When francos fascist soldiers, attacked spain in July of 1936 with the
goal of overthrowing the newly founded and unstable republic, the spanish
people responded by revolting.Resulting in a revolution that created a
state of proletarian socialism different from any other revolution in
history.Almost instaneously, working class people took control of factories
and military installments, land was collectivized; and sorts of "militias"
were formed.
When fascism emerged triumphant in Spain in 1939,
many Spanish revolutionaries sought asylum in the United States.
Now almost 60 years later, the united states has declared war on the people of
the middle east. Why? Because the united states is planning on controlling all of the worlds
oil. Citing there resources (remember theres barely enough oil being ran through the alaskan
pipeline to keep it from rusting) there are over 400 different major oil sites in the united
states, yet more then 90% of these are left to sit and ferment.
This is a real conspiracy in the American government, before Bush took office he already had
plans in place to "Establish americas place as a world power in the 21st century"
Now, after 9/11 civil libertys are being stripped away from the common people quicker than you
can imagine. Bush is using 9/11 as an excuse to kill innocent people, and the equation "10 gallons of
blood=4 barrels of oil" is all to true. As you pump your gas tank full, remember that somewhere
far away people are dieing for your life to be more comfortable.
1000 americans troops are dead, and 20000 civilians. Bush granted permission to use "daisy" bombs
the largest non nuclear bomb in the world, in areas with over 7000 civilians.
Help get this moron out of office today, register at Punkvoter.org, and vote for a third party.
This isnt anyone but bush, its the best choice.
-Jordan Couch
Full Version: Who will you vote for?
I'm hoping that perhaps for the 2008 election their might be a third party emerge with the clout to take on the Dems and Reps. Their are leaders out there that people can respect completely, you just have to find them.
As for this election Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum.
Unfortuantely no third party has shown any unifying force this year.
As for this election Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum.
Unfortuantely no third party has shown any unifying force this year.
Come off it.
We didn't go to Iraq for oil.
Of course Neither you nor i can prove it either way. Stop trying to convince people other wise. Whoever is voting for Bush, Kerry or Nader has already made up there minds.
Those who havent decided will go with an Independent, not vote or go with the Devil they know.
By the way im voting for Bush. And you know what i dont care what he has or has not done im voting for him...not because i was raised a certain way just because his personal beliefs and what he's done so far in office coincide with my own beliefs...however when he does something i disapprove of ill be the first to call it..but so far im satisfied.
We didn't go to Iraq for oil.
Of course Neither you nor i can prove it either way. Stop trying to convince people other wise. Whoever is voting for Bush, Kerry or Nader has already made up there minds.
Those who havent decided will go with an Independent, not vote or go with the Devil they know.
By the way im voting for Bush. And you know what i dont care what he has or has not done im voting for him...not because i was raised a certain way just because his personal beliefs and what he's done so far in office coincide with my own beliefs...however when he does something i disapprove of ill be the first to call it..but so far im satisfied.
right, iraq had nothing to do with oil.
I believe that the day I believe glamboy was straight.
and he wasnt.
-49 reasons to hate bush jr.
1. The national debt under Bush Jr. has increased so drastically that the average American's estimated share of national debt will be an astronomial $24,000-compared to $500 when Dubya first took office.
2. Under Bush Jr. there are now 43 million Americans with no health insurance.
3. Resonponsible for an unemploymentrate of 6%. There are now 9 million people out of work in America-3.3 million more than when Bush took office.
4. He cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
5. Bush Jr. deserted his unit during Vietnam and was reportedly AWOL for over a year from his assigned unit: the Texas Air National Guard, or as it's referred to by other military outfits: the "Champagne Division."
6. Despite a 13% unemployment rate among those aged 16-24, Bush Jr. proposed to eliminate youth opportunity grants-a program that provides job training to the nation's youth. A $225 million program in 2002 is now being done away with so Bush can have more money for Iraq.
7. He cut funding for 375,000 low income college students and reduced Pell Grnat amounts to such a severe degree that it effectively caused 84,000 students to no longer be eligiblefor Pell Grants. Pell amounts have been overall readuced for 1.5 million students...it's safe to say that the Bush daughters aren't eligible for financial aid, so this won't affect the oppulent lives of anyone Bush Jr. knows.
8. Withdrew from the international criminal court.
9. First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections.)
10. All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for mose corporate campaign donations.
11. The Bush administration had twice as many FBI agents fighting the drug war than fighting terrorism prior to 9/11. Even after 9/11, more than 2,000 FBI agents are wasting their valuable time assigned to the war on drugs.
12. His proposed "Free Trade" agreements would result in the loss of U.S. jobs to foreign markets and the exploitation of third world workers.
13. John Ashcroft.
14. He has taken 11 official executive actions to undermine reproductive rights...how long will it be before a woman is stripped of her right to choose?
15. Failed to fulfill pledge to get Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive."
16. Wasted federal resources on a PR trip to Baghdad where he staged a Thanksgiving meal at 6am with troops that were screened based on their political affiliation. And the turkey? It was a prop.
17. His refusal to fire-or even reprimand-Lt. General Jerry "Our God is Bigger than Your God" Boykin. Perhaps it's because Boykin said of the president, "George Bush was not elected by a majority of voters in the United States. He was appointed by God. He's in the White House because God put him there."
18. After sending troops off to die in an unjust and unprovoked war, he still has yet to attend any soldiers' funeral.
19. His shameless nepotism for the rich and powerful. Elizabeth Cheney (daughter of Ol' Dick) got hooked up with a cool gig at the state department where she was in charge of the $129 million Middle East Partnership Initiative and then was moved over to Daddy and Uncle Dubya's campaign payroll.
20. He dropped his dog on its head.
21. Bush Jr. is the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
22. Bush Jr. has set an all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest a leader (10 million people,) shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.
23. He slashed funding to the violence against women act.
24. He has invaded and occupied two countries at the continuing cost of one billion dollars per week.
25. He has appointed Charles Pickering, a notorious segregationist from Mississippi, as a federal judge and suspiciously did so on Martin Luther King Day.
