereiced is no different than a load of other people. I've had dreams about UFOs and while I feel it may mean something you can't tell for sure because it's just a dream. You just have to wait and find out. Just because something talks to you and you think it's good doesn't make it so.

[QUOTE]Pray that God deliver you from the hour of temptation that is about to try the entire world and that He give you strength to endure until the end.[QUOTE/]
Those who have lived have commited adultery in their hearts.

_CHIN_

Sep 14 2004, 08:48 PM

In some instances, people have certain 'dreams', but they weren't dreams at all, but rather, abductions or encounters. Alot of people that have experiences believe that it was a dream, even if there is physical evidence.

Some people in this forum will have had certain experiences, but think nothing of them, because they believe it was a dream, or even.... a hallucination.

That Woman's theory about 'aliens' being devils, and their controller, obviously satan, makes a hell of alot more sense than space aliens visiting us........... It makes much more sense that the 'aliens' came from Earth, and were created by Mankind many thousands of years ago.

Stellar

Sep 14 2004, 09:00 PM

Oh no? They werent dreams at all? You would know that how? Because it is an abduction, it cant be a dream? Alot of people have experiance that they believe are not dreams, but in all reality, they probably are!

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Some people in this forum will have had certain experiences, but think nothing of them, because they believe it was a dream, or even.... a hallucination.

And? So I guess that since I dreamt a while ago (when I was young, right after watching the Matrix) that I was at school and morpheus was there and I had a sword duel with Hitler... I guess I should accept that as a "vision" too? I guess that people who take tonns of medication and drugs, after seeing snakes come out of the walls, we should believe they had "vision" or that actually happened?

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That Woman's theory about 'aliens' being devils, and their controller, obviously satan, makes a hell of alot more sense than space aliens visiting us........... It makes much more sense that the 'aliens' came from Earth,

It doesnt to me! Well, it would if we just throw any scientific thought right out the window... but then again, so would the assumption that the aliens are angels sent by god to cause evil and harm, and so would the assumption that the aliens are actually dinosaurs squeezed into a humanoid suit 1/10th of their actual size.

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and were created by Mankind many thousands of years ago.

I havent even HEARD anyone say that yet.

_CHIN_

Sep 14 2004, 09:24 PM

Some people in this forum will have had certain experiences, but think nothing of them, because they believe it was a dream, or even.... a hallucination.

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And? So I guess that since I dreamt a while ago (when I was young, right after watching the Matrix) that I was at school and morpheus was there and I had a sword duel with Hitler... I guess I should accept that as a "vision" too? I guess that people who take tonns of medication and drugs, after seeing snakes come out of the walls, we should believe they had "vision" or that actually happened?

Did I say you should accept dreams of morpheous as visions? Did I say anyone should accept anything they see as a vision? No..... Did I say that people who have drug induced 'visions'..... their drug induced fantasy worlds are real? No......

What I did say, is what's written above.... What I wrote refers to people whom have had dreams, but were 'abducted' the same night, and have strange marks on their bodies when they wake up, or other evidence.

That Woman's theory about 'aliens' being devils, and their controller, obviously satan, makes a hell of alot more sense than space aliens visiting us........... It makes much more sense that the 'aliens' came from Earth,

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It doesnt to me! Well, it would if we just throw any scientific thought right out the window... but then again, so would the assumption that the aliens are angels sent by god to cause evil and harm, and so would the assumption that the aliens are actually dinosaurs squeezed into a humanoid suit 1/10th of their actual size.

Who says I have thrown scientific thought out the window, other than you? According to Einstein's Theory of Relativity, it is basically impossible for aliens to be visiting us..... Would you like a simple explanation?

Stellar

Sep 14 2004, 09:31 PM

You see... You're wrong right there. First of all, there is no evidence nor probability that Satan or God actually exist, thats why I meant that you'd have to throw science out the window. Second of all, according to Einsteins theory of Relativity, its NOT impossible for aliens to be visiting us. Theoretically, there are many ways to travel between stars efficiently *without* surpassing the speed of light.

Draco5832000

Sep 14 2004, 10:12 PM

They can be a hard burden to bear sometimes, but... I have never considered them evil in any way. I'm sure, like humans, there are some bad ones, but good ones too.
I mean, they've always been easy with me. They've been very patient and have done no purposefull harm. In fact, they have said very kind things to me. And helped me a great deal.
I... I don't critisize your prophesy, my dear... but... I just can't think of them as demons.

