The Sphinx was said to be built by survivors of Atlantis, many many theories have it that the lost city of Atlantis lies beneath the Sphinx's paws at Giza. Patterns of wathering on the Sphinx suggest that many parts of it were erdoded by water, but the area has been desert since before 3,000 bc... -D.K K.I.S.S Unexplained Series.... VERY INTERESTING!!!

A few years ago I was in Egypt for the 8th International Congress of Egyptologists and noticed a tomb about 100 ft from the sphinx with a small causeway cut into the bedrock which shows identical erosion patterns as the sphinx. This past summer I was excavating in the delta region and returned to Giza on one of my days off, specifically to grab more pictures of this trench. The trench undoubtedly belongs to the old kingdom tomb it is attached to and, as I said, has identical patterns of erosions as the sphinx. The conclusion is obvious. These patterns need not 10,000 years to take place. Both the tomb, and the sphinx, belong to the Old Kingdom. West and Schoch theories are dead in the water.

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I found it very interesting, I had not heard that before. Something to think about.

Yeah...I also find it interesting.
I really don't understand why some people waste their time being negative...All they have to do is go someplace else and comment about what they do find interesting ?
You don't need to agree with it...I'm sure Pete V doesn't...but it's interesting.
Vimjams

i dont think it was water that done cos if it did then the hole body would be gone if you get my point

but i did here that they took heat thermal satellite images was takng of the Sphinx and in its head or its feat that sort of area shows high temperature which could be gold and loads of special people have ask to drill the smallest hole in its head and put a micro cam in there but they will not let them cos it could fall apart.
sorry just thought i would share that fact with you lol.

1. Who said that The Sphinx was built by survivors from Atlantis? (and the egyptians did what? played scrabble? )

2. How could be the Atlantis beneath the Sphinx's paws at Giza when is supposed has sunk (beeing a continent somewhere between Europe or Africa and US)?

3. I don't find it very interesting but very unreal information.

4. This is just my opinion (pls don't yell ok? )

I am unaware that anyone has claimed that the Sphynx was built by Atlanteans, and the only theory concerning the Sphynx's paw is from Edgar Cayce, who said that they would find some scrolls from Atlantis underneath it. There are rumors concerning a room actually being detected there, but I have been unable to find any credible reference to it.

Incidentally, the thermal scan of the Sphynx were conducted to help determine the composition of the stone, which they did. There are three levels of hardness, the softest of which is showing signs of water breakdown from the rains over the years. It looks more dramatic than it should be, especially when compared to the harder limestone making up the heat (and having a greater heat signature). This is where many of the rumors that there was water erosion on the Sphynx came from. Yes, there is, but hardly enough to warrant an entire change in climate. In fact, had it bee a wetter climate, such as England's, the Sphynx could well have crumbled away entirely by now.

GRC

No1 knows where atlantis is at all.

Basically everyone and there dog has a theory about where atlantis is.

Oh boy...

i just read it was built or was helped built by civilians of Atlantis, i thought it was interesting.. But maybe it was just another theory or something, which im sure it was.. but it was in this article on the internet i read on the Sphinx!

http://members.tripod.com/~Ravenwoods/index-55Giza.html
http://www.labyrinthina.com/lightlanguage.htm

More on Hurtak's movie....

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archi...rames;read=3620

http://weburbanist.com/2007/09/12/underwat...s-of-the-world/



http://www.metafilter.com/tags/archaeology

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/egypt/a...ia-serapeum.htm


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http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bkh/rome/5-20-3.htm



http://www.let.leidenuniv.nl/saqqara/Saqqa...s/serapeum.html


http://members.tripod.com/~ib205/apis_5.html


More references to at least 2 Sphinx's

THe Mystery of the "SPHINX" There was Never Only One! Hidden Is,Is ?!???....

Talking about dogs....Robert Temple in his book 'The Sirius Mystery'....2nd edition...
puts forward his theory that the sphinx was actually a DOG....Anubis!

