As some people may know, I was asked last night to visit a graveyard, after dark, on the promise that I would be able to "call out" the spirit of a recently departed relative, and perhaps catch sight of some other spirits, or....what was it...red eyed demons? Prancing about after dark, on their way to happy hour

Since the member in question is currently PMing me for my results, I might as well post them here, partly because I can't be bothered poking my inbox every couple of mins, and partly because it gives other people a chance to share their thoughts, and any experiences they might have had that contradict mine.

That, and I intend to be as sarcastic as possible.


9pm - got off my first day of work. My mobile phone wasn't working, so I wasn't able to phone for a lift...however, I was pleased to see my lift was actually parked right outside waiting for me...obviously, this means the spirits I was soon to be visiting were sending signals to my parents, telling them I was ready, to counter the evil electrical impulses sent by those red eyed demons, disrupting my phone

About 10pm - arrived at grave yard, with a few friends who have far too much free time, and decided to join me on my morbid exercise. Three of our number (myself included) went off to find graves of loved ones, each accompanied by a buddy as a witness (or just to chat too if the dead were feeling particuarly lazy tonight). By request, I paired off with my friend Shady, as I knew him to be quite capable of, should any demons come to assault me, subduing them with well placed one liners, and the occassional jab about their lack of nether regions.

About 10:10pm - located the grave of my late grandfather, and asked him to come out for some after dark merriment. When this did not work, Shady made a promise of taking him to a local club to hook up with some girls who didn't mind extreme decomposition.

Unfortunately, neither my own request, nor the promise of his first humping in about a decade were sufficient to get my grandfather to show.

10:50 - Over the course of the next forty minutes, numerous attempts were made to rouse my grandfather from his hibernation. None of them were successful, and neither Shady nor myself experienced anything that could be described as supernatural. There was no drastic change in temperature, no moaning from the darkness (unless you count my friend who paired off with her boyfriend), and no materialisation of puffy white humanoid clouds, bearing messages from beyond the grave (although I am pretty sure another of my friends lit up some pot at one point...this would, of course, have great significance on how seriously I'd take him when he reported back to me at the end of the hour).

11pm - we met up again at the cars, and all reported that nothing out of the ordinary had occured. Someone did mention that they noticed their backside becoming significantly colder at one point, but as Shady pointed out, being dumb enough to sit on stone in the middle of the night will do that to you


None of us reported noticing any hovering red lights that may have been these alleged "demonic eyes", nor did we have any halluc...uh..I mean...nor did we notice the souls of other dead folk out for a stroll.

All in all, it wasn't a very productive hour I am also forced to conclude that, after three examples in my expiriment all failed, the chances of finding demons and ghosts in a graveyard after dark probably various with the amount of alchohol you've consumed, or whether or not you can tell the difference between a ghost and a bunch of teenagers hanging around after dark conducting paranormal expiriments

And not one picture Sera ,
I would have expected a little hard factual evidence from you .. : pokey toungey outey gif:

darn my preference for fast reply .

very cool Sera!

If I thought hard evidence was required for a report that claims to have found nothing, then I would have taken some I considered this entire process insulting, and fully expected the result I got.

Now, if I'd actually claimed to have seen something on note, THEN I can understand the requirement for photos

As a scientist you understand that sometimes an experiment may yield something and sometimes it dosen't , but proof the actual experiment exsisted is still required .

At this point all we have is your word and and the alleged word of somebody called Shady . Very dodgy ....

I think you should head back tonight and this time take photos : pokey outey oh you all get it :

You may have been confused at the time of happy hour. Ghost, as a matter of fact, exist on a different plane of existence, and may come out at say, 4:30, for the most part.

That might not do much good, given I don't have a scanner...

I do, however, have five other eye witnesses who could (and would) vouch for the events of the night, and describe exactly what I did *shrugs* And, if you were really desperate, Talon would also vouch for the fact that I left with them.

I also described my expiriment in a manner that (sarcastic thought it is) would be conducted in the exact same manner by anyone who red it, and would very likely yeild the same results. That is the standard practice for any lab report.

When I am doing a report for Uni, they don't require me to photograph my test tubes to prove I did the expiriment It's not the only way to verify that an expiriment took place...hard proof simply isn't required to publish your results, not unless the results obtained were absolutely ridiculous or unexpected.