_CHIN_

Sep 14 2004, 10:38 PM

I am not 'wrong' with what I'm saying... It is basically impossible for 'aliens' to be visiting us. At least, it isn't logical.

According to the theory, assuming 'space aliens' came from far out in space, they wouldn't be able to go back to their own planet. So, visiting us would be out of the question...

If they were far enough away, "the aliens" would have seen into Earth's distant past, and wouldn't have known what it was going to be like when they got there. Once they would have got to Earth at the speed of light, or just under that, something like a couple hundred years, if not thousands of years would have gone by on their own planet depending on how far away they would have come. Going back and forth between their planet and ours is not possible, due to the way time works in space over extreme distances.

There is alot of proof of God, but you'd never know it with having the attitude that God simply does not exist, and that there is NO evidence. How do you really know that for sure?

I have solid proof that God exists... It is only solid proof for me though, not you, not anyone else, unless they believe me without a doubt.

The Spirit

I prayed for over 2 hours straight for the children in poor countries, the dying, and the suffering. I prayed for all of the people I have met, or could remember. Then I laid down with my hands at my side on my bed, with my eyes closed, feeling very good inside. (Prayer for others not only helps those you are praying for, but it also helps the Prayer giver.) I laid there in silence for only seconds, and in the darkness of the back of my eyelids I noticed what looked like two small bright white lights far off in the distance. I was not scared because I had just been Praying, though it did make me slightly uneasy, and I almost opened my eyes. Those two white lights slowly came closer and closer, then entered my eyes. By the time they got halfway towards me, I started to get excited. I couldn't believe what I had just experienced. At that moment I thought the experience was over, so I opened my eyes. When I did, it was the greatest and most wonderful thing I could have ever imagined. I was floating about ten feet above the roof of my house, straight above from where my body would have been. It took a second or two to realize where I was, and what was happening. My vision was different, almost blurry, yet very clear, it was as though every color was mixed in together, within my eyes. I could hear a trickling waterfall on my right side. I looked down to see my roof, then I looked to my right at the tops of the trees in my backyard. Amongst all other things that are possible in the Astral realm, the only thing I really wanted to do, was tell my Mother and Father, who were upstairs in the living room. The next thing I did was look up at the sky, I could see dark grey gloomy clouds, and it was night. Immediately the clouds parted East and West as though a giant sword cut them in half, to reveal a bright blue sky. It was very beautiful, but for some reason, I didn't really care the clouds just parted in front of me. I cared alot more about telling my parents. So I decided to try to 'wake myself up', I tried to speak but nothing came out. I got a little bit anxious, and tried a few more times. On the third or fourth try I awoke lying on my side making an uhhhhhhhhhhhhh sound. The same sound I was trying to make. Right away I ran upstairs to tell my family. The entire experience lasted about one minute, being fully conscious the entire time.

M.J.C.

Some people would dismiss this as Sleep Paralysis, or lucid dreaming, though most that believe in God, and already believe that they have a Soul will find this more understandable. There are a few instances in the bible of how people would "Enter The Spirit" as they called it. Which would always occur while the person went to go lay down in bed, and they would get answers to questions while "In The Spirit."

I can look at my experience as God giving me proof my Spirit exists, thus also giving me proof that He exists. It is no coincidence that I was given this information after Praying for the longest time I ever had in my life, or have ever since then.

Out of Bodies can happen many other ways, and for other reasons obviously.

moe eubleck

Sep 14 2004, 11:07 PM

It is tuesday. This means that the aliens will come for Moe tonight. They will make us to things that we do not normally do. This is how they have fun. Aliens do not have cable tv because they cannot find a cord long enough to reach outter space. And everyone knows how badly satellite tv sucks. So they beam up Moe.
Tommorrow Moe shall post his visitation right here. Unless the Mods close this thread.

Chris_com28

Sep 14 2004, 11:18 PM

I didn't bother reading your "proof" but I found something that seems to contradict yourself.

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f they were far enough away, "the aliens" would have seen into Earth's distant past, and wouldn't have known what it was going to be like when they got there.

Out of Bodies can happen many other ways, and for other reasons obviously.

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Wouldn't the aliens be able to project or even remote view so they can actually see our planet in real time. I've read how time is no limit with projecting and you're not traveling physically so I guess normal physical las don't apply to you then.

You see... You're wrong right there. First of all, there is no evidence nor probability that Satan or God actually exist, thats why I meant that you'd have to throw science out the window.

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Well science can't disprove the theory. I'm sure there's some evidence that demons or malevolent spirits exist.

