Okay Blazer, well done You've convinced us.

Want a cookie?

ive seen 1 of them in human form it was neat

Define "shadow ghosts" please?

they are pure black shaped ghosts that can change forms they stand up to 9 foot tal some are evile and some are nice most of the time they are in blob form thou and umm lol some have evil red eyes hehe

*is now in serious fear of her thread being locked for being ridiculously stupid *

im not being stupid im just saying what they look like

QUOTE(blazer2004 @ Sep 27 2004, 12:25 PM)

they are pure black shaped ghosts that can change forms they stand up to 9 foot tal some are evile and some are nice

How do u know they are evil or nice?

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most of the time they are in blob form

Sounds like u have read too many ghostie books and watched too many spooky movies

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and umm lol some have evil red eyes hehe

Definately too many books and movies

ok think what ya wana think

Apologies Sera.....

back to the topic in hand guys.....

*goes back to bed*

Please please PLEASE don't let this conversation get so trivial my thread is locked? I've got plenty more expiriments to conduct

you know you guys might think im dumb and stupid but thats ok

No one participating in this thread has said anything of the sort, except u.

We're not trying to start an argument, merely asking questions and stating opinions.

like I said.........lets backtrack and go back to the topic originally stated in this thread

ok fine i asked her to go to a grave yard to talk to a dead relative to prove that ghosts were real she said her relative was there and i belived her i never said she lied

i ment she said that her relative wasent there sorry

Neither has anyone else

i wish there was a way to prove that they are real its hard to get them on a camcorder ya know they onley come out when they wana come out takeing pics wont do aney good people would just say they are photoshopped or some sorta camera error or some sorta trickery ya know

If I die....and have to spend the afterlife hanging around a building or graveyard.... Only coming into view of the odd person..... Man am I gonna be annoyed....

The famous Houdini before he died told his wife Bess that he would try and make contact with her after his death and thus maybe proving that the afterlife existed. He gave her a code that only she would understand.
And guess what! After numerous readings given to his wife Bess after his death that code was never given even though the mediums swore he was in communication.
Now someone like Houdini who was an amazing for his time would surely have had no problems whatsoever in contacting the living surely.

Now this is another little detail that adds nicely to my long list of why the Paranormal in the classic ghost sense does not exist...well not until its proven which is highly unlikely.



But why would you hang around a cemetry and around your old bones if you were a ghost? Wouldn't it make more sense to hang around the places you loved. Ghost sightings in Cemeteries by the way are rare.

that totally makes sense. i've always thought there would be little paranormal activity in a graveyard, unless someone died there, maybe mistakenly buried alive or something.
no, the hauntings seem to be where someone lived or had a sudden death experience happen to them.
and sub has a good point, if you spent eternity hanging around an old building, i be pretty diasapointed, if not pissed off, and would spend all my time moving crap and scaring anyone who dropped by.

Blazer, how old are you?

why does every 1 wana know my age stay on the topic

I have a few things to add to this thread , firstly hello to my friend Phen . It's nice to see you pop in here occasionally . Seraphina your thread isn't silly or stupid .
And Blazer it's a good thing I don't ban people for humoring me with silly comments . Although childish poop in your pants type comments are a different story .

A recent scientific study held by skeptics and believers (because the true role of the scientist is observation not assumption) pointed to external electro magnetic interference being a leading cause in most paranormal activity. This was unfortunately taken by most people as it's not ghosts it's electro magnetic infa rays, or what ever the actual term is . (I haven't got the links in front of me right now , but you can find them by looking through Dancing hamsters threads .)
What the studies actually proved was that, that particular type of experience is caused by an external source which effects our brain patterns not that something of a un-known nature wasn't taking place . In other words it proved that it was not in your head but outside of it . Arguably paranormal in nature .

The sleep paralysis theory is fine and does seem to work as a blanket theory for most encounters of that nature . However I was of the belief that is what it is , a theory and un-proven . Anecdotal evidence and the ability of the brain to separate it's functions when waking , don't prove it as a cause for night terrors and such .

And it doesn't cover everything ...

My story
Was not asleep , not even lying down and I would hope there is enough evidence on this site alone to prove I'm relatively mentally stable .


I am looking forward to an attempt at an explanation and would dearly love a scientific reason for it's happening . I won't be back in until tomorrow or later so you have plenty of time to experiment or theories before I come back and reply .

i hate to tell her but ghost feed off of energy to be honest ghosts are just that they are energy soul energy when you die the the soul and energy that ya have left go with you one of these days these skeptics will learn and oh yes i dont care what scientist think because they are not right all the time i hate to tell ya that

I can give you one, with the standard caveat that you are perfectly within your rights not to accept it.