26. Bush has spent over $100 billion on Iraq, leaving states to face the largest budget crisis in decades and forced to cut off public services; now with the federal deficit at a new high Bush Jr. wants to award more tax breaks to the wealthy.
27. Uner new Bush legislation (the Clear Skies Initiative,) power plants are allowed to emit triple the amount of highly-toxic mercury into the environment.
28. Bush Jr. failed to protect 3 million acres of the Tongass National Forest from logging. The Tongass has the highest concentration of bald eagles on Earth and has already lost 700 square miles to logging with 33 more logging permits pending. Not even the sanctity of our endangered national bird can compete with Bush campaign contributions provided by the forest industry.
29. He is on pace to have taken more vacation than any president in history, including a 28-day vacation right before 9/11. Bush Jr. has taken 6 months of vacation in total...do you know anyone who gets 6 months of vacation?
30. He pulled out of the Kyoto Agreement on global warming, which had been agreed upon by 178 other countries.
31. Bush Jr. is endorsed by fundamentalist Pat Robertson who claims that God told him Bush will win re-election and that "It doesn't make a difference what Bush does because God is blessing him." Bush keeps some great company, but keep in mind Robertson was also the nitwit that blamed the 9/11 attacks on gays and suggested that we "nuke" the U.S. State Department.
32. He set the record for most executions by any governor in American history. 152 in total; some of whom were mentally disabled.
33. Has repeatedly stonewalled the public investigation into 9/11.
34. Bush Jr. failed to fully fund the AIDS Initiative after promising to do so. The fianl cuts that resulted were over $2 billion.
35. He still suggests that homosexuals are "sinners" and is pushing legislation that would forbid gay partnerships and deny fundamental civil rights on a national and local level.
36. Choked on a pretzel and nearly lost his life while seated in front of a TV.
37. Bush Jr. has gone to great lengths to prevent investigations of his friends at Enron and Halliburton. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
38. Bush Jr. has set the record for the fewest amount of press conferences by a president since the advent of television.
39. Responsible for a $521 billion budget deficit-less than 4 years after inheriting a $200 billion surplus.
40. He has made repeated attempts to legalize oil drilling in the National Wildlife Refuge.
I believe that the day I believe glamboy was straight.
and he wasnt.
-49 reasons to hate bush jr.
1. The national debt under Bush Jr. has increased so drastically that the average American's estimated share of national debt will be an astronomial $24,000-compared to $500 when Dubya first took office.
2. Under Bush Jr. there are now 43 million Americans with no health insurance.
3. Resonponsible for an unemploymentrate of 6%. There are now 9 million people out of work in America-3.3 million more than when Bush took office.
4. He cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
5. Bush Jr. deserted his unit during Vietnam and was reportedly AWOL for over a year from his assigned unit: the Texas Air National Guard, or as it's referred to by other military outfits: the "Champagne Division."
6. Despite a 13% unemployment rate among those aged 16-24, Bush Jr. proposed to eliminate youth opportunity grants-a program that provides job training to the nation's youth. A $225 million program in 2002 is now being done away with so Bush can have more money for Iraq.
7. He cut funding for 375,000 low income college students and reduced Pell Grnat amounts to such a severe degree that it effectively caused 84,000 students to no longer be eligiblefor Pell Grants. Pell amounts have been overall readuced for 1.5 million students...it's safe to say that the Bush daughters aren't eligible for financial aid, so this won't affect the oppulent lives of anyone Bush Jr. knows.
8. Withdrew from the international criminal court.
9. First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections.)
10. All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for mose corporate campaign donations.
11. The Bush administration had twice as many FBI agents fighting the drug war than fighting terrorism prior to 9/11. Even after 9/11, more than 2,000 FBI agents are wasting their valuable time assigned to the war on drugs.
12. His proposed "Free Trade" agreements would result in the loss of U.S. jobs to foreign markets and the exploitation of third world workers.
13. John Ashcroft.
14. He has taken 11 official executive actions to undermine reproductive rights...how long will it be before a woman is stripped of her right to choose?
15. Failed to fulfill pledge to get Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive."
16. Wasted federal resources on a PR trip to Baghdad where he staged a Thanksgiving meal at 6am with troops that were screened based on their political affiliation. And the turkey? It was a prop.
17. His refusal to fire-or even reprimand-Lt. General Jerry "Our God is Bigger than Your God" Boykin. Perhaps it's because Boykin said of the president, "George Bush was not elected by a majority of voters in the United States. He was appointed by God. He's in the White House because God put him there."
18. After sending troops off to die in an unjust and unprovoked war, he still has yet to attend any soldiers' funeral.
19. His shameless nepotism for the rich and powerful. Elizabeth Cheney (daughter of Ol' Dick) got hooked up with a cool gig at the state department where she was in charge of the $129 million Middle East Partnership Initiative and then was moved over to Daddy and Uncle Dubya's campaign payroll.
20. He dropped his dog on its head.
21. Bush Jr. is the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
22. Bush Jr. has set an all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest a leader (10 million people,) shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.
23. He slashed funding to the violence against women act.
24. He has invaded and occupied two countries at the continuing cost of one billion dollars per week.
25. He has appointed Charles Pickering, a notorious segregationist from Mississippi, as a federal judge and suspiciously did so on Martin Luther King Day.
26. Bush has spent over $100 billion on Iraq, leaving states to face the largest budget crisis in decades and forced to cut off public services; now with the federal deficit at a new high Bush Jr. wants to award more tax breaks to the wealthy.
27. Uner new Bush legislation (the Clear Skies Initiative,) power plants are allowed to emit triple the amount of highly-toxic mercury into the environment.
28. Bush Jr. failed to protect 3 million acres of the Tongass National Forest from logging. The Tongass has the highest concentration of bald eagles on Earth and has already lost 700 square miles to logging with 33 more logging permits pending. Not even the sanctity of our endangered national bird can compete with Bush campaign contributions provided by the forest industry.
29. He is on pace to have taken more vacation than any president in history, including a 28-day vacation right before 9/11. Bush Jr. has taken 6 months of vacation in total...do you know anyone who gets 6 months of vacation?