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. Once they would have got to Earth at the speed of light, or just under that, something like a couple hundred years, if not thousands of years would have gone by on their own planet depending on how far away they would have come. Going back and forth between their planet and ours is not possible, due to the way time works in space over extreme distances.

They could of prepared for the long flight by building an enviroment that can provide them with food and energy for the long trip. They also could of reproduced and when they got there set up secret bases. Still it would be hard to communicat with the two planets but I'm sure that there's other ways.

Light doesn't have a set speed, it moves at different speeds through different mediums so maybe aliens could have provided a medium suitable enough for matter to travel through at high speeds.

grc

Sep 14 2004, 11:44 PM

QUOTE(MK ULTRA @ Sep 14 2004, 03:04 PM)

I agree with Stellar,people who believe in "visions" and messages from God always worry me slightly.
Serial Killers always talk about the voices,messages from god etc?

Have you ever considered these visions to be just dreams and a wild imagination.
Have you ever considered Jesus may of been an Alien- Wise men following the star(UFO),Jesus saying he came from the skys and is not of this earth,etc, If this is the case he must be an evil demon too then?

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Exactley!!!

grc

Sep 15 2004, 12:00 AM

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If they were far enough away, "the aliens" would have seen into Earth's distant past, and wouldn't have known what it was going to be like when they got there. Once they would have got to Earth at the speed of light, or just under that, something like a couple hundred years, if not thousands of years would have gone by on their own planet depending on how far away they would have come. Going back and forth between their planet and ours is not possible, due to the way time works in space over extreme distances.

Traveling great distances does'nt really mean great speed. Do a little research on the so called "worm holes", even Einstein had a theory about them. He believed that time and space could be compressed. So if us little old stupid humans thought of that how do you know that another species doesn't already aplied it on traveling through space at great distances?

Traveling at high speeds in space such as lightspeed or even greater speed is theorethicaly impossible. I will explain why : first in space there are lots and lots of asteroid pieces and other fragments of commets and stuff. Hiting a rock that has the size of a pebble at just half of the speed of light would produce equal the energy when detonate 2.23 atomic bombs. But there is the posibility that the aliens use wormholes or subspace. Whatever , for me aliens are not demons but another form of inteligent life and I do believe that they are visiting us.

grc

Sep 15 2004, 12:18 AM

About the dreams/visions whatever.......Don't eat too much before you go to sleep, if you still have them well.... go to a doctor.

_CHIN_

Sep 15 2004, 12:35 AM

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I didn't bother reading your "proof" but I found something that seems to contradict yourself.

f they were far enough away, "the aliens" would have seen into Earth's distant past, and wouldn't have known what it was going to be like when they got there

Out of Bodies can happen many other ways, and for other reasons obviously.

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Wouldn't the aliens be able to project or even remote view so they can actually see our planet in real time. I've read how time is no limit with projecting and you're not traveling physically so I guess normal physical las don't apply to you then.

If the 'aliens' you think might be visiting us, had Souls and projected out of their bodies towards Earth to find sentient life..... In what timeframe would they arrive to our Planet in Spirit form, if that were even possible?

Would they arrive in the present? If so, by the time they got to Earth, many hundreds, if not thousands of years would go by on Earth during their journey, thus taking the chance of Earth not even being here by the time they got here. And this is if the 'aliens' you think are visiting us are from a distant galaxy, or solar system, that have projected out of their bodies to find Earth, and then finally travelled here with UFO's using a wormhole, or something of that nature.....................??

Though it may be possible to travel anywhere when out of the body, having no limits, when I was out of my body, I couldn't even speak, let alone fly to alpha centauri, so there are some limits. When the Soul leaves the body, it is still attached to the body by a "Silver Chord" mentioned in the Bible. At the point of death, the chord, or connection to the body, is severed.

grc, the common excuse to what I'm saying is your excuse. That aliens must have used wormholes, or sub space or something like that. Which isn't proven. Einstein's theory of relativity is a proven fact, so all I'm doing is just sticking with the facts concerning what's already been proven about space travel.

cutycub

Sep 15 2004, 12:41 AM

What! I believe you but.... I don't want to die! Im only 12! I dun wanna die untill i accomplish my dreams and get my own house and stuff! Im scared. ..................... Im also not christian, does dat mean Im gonna go to hell? o_0a

Stellar

Sep 15 2004, 01:03 AM

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I am not 'wrong' with what I'm saying... It is basically impossible for 'aliens' to be visiting us. At least, it isn't logical.

No, you are wrong. It is not impossible for aliens to be visiting us.

