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FrostWarrior
correct. you wouldnt catch pneumonia, you'd feel the pain of it.

My empathy works 24/7, it even works on holidays xD
I know what everyone's feeling at any given time, and its another one of my awesome curses. xD. Let me make note that pain through empathy is amplified. Happiness is not; good feelings come at the exact level. so watch out. :-p
Unknown_dragon
Being a natral empath myself, I can understand the pain of anothers emotions.
However, I think it would be fair to say that a practiced empath, like i am, can turn off this feeling or sence. I have found that I can also share my emotions with others by way of empathy. Be it good or bad. So, if you want to learn empathy you have two choices... 1- Dont learn it.
2- Learn to turn it off before you try turning it on.
Ask me if you ned help..
Ruby_Dragon
Hey, UD answer me!!!! Where the hell did you go?? It's not cool to leave your students!!! Dammit.
Astraea
QUOTE(Unknown_dragon @ Nov 3 2004, 07:15 AM)
Being a natral empath myself, I can understand the pain of anothers emotions.
However, I think it would be fair to say that a practiced empath, like i am, can turn off this feeling or sence. I have found that I can also share my emotions with others by way of empathy. Be it good or bad. So, if you want to learn empathy you have two choices... 1- Dont learn it.
                                  2- Learn to turn it off before you try turning it on.
Ask me if you ned help..
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Please, I need help shielding from empathy. How do I turn it off?
Syaoransbear
I'm not sure how to turn it off... But I was wondering..

Does anyone ever notice that some people have a 'higher emotional level' than others? Like, you can pick them up way easier?

A friend of mine is always mopping around being emo, and as soon as he is doing that I pick it up and I start being emo *it's very annoying*

But I have another friend that I actually have troubles picking up. She's quite an emotionless little thing I must say:D. When she is sad, it takes me a little while before I pick it up. But with my other friend, it's RIGHT away.

So do you think some people have a different level of emotion or am I just weird?! thumbsup.gif ph34r.gif w00t.gif
arwenpotter
Insider try coming up with a shield on your own. you could modify any shield already made or programme it... like i created an energy shield to stoip me from ever becoming tired when i have no tiem to be and it uses teh 4 basic elements. now you could modify that to stop emotions and it would "run out" or necessarily break becoz its drawing energy to maintain itself. be mindful though that drawing energy is farily advanced.

Poor Ruby.. wot was UD teaching you anyway?

And yer i have noticed Sya some peopel are more in control of their emotions and can rein them in. but targeting them should make it easier to feel wot they are feeling

and yer i send out emotions as well as recieve its handy... specially if someone is too stressed or worreid aboot things that they shouldnt be.
anonymous57
QUOTE(arwenpotter @ Oct 19 2004, 06:59 AM)
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In a roomful of stressed-out people, yes, it is hard to handle.

tell me aboot it sad.gif
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Not as bad as deppressed people desparately trying to appear as if they're happy. People need to realise that everyone cries occasionally.
arwenpotter
mmm *nods in agreeance* i do that though soemtiems to not worry my friends so i understand where that could be coming from but i still think that its handy for that... its a mix of gift/curse
gufzoo
Explain this for me please, if you can:
Usually, when I am balanced, I only feel someone else if I am emotionally close to them or if I focus on someone intentionally.
On New Years, however, there was this friend of my roommate's, who will here-on-out be known as The Drunk Russian, who got really really drunk ohmy.gif , and had to be brought back to our place, where he lay passed-out and occasionally puking until around noon. This was the first time I ever met The Drunk Russian. But after he woke up, sometimes when I was around him, I'd feel his hang-over and the ache in his neck. I'd be in a room feeling fine and dandy, and then he'd come in and I'd have to sit down for fear of keeling over.
Now, I did not know The Drunk Russian, and I did not intentionally focus on him at any time. Why did I (have to disgust.gif ) feel his hang-over? Was it something he was doing, or something I was doing?
Insight
Contrary to what every kid here will tell you, empathy is not a supernatural or psionic ability. It is a natural talent, such as being compassionate, witty, or tactful.

Empathy is best studied through higher psychology, the arts of deceptions, social group study, family study, body language study, and subtle body language study. Studying these will lead you to a MUCH higher capacity for empathy then studying questionable "psionic" empathy. I guarentee it.

From what I have studied, I can say with confidence that my skills in determining a person's mood and emotions are much more honed then anyone who practices the psionic forms of empathy.

If you truely want to develop your empathic skill, throw out the notions of it being some sort of etheral force. Also, throw out dellusions of gradeur and power. Sure, it is a fun thought that we can obtain some unusual "powers" to define ourselves as different from our peers, or as a 'special" person. But as I said, it is nothing more than a "fun thought".