30. He pulled out of the Kyoto Agreement on global warming, which had been agreed upon by 178 other countries.
31. Bush Jr. is endorsed by fundamentalist Pat Robertson who claims that God told him Bush will win re-election and that "It doesn't make a difference what Bush does because God is blessing him." Bush keeps some great company, but keep in mind Robertson was also the nitwit that blamed the 9/11 attacks on gays and suggested that we "nuke" the U.S. State Department.
32. He set the record for most executions by any governor in American history. 152 in total; some of whom were mentally disabled.
33. Has repeatedly stonewalled the public investigation into 9/11.
34. Bush Jr. failed to fully fund the AIDS Initiative after promising to do so. The fianl cuts that resulted were over $2 billion.
35. He still suggests that homosexuals are "sinners" and is pushing legislation that would forbid gay partnerships and deny fundamental civil rights on a national and local level.
36. Choked on a pretzel and nearly lost his life while seated in front of a TV.
37. Bush Jr. has gone to great lengths to prevent investigations of his friends at Enron and Halliburton. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
38. Bush Jr. has set the record for the fewest amount of press conferences by a president since the advent of television.
39. Responsible for a $521 billion budget deficit-less than 4 years after inheriting a $200 billion surplus.
40. He has made repeated attempts to legalize oil drilling in the National Wildlife Refuge.
And he eats babies. /nod
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And he eats babies. /nod
lol
1. The national debt under Bush Jr. has increased so drastically that the average American's estimated share of national debt will be an astronomial $24,000-compared to $500 when Dubya first took office.
Look no one cares about the national dept...theres nothing anyone can do about it.
2. Under Bush Jr. there are now 43 million Americans with no health insurance
You know what million didnt have it before he took office...including me again i dont care.
3. Resonponsible for an unemploymentrate of 6%. There are now 9 million people out of work in America-3.3 million more than when Bush took office.
Last time i checked Penn Traffic laid off my dad no bush! How curious.
4. He cut healthcare benefits for war veterans
Its been happeing for years under other administrations
5. Bush Jr. deserted his unit during Vietnam and was reportedly AWOL for over a year from his assigned unit: the Texas Air National Guard, or as it's referred to by other military outfits: the "Champagne Division."
First off all thats never been proven...see Dan Rathers apology after the documents could not be verified.
6. Despite a 13% unemployment rate among those aged 16-24, Bush Jr. proposed to eliminate youth opportunity grants-a program that provides job training to the nation's youth. A $225 million program in 2002 is now being done away with so Bush can have more money for Iraq.
And i care why? ive only had three jobs two of which i had a hard time getting before he took office and the third was given to me by my grandfather. everyone i know has been having the same trouble looks like its just a cheap excuse to blame someone else.
7. He cut funding for 375,000 low income college students and reduced Pell Grnat amounts to such a severe degree that it effectively caused 84,000 students to no longer be eligiblefor Pell Grants. Pell amounts have been overall readuced for 1.5 million students...it's safe to say that the Bush daughters aren't eligible for financial aid, so this won't affect the oppulent lives of anyone Bush Jr. knows.
you know what i could not afford college at any rate. so again i dont care.
8. Withdrew from the international criminal court
I dont care.
9. First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections.)
So what. Id have done the same thing.
10. All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for mose corporate campaign donations.
Sound pretty nice to me. Charity is wrong in your eyes? (by the way i dont care what his reason where)
11. The Bush administration had twice as many FBI agents fighting the drug war than fighting terrorism prior to 9/11. Even after 9/11, more than 2,000 FBI agents are wasting their valuable time assigned to the war on drugs.
well maybe there intel showed it was more important. I dont care! Thing is they made a call. A bad one but everyone makes mistakes.
12. His proposed "Free Trade" agreements would result in the loss of U.S. jobs to foreign markets and the exploitation of third world workers.
i Actually do care about this. but again he cant do anything without congress and senate backing him. So you need to blame other people too and not just the government but thsoe greedy companies.
13. John Ashcroft.
oh please
14. He has taken 11 official executive actions to undermine reproductive rights...how long will it be before a woman is stripped of her right to choose?
well im pro life. so i support him.
15. Failed to fulfill pledge to get Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive."
His term aint up yet.
16. Wasted federal resources on a PR trip to Baghdad where he staged a Thanksgiving meal at 6am with troops that were screened based on their political affiliation. And the turkey? It was a prop.
got proof there captain propaganda?
17. His refusal to fire-or even reprimand-Lt. General Jerry "Our God is Bigger than Your God" Boykin. Perhaps it's because Boykin said of the president, "George Bush was not elected by a majority of voters in the United States. He was appointed by God. He's in the White House because God put him there."
im a christian i believe my god is bigger than all others. Of course i dont bash other religions and believe in freedom of religion but you know i agree with him.
18. After sending troops off to die in an unjust and unprovoked war, he still has yet to attend any soldiers' funeral.
well i doubt every president in the USA history went to every dead soldiers funerals. And any war against evil is JUST and by the just being EVIL you PROVOKED it.
19. His shameless nepotism for the rich and powerful. Elizabeth Cheney (daughter of Ol' Dick) got hooked up with a cool gig at the state department where she was in charge of the $129 million Middle East Partnership Initiative and then was moved over to Daddy and Uncle Dubya's campaign payroll.
dont care
20. He dropped his dog on its head.
So i accidentily dropped my kitten after she bite me and i was startled. Oh how evil. Come on.
21. Bush Jr. is the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
So. Dont you think the early Presidents at the founding of the nations didnt have a little intoxications now and again. This isnt a viable argument to like the guy. everyone makes mistakes
22. Bush Jr. has set an all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest a leader (10 million people,) shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.
So what. Most people are a bunch of mamby pamby sissies that liek to whine.
23. He slashed funding to the violence against women act.
hmmm havent heard about this. but like all those in the USA cutting corners where you can.
24. He has invaded and occupied two countries at the continuing cost of one billion dollars per week.
only two. Dont care i would have gone for more than that.
25. He has appointed Charles Pickering, a notorious segregationist from Mississippi, as a federal judge and suspiciously did so on Martin Luther King Day.
i dont care he still has to follow the law.