This is actually starting to sound like some kind of evil plan to get me to post pics of myself on the boards

Lol Seraphina in that case I shall write up a report of an evening vistit I had at a cemetary in my youth ....



9:30pm : Myself , Leanne and Chris decide we shall undertake a trip to the cememtery. Finish beer , then leave .

10:15 : arrive outside cemetery , where I declare my self " Not scared " . Finish next beer and climb over gates . landing in a feminen and lady like fashion on inside of cemetery . Wander quietly why people insist on locking ghosts in ? and ask for another beer to be passed through the gates .

10:18 Leanne and Chris declare themselves also to be " Not scared " and jump gate . Chris lands well as he is sober and responsible , Leanne lands in a no way near as lady like manner as myself .

10:20 :walk toward the center of the cemetery ..

10:21: turn around and discover I'm all alone

10:21:and 1/2 : turn and run screaming and crying in a lady like and feminen manner

10:19: arive back at vehicle ( I can run damn fast when I want ) . phew need another beer .

Results : No idea drunk and panicked, absolutely useless really .

and no photo's

Doesn't need photos...since you didn't make any bizaare claims of seeing a ghost or whatnot, I'll take your word for it

I had a similar experience to this once...back when I was young and stupid, and a bunch of friends dared me to walk up a really long (and privately owned) road that was opposite my house years ago...insisting they'd be behind me.

I've come to realise that, when people swear they'll be "behind you", that usually means "about one hundred yards behind you "

I tend to agree with Snuffy on this one. Maybe you should go back at a different time. Maybe 10:00 p.m. was a bit early for the ghosties to come out and play?

You're right...I forgot how particular corpses are

I can't see the point in an experiment of this sort if you aren't going to take it seriously. I mean, why did you bother, Seraphina ?

It was for the fans Athlon, for the fans..

If you weren't serious, could that have been one of the reasons you never noticed anything paranormal in the graveyard?
Just curious!

Or could be as I said before, it may have been to early for the ghosties to come out.

Good job on your experiment Sera.

I think I know where the experiment went awry:

In my opinion ghosts and ghouls only appear in a cemetary if the viewers have had several beers under their belt...I'm talking the good stuff too; no Budweiser.

Disembodied spirits are drawn to pretzels as well, so keep that in mind...

Good luck.

Lady Sera,

I saw a movie once where this girl would go into a cemetary and lay down flat on her back on a grave. She claimed she could 'feel' the vibes of the dead. Perhaps you should try this procedure. Just talking to the grave isn't much good. You have to communicate with the dead on their level...which I believe is horizontal. Good luck. I agree with Kismit...you should at least take a picture of your grandfather's tombstone to prove you were there...of course I believe you but.....well you know what I mean.

For that we'll need pictures, lots and lots of pictures

Seraphina...I can't believe you've actually done this. I think an open mind and serious attitude would help. Take pictures. You might get orbs or mists, a camera can pick up what the human eye can't.

Good luck....I hope you find what you are looking for.

Exactly....pics would prove I WENT there...wouldn't prove the expiriment actually took place They're a bit of a moot point...anyway, like I said, don't have a scanner anyway.



My own opinion of the expiriment is irrelevant if the outcome is going to be something clearly observable, such as the manifestation of a "spirit". If it's there, I would have seen it...

Besides, I had a total of six people there, each of which with their own thoughts and opinions (one of whom got high ) who saw nothing also...blaming the outcome on my own opinion is a pretty weak leg to stand on

The reason I bothered, in any event, is because the person who asked me to do this annoyed me. They made a ridiculous claim, and a ridiculous guarentee, and I felt the need to indulge them for the sole purpose of showing them to be incorrect.

You haven't proven anything except maybe something to the individual that challenged you. To me the only thing you have proven is that you have a closed mind to the paranormal. (But I already knew that )

Try some more experiments if you really are interested....really delve into it. Many here take the paranormal, seriously.

I take the paranormal very seriously indeed I often take most of the so called "experiences" on this site with a pinch of salt, but for the most part I'm open to the possibility, so long as the account is plausible and/or evidence is offered.

What I didn't take seriously is the following...



This....is not a serious claim, it's childish stupidity It's this challenge that my expiriment was addressing....although quite frankly Babs, I don't see much point responding to you, since I'll probably just end with a "Ghost of Bush's great grandfather 2004!"

