QUOTE(gufzoo @ Jan 11 2005, 12:06 AM)
You think that an emotional connection is not mystical? Is it not related to the spirit? Can it be detected using laboratory equipment? You are wrong, it can be honed. What first-hand experience have you had to say otherwise?
What I'm picking up from what you're saying is that you are rejecting the use of empathy as an ability not because of what IS possible, but because of what you think SHOULD NOT be possible. People shouldn't be able to hone the ability to actually feel what another person is feeling - therefore, they can't. This is faulty reasoning. What should or should not be possible does not matter when questioning what is possible.
Seeking to control an ability that stems from love of another person will only strengthen that love. Empathy brings emotional and physical pain. No power-hungry, corrupt person would seek out empathy purely for the power of it.
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Hello Gufzoo,
I understand what you mean but I just wish to warn you not to take what Insight is saying lightly.
Truth is, he is right on many points and people can easily mistake some empathy experience for a paranormal phenomenon.
Keeping in mind that we receive an incredible amount of information at any given moment. Our mind cannot possibly account all this information, and thus it works very selectivly. If we are in a track of mind that we wish to feel and understand what the others people feel. This is what we will see since this is what we command our brain to do. Actually that information is there all the time, it is only when we consciously look for it that we will see it.
Now here is the tricky part. Who can say that they are
aware of 100% of their toughts reguarding anything. It is extremly difficult to do. I have strive it for a long time and I have not reach it. Even long life Buddhist cannot say they do altough they strive for the same thing. Now what is aware....aware is knowing every thought. Where it comes from, why it came to you, how does it feel, taste, feel. What does it makes you think about, feel. Why did you think about that thought instead of another. Aware is knowing everything that goes on in your mind and body.
Now if we keep in mind that most people are not even aware of a fraction of their mind. Then it would be unwise to think that all acounts of empathy are mystical. The truth is, most of empathy is how we read the person body language, tone of voice, the way they speak, how they speak. How they move, not move. And their eyes...Eyes cannot easily lie. Eyes says everything even if you have a big smile on your face.
Now lets say you do your empathy ability, so you command your mind to do just that. What you might not be aware of ,is all the information that is being processed. I have caught myself many times, and in the end it was their body language, tone of voices. But most of all the eyes. They are a dead give away. But if people are excited and think this as an mystical ability, be carefull. Your mind shows you what you wish to see. Without even knowing these people have processd all the clues, but yet think it is a mystical aility. When in reality it is not always the case.
As for feeling it as if it was your own. If you are aware that you are only reading the persons emotion, then you will perceive that information as to what it is... emotion. He feel angry, he feel sad, he feel troubled..etc.. Now there is two way as to wich you will feel it. The first if the person is not aware that she is reading the other persons emotion, she can unconsciously mistaken this feeling as her own...this is the case of many who do not like empathy and seek control of it or to get rid of it. Now the other, open itself to feel the other emotion and since think that for him to know how the other feel, he has to feel it to. Remember that your mind will manifest what you wish him to. And since we perceive emtion more as an emotion than a word. We tend to make ourself feel it for a better understanding. We have to remember here that many mind decision are made unconsciouly and will only be conscious or make us aware of them if you really look.
Our mind is our biggest helper but can be our worst deceiver. If we do not probe enough, question everything. Our mind will only continue to perceive what you wish to perceive. Remember our mind cannot process all the information at any given time. It will give you the information you ask and need to survive. So if you think empathy is a God given ability, never will you catch yourself reading the other person. That information will only go deep in your unconscious...never to be seen again. You will be deceiving yourself. And the day that you will finally realise, it will be a very big let down.
This is why I always say that empathy is a beautifull ability but for the most part quite normal. And those that search for it, will find it. And that those that wishes to deepen it, only needs to learn themselves and behavior pattern better.
Now as for the mystic side of it. I am not saying it does not exist. I have experienced on quite a few occasions things that I could not explain. Usually when I am around the person it can most often than not be explained as me reading them. But when we are not together....this is where it gets tricky and makes you think often of a deeper connection somewhere.
I do not think I have the answer, but I sometime feel that our thoughts and feelings are perhaps in another energy form that cannot be perceived by the normal eye. But can be perceived or felt if you are open to it. Whatever it is
truth is, life is stranger that what it seems. But I still wished to make people understand that a big part of empathy is quite normal And that anyone who wishes to undertake such a road, must first understand their own mind to be able to perceive the normal from the annormal.
and Gufzoo as for you feeling drunk because of that guy. I know what you mean. I have been around people who where sick and I felt their pain almost becoming sick myself. This fortunatly does not happend all the time. So there must be a reason behind this or a pattern. But I do not have the answer ....so I'll keep questionning until i find an answer...until then I could tell you many things..but in the end it would be only speculation