He also has ideas about the 'water erosion'.....the below quote was taken from

this site


QUOTE...(Temple)
If the Sphinx was sitting in a moat for much of its history over thousands of years, this could explain its significant water erosion. The winds on the plateau would have whipped up the water and caused a sloshing motion on countless occasions. This could have been rendered far more erosive by the fact that sand would have blown continually into the water and, in churning with the water, would have had a significant scouring effect on the stone. The moat would have had to be dredged frequently to clear it of the sand, and in the dredging process, great quantities of raised water would pour back down along the sides, not uniformly but at certain points. This corresponds with the observation that the subsurface weathering of the limestone floor of the sphinx pit is greater in some places than others. The fact that there is less sub surface weathering at the rear of the Sphinx could also be explained by the possibility that as the space there is narrow, drifting sand may have regularly accumulated in the water there more readily and to a greater depth, faster than in the more spread-out regions in other directions. It would have been a kind of sand-trap. And the effect would have been to insulate the limestone floor at that point from water action. It should be noted also that the head of the Sphinx is considerably less eroded than the body; the reason for this could be that it was never submerged in water. (If the 'ancient rain' theory were true, the head of the Sphinx would be eroded to the same extent as the body.)

END OF QUOTE....


And more....from same site..

QUOTE (Temple)
As I have already said, I do not subscribe to the 'Atlantis'-theory of a high civilization having existed 12,500 years ago. And I certainly do not believe we can invoke the weathering of the Sphinx to try to prove that the Sphinx dates from that time. I believe that the extraordinary things which happened on our planet occurred much more recently than that. It may be shocking to some people, but to me there is nothing unusual in postulating that an extraterrestrial visitation was responsible for kick-starting high civilization on Earth. It is not really unusual if you believe that the Universe must be filled with life, some of it intelligent. And I believe that that visitation to our planet came from the system of the star Sirius, as the ancient peoples as well as the Dogon have tried to tell us. And since the accounts are of aquatic beings from a watery planet there, it may well be that the reason why the Sphinx -- which I believe to have been a statue of Anubis -- was sitting in water, was because the visitors from the planet in the system of the star Sirius were amphibious. If the chambers said to have been discovered by geologists beneath the Sphinx are filled with water, this may be no accident. If it be true that they are filled with indications or records of some kind, as many enthusiasts of the 'Hall of Records' idea believe (a suggestion made in this book in 1976,by the way), it would make sense that aquatic beings would prefer to leave some traces of that kind in watery chambers rather than in dry ones. And the moat around the Sphinx might then be seen as a simple but brilliant protection device, since only with diving suits could tomb-robbers hope to break in and steal anything preserved in water-filled chambers beneath the Sphinx moat. These chambers, on the other hand, could readily be entered by amphibians. So I put forward the possibility that this was all done by design.

END OF QUOTE

Anubis....moats....aquatic beings/amphibians....Sirius star system???

Now...this floats MY boat....regarding interesting speculation...

How old would you say they were then????

Anubis is no dog! Call him a dog in front of a Egiptian and you will have lots of troubles.

QUOTE...(Temple)

(My emphasis.)



Bee,

"Speculation" is a kind description of the crap being sold at Temple's site.

You would think that any person that wanted to publish even the most untruthful line of bull about the Sphinx would at the very least take a look at the work that has been done there - especially when the work that was done was done by the scientist one intends to embellish on.

See the above bolded text from your quote? Even a cursory glance at Schoch's "Re-Dating the Great Sphinx of Giza" - the original paper he published about erosion on the Sphinx (I believe that was the title) - would show to any reader that the subsurface weathering Schoch found there is caused by exposure to air, not water!

See?:

(My emphases.)
From: Comments (on the Sphinx geology) By Robert Schoch.

Temple is an ignorant idiot. He won't even lift a finger to try and find out the facts of the matter, preferring, apparently, to make these things up as he goes along.

Not that I agree with Schoch, but even Schoch has never placed the carving of the Sphinx in the "Atlantian" era. His best guess is sometime between 4000 to 6000 BCE.

Harte

It is laughable for to describe Robert Temple as an ignorant idiot.
And I wonder why you would do that?

From the sleeve on his book 'The Sirius Mystery'.....

"Robert Temple is the author of nine books which have been translated into 43 languages.
He was associated with the late Joseph Needham of Cambridge University in the field of the
history of Chinese science and wrote the authorised popularisation of Needham's research,
The Genius of China........It's Chinese edition was translated by a team of 34 specialists
under the auspices of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and has been recommended to the
nation's school children.

Temple's verse translation of the Epic of Gilgamesh, He Who Saw Everything, published
in 1991, was performed at the Royal Nationl Theatre in 1993.