Finish school and discover what you are in the actual world. Trying to define yourself only leads to misconceptions about what you truely are, and what you truely should be.
gufzoo
Insight, I can understand your not understanding what it is like to be empathic in the psionic sense of the word. What you wrote sounds perfectly logical, and if I hadn't experienced it for myself, I might agree with you that empathy is nothing more than having exceptional observational skills.

However, I have experienced it for myself. I've been across town from people and known and actually FELT exactly what they were feeling, without communicating with them at all. I'm not going to spend any more time explaining this to you because I've seen how unmoveable you are with your opinions, and truly this is an experience that needs to be had first-hand in order to command belief.

To others who actually experience empathy, please respond to my above post if you have an opinion on it:
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Explain this for me please, if you can:
Usually, when I am balanced, I only feel someone else if I am emotionally close to them or if I focus on someone intentionally.
On New Years, however, there was this friend of my roommate's, who will here-on-out be known as The Drunk Russian, who got really really drunk  , and had to be brought back to our place, where he lay passed-out and occasionally puking until around noon. This was the first time I ever met The Drunk Russian. But after he woke up, sometimes when I was around him, I'd feel his hang-over and the ache in his neck. I'd be in a room feeling fine and dandy, and then he'd come in and I'd have to sit down for fear of keeling over.
Now, I did not know The Drunk Russian, and I did not intentionally focus on him at any time. Why did I (have to  ) feel his hang-over? Was it something he was doing, or something I was doing?
Insight

Insight, I can understand your not understanding what it is like to be empathic in the psionic sense of the word. What you wrote sounds perfectly logical, and if I hadn't experienced it for myself, I might agree with you that empathy is nothing more than having exceptional observational skills.

However, I have experienced it for myself. I've been across town from people and known and actually FELT exactly what they were feeling, without communicating with them at all. I'm not going to spend any more time explaining this to you because I've seen how unmoveable you are with your opinions, and truly this is an experience that needs to be had first-hand in order to command belief.


Actually what you describe is a very real phenomena, It is an emotional connection. However, it is not a mystical ability that can be honed or learned. It is a mystery of human emotional functioning. Seeking to control is it a dellusion of grandeur from a powerseeking teen. If you have an experience with an emotional connection, be happy that you have the love required for that person(s). But seeking to control it or thinking that you have some mystical power is a degrading thing. Power corrupts. And the path to power is a currpting and false one.



Now, I did not know The Drunk Russian, and I did not intentionally focus on him at any time. Why did I (have to ) feel his hang-over? Was it something he was doing, or something I was doing?[/quote]


If you see a person vomit, does it not make you feel sick?
gufzoo
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Actually what you describe is a very real phenomena, It is an emotional connection. However, it is not a mystical ability that can be honed or learned. It is a mystery of human emotional functioning. Seeking to control is it a dellusion of grandeur from a powerseeking teen. If you have an experience with an emotional connection, be happy that you have the love required for that person(s). But seeking to control it or thinking that you have some mystical power is a degrading thing. Power corrupts. And the path to power is a currpting and false one.


You think that an emotional connection is not mystical? Is it not related to the spirit? Can it be detected using laboratory equipment? You are wrong, it can be honed. What first-hand experience have you had to say otherwise?

What I'm picking up from what you're saying is that you are rejecting the use of empathy as an ability not because of what IS possible, but because of what you think SHOULD NOT be possible. People shouldn't be able to hone the ability to actually feel what another person is feeling - therefore, they can't. This is faulty reasoning. What should or should not be possible does not matter when questioning what is possible.

Seeking to control an ability that stems from love of another person will only strengthen that love. Empathy brings emotional and physical pain. No power-hungry, corrupt person would seek out empathy purely for the power of it.

Power corrupts if the spirit is weak. Jesus had power, wouldn't you agree? I know, I know - Jesus was a version of God. I'm no history buff, so I couldn't describe to you how so-and-so was this great leader who brought his people glory, etc. But if power corrupted everyone who had it, then wouldn't we still be in the dark ages? Mothers have power over their children - does this make all mothers corrupt?

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If you see a person vomit, does it not make you feel sick?

Yes, earlier that morning when I saw him vomit, I felt like vomiting myself. That's the gag reflex for ya. However, I had never before while sober looked at a drunk person and then felt drunk myself. I haven't heard of any "drunk reflex". Have you? tongue.gif
Dynamo
I agree with gufzoo, empathy is a deeper feeling than just knowing what someone is feeling, it's hard to explain, but you feel the emotion as if it was your own emotion. Not just saying "that person is sad" because that is reading body language. And even if someone is not showing their emotions, an empath can look farther into the "heart" to see what their realy feeling.