Moe gives props to Seraphina for attempting said experiment. An open mind is a good thing to have, especially when dealing with topics of such nature. Moe only has one suggestion for the Lady Seraphina.

Next time, she should drink an entire bottle of Nyquil. This will gaurantee her many sightings to write about.

Admittedly, that is funny. But I do think it is terrific_ you going to a graveyard at night to conjure up deceased relatives...or trying to see spirits. I hope you continue your quest and maybe you can tell us more about fascinating and interesting things that might occur. If nothing else, it sure is entertaining.

I mean you can't expect the paranormal to fall in your lap in one day....that's like going to school for one day and expecting to get an education.

hmm....make it a frequent thing, eh? Well....I suppose I could do that...I would, however, require some more material...can't just catalogue my exploits in a graveyard over and over, no fun

Perhaps some suggestions on things I can make similarly sarcastic reports on?

hmm...ah...go to a seance. Or make one up yourself. Gather your buddies together or better yet get some real serious-minded people involved, you know, people who really believe or have experienced the paranormal. Maybe you could have the seance at the graveyard.

Speaking of graveyard, that was funny about the ghost of Bush's grandfather_even more funny if he showed up in a Scottish cemetery.

You guys are so lucky. Scotland is so old and has so much history, you sure could find a lot of supernatural goings-on there. Anybody else have suggestions? This is going to be scary. (I love to be scared)

Try not flushing your toilet for a week, and taking a peek down there afterwards.

I don't actually recommend mucking around at a seance , particularly sarcastically . But I'm not one to stop a hardend skeptic, if that's what they want to do .

people dont be all rude like me i belive that she went to the grave yard i asked her but just because she found nothing or her relative did not talk to her that dosent mean he wasent there

Yeah, well I'm gonna do my own graveyard experiment! With blackjack aaaaannd Hookers! Actually, forget the experiment, and the blackjack. Ahhhh forget the whole thing!

*pokes around for some information about seances*

*shrugs* Yeah, I can do this Although...hmm...*looks at the guide*




That's me out then But still...let me get this straight...ghosts only respond to people who already believe they're there? Wow, how profound...that really makes me believe they're not figments of people's imaginations




My, Talon, Shady. There ya go Or do we need at least one person who wouldn't be laughing?




In other boards, make sure there's at least one other person there who might be doing the moving? Nah, if I use a board, I'd do it alone. Then I'd know for certain that, if the thing moved, it wouldn't be a person doing it (I'd be the only one there after all).



Ah yes, of course When else would they come out? Why would a ghost ever want to communicate with a person who's fully awake, alert, and who's mind isn't in a state to play tricks on itself



Oh for crying out loud...

I can't be bothered wasting money on buying all this stuff, and never using it again...perhaps instead I'll just go to a "professional" medium, make up a person for them to "call", and try to look amazed as this non-existant person supposedly appears, and starts answering my made up questions

I find such a closed mind to the possibility of paranormal phenomena incredibly disappointing. As a few have posted, a serious attitude and perhaps more than simple sarcasm and witty ditty's and you may surpass your expectations and experience something that many others have.

An open mind is a great thing.

Phenomenon, I'm going to try and impart some of my vast wisdom upon you...

People can lie...personal experiences can be scewered by misinterpretations, mistakes, or a person simply convinceing themselves that they see or hear something that isn't there.

The one thing that cannot lie, that cannot make mistakes, is evidence. Evidence is tangable, it is either there, or it isn't. My own personal opinion of the existance (or lack thereof) of ghosts would in know way effect wheither or not I would have found "evidence" of them on my expedition.

If the ghosts were walking around, I would have seen them...if they were talking, I would have heard them. If they were having an after-work fiesta, I would have picked up a glass, and actually livened up my hour spent there Whatever I may have set out believing would in no way alter the evidence already present at the scene.

If you actually want to offer some kind of encouragement, perhaps you'd like to give an example of something else I can attempt?

I have plenty thanks, but thanks for the offer.

It's always the easy way for the skeptic/non-believer, putting it down to mistakes, lies etc. The fact you didn't experience anything doesn't mean it doesn't exist.



Keep trying.