Temple is a Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society and a member of many scholarly societies
............He has a degree in Sanskrit and Oriental Studies.............Temple has published several
scholarly articles about the zoological works of Aristotle including an outline reconstruction from
fragments of Aristotle's lost Major work, Dissections............"

There is more... but this is enough for here.....

He himself says in 'The Sirius Mystery'....2nd edition...hardback...page 30...

"I think we could adopt an unbreakable rule:anyone who insists that what he says is true
is a phoney. The only people to whom one should ever listen are those who suggest things
tentatively, as possibly true."

and

"I want to stress that everything in this book is hypothetical. I have never insisted on the truth
any of it."


I will quote more of what Temple as to say about the Sphinx/Anubis in another post....this one was
to back up the possible merits of the quotes I used a bit earlier in this thread.....

There's no way I'm going to let you get away with calling Temple an 'ignorant idiot'.....

Here is more on what Robert Temple has to say about the Sphinx.....

1998...revised edition...hardback...page 11...

"I cannot see any leonine features in the body of the Sphinx, unless one were to say
that because it has four legs and four paws and a tail, it must be a lion.

There is no mane. There are no prominent muscles in the chest above the front legs,
as are often shown in statues of lions. The tail does not have the tuft at the end which lions
have. But most telling of all, the rear haunches do not rise up above the level of the back,
bulging and prominent. The back of the Sphinx's body is straight. But if you look at an
Egyptian hieroglyph of the letter 'r' you see a lion's crouching body in profile and realize
that lions were portrayed in Egypt with huge rear haunches rising well above the line of the
back.

We all say the Sphinx is a lion because we have been told it is a lion............We have
all accepted secondhand information without checking it's validity.........

It looks more like a dog's body! Representations of the god Anubis, who was portrayed
as a canine - probably not actually a jackal (although he is often called a jackal) but is more
probably a dog (from whom the modern Pharaoh Hound is thought to be partially descended)
- show a crouching animal the line of whose back is more or less straight, like that of the
Sphinx. And it's tail often curls round in the same way as that of the Sphinx, and it has no
tuft on the end. Further more it has no mane and no muscled chest.

To me it makes more sense to suggest that the Sphinx was Anubis, and that originally he
was guarding the sacred precinct of the Pyramids at Giza."


Now...Robert Temple isn't claiming that he is 'right'. I'm not claiming that he is 'right'.
But do you know what?.....He very well could be! I think it is a most interesting suggestion.

It's interesting how the pic. below looks very much like the sphinx, except for the head.

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Thanks for the picture Tom R........

You're very welcome Bee!

I think by looking at the picture below makes robert temple's theory quite plausible.

I, too, think that it's plausible...(now there's a surprise...! )


Just another Temple snippit....

The Sirius Mystery...revised edition..hardback...page 12...

" I believe it is inevitably the case that the pyramid complex at Giza has symbolic celestial
importance. And if this be so, then the guardian of the complex should be the Egyptian
Guardian par excellence - Anubis."

Concidering that the god anubis is a guide for the recently departed as well as a guardian of the dead!
It seems more accurate that the sphinx head could have very well been the head of a jackal "Anubis".

Which it seems that this monument would be better suited to be anubis guarding the great pyramids,
which are in fact burial chambers for the kings of egypt.

I've heard it proposed that the pyramids are a representation of Orions Belt with the Nile river representing the Milkyway as it appeared over Egypt in the year 10500BC. And I believe they have evidence to back this up, but one can always cry coincidence I guess. From what I've seen and read, I believe they have celestial importance.

Imagine how easy it would be for those ears to get snapped off!!!




Temple has some very interesting ideas about the pyramids, their measurements etc...but this
is a thread about the Sphinx.....

...These particular ideas of Robert Temple weren't in the original 1976 edition....(sphinx/Anubis)
which is when I first came across his work. So when I got the revised edition....
I was....whoah...this just gets better!....and more facinating.

But just because there are three pyramids and three stars in Orion's belt doesn't mean there's a connection: the distance between them aren't proportional nor the are sizes of the pyramids proportional.

...and that's leaving out the fact that several thousand years ago, the relative position of those stars would have been different in the sky.

--Jaylemurph

the ideas/proposals you mention above are certainly to be considered as exciting possibilities.....