I've never felt physical pain from empathy. So I don't think I can help you there gufzoo.
ThePortal
QUOTE(gufzoo @ Jan 11 2005, 12:06 AM)
You think that an emotional connection is not mystical?  Is it not related to the spirit?  Can it be detected using laboratory equipment?  You are wrong, it can be honed.  What first-hand experience have you had to say otherwise?

What I'm picking up from what you're saying is that you are rejecting the use of empathy as an ability not because of what IS possible, but because of what you think SHOULD NOT be possible.  People shouldn't be able to hone the ability to actually feel what another person is feeling - therefore, they can't.  This is faulty reasoning.  What should or should not be possible does not matter when questioning what is possible. 

Seeking to control an ability that stems from love of another person will only strengthen that love.  Empathy brings emotional and physical pain.  No power-hungry, corrupt person would seek out empathy purely for the power of it.
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Hello Gufzoo,

I understand what you mean but I just wish to warn you not to take what Insight is saying lightly.

Truth is, he is right on many points and people can easily mistake some empathy experience for a paranormal phenomenon.

Keeping in mind that we receive an incredible amount of information at any given moment. Our mind cannot possibly account all this information, and thus it works very selectivly. If we are in a track of mind that we wish to feel and understand what the others people feel. This is what we will see since this is what we command our brain to do. Actually that information is there all the time, it is only when we consciously look for it that we will see it.

Now here is the tricky part. Who can say that they are aware of 100% of their toughts reguarding anything. It is extremly difficult to do. I have strive it for a long time and I have not reach it. Even long life Buddhist cannot say they do altough they strive for the same thing. Now what is aware....aware is knowing every thought. Where it comes from, why it came to you, how does it feel, taste, feel. What does it makes you think about, feel. Why did you think about that thought instead of another. Aware is knowing everything that goes on in your mind and body.

Now if we keep in mind that most people are not even aware of a fraction of their mind. Then it would be unwise to think that all acounts of empathy are mystical. The truth is, most of empathy is how we read the person body language, tone of voice, the way they speak, how they speak. How they move, not move. And their eyes...Eyes cannot easily lie. Eyes says everything even if you have a big smile on your face.

Now lets say you do your empathy ability, so you command your mind to do just that. What you might not be aware of ,is all the information that is being processed. I have caught myself many times, and in the end it was their body language, tone of voices. But most of all the eyes. They are a dead give away. But if people are excited and think this as an mystical ability, be carefull. Your mind shows you what you wish to see. Without even knowing these people have processd all the clues, but yet think it is a mystical aility. When in reality it is not always the case.

As for feeling it as if it was your own. If you are aware that you are only reading the persons emotion, then you will perceive that information as to what it is... emotion. He feel angry, he feel sad, he feel troubled..etc.. Now there is two way as to wich you will feel it. The first if the person is not aware that she is reading the other persons emotion, she can unconsciously mistaken this feeling as her own...this is the case of many who do not like empathy and seek control of it or to get rid of it. Now the other, open itself to feel the other emotion and since think that for him to know how the other feel, he has to feel it to. Remember that your mind will manifest what you wish him to. And since we perceive emtion more as an emotion than a word. We tend to make ourself feel it for a better understanding. We have to remember here that many mind decision are made unconsciouly and will only be conscious or make us aware of them if you really look.

Our mind is our biggest helper but can be our worst deceiver. If we do not probe enough, question everything. Our mind will only continue to perceive what you wish to perceive. Remember our mind cannot process all the information at any given time. It will give you the information you ask and need to survive. So if you think empathy is a God given ability, never will you catch yourself reading the other person. That information will only go deep in your unconscious...never to be seen again. You will be deceiving yourself. And the day that you will finally realise, it will be a very big let down.

This is why I always say that empathy is a beautifull ability but for the most part quite normal. And those that search for it, will find it. And that those that wishes to deepen it, only needs to learn themselves and behavior pattern better.


Now as for the mystic side of it. I am not saying it does not exist. I have experienced on quite a few occasions things that I could not explain. Usually when I am around the person it can most often than not be explained as me reading them. But when we are not together....this is where it gets tricky and makes you think often of a deeper connection somewhere.