26. Bush has spent over $100 billion on Iraq, leaving states to face the largest budget crisis in decades and forced to cut off public services; now with the federal deficit at a new high Bush Jr. wants to award more tax breaks to the wealthy.
jeesh. you know were not rich nad we need those tax cuts the last ones helped alot. So i dont care.
27. Uner new Bush legislation (the Clear Skies Initiative,) power plants are allowed to emit triple the amount of highly-toxic mercury into the environment.
Do you know how many thing are poisoning us daily? A little more wont hurt.
28. Bush Jr. failed to protect 3 million acres of the Tongass National Forest from logging. The Tongass has the highest concentration of bald eagles on Earth and has already lost 700 square miles to logging with 33 more logging permits pending. Not even the sanctity of our endangered national bird can compete with Bush campaign contributions provided by the forest industry.
. i love nature and animals as much as the next guy but guess what hes not the only one to blame.
29. He is on pace to have taken more vacation than any president in history, including a 28-day vacation right before 9/11. Bush Jr. has taken 6 months of vacation in total...do you know anyone who gets 6 months of vacation?
So what. why do i care. do you know anyone who actually has a relaxing non-working vacation? I dont.
30. He pulled out of the Kyoto Agreement on global warming, which had been agreed upon by 178 other countries.
I dont care about this one either. I have seen so many scientists views on global warming i could scream and i dont know which ones to believe either.
31. Bush Jr. is endorsed by fundamentalist Pat Robertson who claims that God told him Bush will win re-election and that "It doesn't make a difference what Bush does because God is blessing him." Bush keeps some great company, but keep in mind Robertson was also the nitwit that blamed the 9/11 attacks on gays and suggested that we "nuke" the U.S. State Department.
i endorse pat robertson too.
32. He set the record for most executions by any governor in American history. 152 in total; some of whom were mentally disabled.
so i a 100% for capital punishment
33. Has repeatedly stonewalled the public investigation into 9/11.
Dont care.
34. Bush Jr. failed to fully fund the AIDS Initiative after promising to do so. The fianl cuts that resulted were over $2 billion.
Aside from children born with the disease and the uneducated they deserve what they got. so i approve the cut to a degree.
35. He still suggests that homosexuals are "sinners" and is pushing legislation that would forbid gay partnerships and deny fundamental civil rights on a national and local level.
See being a christian and reading the bible says they are so i wonder why he thinks that. By the way i believe the same.
36. Choked on a pretzel and nearly lost his life while seated in front of a TV.
And. Ive choked before.
37. Bush Jr. has gone to great lengths to prevent investigations of his friends at Enron and Halliburton. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
well didnt some of those guys go to jail? So what.
38. Bush Jr. has set the record for the fewest amount of press conferences by a president since the advent of television.
They would be lucky to get any from me.
39. Responsible for a $521 billion budget deficit-less than 4 years after inheriting a $200 billion surplus.
I doubt it was his fault alone.
40. He has made repeated attempts to legalize oil drilling in the National Wildlife Refuge.
well thats because we need the oil. If as you say we attack other nations for it, then it makes perfecst sense to use our own.
All you have offered is the same basic crap that comes up every election for every president for the last 100 years nothing you have said is new. Bash this guy bash that guy. I have heard all of this before and if god came to me tomorrow and said all this is 100 % true and then some id still vote for him. And you know what alot of people are like that so stop trying to convince people.
Also remember i supprot alot of his descisions cause i would have done the same thing, so you cant convince me.
Look no one cares about the national dept...theres nothing anyone can do about it.
2. Under Bush Jr. there are now 43 million Americans with no health insurance
You know what million didnt have it before he took office...including me again i dont care.
3. Resonponsible for an unemploymentrate of 6%. There are now 9 million people out of work in America-3.3 million more than when Bush took office.
Last time i checked Penn Traffic laid off my dad no bush! How curious.
4. He cut healthcare benefits for war veterans
Its been happeing for years under other administrations
5. Bush Jr. deserted his unit during Vietnam and was reportedly AWOL for over a year from his assigned unit: the Texas Air National Guard, or as it's referred to by other military outfits: the "Champagne Division."
First off all thats never been proven...see Dan Rathers apology after the documents could not be verified.
6. Despite a 13% unemployment rate among those aged 16-24, Bush Jr. proposed to eliminate youth opportunity grants-a program that provides job training to the nation's youth. A $225 million program in 2002 is now being done away with so Bush can have more money for Iraq.
And i care why? ive only had three jobs two of which i had a hard time getting before he took office and the third was given to me by my grandfather. everyone i know has been having the same trouble looks like its just a cheap excuse to blame someone else.
7. He cut funding for 375,000 low income college students and reduced Pell Grnat amounts to such a severe degree that it effectively caused 84,000 students to no longer be eligiblefor Pell Grants. Pell amounts have been overall readuced for 1.5 million students...it's safe to say that the Bush daughters aren't eligible for financial aid, so this won't affect the oppulent lives of anyone Bush Jr. knows.
you know what i could not afford college at any rate. so again i dont care.
8. Withdrew from the international criminal court
I dont care.
9. First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections.)
So what. Id have done the same thing.
10. All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for mose corporate campaign donations.
Sound pretty nice to me. Charity is wrong in your eyes? (by the way i dont care what his reason where)
11. The Bush administration had twice as many FBI agents fighting the drug war than fighting terrorism prior to 9/11. Even after 9/11, more than 2,000 FBI agents are wasting their valuable time assigned to the war on drugs.
well maybe there intel showed it was more important. I dont care! Thing is they made a call. A bad one but everyone makes mistakes.
12. His proposed "Free Trade" agreements would result in the loss of U.S. jobs to foreign markets and the exploitation of third world workers.
i Actually do care about this. but again he cant do anything without congress and senate backing him. So you need to blame other people too and not just the government but thsoe greedy companies.
13. John Ashcroft.
oh please
14. He has taken 11 official executive actions to undermine reproductive rights...how long will it be before a woman is stripped of her right to choose?
well im pro life. so i support him.
15. Failed to fulfill pledge to get Osama Bin Laden "dead or alive."
His term aint up yet.
16. Wasted federal resources on a PR trip to Baghdad where he staged a Thanksgiving meal at 6am with troops that were screened based on their political affiliation. And the turkey? It was a prop.
got proof there captain propaganda?
