Which was your first book? I would be interested in reading it.

why would my grandma come to me and talk to me in my dream i knew she was there im not stupid i hate to say this alota you people are gona stay a long time on the 2nd sphere and im not telling you whats there cause you dont deserve to know

Oh no How will we survive?



I would also be interested in reading your book, to see exactly how well you make your investigations...

seeing the scientist that you are and seeing how brainwashed you are id say yeah you gona be on that sphere for a long time

^ This is where I say "Ok Blazer, sure... Ok... You want some ice cream?"

Found an interesting bit of information pertaining to our discussion.

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Yes, umm, time to work on your comprehension skills... I never said she wasnt there, I said "Why should we jump to conclusions and believe its your dead grandmother trying to talk to you from the dead, and not simply a dream?"



Because I'm not negative about everything, I just dont jump to conclusions because of what I'd like to be true. You do.

Hey people, before calling us closed minded... KEEP in mind, we're talking about blazer here...



So why believe it is his grandmother communicating to him from the dead. If I have a dream of a living relative, its just a dream... but if that person is dead, It must be him/her communicating to me from the dead!?

So now you're helping me out by saying there no reason for her to come from the afterlife to talk to you in a dream?



Id like to argue otherwise...



Gee, for something you hate so much, you do seem to say it alot.



2nd sphere? We're the 3rd sphere from the Sun! Hell, we're not even on a sphere!



God, cuz honestly, we dont want to hear you rambling on.



Seeing that we dont jump to conclusions, and have knowledge of the world around us... I'd like to say you're full of sh**.

Stellar there is no need for the insults thank-you , the debate seems to be going nicely with out them .

prove me wrong then you cant no 1 can prove me wrong half the time scientists dont know what they are talking about

and as for spheres im talking about the spheres we go to after we die so yes people like you that are so negative will have alot to learn

I am god. Prove me wrong. Oh yeah... You CANT.



Yes umm... you really should know what "being negative" actually means before calling me a negative person...

trust me we will both end up paying for fighting with each other ive been reading alota ebooks i now belive in evolution but i belive jesus started it all

Wow, you now believe in evolution... after calling all of us stupid in the past for believing in it!

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Wait a sec! Jesus started it?

yes i was jsut being negative like i said ill end up paying for it in the after life thats fine with me

and yes jesus started evolution

Wasnt Jesus a human that existed 2000 years ago IYO? If so, huh? So... humans just popped into existance, and 2000 years ago, Jesus made humans start evolving?

Oh good ,go and start a thread on it .



Lets keep this one for the topic at hand please .

it has been far more then 2000 years id say more like 7000 years and yes he mad us start evolving i know its hard to belive but its the truth

Oh good god. Last time I heard you saying "its hard to belive but its the truth" you were saying evolution was false. Anyway, no more to discuss about evolution here. It'll just turn into a "Yes Im right" "No you're wrong" "Yes" "No" argument.

Now using the logic presented by Shadowsleet , all ghostly phenomenom should be approached from a skeptical point of view , this is something we have managed to agree on , but all reports and cases should not be approached individually . This is sorry to say it Shadow, but bizzare . By this logic all hauntings would be poo-pooed with out even the need for investigation . And I believe this is the crux of this debate , it's good to be skeptical . I prooved to a frightened friend recently that she had nothing more than a case of draftyness , but it is also good to be openminded , not so openminded that your brain might just fall out but still open to being wrong on occasion .
For instance what causes crisis apparitions and how on earth would you re-create the conditions neccisary to explain them ?

Remember where ever we end up theres a good chance somebody will be standing there smirking "I told you so". It's probably going to be me , but sometimes I'm wrong .

Crisis apparitions? Care to explain, please?

And about logic... logic is not meant to answer things without investigation. When an investigation is possible, logic is what guides the investigation, and the investigation is what determins whether the logic was sound, or not.

A Crisis apparition , is the name of a loved one who visits after they die or at the time of death .