I do not think I have the answer, but I sometime feel that our thoughts and feelings are perhaps in another energy form that cannot be perceived by the normal eye. But can be perceived or felt if you are open to it. Whatever it is happy.gif

truth is, life is stranger that what it seems. But I still wished to make people understand that a big part of empathy is quite normal And that anyone who wishes to undertake such a road, must first understand their own mind to be able to perceive the normal from the annormal.


and Gufzoo as for you feeling drunk because of that guy. I know what you mean. I have been around people who where sick and I felt their pain almost becoming sick myself. This fortunatly does not happend all the time. So there must be a reason behind this or a pattern. But I do not have the answer ....so I'll keep questionning until i find an answer...until then I could tell you many things..but in the end it would be only speculation
Insight


You think that an emotional connection is not mystical?

I like to think of it as more natural then mystical.

Is it not related to the spirit?


In my definition of what the spirit is, Yes. However, many people differ on these definitions.

Can it be detected using laboratory equipment?

*shrugs*

You are wrong, it can be honed.


What I am trying to discourage is the discussion of empathy in the learned ability kiddie kinetic sense. It seems virtually everyone in metaphysics claims to be an empath. It's honing leans on the personal exclusively. One can teach one's self to be more sensitive to others. Or to be more compassionate. Getting in touch with your own emotional sense, and being gentle and kind to others will help develop your sensitivity to emotions. Also, being desensitized to things such as violence, profanity, and sexuality, will have a great hinderence on empathy. The more pure you keep yourself, the more sensitive you are to what is pure.



What I'm picking up from what you're saying is that you are rejecting the use of empathy as an ability not because of what IS possible, but because of what you think SHOULD NOT be possible.

Not so much "should not be possible", but more of "should not be attempted to be used for". Tapping into the human spirit seems natural and beneficial. But our spirits are connected to a world which we were not meant to live in yet. We are meant to function in the physical for now. There are some secrets about nature and life that are not meant to be explored.

People shouldn't be able to hone the ability to actually feel what another person is feeling - therefore, they can't.

That's not what I am saying. I hope my above statements clear this up. I have been so used to the comon kiddie kinetics, it has bled of into legitimate discussion.


Seeking to control an ability that stems from love of another person will only strengthen that love.

I'm not so sure. What need does anyone have for remote emotional sensing? I believe a person's emotions should be transmitted through the physical to promote growth together, fellowship, and conversation. With no real way to be sure what you are sensing is exactly accurate, you can never be sure if you are properly using the information you gather from this sense. Even a one percent margin of error increases exponentially over time.

Empathy brings emotional and physical pain. No power-hungry, corrupt person would seek out empathy purely for the power of it.


Not true. Not true at all. Most people who seek power do not seek "corruption", or become evil. It is the pryramid effect. In low levels of government, the agents are working for the people, trying to do their part for mankind. The higher you get up into the pyramid, the more you are involved in keeping the pyramid together by any means, or, "for the good of the people". In the highest reach of the pyramid, there lies the eye of Lucifer. And the ultimate worldly power.

However, empathy by nature is not so much a power. It is very difficult for one to use one's senses of anothers emotion for personal gain. However, it is sickly fun to screw around with people you are superior to. I used to do it at my old job all the time, pitting younger fools against each other, making matches and such. Though this was not so much a result of empathic sense, but rather ability to decode the subtle laguages of a person which betray their inner nature, and then exploiting them.

I think the greatest example of empathy is the "mother's Sense", or simply called "the sense" when referring to women. The purest of women I have met have always had intuition into their daily activities, and ecspecially their love life.

Power corrupts if the spirit is weak.

No, power corrupts if it is used for anything but the self serving. I would argue, anything that does not glorify God.

Jesus had power, wouldn't you agree?


Jesus remained without sin though his whole life. He was completely pure, without error, just as God would be in the flesh of a man. His power did nothing BUT glorify God, and thus, he remained pure for all of his days. Something that no human being will ever be able to do.

I know, I know - Jesus was a version of God. I'm no history buff, so I couldn't describe to you how so-and-so was this great leader who brought his people glory, etc. But if power corrupted everyone who had it, then wouldn't we still be in the dark ages?


I would argue our ages are darker then they have ever been. The powers have UNPRECEDENTED control over their masses.

Remember, Rome didn't fall, it moved.

Mothers have power over their children - does this make all mothers corrupt?

Mothers who use their power over their own children for their own ends become corrupt. I see it happen all the time. Mothers who put their childs needs above their own remain pure.


Yes, earlier that morning when I saw him vomit, I felt like vomiting myself. That's the gag reflex for ya. However, I had never before while sober looked at a drunk person and then felt drunk myself. I haven't heard of any "drunk reflex". Have you?

Bad example, since being drunk is not an emotion, but an intoxication. However, i used to smoke a hell of a lot of weed back in the day, and whenever I was with three friends who were blasted, I did feel more goofy then usual, sometimes forgetting that I hadn't smoked weed. That last part shows you how much weed I smoked eh? *laughs at himself*
gufzoo
Sorry if there's already a thread about this, but I didn't know what terms to search for to find out. Feel free to close if one already exists...