17. His refusal to fire-or even reprimand-Lt. General Jerry "Our God is Bigger than Your God" Boykin. Perhaps it's because Boykin said of the president, "George Bush was not elected by a majority of voters in the United States. He was appointed by God. He's in the White House because God put him there."
im a christian i believe my god is bigger than all others. Of course i dont bash other religions and believe in freedom of religion but you know i agree with him.
18. After sending troops off to die in an unjust and unprovoked war, he still has yet to attend any soldiers' funeral.
well i doubt every president in the USA history went to every dead soldiers funerals. And any war against evil is JUST and by the just being EVIL you PROVOKED it.
19. His shameless nepotism for the rich and powerful. Elizabeth Cheney (daughter of Ol' Dick) got hooked up with a cool gig at the state department where she was in charge of the $129 million Middle East Partnership Initiative and then was moved over to Daddy and Uncle Dubya's campaign payroll.
dont care
20. He dropped his dog on its head.
So i accidentily dropped my kitten after she bite me and i was startled. Oh how evil. Come on.
21. Bush Jr. is the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
So. Dont you think the early Presidents at the founding of the nations didnt have a little intoxications now and again. This isnt a viable argument to like the guy. everyone makes mistakes
22. Bush Jr. has set an all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest a leader (10 million people,) shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.
So what. Most people are a bunch of mamby pamby sissies that liek to whine.
23. He slashed funding to the violence against women act.
hmmm havent heard about this. but like all those in the USA cutting corners where you can.
24. He has invaded and occupied two countries at the continuing cost of one billion dollars per week.
only two. Dont care i would have gone for more than that.
25. He has appointed Charles Pickering, a notorious segregationist from Mississippi, as a federal judge and suspiciously did so on Martin Luther King Day.
i dont care he still has to follow the law.
26. Bush has spent over $100 billion on Iraq, leaving states to face the largest budget crisis in decades and forced to cut off public services; now with the federal deficit at a new high Bush Jr. wants to award more tax breaks to the wealthy.
jeesh. you know were not rich nad we need those tax cuts the last ones helped alot. So i dont care.
27. Uner new Bush legislation (the Clear Skies Initiative,) power plants are allowed to emit triple the amount of highly-toxic mercury into the environment.
Do you know how many thing are poisoning us daily? A little more wont hurt.
28. Bush Jr. failed to protect 3 million acres of the Tongass National Forest from logging. The Tongass has the highest concentration of bald eagles on Earth and has already lost 700 square miles to logging with 33 more logging permits pending. Not even the sanctity of our endangered national bird can compete with Bush campaign contributions provided by the forest industry.
. i love nature and animals as much as the next guy but guess what hes not the only one to blame.
29. He is on pace to have taken more vacation than any president in history, including a 28-day vacation right before 9/11. Bush Jr. has taken 6 months of vacation in total...do you know anyone who gets 6 months of vacation?
So what. why do i care. do you know anyone who actually has a relaxing non-working vacation? I dont.
30. He pulled out of the Kyoto Agreement on global warming, which had been agreed upon by 178 other countries.
I dont care about this one either. I have seen so many scientists views on global warming i could scream and i dont know which ones to believe either.
31. Bush Jr. is endorsed by fundamentalist Pat Robertson who claims that God told him Bush will win re-election and that "It doesn't make a difference what Bush does because God is blessing him." Bush keeps some great company, but keep in mind Robertson was also the nitwit that blamed the 9/11 attacks on gays and suggested that we "nuke" the U.S. State Department.
i endorse pat robertson too.
32. He set the record for most executions by any governor in American history. 152 in total; some of whom were mentally disabled.
so i a 100% for capital punishment
33. Has repeatedly stonewalled the public investigation into 9/11.
Dont care.
34. Bush Jr. failed to fully fund the AIDS Initiative after promising to do so. The fianl cuts that resulted were over $2 billion.
Aside from children born with the disease and the uneducated they deserve what they got. so i approve the cut to a degree.
35. He still suggests that homosexuals are "sinners" and is pushing legislation that would forbid gay partnerships and deny fundamental civil rights on a national and local level.
See being a christian and reading the bible says they are so i wonder why he thinks that. By the way i believe the same.
36. Choked on a pretzel and nearly lost his life while seated in front of a TV.
And. Ive choked before.
37. Bush Jr. has gone to great lengths to prevent investigations of his friends at Enron and Halliburton. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
well didnt some of those guys go to jail? So what.
38. Bush Jr. has set the record for the fewest amount of press conferences by a president since the advent of television.
They would be lucky to get any from me.
39. Responsible for a $521 billion budget deficit-less than 4 years after inheriting a $200 billion surplus.
I doubt it was his fault alone.
40. He has made repeated attempts to legalize oil drilling in the National Wildlife Refuge.
well thats because we need the oil. If as you say we attack other nations for it, then it makes perfecst sense to use our own.
All you have offered is the same basic crap that comes up every election for every president for the last 100 years nothing you have said is new. Bash this guy bash that guy. I have heard all of this before and if god came to me tomorrow and said all this is 100 % true and then some id still vote for him. And you know what alot of people are like that so stop trying to convince people.
Also remember i supprot alot of his descisions cause i would have done the same thing, so you cant convince me.
wait.. I just *painfully* read your responses, we have a spell-check feature now, use it
anyway, I noticed that whenever something about bush affected you you said it was propaganda. And whenever something affected someone else you blatantly said you didnt give the sh**?
ever consider a political career?
No, I dont like to whine. I prefer to change things, nothing was ever changed by complaining.
oh, are you sure your *OLD* enough to vote? you mentioned your dad getting laid off.
anyway, I noticed that whenever something about bush affected you you said it was propaganda. And whenever something affected someone else you blatantly said you didnt give the sh**?
ever consider a political career?
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So what. Most people are a bunch of mamby pamby sissies that liek to whine.
No, I dont like to whine. I prefer to change things, nothing was ever changed by complaining.
oh, are you sure your *OLD* enough to vote? you mentioned your dad getting laid off.
I noticed the same thing. It appears that, if all who vote for Bush are akin to Arashi Ravenblade, then a vote for Bush is because you don't give a damn. 