To begin with, Sleep Paralysis is indeed a scientific theory, and by definition proven. It is also a bit more complex than people give it credit for, but that is normal for scientific theories. It is most common in adolescents, but only considered an illness when it occurs regularly for longer than six months, at which point certain medications can be used to reduce the effects. Narcoleptics have a higher chance of being affected by SP than others do. The first most common effect of SP is the lack of response from skeletal muscle. The second most common effect are sensory hallucinations.

Now, most people tend to lump hallucinations in with illusions and misperceptions. They are not the same thing. A misperception is simply sensory data affected by personal response, such as when you go to the Haunted House at a carnival. You know, intellectually, that the monsters are fake, and if you give them a second thought, they become somewhat laughable props of rubber and foam, however the original personal response (that thrilled fear feeling you get walking into these places) colored over the cheesy models and gave them an property that was not physically present. An llusion is a little bit stronger in the sense that it is data that is not so much colored by personal response as it is data incorrectly filed in the brain. While a person can recall an imperception and correct it ("Now that I think about it, didn't that demon thing have a zipper along its back?"), an illusion was entered as it was perceived, not as what it was. Let's say a sleepy person sees a white curtain flowing out a window, they might be under the illusion that it is a ghost. In their mind, they saw a white flowy thing, and in the absence of the category "curtain", or a clear mind to find it, the data was filed in the category "ghost". The observer would deny the two were connected. An illusion, however, is subject to analytical review. Shown further data, such as the actual curtain, the person would likely recategorize the event as what it was, rather than a product of his sleep-fogged mind.

There is a term for the mind that is on the verge of falling asleep. This stage, known as the hypnogogic stage, is when the mind begins making the preparations for physical slumber. The senses begin to mute, the nervous system begins a temporary shutdown, certain areas of the analytical mind begin to calm. Not surprisingly, these are the same symptoms that one experiences during hypnosis. Hypnosis is a psychological method of putting the mind in the same physical state as when it is in hypnogogic stage. Normally, this is done through a careful induction tailored to the type of person that you are (not every induction method will work for every person, which is why so many laymen fail to hypnotise people at parties). Everyone has the capacity to be hypnotized, but the deciding factor is your mind's method of analyzing information. Once a hypnotist understands how your mind categorizes info (usually through the use of certain quizzes), he can put you under, with a minimum of active cooperation needed on your side.

There is another method of hypnosis, through. This is known as Shock Induction. It is not the prefered method, nor even a well liked method, one best suited for parties or psychological emergencies. It can only be performed with certain people, and only under certain circumstances. The essence of it is that the mind is already in a hypnogogic state, when it suddenly becomes blasted with an overload of sensory data (which can be as little as a finger pressed to the forehead), precipitating a psychological freefall into full hypnotic induction. When a psychologist does this, they have to be prepared to carefully guide the person to a state of psychological (or at least emotional) stability. Failing that, a person's mind will shift into overdrive, attempting to make sense of the data overload. In extreme cases, this can lead to catatonia. Perhaps the single most well-known example of this is the soldier suffering from 'shell-shock', which occurs when a mentally tired, emotionally drained soldier is suddenly surrounded by a ferocious and out of control battle, such as a bombardment. His mind, already hypnogogic, is sent into full induction by the overwhelming sound, light, and force of the bombs. His mind, unable to make sense of it, crashes like a computer.

But you didn't ask for all that. What you wanted was an explanation of what could have happened to you. Since you had the patience to listen to my incoherent ramblings to this point, please allow me to tie everything that I have said thus far into a neat little package just for my dear friend Kismit.

Now, according to your story, you were an adolescent, it was around 11:00 at night, and most importantly, you yanked on the blanket three times!

Now, picture this: A cute, young Kismit, tired from a full day of wild parties, sneaky gossip, hot or not boys, and adults who could never have been teens themselves, drags herself to her cozy mattress (literally, as the only bed-related items remaining on it are the sheets preparing to jump to their freedom from the foot of the bed). Her mind, unbeknowst to her, is already well into hypnogogic stage, dulling the senses, calming the analytical mind, putting the body to sleep. She remains awake and lucid, having caught up on its sleep during trig class (like most young things, Kismit needs eight hours of sleep a night, and another eight or so during the day), but her body is almost gone, and all that is left to do is close the eyes and shutdown for the night.