I read somewhere that Under the Sphinx's Left paw, Is a room filled with documents on early civilization and Atlantis.

Think it was the history channel...
Anyways, It was put there Because 3 ships escaped, The destruction of Atlantis, one went to Egypt, one Went to The Mayans in America and the 3rd Ship was unable to escape the destruction and was destroyed.

Bee,

I showed you precisely why he's an idiot in my last post.

He's droning on about Schoch and his theory without ever even having read what Schoch actually said he found at the Sphinx enclosure.

Well, maybe he did read Schoch. If so, either he's too stupid to understand what he read or he's decided to lie about it to make money from people like you.

Hey, wait a minute!

Hmmm. Okay. You've shown me the light. He's not an idiot. He's an ignorant con man.

I must say though that at least concerning the Sphinx, he looks far less ignorant than he did when he published "The Sirius Mystery."

Look, here's a quote from "The Sirius Mystery":


Egyptians believed no such thing. Their "heaven" was the Fields of Aaru.

Source - Wiki

Now, I'm not saying Sirius (Sothis) wasn't important to the AE's, it was. But what I am saying is that here's yet another example of Temple making it up as he goes along, with no regard for, and no attempt to find out about, the actual Egyptian belief.

No, I think I'll take Jim Oberg and Isaac Azimov at their word concerning Temple:


Also:

Well, you may note with relief that Oberg didn't call Temple an idiot, as I did, but only ignorant (which I also did.)

regarding Azimov:

Misuse and mischaracterization of another persons' statements in a naked attempt to falsely use that person as a promotional tool so you can sell more books.

Hmmm. Looks like you were right, Bee. Temple talks like a con man. We now see he has the methods of a con man. So....
All Oberg quotes above are from: The Sirius Mystery by James Oberg

Anyway, more on this Azimov thing:

Source: Skeptical Inquirer Magazine, Fall 1978
Both that article and the Oberg article (which is quite long and way too thorough I'm sure for Temple's tastes) are well worth the read. Of course, I'm not expecting many here to do so. Might have to give up a favorite fantasy or something.

So, I'm in the company of Oberg and Azimov in my position on the ripoff artist Temple.

I think I'm in good company. You will, of course, think whatever you want.

Harte

Umm....this may sound dumb. But, Crystal Sage, are those real pics because they look so real! And awesome. And yeah...... PLEASE answer! Thanks!

Well I always reference the sites I obtain my info from... I think they are awesome too!!!

I've actually got the Sirius book and his book on The Crystal Sun... on ancient prehistoric lenses...

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialrepo...crystalsun.html
http://www.robert-temple.com/main.html
I thought it was well researched... and believable... logical...

It has been widely accepted for many centuries that the Sphinx is a human face atop a lion's body. This ties in nicely with Bauval and Hancock's ideas of a global community around 10,500BCE, as at this time the sun would have appeared in the east (the direction the Sphinx faces) in the constellation of Leo, the Lion. However, it should be noted that though Hancock subscribes to an earlier than accepted date for the Sphinx's building, Bauval merely speculates that it could have been designed around 10,500BCE, and not built until around 2500BCE, which is a far more acceptable date to most Egyptologists.


And of course if it was built at the time of the sun being in Leo, then it makes perfect sense for it to be modelled on a lion. But, despite the lion's reputation in our times as the king of the jungle, it will have been noted by even the stubbornest of archaeologists that there is no jungle, and indeed no indigenous lion population in Egypt, and that there is no particular reason why the lion should have been venerated to any especial degree in ancient times.


There are lion-like deities in the Ancient Egyptian pantheon, but these are to the best of my knowledge all female (making the Sphinx's Arabic name something of a misnomer!), and not of the kind of temperament that one would normally associate with a guardian. In her fierce form of Pasht, the cat goddess Bast is sometimes depicted as a lion, but the more familiar form of a lion is given to Sekhmet, the fearsome warrior daughter of the sun god Re who slaughters men to drink their blood, and to appease whom the custom began of sacrificing a member of the family over the crop fields at the time of sowing to ensure a bountiful harvest, free from Sekhmet's fierce and crop-withering gaze.


Now it doesn't take much imagination to see that such fierce cats would make singularly poor guardians of the dead. And who ever heard of a 'guard cat' anyway? It seems more logical to us now, and no doubt would also have done to the Egyptians of the past, to use a tamer, more passive animal to protect the bodies of their dead. Yes, you guessed it, a guard dog.