However, I expect more from those who do vote for Bush. I don't expect them to just say they don't give a damn, even though Bush is screwing things up.
However, I expect more from those who do vote for Bush. I don't expect them to just say they don't give a damn, even though Bush is screwing things up.
he dropped his dog on its head
I thought about going point by point, but it's kinda pointless... He choked on a pretzel?? And that's a reason to not vote for him?? He dropped his dog on his head?? I remember hearing a lady say she voted for Clinton because he turned her on.
If these are the reasons people vote, it's no wonder we're in the state we're in. It's wrong of me I know, but I wish these people who only consider the most superficial things important, weren't allowed to vote.
The whole thing is so nutty, the only thing I could think to add was that they forgot to mention he eats babies!! Alex Jones gives a much more convincing argument to not vote for Bush for me, with video even, but then he's not left leaning... I'd like to see that political marriage lol.
The whole list is nutty. If there was a good point, it got lost in the message of hate.
If these are the reasons people vote, it's no wonder we're in the state we're in. It's wrong of me I know, but I wish these people who only consider the most superficial things important, weren't allowed to vote.
The whole thing is so nutty, the only thing I could think to add was that they forgot to mention he eats babies!! Alex Jones gives a much more convincing argument to not vote for Bush for me, with video even, but then he's not left leaning... I'd like to see that political marriage lol.
The whole list is nutty. If there was a good point, it got lost in the message of hate.
There a couple of useful facts in there, but to me its not a message of hate. The guy asked a question, and you cant says bush has wonderful foreign policys, and EVERYONE knows iraq was about oil. Look at haliburton! There the ones, sending the majority of contracters to iraq.
Overall, since bush took office he has went, from being the person I would have voted for. To a greedy stupid(was there ever a smart one)moron. If you do vote, independent is the way to go. I dont think kerry would do that much of a better job, but hey. He's better than bush.
Overall, since bush took office he has went, from being the person I would have voted for. To a greedy stupid(was there ever a smart one)moron. If you do vote, independent is the way to go. I dont think kerry would do that much of a better job, but hey. He's better than bush.
NIce to see the american pblic seem to vote on important issues such as Health care, Unemployment, the economy, crime, social welfare, pension Funds, environment, public spending, public services , justice systems, defense... oh wait arashi doesnt care about any of that.
You said you were raised in a certain way pertaining to you voting for bush, what way was that to simply not care and just blindly vote for anyone & you wonder why europeans choose socialism over capitalism in every major european country.
Oh BTW your comment on AIDS sufferers was so ignorant , illeducated and offensive im actually going to report you to a mod over that one .
You said you were raised in a certain way pertaining to you voting for bush, what way was that to simply not care and just blindly vote for anyone & you wonder why europeans choose socialism over capitalism in every major european country.
Oh BTW your comment on AIDS sufferers was so ignorant , illeducated and offensive im actually going to report you to a mod over that one .
wait.. wait a minute
you said you were pro-life, are you a vegan?
"so i a 100% for capital punishment"
yeah, I think you just worship bush
you said you were pro-life, are you a vegan?
"so i a 100% for capital punishment"
yeah, I think you just worship bush
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Aside from children born with the disease and the uneducated they deserve what they got. so i approve the cut to a degree.
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I dont care.
Well some people do care...thank God for them...
And for you too, but get a 'clue' , got it 
i'm a stupid 14 year old who really doesn't care much about politics, but since i think that both bush and kerry are morons, i'm going to have to say nader
BUSH IS AN IDIOT, AND WHO EVER VOTES FOR HIM ARE IDIOTS TOO.
AND IN MY EYES, HE TOO, IS A TERRORIST!
KERRY IS MORE INTELLIGENT AND LESS OF A PUPPET THAN BUSH.
WAR SUCKS!!!!!
I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO WAR TO FIND OSAMA?!?!?!?!?!
WHY THE HELL ARE WE IN IRAQ? DID WE GIVE UP? MORE OF OUR G.I.'S ARE IN IRAQ GETTING BLOWN UP, CONTRACTORS BEHEADED... THIS IS HORRIBLE! THIS IS MURDER, NOT JUSTICE!
WE HAVE SADDAM.... WE WANT OSAMA...
9-11 WAS OSAMAS DOING... NOT SADDAM.. (AND I AM NOT LETTING SADDAM OFF EASILY)
WHY GO AFTER COUNTRIES WITH MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONS, WHEN WE SUPPOSABLY HAVE THEM TOO?!?!? (ISN'T THAT HYPOCRITICAL)
SO JAPAN HAS SOME NOW, ARE WE GOING AFTER THEM?...
I HOPE TO GOD NOT.... NOT ANOTHER 4 YEARS WITH THIS MORON.
I HOPE TO NEVER SEE WWIII IN MY LIFE TIME OR MY CHILDRENS, GRAND CHILDREN ETC.. LIFETIME OR EVEN EVER.
THE WORLD IS BIG ENOUGH FOR ALL OF US.... IF THERE IS NO WORLD THERE IS NO US.
WHY EXTINCT OURSELVES OVER THIS B.S????
ALL OF THE HARD WORKING BLUE COLLARED CITIZENS ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS... WE NEED THEM!
BUT THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE FORGIENERS COMING OVER MAKING PARTY STORES THAT LAST AND THE TRUE HOMEGROWN AMERICANS CAN'T GET A BREAK?!?!?!?!
BUSH GOT RID OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD. (WOMEN COULD ANONYMOUSLY GO ONCE A YEAR, GET A FULL EXAMINATION AND A YEAR SUPPLY FOR BIRTH CONTROL FOR A SMALL DONATION) AND NOW IT IS NO LONGER.... MORE PEOPLE POPPING OUT UNWANTED, UNPLANNED KIDS GO ON WELFARE, AND THOSE WHO HAVE WHAT JOBS WE HAVE LEFT HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM...
I AM SICK OF WASTING MY HARD EARNED MONEY ON THIS B.S. AND YOU SHOULD TOO.
THAT IS MY OPINION... WHICH IS MY FREEDOM AND RIGHT. THANKS TO THE KERRY SUPPORTERS... BOOO ON THE BUSH SUPPORTERS.