*waits to see if he finally asks "why?"*

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According to the theory, assuming 'space aliens' came from far out in space, they wouldn't be able to go back to their own planet. So, visiting us would be out of the question...

Nope.

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If they were far enough away, "the aliens" would have seen into Earth's distant past, and wouldn't have known what it was going to be like when they got there. Once they would have got to Earth at the speed of light, or just under that, something like a couple hundred years, if not thousands of years would have gone by on their own planet depending on how far away they would have come. Going back and forth between their planet and ours is not possible, due to the way time works in space over extreme distances.

Not exactly.

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There is alot of proof of God, but you'd never know it with having the attitude that God simply does not exist, and that there is NO evidence. How do you really know that for sure?

There is no proof of God. You'd never know there isnt though, with the attitude though. I've already delt with the "proof" of god many times here, and, suffice it to say, there was no proof.

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I have solid proof that God exists... It is only solid proof for me though, not you, not anyone else, unless they believe me without a doubt.

Again, its either solid proof for everyone, or its not proof at all.

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Right... you were levitated 10 feet above your house... and yet you're here talking about science and whats possible and whats not? Anyway, how do we know this isnt a dream? Or that you're lying? You know... Its happened to me quite a few times that I lifted up away from my body and started floating... all the while watching my body and being able to controle my body. Then I woke up.

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Some people would dismiss this as Sleep Paralysis, or lucid dreaming, though most that believe in God, and already believe that they have a Soul will find this more understandable. There are a few instances in the bible of how people would "Enter The Spirit" as they called it. Which would always occur while the person went to go lay down in bed, and they would get answers to questions while "In The Spirit."

And for some reason, religious people cant have lucid dreaming?

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I can look at my experience as God giving me proof my Spirit exists, thus also giving me proof that He exists. It is no coincidence that I was given this information after Praying for the longest time I ever had in my life, or have ever since then.

Yes, no coincidence... You do know that the mind can be programmed, in a way, to dream along specific guidelines? Scenarios, locations, etc? All it takes is a simple thought, and then your mind can create a dream revolving around that thought. Dreams can range from wants, to nightmares. If someone you loved, or an animal you loved, passed away, its not unusual for people to dream about them. Is this proof that they're communicating to you from the afterlife though? Or, is it more likely that its just a dream... that your mind created it from some subconcious thought/desire, or even maybe a concious thought or desire?

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Well science can't disprove the theory. I'm sure there's some evidence that demons or malevolent spirits exist.

First, let me say, please pay more attention to your quoting. It's quite difficult to discern which parts you wrote, and which are quoted.

Second of all, theres no hard evidence. A person saying "I saw a demon!" is not evidence, and apart from that, theres nothing really.

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Traveling great distances does'nt really mean great speed. Do a little research on the so called "worm holes", even Einstein had a theory about them. He believed that time and space could be compressed. So if us little old stupid humans thought of that how do you know that another species doesn't already aplied it on traveling through space at great distances?

Well, I was gonna mention that, but seems you already did. The folding of space... isnt it called quantum folding or something like that? I cant remember the scientific terms atm!

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f they were far enough away, "the aliens" would have seen into Earth's distant past, and wouldn't have known what it was going to be like when they got there

Maybe that might be why they dont use super huge and superpowerful telescopes for exploration...

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Would they arrive in the present? If so, by the time they got to Earth, many hundreds, if not thousands of years would go by on Earth during their journey, thus taking the chance of Earth not even being here by the time they got here. And this is all if the 'aliens' you think are visiting us are from a distant galaxy, or solar system, that have projected out of their bodies to find Earth.....................

Refer to wormhole theory.

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Though it may be possible to travel anywhere when out of the body, having no limits, when I was out of my body, I couldn't even speak, let alone fly to alpha centauri, so there are some limits.

Lol, assume it wasnt a dream... its funny that you apply limits based on what you could and couldnt do.

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grc, the common excuse to what I'm saying is your excuse. That aliens must have used wormholes, or sub space or something like that. Which isn't proven. Einstein's theory of relativity is a proven fact, so all I'm doing is just sticking with the facts.

No, its only a theory, just like wormhole theory. Why? We dont have the technology to test it out. You seem to be hand picking which "facts" to accept though. Either way, Einstein theorised on the possibility of wormholes... just as he theorised on the limits of speed. Even though theres a good chance we cant travel ftl, theres still, theoretically, other methodes to travel through space.