Now who out of the Egyptian deities best typifies this notion of a guard dog? Why, it's our old friend Anubis, jackal-headed god of mummification and the Underworld. In a move bound to upset the fragile balance of Egyptology even further, Alan Alford - fresh from distressing Biblical scholars - wrote a further tome in which he proclaimed the all too evident concept that the Sphinx is a representation of Anubis.


Let's just refresh our memories a bit here: Anubis the god of burial sites, the guardian of the Underworld, the vital link between the soul of the dead man and his eternal life in the realm of the dead, the god who sacrificed himself so that the slain and dismembered Osiris could be reborn as King of the Dead. Anubis who is most often to be found (in statuary) lying on his belly staring forwards into the middle distance! D'oh!


Anubis can be seen as the most important of the Egyptian deities. Re rose and fell out of favour with new developments in religion, Osiris and Isis became part of a holy family and were honoured by all for a time, but the one constant figure to whom all Egyptians looked at the point of their death was Anubis. For a society obsessed more with the life to come than the present life, being able to pass through the trials of death was vital, and as the guardian of the gates of the Underworld, Anubis was responsible for leading the dead man into the hall of Ma'at to receive divine judgement. He is seen in many temple inscriptions aiding Thoth and Ma'at in the Ceremony of the Weighing of the Heart, in which the dead man's purity of soul was tested.


If there is one certain thing in life, it is death - and at the point of death, Anubis was the guy you wanted on your side! Who better then to look after the many dead souls in the necropolis beneath the Pyramids? Anubis really is the best dog for the job! It is said that he was the son of the priestess/goddess Erishkigal in Ancient Mesopotamia, but since the Mesopotamian theocracy and priesthood were solely for women, he sought his fame elsewhere. He settled in Egypt, and quickly established himself as a vital link between the living and the dead, knowing as he did the secrets of mummification and rituals for the preservation of dead tissue.


In Egypt, this Cult of the Dead rose to pre-eminence early and maintained its hold over the popular imagination for centuries. The part he played in the mythical cycle of Osiris made him the ultimate protector and faithful servant of all those who are pure of heart; the perfect symbol of justice and honourable defence. It is said that Anubis even shed his own skin to wrap around the dismembered parts of Osiris to bring him back to life, thus sacrificing his own life for his King. For his loyalty he was rewarded with deification himself.


Anubis is not strictly speaking a dog, but nor is he really a jackal, though he is most often referred to as the jackal-headed god because of portrayals of him in ancient statuary and sacred texts. It is truer to say that it was the semi-wild dogs of Ancient Egypt that provided his birth as an Egyptian totemic deity. These dogs are certainly related to the jackal, but are not entirely the same species. Jackals are not particularly renowned for their care for humanity, but the dog, the domesticated form of proto-jackal and semi-wild dogs, certainly is. Anubis' position as divine guard dog becomes more established the more you look into this.


For the Sphinx to be a representation of Anubis certainly makes more cultural sense for Egypt, because of his role with protection and guidance after death, and because of his importance in the divine hierarchy. Lions, when they appear in Egyptian cultural references, tend to be a dualistic concept, and it must be said that there is no evidence of a second Sphinx being built on the Giza site to such a grand scale, something we would expect if it was supposed to be a lion. There are many sphinxes in Ancient Egyptian statuary, and almost always they will be found in pairs, lining the causeway to a temple, e.g. Karnak (ram-headed sphinxes).


If we return to the notion of a stellar cult, it will be remembered that the assumption of the Sphinx being a lion fits in well with the idea of an 11th millennium BCE culture, because of the rising sun in Leo. So if we now assume that the Sphinx is Anubis, how does this fit into the astrological scene?


As well as their obsession with death and the afterlife, the Egyptians were on a more practical level entirely dependent on the annual flooding of the Nile, without which the water could not reach the fields and crops could not grow nor animals be able to graze and fatten. It is perhaps telling in the light of all this 'doggie' talk that the Ancient Egyptians used the rising of one particular star to mark the point in the year when they knew the Nile was about to rise and provide sustenance for the land. And the modern name of that star? Of course, it is Sirius, the 'Dog Star'!