I agree Stellar, but I wanted to point out that the logic used when saying that wishing to investigate each reported case individually is flawed because you are now in the realm of wanting a paranormal out come is also flawed . This logic can also be used for an investigation that covers all experiences with a higher level of skeptisism. Infact you would have now crossed into the realms of biased investigation . And there is no logic in an experiment like that .
Because the scientists roll is to observe with out pre-judgement .

You are right. The thing is, in the case of blazers dream, theres no true investigation possible. We only rely on logic, and educated guesses to determin whats more likely. Blazer admitted he was dreaming at the time. Dreams are not reality (leaving all the philosophical perspectives aside), and are basically the mind creating events we live through (in our dreams). It is logical to assume that, since we consider dreams of a living person to be nothing but dreams, dreams of a dead person are just as likely to be that--dreams.

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Dont ask me what I just wrote because I cant even figure it out
Its been a long day!

Yes dreams are a completely different thing , and generally no more than a subconcious reaction to the days activities.

Actually I look at that and think to myself....shouldnt everyone do that with almost everything in their daily lives? Pre-judgement Works on both levels.....

Though by Kismits words that means that knowledge picked up via experiments and research cannot be used in the next case as it will give you a pre-judgement, as your expecting to see the same outcome..... In that case both scientific research, and those on the otherside of the coin is flawed....

I never said anything of the sort I stated that, if a logical explanation for an encounter can be presented, then it should be considered the most likely....that's no poo-pooing the encounter, that's just plain logic.

I don't see why any encounter, no matter what angle you wish to approach it from, should lead you to use a different method than this....if something seems more likely, then the chances are it's the truth. It is far more likely that a freak cold spell caused my water pipes to burst than a poltergeist, for example.

It is more likely that someone in a dark, unfamiliar environment allowed themselves to jump at shadows, than it is they were actually being chased down by a demonic, red eyed ghost.

And it is more likely that kids who claim they're vampires are trying to be 'cool' and gothic, than it is they are able to transform into a bat, and have a biological need to drink the blood of other people (not to mention disintegrating when exposed to direct sunlight).

My point was that when you consciously dismiss logical explanations in persuit of the paranormal, then you're no longer trying to find out what really happened. You're actually rejecting evidence that could explain the encounter, simply because you want to continue upon the minute possibility that something unexplainable has happened....case and point - if there's a logical explanation presenting itself, the encounter is no longer unexplainable, no matter how unlikely you think the explanation is

I have predicted something would occur on quite a few occasions at my home and these incidents did occur in front of witnesses. My home has a lot of accidents and I am able to tell many times when one is coming. Ocasionally, there are three accidents back-to-back. I have warned my husband when I sense an accident and when it occurs, as it does every time, he is amazed.

I have warned strangers after an accident to sit back out of the way because another accident 'might' occur (because I have sensed another one coming in connection with that particular incident, but couldn't tell strangers that ) to keep them safe... and it has come to pass. These strangers are astounded. Some get a little nervous looking at me ...I refer to my home as "the Burmuda triangle". Everyone has a good laugh.

So, I am saying, I can tell when some of the phenomenon that I have encountered will occur. I sense when many of these things are about to happen.

From what you and Sera have said, you two are classifying me. You are saying I am a believer when I have never believed. I am the kind of person that has to be shown a trick.

I went from unbeliever to 'knower'. I have experienced.

Babs, Im not sure if you fully grasp what a believer is. Someone who "knows" still believes....

For example, someone who in there own mind knows god exists, is still classified as a believer in god...not a "knower".

For example....I predicted you would reply again to this topic.... And you have. I have now experianced you posts over a matter of time. Does this mean I know you well?

For a very long time, women were burned at the stake for this very ability It doesn't make it paranormal in the slightest....it's actually a very natural ability prevailant in all women, to a greater or lesser degree.

Women have a very advanced sensory network, particuarly when it comes to reading the emotions of those nearby, but they're also very sensative to subtle changes in their environment. This was a must during the dark days of mankind's pioneer steps, as it was the woman's responsibility to defend the group and be alert for danger whenever the menfolk were away on the hunt.