Talon

Sep 15 2004, 01:10 AM

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In 1997 God told me Aliens Exist and They Are Demons. He gave me a vision where I saw two UFOs. I detailed the dream on my website.

I'm sure he did

Stellar

Sep 15 2004, 01:58 AM

Lol... I wonder what she'd say if I came back tommorow and said "Yesterday, God told me that you were wrong and that you are a demon."

Talon

Sep 15 2004, 02:20 AM

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Lol... I wonder what she'd say if I came back tommorow and said "Yesterday, God told me that you were wrong and that you are a demon."

lol

probably say it was Satan taking instead

_CHIN_

Sep 15 2004, 02:45 AM

My writing in blue. Matt.

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I am not 'wrong' with what I'm saying... It is basically impossible for 'aliens' to be visiting us. At least, it isn't logical.

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No, you are wrong. It is not impossible for aliens to be visiting us.

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*waits to see if he finally asks "why?"*

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According to the theory, assuming 'space aliens' came from far out in space, they wouldn't be able to go back to their own planet. So, visiting us would be out of the question...

Nope.

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The word visiting means going from one place to another and back again.. Using Einstein's theory of Relativity, which is proven, the aliens would arrive at their home planet way into the future, so far, that it would be unrealistic to make the journey in the first place. Going back and forth from Earth to their Planet, would be even more unrealistic.

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If they were far enough away, "the aliens" would have seen into Earth's distant past, and wouldn't have known what it was going to be like when they got there. Once they would have got to Earth at the speed of light, or just under that, something like a couple hundred years, if not thousands of years would have gone by on their own planet depending on how far away they would have come. Going back and forth between their planet and ours is not possible, due to the way time works in space over extreme distances.

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Not exactly.

Could you explain? Of course it isn't an exact model I'm giving you, it is a basic representation to prove a point, that Einstein's theory of Relativity prevents space travel, as far as visiting different galaxies, and solar systems go, using UFO's.

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I have solid proof that God exists... It is only solid proof for me though, not you, not anyone else, unless they believe me without a doubt.

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Again, its either solid proof for everyone, or its not proof at all.

I already told you, it's only proof for you if you believe me, which I don't expect you to do...

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Right... you were levitated 10 feet above your house... and yet you're here talking about science and whats possible and whats not? Anyway, how do we know this isnt a dream? Or that you're lying? You know... Its happened to me quite a few times that I lifted up away from my body and started floating... all the while watching my body and being able to controle my body. Then I woke up.

My Spirit was above the roof of my house. It wasn't a dream because I was 'awake' or conscious the entire time. And had only been laying down for about 3 seconds before I seen the little lights off in the distance on the back of my eyelids. At which point the experience started to happen. I was as fully conscious the entire time as I am now writing to you. No dream is like that. Considering it happened after Praying, what sort of coincidence is that? The last thing on my mind was going out of my body, it was more like a side-effect from praying for so long.

Millions of people have Out of Body Experiences. And if you think I'm lying then you've lost touch with what's true and what isn't true.(though I don't blame you for questioning if I'm a liar). If I were to lie about my experience, I wouldn't really even believe in God, because I'd be spreading lies and deception in the Name of God so to speak. Everything that I wrote about that experience is true.

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Well science can't disprove the theory. I'm sure there's some evidence that demons or malevolent spirits exist.

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First, let me say, please pay more attention to your quoting. It's quite difficult to discern which parts you wrote, and which are quoted.

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Second of all, theres no hard evidence. A person saying "I saw a demon!" is not evidence, and apart from that, theres nothing really.

I didn't write that above quote..

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Traveling great distances does'nt really mean great speed. Do a little research on the so called "worm holes", even Einstein had a theory about them. He believed that time and space could be compressed. So if us little old stupid humans thought of that how do you know that another species doesn't already aplied it on traveling through space at great distances?

Well, I was gonna mention that, but seems you already did. The folding of space... isnt it called quantum folding or something like that? I cant remember the scientific terms atm!

Even though that is not proven whatsoever.

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if they were far enough away, "the aliens" would have seen into Earth's distant past, and wouldn't have known what it was going to be like when they got there

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Maybe that might be why they dont use super huge and superpowerful telescopes for exploration...

What would 'aliens' use then? Please elaborate.

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Though it may be possible to travel anywhere when out of the body, having no limits, when I was out of my body, I couldn't even speak, let alone fly to alpha centauri, so there are some limits.

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Lol, assume it wasnt a dream... its funny that you apply limits based on what you could and couldnt do.