I tried to ask about this in an existing thread, but the topic quickly got switched to an unnecessary debate over whether or not empathy is real (... disgust.gif ). So I thought I'd start a new topic on the subject. And here it is:

Are there people who naturally project their feelings to other people? Kinda like how some telepaths are gifted at projecting their thoughts out to others?

I ask because I usually don't pick up on other people's pain unless I am emotionally close to them, or unless I make a connection with them. For whatever reason, I'm a weird sort of empath: I can feel other peoples' physical pain. I don't have any problems in hospitals or anything, unless I intentionally focus in on a patient. However, on New Year's Day I met a friend of my roommate's, who was really hung-over at the time. I was fine, not hung-over at all. Except that a couple of times when he entered whatever room I was in, I immediately felt all dizzy and hung-over, and had to sit down. I also had neck soreness just when I was around him.
How did I feel his pain? I'd just met him, and never connected to him at all. In fact, I kept trying to avoid him. Is he maybe someone who can project his feelings, the way some telepaths can project their thoughts? Or was I just for some reason vulnerable at the time?

Thanks for keeping this a debate-free zone thumbsup.gif
ThePortal
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I tried to ask about this in an existing thread, but the topic quickly got switched to an unnecessary debate over whether or not empathy is real (... disgust.gif ).  So I thought I'd start a new topic on the subject.  And here it is:


blush.gif guilty of that crime...sry ..I just wished at that moment to make sure that people would be able to make the difference between normal empathy and annormal. But in your case what you describe it is definitly annormal


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Are there people who naturally project their feelings to other people?  Kinda like how some telepaths are gifted at projecting their thoughts out to others?


I do not know, but why not. I think that normally people will project their emotion weither they know it or not. If they feel really sick or really happy the intensity could be amplified by that too. For projecting it consciously, I guess it could be possible like telepaths, but it would demand a certain discipline.

Either way, I do not see why this guy would project is feeling of sickness...what could be is motive behind this?


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I'm a weird sort of empath: I can feel other peoples' physical pain.


Many who has the ability and keep at it will one day feel others pain too. For some it may come naturally thought. As for me, I stay away from hospital as much as I can tongue.gif


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How did I feel his pain?  I'd just met him, and never connected to him at all.  In fact, I kept trying to avoid him.  Is he maybe someone who can project his feelings, the way some telepaths can project their thoughts?  Or was I just for some reason vulnerable at the time? 


just a curious question....why where you trying to avoid him? did you start avoiding him after the first feeling of pain or before? did you try to avoid him because he was drunk? If you tried to avoid him before you felt is pain, and not because he was drunk...do you think that perhaps you could have a connection with him, altough you do not know where?

I have met some people for the first time, even though I was closed I felt strong emotions come over me. Most often than not I have a nagging feeling of knowing them somehow but I could remember where or who.

Think if this could be the case with you.... Perhaps in some way he is connected to you


Or like you said you could of been vulnerable at that moment. Only you can answer what it could of really been. Ask yourself as many question as you can and by deduction, you may come closer to the answer.

a few question that comes to my mind:

- try to remember how you felt that day?
- did you feel tired, emotionnal, or anything that could of made you vulnerable?
- like mentionned above, did you sense that you could of knowed him somehow?
- do you think you open yourself to him even just for a second the first time you felt is pain (by curiosity or something else)?
- could he have taken you by surprise?
- did he annoy you prior to the feeling ( it could of unbalance you, thus opening you to feel it)

I cannot think of any other question for now...answer them to yourself truthfully and the answer may come to you. If it does not...then I hope smeone could give you other pointers.

Good Luck

ThePortal
gufzoo
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Truth is, he is right on many points and people can easily mistake some empathy experience for a paranormal phenomenon.

agreed.

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The truth is, most of empathy is how we read the person body language, tone of voice, the way they speak, how they speak. How they move, not move. And their eyes...Eyes cannot easily lie. Eyes says everything even if you have a big smile on your face.

True empathy has nothing to do with reading body language. And true empathy is all I'm interested in. As for the part about the eyes: it's a common misconception that eyes betray emotions. If you're talking about the muscles around the eyeballs, then I guess maybe you're right. The eyeballs themselves, however, don't do a darn thing in response to emotional fluctuation.

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Now lets say you do your empathy ability, so you command your mind to do just that. What you might not be aware of ,is all the information that is being processed. I have caught myself many times, and in the end it was their body language, tone of voices. But most of all the eyes. They are a dead give away. But if people are excited and think this as an mystical ability, be carefull. Your mind shows you what you wish to see. Without even knowing these people have processd all the clues, but yet think it is a mystical aility. When in reality it is not always the case.