Being unconsciously sensative to danger, and of anything unusual that could potentially lead to an accident, is something you'll find many women actually are...not just you. What has for years been called "women's intuition", is in fact the work of this complex system in the female brain that deals with sensory input. Some women are able to use it to predict the weather, simply because of subtle dips in temperature or the slightest change in the colour of the sky, because of this system that takes place without their control

In short, there's absolutely nothing unusual, or paranormal about your 'ability'. It just so happens your safeguard system is especially strong.

Sub...I have read Sera's post over and over again and, I have to admit, I couldn't figure out what she was saying.

I think I've got it, now. Okay here goes. There are two camps_ believer and non-believer. I was a non-believer. Now after what I have experienced, I know there is something out there that we don't know anything about. I know this...according to my experience, subjective as you might call it...I know this.

Now. I think you are going to call me a believer... and I am definitely a believer, but not a believer in the sense that I am taking the paranormal on mere faith.

......I have stepped into another category, I'm calling myself a 'knower'.

Interesting Shadow.... and I like what you just said and I am very aware of women's intuition, it is very strong in women and me. Although it must be stronger in some people than others.

I also have precognitive dreams about death and serious illness. I have 'seen' into the future, when they say you can't do that I have picked up on the past_ back to the 1700's_ and had it verified (by a university professor/researcher.) There was a witness at the scene and I have had witnesses to my precognitive abilities through-out the years.

I have put all of these experiences on the forum, but got little response. It's like people are afraid or they don't believe it.

But I know there are many out there that have had paranormal experiences and know what I am talking about.

Sub....not on subject, but this has been bothering me. I may be 'not in the know' about current things some times, but what is that avatar, you have there? It is the strangest thing I've ever seen. It is so sad and pathetic looking, yet so cute. I really like it.

Its called stitch, from a disney cartoon.... He is a genetic experiment/alien........ So he is very appropriate for this site

i think we all gona die soon

How about you only post after your right

here, take these scissors *hands you scissors* run around with it

We were talking about magnetic fields bringing on these paranormal activities and experiences; I just found something new in this area that should be of interest.

It seems that magnetic fields don't have an influence according to these folks.

here

Touche Subb , *takes notes ... Subby is not scared to use own logic against me , must remember to kick him in shins when next in Australia



True but this would still be guessing , If I had 1 cubic centimeter of water in my hand theres a good chance that it weighs 1 gram , however for that to be entirely acurate it would have to be exactly 4 degree celcius in temperature. So I would have to look carefully at that individual cubic centimeter of water to be able to accurately claim that it weighs 1 gram.

In other words if people are to study para-normal events like Phen then they should definitely study each case accurately and individually and from a skeptic point of view . Hopefully then we will one day discover that all para-normal events have a reasonable answer as to why they occur .

Subby notes: Must remember to wear Shin guards when meeting Kismit....

I don't see how that affects what Shady said though He said if an encounter can provide a logical explanation, then that explanation should be considered more likely...he didn't say "assume" a logical explanation, and consider it more likely

True Sera but he did say the chances are . Don't get me wrong I'm not out to get any-one. I'm just trying to keep up the side for the believers who look at things skeptically .

In this article magnetic feilds are being questioned, but it dosen't flat- out say they don't have an influence.





Another article.

Actually snuffy, the hour of the deomon is 3:00am and if seraphina really wanted to find something, she would continue her exploration at this hour. surely you will come up with something there.

Really? So at that hour, what should I do, and what would I expect to see?

Okay I had to do it! After Sera's thrilling invo at local cemetary and then being told in another post, "the hour of the deomon is 3:00am" I went with baited breath to cemetary and caught this. The night was warm and still, no-one was smoking nearby and this, well I leave it up to you people to see for yourselves.. Quite astonishing!

He needs to get out in the sun a little more, hes very pale....

Wow! Lottie! You've turned me into a believer!

A response to the article on electro-magnetism not causing paranormal experience.

"Electro-magnetism Does Not Cause Paranormal Experiences"...David Rudiak...Dec.09/04

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There are other articles on the hitlist about this subject if anyone is interested.

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