It's always the easy way of the non-skeptic/believer, putting it down to not not having an open mind The fact that some people think they've experienced something, doesn't mean it happened.

I'm a reasonably intelligent man. I don't sway too easily and have never been one to jump on the paranormal bandwagon and believe everything thrown its way. I do, however, have a personal experience that cannot be explained, it only happened twice and has not happened since. If I were the sort of person to make things up, surely as a site owner in the supernatural I would make a few things up.

Okay, let's start at the beginning then....first of all, is there a thread you can link me too that might describe your encounter? If not, can you tell me about it here. I'll see if I can't explain it for you or, at the very least, give possible explanations other than the paranormal.

My Story

I look forward to a scientific explanation.

A feeling of "heaviness"? You call THAT a paranormal experience? That could be anything...especially since you were in an unfamiliar place; uncomfortable, unused to your surroundings. Certainly, it doesn't strike me as altogether unusual....I wouldn't even call it noteworthy But okay, on to your other one...

Your second one is a little more interesting, in that someone actually HAPPENED One question, before I start...when you woke up your wife, did she see you hovering some twenty inches above the bed, or were you back on the bed as normal when she came round?

Oh i get it!!!

I'm in a new flat and that made me feel heavy? got yer now.

Don't take a single phrase out of context, explain the whole picture and don't nit pick at little details.

I'm wating......

That's not nit-picking, it's pointing towards a contributing factor You were uncomfortable, you were tired, you were out of your familiar surroundings...psychologically, this can contribute a great deal to feelings of restlessness, stress, sleeplessness...any number of things that could have explained why you felt uncomfortable.

A feeling of "heaviness" isn't exactly unusual either In fact, your account of it is so vague, it's difficult to reason out what you mean by it...from your account, it sounds like your limbs just went to numb, and you made a mountain out of a molehill.

I do believe I asked a question by the way, which you failed to answer....however, I don't see any reason whatsoever to deal with you if all you're going to do is come back with condescending and sarcastic babble. If you want me to treat your account in any way seriously, then you're going to have to treat my answers seriously.

Quite frankly, if that's how you leap at the first offered explanation, then I doubt very much you made a great deal of effort to find any yourself, before assuming "paranormal! I had a paranormal experience! Aaah!"

Wrong, I said my senses were sharp.

look at the whole picture and don't take comments out of their proper context. You obviously haven't read it thoroughly, or you are simply doing what most skeptics do and assuming the facts.

I haven't lepped at anything, you haven't offered me an explanation.

I haven't "assumed" anything yet, I merely don't find it in any way unusual. I have instead asked a question about your second experience, because something note worthy actually occured there

Do you actually want any help with this, or are you just looking for an excuse to up your post count? I have rather a few questions that I intend to ask to try and understand what occured, but if you're not going to answer them there's not a whole lot of point

If you don't cooperate, then I can only assume you don't want an explanation to begin with. What's in your article is vague at best, and doesn't give anything like the kind of details I'd need to try and get a picture of what happened to you.

I actually thought the article was as descriptive as it could possibly have been. i wrote what happened and didn't add details to fatten it out.

You said I was tired, which in this thread would be an important factor. I clarified that this was a mistake on your part, as it was.

The details are there, please offer me some explanantion.

How on earth can I offer you an explanation when you flatly refuse to cooperate with me in any way whatsoever?

I'm going to try asking again...when you woke your wife, did she see you in the middle of your hovering act, or had you returned to the bed by the time she came round? You say she awoke "instantly", so I assume this means she saw you floating, as you stated, "twenty inches" above the bed?

My wife was asleep on her side, to my left. I shouted her name and the "experience" ceased immediately. I did say that in the article. The chances of anyone waking up and turning round in a fraction of a second, focusing on something are remote to say the least.

Figured.

Did you feel yourself descending, or were you suddendly "there", back on the matress?

Figured?

Almost as if you have a preconseption of my experience. A sleepy individual who thinks he experienced something but didn't.

I fell back to the mattress, although we are only talking inches and nothing more.

From twenty inches? Did you wife feel your landing?



Twenty inches is nearly two feet

My wife was fast asleep when I shouted her name. As I have already explained, in the confusuon of waking up from fast sleep the chances of her feeling my fall are remote. She doesn't even remember me hitting her.

Who mentioned feet?