But wait, something is wrong! Kismit's mind, already in its pajamas and unwilling to stir itself back to life, notes that nothing has occured when the arms pulled the blanket up. The command is again given, and again, there is no response. Tired, wanting to sleep, the mind gives the order yet again, Kismit yanks on the sheets hard, and suddenly, unexpectedly, finds herself falling back on her bed!

Boom! Kismit's hypnogogic mind is suddenly bombarded with the metaphorical equivalent of an artillery attack. Senses, already dulled, struggle to convey information. The analytical mind, unable to make sense of the overload, begins hallucinating.

A Hallucination is an entirely different animal. Hallucinations are sensory data being inputed to the brain in the absence of a physical subject. In other words, while illusions modify something that is there, hallucinations completely make it up out of nothing. The mind is completely, totally, and incorrectly geared into classifying the encounter as real, however, the hallucination is being created within the mind. The senses, unable to detect anything, scream to the mind that something is very, very wrong. This is why the great majority of hallucinations fall into the fear category. The mind is simply not able to reconcile what it believes to be true with what is actually true. Because a person having a hallucination is awake and lucid, the event is known to them to be 'real'; however, since they also have their sensory system telling them "This isn't right!", the victim becomes confused and fearful, finding themselves in a situation that isn't making the sense it should.

As soon as young Kismit's head hit the pillow, she was hypnotised. Her mind was awake and lucid, her mind was fabricating a scenario, her senses were screaming that something was not right, and, overall, she was feeling just a tad bit unsettled by the whole thing.

But she needn't have worried. What happened to her has happened to others. Her mind, already in Hypnogogic stage, was unexpectedly Shock Induced into full hypnotic state by her fall onto the pillow. Her mind, unable to make sense of all the data, immediately project the number one most common sensory hallucination, a 'presence' in the room, followed quickly by the number one most common visual hallucination, a 'specter' (large, dark, ominous). Fortunetely, her shock induction was minor, to the point that it dissipated within minutes. Years later, older and wiser, she would recount her tale to her friends, and smile at their responses. Fun would be had by all.

Or it could have just been Ed.

what kinda info is this about

LMAO ....seriously blazer your like the funnyest poster here

thanx alot

Well done Augustus , that was marvelouse .

[Quick hijack sorry Sera] if adolecense are suseptible to these experiences could it be due to the fact that the sleep patern of a teenager changes dramatically over the pubesent years of course an increase in paranormal activity particularly poltergiest type activity is linked to the adolesent years . Often this link is put down to hormone and or pheremone increases .

So how does poltergiest activity which can be witnessed by several people fit into it . The again blanket theory of lies and deciet dosen't wash , I have been on this site long enough to have read some very interesting personal accounts from some very logical and respectable members . Unfortunately a lot of real and genuine accounts no longer make it to the board because people still feel they will be ridiculed .This is partly because we tend to show a high level of skeptisism , which is a good thing and partly because we tend to get a few childish posters who post brief one lined statements , acting knowledgable yet looking silly . Personally I don't care if I'm ridiculed , you get used to it . [end hijack]


and I slept through Geography

Hello to you Kismit.



This is an area where I feel the skeptics have got it wrong in a big way. This activity - better known as RSPK - is often used to explain poltergeist activity. My problem with this is, many reports are not cnetered around teenage children, nor are they centered around a single individual. Poltergeist activity has been around for centuries, or at least the claims to it have. RSPK and poltergeist activity are not one and the same, they are two completely different phenomena and should not be mistaken as one and the same.

Poltergeist activity has been reported in abondoned buildings, castles, anywhere. What this has to do with a hormone enduced teenager is beyond me.

Good points Kismit.

this is funny now the skeptics wana act like they are doctors how nice

Not a Doctor Blazer, but I did take offence to your comment and would like to ask you to try and fill out your posts with intelligent comments .

It may also be beneficial to have a brief read through the forum , have a look around and discover a little more about the place . There's plenty to learn .

Seraphina I love your icon ! Tenchi is awsome and she is my favcorite character. Not to get off the subject ... please continue.....

Actually...uh...I think we were all done here But yes, Washu is awesome

Hmm...since someone's posted here again...maybe I'll get round to visiting that medium, and making a fool out of her...*will get to that, and post up results later*

*is currently incapable of being able to smell anything*

Such greatness . We have managed to get into your head enough to make you actually go out and do the things some of us do everyday .

But then again , although I doubt you would get better results as it is still chance - try again but actually try at night . Try 1am-6am next time .
9pm-11pm is not nightime as far as Im concerned anyways .

I , kikuchiyo of montreal, will try to find photographic proof of ghost the oct. 12 2004. At night fall i will go to the local cimatery with my camera and take as many picture as possible.

it's an attempt to replicate the Seraphina experiment.