I suppose it can be difficult to determine if it's empathy when you will it to happen, for the reasons you give. I think people who have never experienced it naturally before should beware that they might be fooling themselves. I've personally had a few instances of it that I'm not sure were genuine. It's easiest to verify when you're not in the same room with the person at the time you "feel" them.
Obviously...

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This is why I always say that empathy is a beautifull ability but for the most part quite normal. And those that search for it, will find it. And that those that wishes to deepen it, only needs to learn themselves and behavior pattern better.

Does this include feeling physical pain as well as emotional pain? I only became aware of and interested in empathy when I started feeling other peoples' physical pains. I'm not sure at this point if I even believe in emotional empathy, for reasons you've given. Moods alter - if you're the only happy person in a room full of sad people, I'm betting that pretty soon you're gonna start feeling sad too. However, I've experienced physical empathy to be true, so I guess I'd be a hypocrite to not believe other people when they say they feel others' emotions.

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I do not think I have the answer, but I sometime feel that our thoughts and feelings are perhaps in another energy form that cannot be perceived by the normal eye. But can be perceived or felt if you are open to it. Whatever it is 

agreed!!!

Thank you for the well thought out post, Portal, your comments are much appreciated. And your warning a good one.
ThePortal
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The truth is, most of empathy is how we read the person body language, tone of voice, the way they speak, how they speak. How they move, not move. And their eyes...Eyes cannot easily lie. Eyes says everything even if you have a big smile on your face.


True empathy has nothing to do with reading body language. And true empathy is all I'm interested in. As for the part about the eyes: it's a common misconception that eyes betray emotions. If you're talking about the muscles around the eyeballs, then I guess maybe you're right. The eyeballs themselves, however, don't do a darn thing in response to emotional fluctuation.


I agree that true empathy as nothing to do with this. I just thought it would be wise to explain the difference, as it can be easily mistaken.

As for the eyes, I am not talking about how they move or the eyeballs. It is hard to explain but the I guess I could describe it as its intensity, luminosity, deepness. Eyes do not betray emotion, they reflect them. Have you ever seen someone eyes say I love you, or I hate you. Its all there wink2.gif those 2 where just examples.


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Now lets say you do your empathy ability, so you command your mind to do just that. What you might not be aware of ,is all the information that is being processed. I have caught myself many times, and in the end it was their body language, tone of voices. But most of all the eyes. They are a dead give away. But if people are excited and think this as an mystical ability, be carefull. Your mind shows you what you wish to see. Without even knowing these people have processd all the clues, but yet think it is a mystical aility. When in reality it is not always the case.


I suppose it can be difficult to determine if it's empathy when you will it to happen, for the reasons you give. I think people who have never experienced it naturally before should beware that they might be fooling themselves. I've personally had a few instances of it that I'm not sure were genuine. It's easiest to verify when you're not in the same room with the person at the time you "feel" them.
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it is definitly easier to see its validity when it is in another room. Altough it can still happen in the same room. But in that case a deep understanding of your own psyche (mind, tought pattern) will definitly help you determine if it is genuinly true empathy or not.


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This is why I always say that empathy is a beautifull ability but for the most part quite normal. And those that search for it, will find it. And that those that wishes to deepen it, only needs to learn themselves and behavior pattern better.


Does this include feeling physical pain as well as emotional pain? I only became aware of and interested in empathy when I started feeling other peoples' physical pains. I'm not sure at this point if I even believe in emotional empathy, for reasons you've given. Moods alter - if you're the only happy person in a room full of sad people, I'm betting that pretty soon you're gonna start feeling sad too. However, I've experienced physical empathy to be true, so I guess I'd be a hypocrite to not believe other people when they say they feel others' emotions.



This is the tricky part. Physical pain COULD be yourself making you feel it to really undertand how they feel. This is why I strongly recommend people to really understand their own mind so that they know they are not doing it to yourself. Even then to be able to do this to themselves demonstrate a very good abilty to be in someone else shoes and most people do not achieve this level of normal empathy.

Normally feeling their pain is a sign of true empathy. But if you know that you have a strong imagination, I cannot stress enough for people to understand their psyche and test themselves just to be sure.


as for your example where everyone in the room are sad. Yes soon most would become sad if they have not learned how to be aware of themselves, their surrounding and thus able to protect themselves in such cases. The same goes for the saying that a smile will travel the world.



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Thank you for the well thought out post, Portal, your comments are much appreciated.  And your warning a good one.