And when you consider also that the start of the Egyptian year was the period knows as Thoth, the association with Anubis and the Cult of the Dead becomes even more unavoidable. The astrological significance of the Nile floods, the rising of Sirius, and the complex divine hierarchy which developed in Ancient Egypt largely dictated the placement of towns along the river, many of which became cult centres to the worship of various animal totems. Whilst each centre might have its special figure - the Apis bulls, the cats of Bubastis etc - the presiding animal god was always Anubis.


Death and life were seen as intrinsically linked to the Ancient Egyptians, and Anubis' role - the part he played in the Osirian mythology, and his own part in the Thoth/Ma'at triumvirate - was that of the way to life through death.


So could the Sphinx at Giza really be Anubis? It gazes east into the rising sun, symbol of renewed light/life after the darkness of night/death; it supervises a vast necropolis; and protects the Pyramids, the ultimate symbols of Pharaonic power. Perhaps that 'pagan smile' the Mameluke lord wanted to destroy was really a long, dog-like muzzle, the last remaining evidence of Ancient Egypt's animalistic deism.

Link- The Sphinx

hmmm ok so you got Anubis guarding the dead and facing the sunrise at a time when there was no dead to guard and when the sun only rises directly east on one day of the year. you may want to look up "summer solstice" at this point before you go any further with that

also Leo wasn't seen as a lion by the AE and there is no evidence that they even knew what a zodiac was until the hellenistic period, so you've wasted your time typing out all that unfounded speculation haven't you

You're attempt to claim a link with Sirius is a little tenuous as well as it wasn't until the greek period that it got that name
you did the same trying to rehash Graham Hancocks now totally debunked theory by linking Leo with a lion because that wasn't until the greek period either

btw No credible egyptologist accepts anything that Bauval and Hancock have come up with, where are you getting these ideas from ?

still

keep up the err good work

From what I know of the egyptians their pharoh was the living representation of god on earth. So maybe one of rlairds of the manor had the sphinx carved so he could be portrayed as an ACTUAL GOD, sorta like a self promotion. And it could be annubis.

ok so if its Anubis why did the Ancient Egyptians call it Harmakhis, and place a Tablet between its front paws with that name on it three times


http://www.themystica.com/mythical-folk/ar.../harmakhis.html

This statement is rather vague....so do YOU think that the Sphinx may be Anubis.?
YOU...not someone from a skeptic's reference web site...



You have at least got that right!

I see you have added a couple more insults about Temple. Sadly for you name calling is not a
very effective form of debate.....It tends to say more about the 'name-caller' than the
target......but, on the possitive side...it can generate more exposure of the subject at hand..

Robert Temple is no stranger to vitriolic attack....and more...

This following quote...may seem a bit off topic....but it isn't because it illustrates what can happen
to people who stray into certain areas that could contain (or lead to) knowledge that some 'groups'
etc...for reasons best known to themselves...would rather doesn't get into the public arena.
Temples ideas/studies about Sirius (and the Sphinx??)...besides being of interest to millions of
people across the world....has had it's down-side for him.....as he relates in 'The Sirius Mystery'
revised edition.....

QUOTE...
"But the sad part of the aftermath of The Sirius Mystery was the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones. Since I am myself an American by origin, I found this insulting and distressing. On several occasions I was targeted in ways so extreme that they seemed hysterical beyond all belief. I am certain that false information was entered into my security files to blacken my reputation. I was blackballed even in some organizations which seem to me so harmless that I still can't understand it. To give an example, I was co-editing a magazine at one time and decided to join the Foreign Press Association in London so that I could have lunch there and get a press pass. I was told I needed two members to recommend me, and was given the names of two American journalists in London who should be happy to do so. So I asked Bonnie Angelo of Time-Life, and she was delighted. (I later wrote for her London bureau for several years and did British science reporting for Discover magazine.) I then went to another man who was equally friendly and he said he would, and signed my form. That particular man, whom I do not wish to identify, had certain connections in Washington, if you take my meaning. A few hours later, Catherine Postlethwaite, the Secretary of the FPA, told me she had a hysterical phone call from a man insisting that he wanted to use his blackball against me and stop me from joining the FPA. She was completely astonished and said to him he had just signed my form and now on the same day he was trying to blackball me, and how could he possibly explain that? He refused to explain, but was relentlessly insistent. She and the Council took the view in the end that the man was acting unreasonably, for whatever motives, and they overruled his blackball. But I recognized a pattern of behavior which has assailed me on many occasions. There was another time, for instance, when I had commenced what was meant to be a profitable association with a man I knew to make several series of corporate videos, with me as writer and co-producer and his company providing the finance and facilities. We made one video and suddenly everything stopped mysteriously. After some time he told me: 'I really wanted to do these projects with you, but I can't, and even though I am not supposed to tell you, I felt that I owed you an explanation. The fact is that I have had the CIA from America on the phone to me practically every day for the past three weeks harassing me and telling me I must not work with you, and as much as I like you, my life isn't worth living with this kind of continual pressure and interruption of my work every day by hysterical American officials. So that is the reason, and the only reason, why I am withdrawing from our projects together.' I thanked him for being so honest with me.