My tools are:
-Fujifilm digital camera (series S 5000)
-2x 32mb xD picture card
-lighter and flash light
-pendulum
-rosary and bible (we never know)
-Digital sound recorder (Yepp Yp-t5)

And may Kikuchiyo have merci on me.

But....that isn't a replication of my expiriment You need six people in addition to yourself to coroborate your results, and to provide a wider sampling of results.

yeah well my friends don't believe in anything but them selfs,( deep down i think there's scared out of there minds) but none the less untill th 12 i'll try to find some willing participant.

i'm looking for "critic" people, the type of people who will think twice before coming up with a theory (those are extremly rare).

true it's not an exact replica of your experiment, (geographicly and stuff) also i'll try to get "in contact" with "older" spirits. The place that's going to be the ground A is an old church cemitary and ground B is the Mont royal Cemitary the oldest in montreal (i'm bound to find some restless soul there)

kiku...We'll be awaiting your results.

Xenojjin, do you visit graveyards everyday? If so, that does not surprise me.
And Kikochiyo, good luck finding people, and if you get any good photos be sure to post them.

38 pictures
2h hours
and one cemetery later and All i got is this.

every deceiving first night but on the 31st it's gonna be ground B, hopefully better.

it could be a flash reflection or what ever i doubt it's anything important.

I just cannot believe that balanced and supposedly 'intelligent' individuals go to cemeteries expecting (or not expecting) to see ghosts/spirits of dead people...That would be like going to a shoe shop expecting to see a cow...It is daft, disrespectful and the result of watching too many horror films.

Vimjams

well it's just an experiment, maybe someday i'll walk in a shoe shop and i will find a cow, the chances are slim but it's not imposible. the cows and the shoe shops exist, therefore it's possible for them to be combined.

in fact you can find pieces of cow in a shoe shop in the form of leather.

There's a stronger link between a cemetary and the dead, then the cow and the shoe shop.

I have seen my fair share of horror movies and the most common thing we find in cemetary are Zombies and mass murderes...none of them also if you were wondering.

What's disrespectful about a stroll in a park, just swich the park for a "dead person parking" and you have my experiment.

-kiku

ps: i never said i was balanced nor intelligent.

I agree Which is exactly why I did it; to prove that standpoint correct.

what more disrespectful a man that takes pictures of leafs, grass and stones or being brutally handled by a "specialist" who will shove a 3 inch needle in your largest arteries to pump out the very thing that kept you alive for all these years, then exchange it with a solution (close to varnish) for you body to exibited like a piece of sad art.

there much more the specialist will do to you, as you lay in a satin covered cell.
Paint for the tone, wires for the mouth, marbles for eyes...
...
...so much for an empty shell.

They will then put you in a hole, same a dog would do to a bone, a stone will stand in your place, with a few words( never enought to fully recall you). And so your body and your flesh ends it's life long journey, a journey that lead it to a dead end.

pictures are only but an hommage to the ones the once were, but now are no more.

-kiku

I agree wholeheartedly. I think there are orbs in your photo, I see a red and white one.

That's why I used the analogy



Exactly the same and you won't find ghosts of dead cows roaming around shoe shops either.

Sorry...I accept 'Things That Go Bump In The Night' exist. I have myself witnessed several strange (and scary) ghostly like forms over the past few years. but these have always been at times and in places when one least expects them to happen.
I live right next to a cemetary and the idea that one day I might discover groups of people camped out in there all hoping to see dead people rising up from their graves...Well, it's just grotesque and the sort of thing we see in films.

It's also the kind of thing that brings ridicule to bear.

Take a walk through the dark forest...(at dusk) You'll more than likely see something then.

Vimjams

oh, i thought you were talking about a living one (you should try to be more specific ), the ghost of a cow well...
haven't seen those, but in that case i should sit in front of my refrigerator all night waiting for a tuna how's looking for it middle part or better yet i could go to a isolated highway and wait for a ghostly deer to pass by...
But this beg the question, can animals have ghosts?

I'll take your advice, i guess ghost in urban area are just shy.

and Seraphina, try to support your idea of "disrespect"...
lets say: Standing on those who are resting isn't very nice or better yet you could use: If you would be resting from a life of work and annoyance wouldn't you like to be left alone?

I'd be dead I doubt it'd bother me a whole lot.

sooo what's with the disrespect thing?

I don't regard it as altogether disrespectful....just stupid. The very reason I went there was to establish that there was, in fact, nothing there, and the claim that ghosts wander around graveyards was utterly ridiculous