AND IN MY EYES, HE TOO, IS A TERRORIST!
KERRY IS MORE INTELLIGENT AND LESS OF A PUPPET THAN BUSH.
WAR SUCKS!!!!!
I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO WAR TO FIND OSAMA?!?!?!?!?!
WHY THE HELL ARE WE IN IRAQ? DID WE GIVE UP? MORE OF OUR G.I.'S ARE IN IRAQ GETTING BLOWN UP, CONTRACTORS BEHEADED... THIS IS HORRIBLE! THIS IS MURDER, NOT JUSTICE!
WE HAVE SADDAM.... WE WANT OSAMA...
9-11 WAS OSAMAS DOING... NOT SADDAM.. (AND I AM NOT LETTING SADDAM OFF EASILY)
WHY GO AFTER COUNTRIES WITH MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONS, WHEN WE SUPPOSABLY HAVE THEM TOO?!?!? (ISN'T THAT HYPOCRITICAL)
SO JAPAN HAS SOME NOW, ARE WE GOING AFTER THEM?...
I HOPE TO GOD NOT.... NOT ANOTHER 4 YEARS WITH THIS MORON.
I HOPE TO NEVER SEE WWIII IN MY LIFE TIME OR MY CHILDRENS, GRAND CHILDREN ETC.. LIFETIME OR EVEN EVER.
THE WORLD IS BIG ENOUGH FOR ALL OF US.... IF THERE IS NO WORLD THERE IS NO US.
WHY EXTINCT OURSELVES OVER THIS B.S????
ALL OF THE HARD WORKING BLUE COLLARED CITIZENS ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS... WE NEED THEM!
BUT THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE FORGIENERS COMING OVER MAKING PARTY STORES THAT LAST AND THE TRUE HOMEGROWN AMERICANS CAN'T GET A BREAK?!?!?!?!
BUSH GOT RID OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD. (WOMEN COULD ANONYMOUSLY GO ONCE A YEAR, GET A FULL EXAMINATION AND A YEAR SUPPLY FOR BIRTH CONTROL FOR A SMALL DONATION) AND NOW IT IS NO LONGER.... MORE PEOPLE POPPING OUT UNWANTED, UNPLANNED KIDS GO ON WELFARE, AND THOSE WHO HAVE WHAT JOBS WE HAVE LEFT HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM...
I AM SICK OF WASTING MY HARD EARNED MONEY ON THIS B.S. AND YOU SHOULD TOO.
THAT IS MY OPINION... WHICH IS MY FREEDOM AND RIGHT. THANKS TO THE KERRY SUPPORTERS... BOOO ON THE BUSH SUPPORTERS.
There is a little key on the middle left of your keyboard that says "CapsLock", press it once. Typing in all caps in considered yelling and not appropriate for an entire post.
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BUSH IS AN IDIOT, AND WHO EVER VOTES FOR HIM ARE IDIOTS TOO.
Mmmm.. Very mature post there cynamyngirl!
NOT!Just because people don't vote the way you would does not make them idiots..... you need to grow up if you plan on debating on this forum!
They will chew you up and spit you out!
*cough*
Sweetie, try to avoid talking in all caps! I echo your sentiments but just.. calm down! Shouting doenst accomplish anything, go participate in some sort of activism!
Sweetie, try to avoid talking in all caps! I echo your sentiments but just.. calm down! Shouting doenst accomplish anything, go participate in some sort of activism!
Bush...but as I've said before it's nothing I want to shout from the rootops. I wish I could really feel good about it.
I think I found my new candidate to run against kerry and Bush on the Primate Ticket:
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I think I found my new candidate to run against kerry and Bush on the Primate Ticket:
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LMAO FLUFFY!!!
I can say one thing about Fluffy..... even with your thread locking power.... you have not lost your sense of humor!!!
I dont know how bush would feel about running against family.
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Bwahaaaaaaa
What am I doing??.... that wasn't suppose to be funny...
MY BAD!!!
I put in in caps to get my point across.
My bad if I offended anyone, but really, I was yelling the hole thing, cause Bush is a complete MORON. (is that better?!?!?)
So, I just heard on the news today that some of our boys are home from Afghanistan... that is GREAT news, BUT when are the boys gonna come home from IRAQ? OSAMA isn't in Iraq, but in Afghanistan..... did we forget about him? Was this war just so Bush could finish his Daddy's job... I hate bush. Is 9-11 just a vague memory to everyone? I thought that this war would be the LAST resort, why was it the first? Why are we spending our hard earned money on a country who doesn't care if we help them or not? They don't want our help. We have our men and women go there to fix buildings only to have some dumba** come along and blow up himself and the buildings... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!! We need our money to stay here. If the billions of dollars that went over seas stayed here WHERE IT BELONGS we can fix our projects/ghettos, give our homeless homes, provide health insurance for all, fix our streets, fix ourselves, and much much more with money to donate to charities.
I hope to God that we don't have to endure this b.s. another 4 years....
I hope to God that when people vote, it is for the best man for the job... who cares about Republ. & Democ. parties... It's almost like a high school clique voting for the Class president... The president deals with our lives, our money our freedom....
Now, Why would anyone truely vote for Bush? Some one who complete destroyed our economy, our country. Sad, but true.
Man, I sure miss Clinton... but Kerry is going to do a GREAT job when he is president. Bush is for the rich, which is like just a portion of our country. The rest of us, are lower and middle class. We are the Unions, the homemakers, the people who service everyone else. Bush isn't for the employees, he is for the Boss. Go figure.
Oh, and yes, Student&Alive, My whole family, friends and I, all participate in activism.
I just really get P*ssed off about people who support that crooked schmuck Bush.
GO KERRY!!! PRESIDENT KERRY 2005!!!
I put in in caps to get my point across.
My bad if I offended anyone, but really, I was yelling the hole thing, cause Bush is a complete MORON. (is that better?!?!?)