Maybe for some people they can speak when out of the body, maybe I could have if I tried a different way? I really don't know. But I do know that I tried to speak, and it was seemingly impossible, and it freaked me out a bit. In that particular experience I was limited to what I could and couldn't do. All I really wanted to do was go back to my body.

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grc, the common excuse to what I'm saying is your excuse. That aliens must have used wormholes, or sub space or something like that. Which isn't proven. Einstein's theory of relativity is a proven fact, so all I'm doing is just sticking with the facts.

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No, its only a theory, just like wormhole theory. Why? We dont have the technology to test it out. You seem to be hand picking which "facts" to accept though. Either way, Einstein theorised on the possibility of wormholes... just as he theorised on the limits of speed. Even though theres a good chance we cant travel ftl, theres still, theoretically, other methodes to travel through space.

There are certain aspects fo Einstein's theory of Relativity that are proven facts. They do not involve travelling at the speed of light.

If you take two clocks, set at the exact same time, then place one at the top of a high building, and one at the bottom of the high building, the one at the top will be moving slower by an extremely small increment. In other words, put simply, the further you move away from Earth, the slower time is. If you flew a ship away from Earth at high speed, let's say a quarter the speed of light, far, far away to alpha centauri or something. Then you'd be going deep into the future of back on Earth, while only ageing in your ship a few years in comparison. By the time you get back to Earth, there might not even be a landing pad there for you to land on because so much time would have gone by, and your Family would be long dead, unless you decided to take them with you on the ship. Everyone that worked on the project that got you into space would die before they would see the returning astronauts. Several generations might even go by.

If somehow, you could look into a space ship travelling away from Earth at half the speed light.... the occupants would appear to be standing still. If aliens use communications similar to ours using low frequencies or something sent at light speed, then if their planet is let's say, 25 light years away. It would take 25 years for the message to be sent, and by the time it got there, according to Einstein's theory, it would arrive way into the future... alot more than 25 years.

This is why space travel into very deep space doesn't make sense travelling at any speed.

Unless you had a couple wormholes, or maybe even some star gates, or a teleporter like star trek, only better, and maybe some other stuff, like ultra telescopes that can see into the present of a distant solar system or planet, rather than the past.

Fluffybunny

Sep 15 2004, 03:19 AM

Wow, that was the post from hell. I didn't realize that the quote function could be set to the third power like that. Quoting Cubed. Hmmm...

After reading the last post I need a Tylenol.

In consideration of the original topics that Aliens are demons I think that we have pretty much beat that concept to death here and in so many other threads started by a vocal few here.

This is going nowhere at lightspeed...

kitz

Sep 15 2004, 04:28 AM

Now Now I wouldn't say that aliens are evil. Only in movies are they evil! EVIL! But I bet that most people believe what they see on TV huh? HUH?! Yeah I know some of you people's are saying to yourselves right now that I think I know all that. Yea well I went to Roswell and learned all about aliens. Well here's what I found out. All aliens want to do is take over planet Earth and make all humans slaves. Except for robots when we start inventing robots like in I-Robot. Then we will have like an Super Smash brothers Tournament come to life. But personally I think that we would win somehow like in the movies. You know what lets just...nvm..I don't think I have a point. buh bye

_CHIN_

Sep 15 2004, 05:13 AM

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Wow, that was the post from hell. I didn't realize that the quote function could be set to the third power like that. Quoting Cubed. Hmmm...

After reading the last post I need a Tylenol.

That's pretty funny.

I think I over did it with the quote function.

I'll try to make it more readable next time. I was replying to so many things that it becomes too much. I like to be clear, and explain what I'm writing here, and not just blurt it out. Even though the conversation is cluttered, there are some valid points made, and some of it makes sense.

What I'm saying is also theoretical for the most part, though I am using known science when describing space travel, only in a very crude way. For those that have books on Einstein, they'll be able to better understand what I'm saying about space travel, and the "time problems" when doing that.

Blood Angel

Sep 15 2004, 02:25 PM

O_O; I'm not even going to start to try and sort out that quote mess, i have no idea whats your writing and whats supposed to be quoted! Try and umm be more careful..

greychupa

Sep 15 2004, 04:52 PM

QUOTE(_CHIN_ @ Sep 14 2004, 11:38 PM)

I am not 'wrong' with what I'm saying... It is basically impossible for 'aliens' to be visiting us. At least, it isn't logical.

According to the theory, assuming 'space aliens' came from far out in space, they wouldn't be able to go back to their own planet. So, visiting us would be out of the question...