Several other people were as well. Indeed, one old fellow I was friendly with, a retired Brigadier Shelford Bidwell, actually told me that he had been asked to read The Sirius Mystery and write a thorough report on it for the British security services. He had found it rather difficult because it was not his kind of subject! He hadn't meant to tell me this, but he slipped up when chatting over tea and said by way of being pleasant how interesting The Sirius Mystery was. When I expressed astonishment that he had read something so far from all his other interests, he first said that he had read every word meticulously, as if that explained everything. When I protested that this was quite unbelievable, he had to explain why he had done so. He was so sheepish and embarrassed that I spared him further questioning so that he wouldn't have to spend the rest of his life with a security breach on his conscience. Another old friend, whom I had known when he was a policeman in a panda car and who is now a famous police commissioner, said he had been approached by MI5 to do a security report on me. He had found it disturbing that there was such suspicion attached to me, and he couldn't explain it, since he wasn't given an explanation himself. He tried to tell them there was nothing at all suspicious about me and that he knew me well, and he wrote up everything he could find about me trying to demonstrate that I was harmless. But they didn't seem to want to be told that and were obviously unsatisfied, which disturbed him even more.

This prosecution went on for more than fifteen years. It cost me income, career opportunities, advancements, and friends. I often wonder about it, especially the frenzied aspects of it. Why were so many people in high places foaming at the mouth in such an uncontrollable manner? Just what was it that I had done? I have never known."

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Why would security agencies....be so interested in Robert Temple and his work?

who's word are you taking that they are ?

thats like believing there is a world wide conspiracy amongst archaeologists to hide the truth about mankinds history because a pseudo history author says so and its not because he needs his readers to believe it otherwise his work looks like the crap it is


I can tell you that Brigadier Shelford Bidwell never worked for the security services in any advisory capacity seeing as by the time the sirius mystery came out in 1978 he was 65 years old so must have been some years older at the time that Temple claimed he said that and he has since died so the story can't be checked

He was an officer serving in Burma during WW2 and the security services usually ask specialists to advise them.

the Sirius mystery had been completely debunked before Temple even published anyway when later anthropologists after Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen got to know tribal chiefs and found that they'd never even heard of Sirius
and didn't have any mysterious information unknown to science about any stellar object at all

Phillip Coppens has all the details

http://www.philipcoppens.com/dogonshame.html

what you're doing Bee is saying it must be true because someone who made money from the general publics ignorance says so and then backing it up by posting the claims of the same person

thats bad practice and you can do better

You seem to know a lot about this!!



So....you are calling Temple a liar? Now...who do I believe....you or Robert Temple? Mmmmmm...guess who?

Making money from the general public's ignorance? This is classic sceptic debunking...we've seen it all before..



Good enough to get a response from you though wasn't it?


But...to stay on topic.....I have always thought that it was strange the way the sphinx's head was too
small for it's body.....I, like everyone else thought that the sphinx was supposed to be a lion....it was a
complete surprise to CONSIDER that it may be Anubis. But consider it I do.

ok so lets see

theres no evidence that anything Temple says was the truth and lots that it wasn't,
theres no evidence that the Sphinx was Anubis and lots that it wasn't

so far you're two for two
wanna talk about the Annunaki now ?

You're quite an obnoxious one aren't you, and a bit redundant with the way you express you're thoughts as well! lol

Anyway, the stories out of ancient egypt are nothing but mythological concepts from the begining.
How is any of these myths any better than the new theories being given?

how is proving that the Ancient Egyptians didn't call the sphinx Anubis "a bit redundant"

and thanks for the description

coming from you thats quite a compliment

I will give you that! I suppose there really isn't much evidence to prove any of these theories.

