It's okay quoting mistaken events, I can do that. But if that's the only arguement for paranormal phenomena not existing then it's a very weak one.

shes right not every 1 would see the ghost because they are not sencesative to them however ya spell that word shes lucky shes not sencesative to them

Are you getting irritated?

Three people at investigation seeing same thing. Depends on the conditions. It is very easy for one person to say did you see that and the next to continue that train of thought and for it to become chinese whispers. Its also very easy to pick up on other peoples moods being in a scary enviroment, you know how people are feeling its pretty obvious.

Unless three people with no refering to eachother described the exact detail of the incident and the time and place and the general feelings they had whilst experiencing this, to a seperate person, then no I would not find this strange.

ill admit it if i went in a grave yard at night id be scared people fear what they cant see they fear the unknown thats what makes it fun going there you never know whats gona happen there

As they have numerous times, and this is my point.



I'd prefer to have a decnt mature discussion with a mature person, however, if you feel the need to drop down to some juvenile level then so be it, I shall leave what is a great thread.

Believing everything you hear is a weak way of finding out the truth As I tried to tell you earlier...people can lie, people can make mistakes, people can forget.

Evidence cannot. Evidence is either there, or it isn't...and as far as ghosts are concerned, there's very little in the way of tangible, undisputable evidence

im sure that you havent been to a very scary place besides the grave yard yet im sure if you ran in to devile worshipers im sure you would find evil spirits by them trust me you would

I don't believe everything I hear and never would. As for lies and mistakes, are you trying to say to me that every paranormal experience can be explained like this, if not how do you explain it?

Blazer, I seem to remember this entire grave yard expiriment started because you said "trust me, you would!"



Since I haven't read every paranormal experience, it's difficult to say But I do believe a vast majority of them are, indeed, easily explained...if not by this, then by another method. Certainly, I've yet to hear one that didn't sound explainable.

You have to remember, an offered explanation doesn't mean, proof posative, that the explanation is correct...however, it is an alternative. And I'm afraid without any proof of the existance of ghosts, the alternative will have to remain the most likely of those possabilities.

I believe there are things we can't yet explain....however, I don't believe there's anything that we'll NEVER explain.

i never said that the ghosts would be there all the time

Blazer, you aint doing too much for the faithful amongst us.

Yes...I'd noticed that

what do you want me to tell you i cant say that everytime a person goes out to a place that is haunted that theres gona be a ghost there that has been provend maney times

OMG!!

That's twice we have agreed, surely not?

I need to go lay down.

Blazer, one of the biggest stigma's attached to the paranormal is the cliched idea that ghosts are found in castles, hotels and graveyards. To be honest it's a stigma I'd rather not see.

But that's exactly what you DID tell me when you asked me to head off on my little journey You insisted that, if I called on a relative, they'd appear.

You also insisted that, when I left a tape recorder on overnight, I would hear ghosts moving around....I decided to humour you, and did so...and ended up listening to eight hours of nothing when I woke up

its not my problem if you really wana see a ghost go play with a board or something

So...uh....anyway.....Mr P, what was it you were saying?

go get 1 of those boards im sure you will crap in your pants when you make contact

Mr P, grrr.

Basically as i see it, it comes down to this. Sera decided to do an impromptu experiment to see if she would experience anything and the conclusion was she felt nothing...why does that not suprise me? To me the reality is that people who believe are going to experience, witness something made up in their own minds because of that eagerness to believe. For an outsider or a sceptic to come in and not notice anything is not because they are not sensitive or any of the other excuses....Its because its not there.

There is not one person, and there has been many decades gone that this should of happened, who has stood up and said I have real hard evidence here, I know the basic make-up of ghosts, why they present themselves, what effects they cause etc.

There is no proof of ghosts existence. From what has been researched, in my mind, only proves that what people experience is to do with enviromental, social, psychological and physiological factors. These factors CANNOT be ignored for they are there and they are real.

lottie you make me laught lol whatever maybe ill send a ghost your way

Lottie, I've been trying to argue the very same thing in every single ghost thread I've posted in...that's trailing back over a year of posting Every single time, I'm told the same thing...

"But I saw it! You've just got a closed mind!"

It amazes me...people seem to confuse a logical mind with a closed one



Oh Blazer, believe me, you're giving us our fair share of laughs in return

Lottie there is a lot of evdence that still remains unsolved.