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TheOracle
Empathy threads merged.
gufzoo
In response to Portal response to "empathy projector" thread before merged...

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guilty of that crime...sry ..I just wished at that moment to make sure that people would be able to make the difference between normal empathy and annormal. But in your case what you describe it is definitly annormal

As you know, you're guilty of no such crime. In fact, her warning is valid, so empathy-seekers, take note: be certain of your ability to separate genuine empathic sense from reading body language before claiming your empath abilities thumbsup.gif .

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If they feel really sick or really happy the intensity could be amplified by that too. For projecting it consciously, I guess it could be possible like telepaths, but it would demand a certain discipline.

Either way, I do not see why this guy would project is feeling of sickness...what could be is motive behind this?

You're probably right, intensity of feeling probably amplifies it out for people to pick up on. I'm not sure of conscious empath projection, though. I guess some of you guys can try it out and report your findings back here? I HAVE found, though, that when I personally have intense emotions, electrical stuff around me goes wonky. Not lately, though, thank the gods. Comfort with the metaphysical world brings you a bit of a zen-like state, which is much appreciated after all that soul-searching! Whew!

As for the guy, I don't think it was intentional. Probably had more to do with how sick he was...

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Many who has the ability and keep at it will one day feel others pain too. For some it may come naturally thought. As for me, I stay away from hospital as much as I can 

You poor thing. I wish I could tell you how to turn it off, but I don't know how, other than hearing other people talk of creating shields.

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just a curious question....why where you trying to avoid him? did you start avoiding him after the first feeling of pain or before? did you try to avoid him because he was drunk? If you tried to avoid him before you felt is pain, and not because he was drunk...do you think that perhaps you could have a connection with him, altough you do not know where?

I was avoiding him before the first feeling. He'd spent the morning passed out and puking by the front door, with me and someone else helping him. Then around noon I was in bed, and he came wandering into my room, all confused. I'd yell at him to get out, and being a confused drunk Russian, he'd just move in closer to my bed with a blank, lost look on his face. Not the best conditions to meet someone for the first time... so I was trying to avoid him.

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a few question that comes to my mind:

- try to remember how you felt that day?
- did you feel tired, emotionnal, or anything that could of made you vulnerable?
- like mentionned above, did you sense that you could of knowed him somehow?
- do you think you open yourself to him even just for a second the first time you felt is pain (by curiosity or something else)?
- could he have taken you by surprise?
- did he annoy you prior to the feeling ( it could of unbalance you, thus opening you to feel it)

I felt pretty relaxed and lazy. Not particularly emotional. We pretty much ate pizza and watched tv all day (well, the rest of it at any rate...). If being lazy makes you vulnerable, I would have been feeling the whole neighborhood wink2.gif . I didn't feel like I knew him, but he was kinda acting a little more interested in me than I would have liked. Maybe he made the connection, and I was just aware of it because I could feel him back? Weird. Hey, maybe he was stealing my soberness from me! The SOB! Weird, weird, weird. I don't like the feeling of maybe not being in control there... Thanks for the input, Portal, I probably wouldn't have thought this without ya!
ThePortal


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As for the guy, I don't think it was intentional.  Probably had more to do with how sick he was...


I think so to


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Many who has the ability and keep at it will one day feel others pain too. For some it may come naturally thought. As for me, I stay away from hospital as much as I can 

You poor thing. I wish I could tell you how to turn it off, but I don't know how, other than hearing other people talk of creating shields.


I am able to ''shield'' myself but it is hard when the only time you go to the hospital is to see a close person who is sick or very hurt. Since i am nervous...it is hard to do happy.gif


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I felt pretty relaxed and lazy.  Not particularly emotional.  We pretty much ate pizza and watched tv all day (well, the rest of it at any rate...).  If being lazy makes you vulnerable, I would have been feeling the whole neighborhood  wink2.gif .  I didn't feel like I knew him, but he was kinda acting a little more interested in me than I would have liked.  Maybe he made the connection, and I was just aware of it because I could feel him back?  Weird.  Hey, maybe he was stealing my soberness from me!  The SOB!  Weird, weird, weird.  I don't like the feeling of maybe not being in control there...  Thanks for the input, Portal, I probably wouldn't have thought this without ya!


no problem Guzfoo

from what you say, the likely reason would be that he annoyed you so much that perhaps this annoyance unbalanced you and left you open.