If they were far enough away, "the aliens" would have seen into Earth's distant past, and wouldn't have known what it was going to be like when they got there. Once they would have got to Earth at the speed of light, or just under that, something like a couple hundred years, if not thousands of years would have gone by on their own planet depending on how far away they would have come. Going back and forth between their planet and ours is not possible, due to the way time works in space over extreme distances.

There is alot of proof of God, but you'd never know it with having the attitude that God simply does not exist, and that there is NO evidence. How do you really know that for sure?

I have solid proof that God exists... It is only solid proof for me though, not you, not anyone else, unless they believe me without a doubt.

The Spirit

I prayed for over 2 hours straight for the children in poor countries, the dying, and the suffering. I prayed for all of the people I have met, or could remember. Then I laid down with my hands at my side on my bed, with my eyes closed, feeling very good inside. (Prayer for others not only helps those you are praying for, but it also helps the Prayer giver.) I laid there in silence for only seconds, and in the darkness of the back of my eyelids I noticed what looked like two small bright white lights far off in the distance. I was not scared because I had just been Praying, though it did make me slightly uneasy, and I almost opened my eyes. Those two white lights slowly came closer and closer, then entered my eyes. By the time they got halfway towards me, I started to get excited. I couldn't believe what I had just experienced. At that moment I thought the experience was over, so I opened my eyes. When I did, it was the greatest and most wonderful thing I could have ever imagined. I was floating about ten feet above the roof of my house, straight above from where my body would have been. It took a second or two to realize where I was, and what was happening. My vision was different, almost blurry, yet very clear, it was as though every color was mixed in together, within my eyes. I could hear a trickling waterfall on my right side. I looked down to see my roof, then I looked to my right at the tops of the trees in my backyard. Amongst all other things that are possible in the Astral realm, the only thing I really wanted to do, was tell my Mother and Father, who were upstairs in the living room. The next thing I did was look up at the sky, I could see dark grey gloomy clouds, and it was night. Immediately the clouds parted East and West as though a giant sword cut them in half, to reveal a bright blue sky. It was very beautiful, but for some reason, I didn't really care the clouds just parted in front of me. I cared alot more about telling my parents. So I decided to try to 'wake myself up', I tried to speak but nothing came out. I got a little bit anxious, and tried a few more times. On the third or fourth try I awoke lying on my side making an uhhhhhhhhhhhhh sound. The same sound I was trying to make. Right away I ran upstairs to tell my family. The entire experience lasted about one minute, being fully conscious the entire time.

M.J.C.

Some people would dismiss this as Sleep Paralysis, or lucid dreaming, though most that believe in God, and already believe that they have a Soul will find this more understandable. There are a few instances in the bible of how people would "Enter The Spirit" as they called it. Which would always occur while the person went to go lay down in bed, and they would get answers to questions while "In The Spirit."

I can look at my experience as God giving me proof my Spirit exists, thus also giving me proof that He exists. It is no coincidence that I was given this information after Praying for the longest time I ever had in my life, or have ever since then.

Out of Bodies can happen many other ways, and for other reasons obviously.
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On SP :
SLEEP PARALYSIS is nothing more than your body being disabled for its own good, so that you will not start doing the things you do in your dream while being asleep. It keeps you safe from harming yourself.
You can go out in the astral while being in this state. In fact, when you start feeling totally paralyzed, its about time to leave.
You are in this state every night, EVERYBODY .
Why do people keep on making mistakes about this ???????

David_Cubero

Sep 15 2004, 11:33 PM

mdulin,

If you say that you have had visions from G-d, I will not be the one to argue the point. Though our beliefs differ somewhat as I am Devoutly Jewish, I DO believe in G-d and in visions from Him! ("My people have been having visions from The L-rd since time began...")

I certainly don't know what people are seeing when they have a "close enconter" with these things. It has been my contention for a long time that these are probably NOT Space Aliens. (I believe in life on other planets, but I have a problem with the idea that they can come here,,,OR would necessarily want to...)

I have a number of theories concerning what these entities are, and one of them is "Demons." I have mentioned this before on this forum.

However, ancient cultures have had encounters with these things too. Some of them also called these beings "demons," some called them "Little People," some called them "Monsters," and tribal societies have and have had literally thousands of names for them and theories about their origins.

We have, and have had "LIVING HUMAN DEMONS" too,,,Adolf Hitler, Queen Isabel of Spain, Nero Caesar, Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahlmer, Timothy McVeigh, Saddam Hussien and Osama bin Laden are but just a few.