When you say evidence, do you actually mean "evidence", or simply witness accounts? Because they don't amount to the same thing.

these 2 skeptics dont see what we see so they automaticley say that there is no such thing wait till they really see 1 1 of these days they will trust me on that part

Blazer, I don't think he sees what you see either

dont you get it theres way to much evidence out there

Not at all, I have a logical brain and take extreme persuasion in these matters. it does see mthat skeptics are closed to possbilities because they often look at something from a scientific side, and that's it.

i dare a skeptic to go to a grave yard at night and out right scream there is no such things as ghosts lol i would love to know what happens to them

Umm...I have slept in a graveyard once.... Was awake most of the night...Would do so again....

Wanna join me blazer?

Well....yeah What else would we do?

Without coroborating evidence, and eye witness account is just that...an account. It's a story that can be spun, incorrect, swayed, distorted...it's simply not reliable, and it's not evidence.

Photographs are nice...although granted, I've never seen one that didn't look either blatantly doctored, or, as you stated earlier, lens flare. There's also the old "it wasn't there when I took the picture!" arguement....which of course we can come back with "how do we know that? "

Ghosts are something that it's difficult to prove...but there is bound to be a way of doing so. In years upon years of investigation, don't you find it a little telling than intelilgent people, scientists, experts, have NEVER managed to do so?

sure id love to so i can poop in my pants lol

Sure, I'll do it tonight Now, when I come back, and tell you that nothing happened, you WILL grow up a little in your kindergarden level attitude to the paranormal, right?

come on i dare aney 1 to do that no non of you skeptics have the guts to do it i know you dont

Arrghhh! I need to go out and you are keeping me from doing so...



What evidence?? After all this time the evidence should be apparent ....but its not.



Blazer I have seen 'ghosts' many times. I have researched and investigated sightings and reports over the years...

This does not mean I believe in them. I have thought long and hard and researched what I have witnessed. From all these experiences for me it comes down to basic logic. The experiences I had are due to what I said before enviromental, social, psychological and physiological factors...nothing more.

how can you see them and say that they are not real that makes no sence

I agree.

Regardless of what I choose to believe in some cases, remarks like that do us no favours whatsoever.

she wont do it i know she wont

She's already said she would and has.

huh bet that suprised you.



Because my logic and logic in general and science says otherwise. Its all to do with what I have said before in the other posts including cortical functions etc.

And now I have to dash...I am late!

bah logic everything is about logic lol

QUOTE(Seraphina @ Sep 27 2004, 11:43 AM)

Blazer, I seem to remember this entire grave yard expiriment started because you said "trust me, you would!"

Oh sera, u should know by now not to listen to blazer! lol

QUOTE(blazer2004 @ Sep 27 2004, 11:58 AM)

lottie you make me laught lol whatever maybe ill send a ghost your way 
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U must have some great powers blazer?!

I agree with Phen on the theory that "ghosts" and such like do not only "come out" at night. It's such an old cliche! And of course, it is only in graveyards that they appear, right?

Can I just ask, how many of u replying to this thread have had paranormal experiences? ....Answer truthfully. Im not haing a go at anyone or trying to start a war, just out of curiosity, im asking

Good question snowbaby.

I truly believe that I have had 2 experiences. I'd love to say it's more than that but I can't.

Blazer, I find people with ur types of opinions and "dares" highly amusing.

Just out of interest, how old are u please Blazer?

i had some i have like 3 shadow ghosts in my house

I Have had many experiencxes, but 2 more prominent ones. I have posted about them previously.

Lottie obviously has...although as she said, she's managed to explain them just fine herself.

I really do wish other people who've had such experiences would take the time to do that...I've not come across a single experience that doesn't seem to have a really obvious explanation behind it, far more believable than "ghosts! Aaah!"

But anyway...

No, I've never had what I could call a paranormal experience...but then again, that could be down to my perceptions of it. For example...if I'm walking up the stairs at night, and it's dark downstairs, I might feel a bit uneasy and quick my step.

...I call this an evolutionary trait that exists in all humans, someone who believes in ghosts might inexplicibly claim it's because I unconsciously realised a ghost was watching me

The reason I don't believe I've had an experience is because nothing has ever happened to me that I couldn't explain. Simple as that...I don't believe anything has happened to people who believe they've had such experiences that THEY couldn't explain, if they tried hard enough.

i swear mine are real very real shadow ghosts are everywhere