As for not being in control...you always have the control. We just have to learn not to let people get to us that much. Sit and laugh or lock every door behind you laugh.gif
gufzoo
According to the moderators at the Psion Guild forum (so no, I did not make this stuff up tongue.gif ) "telepathy" is a broad term describing the gathering of information from other peoples' minds. They describe at least four specific types of telepathy, including:
1) cogni-pathy = knowing other peoples' thoughts
2) em-pathy = feeling other peoples' complex emotions
3) neural-pathy = sensing nervous system functioning of other people, including their five senses, skeletal muscle movement, and base metabolic activity
4) primal-pathy = sensing instinctive reactions in others

This both came as a surprise to me, and suddenly made so much more sense to me. Up til then, I'd always been confused about empathy, and why my experiences with it were different from most others'. Unlike most people, who feel other peoples' emotions, most of my experiences include feeling other peoples' physical pains. This is actually neural-pathy, not em-pathy.

I remember some other people in this forum, including The Portal, saying that they also feel other peoples' physical pains. But nobody ever mentioned this concept of it being a separate ability from em-pathy, so I just thought I'd comment on that here. I also want to see if any of you are primal-paths, since I've only talked to one before, and that was in the Psion Guild forum. Seems like a rather odd ability to have, so I'd be interested in seeing how it could be used and what it's like. Also, I still recommend using the psi abilities chart I mentioned in a new thread here. It really is helpful, if you can understand it...
http://www.thepsionguild.net/psichart.html
rachelkleypassparrow
Empathy is feeling the needs and wants of somebody,or something. I do it all the time with my dog and three cats. One cat, I have it down to a fine art-she can respond to my unspoken feelings and thoughts like I can with her.

It is just a matter of picking up on the energy that they give off.

I can sense some people's unspoken feelings. You know speak one thing but mean another.

I can feel whether somebody is being sincere; or just trying to be kind to not hurt my feelings.


I lived with a native american family for six months and they told me the way that they used to use it to get close to wildlife.

When you see that everything and everyone is connected-you can even feel thier emotional and physical pain as if it were your own.

The only danger is losing touch with your own feelings and being able to seperate your feelings from those whom you are sensing.
Ancestralbone
Since I am new and also empathic I thought that I would try stirring up the thread a bit. I crying.gif me to see how many empaths are only dwelling on the negative side of their gift. I believe from the bottom of my heart this is a gift but do not misunderstand me I also accept the negative side as well. I feel emotions, life threatening illness, and energy from living and deceased.

There was a time when I almost succeeded in turning it and that was out of guilt. My Sister became ill and I knew from the moment I touched her right foot what was wrong. She had white blood clots due to a infection. Now not knowing too much about medicine it threw me and I was 22 at the time. White blood clots are the hardest to dissolve within the human body and is more life threatening the red due to the chances of dissolving the clots. The Doctors did not know if they could save my sister's leg but I knew before she went into the hospital. sad.gif I knew that was the last time I would touch her foot because it would be gone. As a loving sister you would have thought I had told her what was going on but no I did not. We were not close then and part of me hated her for all her lying to me and I knew because I felt it. We're close now but then was a different story and I wanted so badly to be wrong. I was not and she lost the leg three inches above the knee man did I crying.gif for years afterward due to guilt. I let that go had to before it killed me.

Today I embrace my gift as a part of my being and knowing that there are people whom I can help and some I cannot. I open my mouth and say what I sense from them and it is up to them what they do with the information. I have learned to cleanse some of the negative emotions but need help with cleansing of the illness I absorb. I accept the good and bad in life in order for me to be balanced. Hope I did not offend anyone but I feel if you embrace who you are there is a better chance of having a happier life. Everyone had good and bad whether empathic or not. I survived my childhood rape and forgave the man not for him but for me. Forgiving myself for being a self human being when it came to my sister took over a decade to do. I did do it finally. If anyone took offence I am sorry was not my intention. original.gif
~*Phoenix*~
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Does anyone have any tips for an aspiring empath? I've never been able to do the telepathic/empathic skills very well, but I would like to learn empathy. Thanks!


I'm an Empath. its not so great. but i was born with the ability.. I dont htink you can just become something your not.


**please mess. me on here cuz i dont look back on here tongue.gif
Megalomania
Gawd, this is uneducated-guess-central.

I'm not going to say anything else....

"When other people feel pain, I cry with them. Therefore I'm a divine being"

Yeah, well that's like saying:

"I'm a male, I have strong political views. THerefore I'm George Bush"
kariudo115
I suppressed my empathy long long ago, when i was in 3rd grade, because my sensativity to other peoples emotions was getting me beat (up to the point of death threts, mom pulled me outa school in 4th grade at that point). i belive its something that can be learned, but i wouldent suggest it. not only do you feel everybodyelces pain, but it has nevative sociall side effects too, the small amount thats left in me gets me called gay alot, its not cool

you just need to think about every aspect of it first, dont rush into anything you cant handle

N8
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