Personaly! I try to keep an open mind. But, I really don't see these theories ever becoming anything
other than what they are.


I was only using the word obnoxious due to the way you were expressing you're thoughts! Which,
seemed a bit snide IMO. I am sorry maybe that was a little harsh. You are quite informed, (It seems,)
when it comes to this subject.


Regards,
Tom

Has anyone ever noticed that "Atlantis" has become sort of the same as "Smurf"? When people see something they want to lend a certain amount of mystery to, they just connect it to the legend of Atlantis ...

Mcr13,

Crystal's pics are real enough, but they don't represent what's been claimed in this thread.

They are lotus bulbs, not light bulbs. This is not an opinion, the pics come with writing that nobody ever mentions. The hieroglyphs are like captions, they tell the viewer what he's looking at.

Also, the temple where these are located was built by the Ptolemaic Egyptians. That means they were Greek, if you didn't know. The temple dates to a time after Egypt was conquered by Alexander the Great. He installed the Greek government there. They built the temple.

If you want, I'll post (once again) more info on this.



Kerkinana,

I welcome you to U-M with the relief of knowing that there is now another reasonable person posting here.

There are a few of us, but we are still waaay outnumbered.

Just wanted to say that the poster Tom R didn't "type" any of that. He pasted it here from another website. At least he linked to it, but I would prefer that he use the "quote" function so it doesn't smell so plagairistic.

Anyway, the quote came from the website of a person calling herself "Louisianax."

She claims to be "Swindon's very own ballroom dancing biker vampire poet!"

So, obviously it must be a reputable source!

Well, at least it's a source. So few people here provide them that even Louisianax is better than nothing!


I doubt it's Anubis. But I admit it doesn't look very leonine either.

So, I'm open to the Sphinx being something besides a lion. As far as I know, if the sphinx is not a lion, it must be older than the ancient Egyptians since it's been referred to as a lion by the earliest reference to it we have.

If the AE's thought it was a lion, and they were wrong, then it's extremely unlikely that it is Anubis because they knew Anubis and they didn't call it Anubis.

As far as I know, Anubis doesn't predate the predynastic Egyptians, but somebody please correct me if I'm wrong here.



I admit I called him an idiot. But I provided the evidence to back that claim up. So, it's not "name calling" when it's the correct term. Unless, that is, one simply refuses to consider that he is an idiot, regardless of the amount of insanely erroneous crap he continues to spew. And regardless of how many times the errors are pointed out to you.

"Ignorant" is not a pejorative term, so I assume you don't think that my calling him "ignorant," which he obviously is, equates to "name calling."


I have no doubt that this is true. But I do believe he gets less vitriol than he actually deserves.

But it doesn't matter. I mean, you're free to decide to give your money to thieves if you want. Previously you could say he'd fooled you. Now you can only say "I'm too stubborn and full of myself to admit that Temple ripped me off, so I'm gonna keep supporting him because if I don't I'll have to admit that he fooled me."

Cut off your nose to spite your face kind of stuff. But it is your stuff, so by all means continue to do it if you want.



You would be as well informed yourself, Bee, if you would use the search feature.

The Coppens article she mentioned has been posted here at U-M at least twice before that I've seen (and I haven't been here all that long) and it's been linked to more often that that.

Harte

I just wanted to throw out there that I don't think bee is full of herself. I might be inclined to say she has a higher level of sustained suspension of disbelief than I do, but that's only my opinion of my interpretation of facts, basically...

However, I quite agree with Harte that Temple is at best a liar and at worst conniving thief.

--Jaylemurph

It soooo makes me want to dig up my old copy of his book and reread it!!!!

...Now I'm off to search for it!!!!!

I just don't understand the fuss... the Scientologists have a similar belief do they not.. with their Thetans ....???

Do they get black balled???

Well, the scientologists are trying to be /religion/ and not history, and anyway, they're a whole other level of crazy. Not even Temple stalks people and extorts thems.


But to keep this in perspective: real historians and scientists can't even be bothered to discuss his works (or Sitchin's or van Daniken's) in a professional context, so they're not "foaming at the mouth" over him.

--Jaylemurph