I digress, there are innumerable people that see "Aliens" and Strange Crafts in the sky. Some just lie about seeing these things, others are simply fooled by other natural occurances, some have altered states of conciousness and are hallucinating, still others are seeing man-made aircraft, and the small minority that's left, well it's TRULY anyone's guess as to what they're seeing.

moe eubleck

Sep 15 2004, 11:36 PM

you may have noticed that Mdulin has not answered many posts. Why continue?

David_Cubero

Sep 16 2004, 12:12 AM

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you may have noticed that Mdulin has not answered many posts. Why continue?
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Moe, that's true!

Honestly, I have the distinct "feeling" that She was simply trying to cram Her' Religious Beliefs down everyone's throats on this forum and "Save Our Souls."

Some people believe that G-d has "ordered them" to "convert the world" to whatever it is that THEY believe.

Protestant Christianity and Islam are the two most common practisioners of this belief. They'll go to ALMOST any lenth to try to do this, no matter how radical it might be. Some Christians will actually make up tales to try to frighten others into converting and they'll twist their New Testament Writings in an attempt to accomplish this. Meanwhile some Muslims want to kill you if you don't convert to THEIR religion.

I feel that The Practisioners of these Religions are quite dangerous when they use such EXTREME Tactics. I feel that they are not only obsessed, but misinformed!

Yet, I stick with my above statement. IF She's had these "Visions From G-d," I will NOT be the one to debate that...I'm VERY religious myself! However, as a Jew, we NEVER try to convert ANYONE,,,well that is, unless we marry them.

Reader519

Sep 16 2004, 12:16 AM

I had a vision in the form of a dream reciently, I was in a military compound and a ufo comes down and destroied a weapon store house, it must mean that the deamons are going to destroy our weapons so we cant fight back

But serieously I must agree with previeous posts, when people say they had visions from god allot of times it ends poorly. I find this one allittle hard to swolow, and wonder why it is so unbelieaveable that if (and this is a big if) aliens exist then why couldn't they be advanced beyond our immaginations. I mean just 15 years befor we landed on the moon people said it was imposible (but then people still say it never happened). well thats my 2 cents

Ashley-Star*Child

Sep 16 2004, 01:53 AM

Umm, dah. I've already said that on here.

Ashley-Star*Child

Sep 16 2004, 01:54 AM

Sorry, that wasn't meant to sound rude.

the master theologian

Sep 16 2004, 09:25 PM

As real as visions can be, they don't always mean something.
I have studied the various types of aliens, and I think you are
reffering to the Gray aliens right? (I'm sorry I did't read the whole
topic.. just scrolled quickly trough) As my banner suggests, I
believe in the bible ufo connection. www.bibleufo.com
The site argues against the evil-ufo phenomena.
Well, not too much involved in aliens, but mostly in the UFO
phenomena and the being associated with them (which are
not necceasrely evil). go check it out... or better yet, read the
whole thing because its very informative!

grc

Sep 17 2004, 12:02 AM

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david cubero , Yesterday 1:12 Am

Honestly, I have the distinct "feeling" that She was simply trying to cram Her' Religious Beliefs down everyone's throats on this forum and "Save Our Souls."

Yes.

flyinghigh23

Sep 18 2004, 08:10 AM

I can desire and ask for a particular dream, and I'll eventually dream about it, but I hardly think that makes it a vision from God. It is very dangerous when people start thinking if they ask for something and get it, then it must be from God, because they then feel justified to act and speak out in certain ways. If God gave you visions that actually happened in the past, that'd be one thing, but it sounds like this is all new, and obviously not verifiable yet.

Ashley-Star*Child

Sep 18 2004, 12:32 PM

Ok, what I meant by the other post was that I also believe aliens are demons.

Ashley-Star*Child

Sep 18 2004, 12:34 PM

And, Flyinghigh, just because you ask for a dream and you get it does NOT necessarily mean that it isn't relevant. I'm sure God can answer prayers through dreams, as was said here before, God Himself has said He was given people visions through dreams.

And why would visions of the PAST be any more relvant than the furture, or current issues? What use would God giving visions of the past do? That just don't make no sense...

Stellar

Sep 18 2004, 01:18 PM

I wanted a dream of me being a soldier in the battlefield... I eventually got it... does that mean god gave it to me, or I managed to get my mind to do it?

LittleIrishVampiress

Sep 18 2004, 03:42 PM

i dont like aliens, but personally i dont tend to believe they're necessarily evil either

be careful, you come across as some kind of dangerous fanatic.