So, I just heard on the news today that some of our boys are home from Afghanistan... that is GREAT news, BUT when are the boys gonna come home from IRAQ? OSAMA isn't in Iraq, but in Afghanistan..... did we forget about him? Was this war just so Bush could finish his Daddy's job... I hate bush. Is 9-11 just a vague memory to everyone? I thought that this war would be the LAST resort, why was it the first? Why are we spending our hard earned money on a country who doesn't care if we help them or not? They don't want our help. We have our men and women go there to fix buildings only to have some dumba** come along and blow up himself and the buildings... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!! We need our money to stay here. If the billions of dollars that went over seas stayed here WHERE IT BELONGS we can fix our projects/ghettos, give our homeless homes, provide health insurance for all, fix our streets, fix ourselves, and much much more with money to donate to charities.
I hope to God that we don't have to endure this b.s. another 4 years....
I hope to God that when people vote, it is for the best man for the job... who cares about Republ. & Democ. parties... It's almost like a high school clique voting for the Class president... The president deals with our lives, our money our freedom....
Now, Why would anyone truely vote for Bush? Some one who complete destroyed our economy, our country. Sad, but true.
Man, I sure miss Clinton... but Kerry is going to do a GREAT job when he is president. Bush is for the rich, which is like just a portion of our country. The rest of us, are lower and middle class. We are the Unions, the homemakers, the people who service everyone else. Bush isn't for the employees, he is for the Boss. Go figure.
Oh, and yes, Student&Alive, My whole family, friends and I, all participate in activism.
I just really get P*ssed off about people who support that crooked schmuck Bush.
GO KERRY!!! PRESIDENT KERRY 2005!!!
Cynamyngirl, I hope you do not consider me an idiot. Anyway, I feel as though Bush is doing something that should have been taken care of during the past 25 to 30 years. Do you remember all of the hijackings, embassy bombings, etc.? Not much was done in the past. Just think of the money and lives we could have saved if we responded with authority such as we are doing now. Do you think we are going to stop with Iraq? I don't think so. Do you think we will not get attacked again if Kerry is elected. I don't think so. Do you really believe we went into Iraq for the oil? I believe you are wrong. A 1000 soldiers dead?? Try between 50000 to 60000 soldiers in Vietnam. More than that in WWI and WWII.
We are in a war. That is what happens during war. I still like the idea that we are fighting all of the terrorists overseas and not on our land. As long as we can keep them pre-occupied over there, we can save more lives over here. As far as jobs, loss jobs are usually the result when a war is declared.
We are in a war. That is what happens during war. I still like the idea that we are fighting all of the terrorists overseas and not on our land. As long as we can keep them pre-occupied over there, we can save more lives over here. As far as jobs, loss jobs are usually the result when a war is declared.
One more thing Cynamyngirl. Are you one of the individuals that is going to vote for Kerry just because you hate Bush? Because, that is what I got from you on your posts.
I am voting for Kerry because he is for the people who are for me, my family, my friends, my co workers, my community... To me, Bush doesn't give a rat's a** about anybody else other than the people who master his strings and who have money.
I didn't vote for Bush nor his father. I don't like their values. I don't like the fact that during the debate on tv last week, all bush did was talk mostly about the war and Saddam...
WHAT ABOUT OSAMA?
Why do we have MORE G.I's in Iraq than in Afghanistan?
What about 9-11?
What about us?
What about our money?
Everyone on here who is against me doesnt have the answers to those?
Bush lied to us... I can't vote for someone who puts our country and our earth at risk... DOESN'T ANYONE UNDERSTAND? IF WE KEEP FIGHTING EACHOTHER ON THIS EARTH, THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE AN EARTH TO FIGHT FOR.
We need to compromise... man, I wish we would have had a woman president from the get go....
well? I am waiting...
I didn't vote for Bush nor his father. I don't like their values. I don't like the fact that during the debate on tv last week, all bush did was talk mostly about the war and Saddam...
WHAT ABOUT OSAMA?
Why do we have MORE G.I's in Iraq than in Afghanistan?
What about 9-11?
What about us?
What about our money?
Everyone on here who is against me doesnt have the answers to those?
Bush lied to us... I can't vote for someone who puts our country and our earth at risk... DOESN'T ANYONE UNDERSTAND? IF WE KEEP FIGHTING EACHOTHER ON THIS EARTH, THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE AN EARTH TO FIGHT FOR.
We need to compromise... man, I wish we would have had a woman president from the get go....
well? I am waiting...
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One more thing Cynamyngirl. Are you one of the individuals that is going to vote for Kerry just because you hate Bush? Because, that is what I got from you on your posts.
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Did you know that a recent gallup poll put nearly 30% of the Kerry supporters into that category?
cynumyngirl, I agree, I'd like to see a woman President...just so long as it's not Hillary.
Yes... Hillary is the DEVIL! 
Iraq IS about oil.
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WHAT ABOUT OSAMA?
Why do we have MORE G.I's in Iraq than in Afghanistan?
What about 9-11?
What about us?
What about our money?
Everyone on here who is against me doesnt have the answers to those?
Why do we have MORE G.I's in Iraq than in Afghanistan?
What about 9-11?
What about us?
What about our money?
Everyone on here who is against me doesnt have the answers to those?
Well, I'm opposite that opinion and I'll give my opinionated answers...
Osama's been keeping a low profile, we'll get him if we haven't already. While hunting him are we to do nothing else? It took the whole world 54 years to find Julius Viel, and 2 years after that to even sentence him. I'm thinking as well known as Osama is, and as many people looking for him as there are, he'll be found sooner rather than later. It's my opinion, others disagree.
About the number of troops, I'm getting conflicting reports. I'm looking for a .gov site that will tell me, anybody point me to one? That's a thing for fact checking. Now, opinion wise, I don't care who has more troops, as long as it has the number of troops it takes to do the job. If I can find good numbers on the numbers I'll give my opinion on that too.
What about 9/11 do you want to talk about? The aspect where Clinton reduced and abused our intelligence capability, or how a boastful belligerent Saddam funded al-Queda through the UN's Oil for Food program giving them the money to carry out the attack, or if we had enforced laws already on the books they wouldn't have been able to do what they did, or it was an evil act just like the other evil acts that never got America's attention while they buried their heads in the sand and took freedom for granted, or... well, it's my opinion after all.
What about us? Ummm... well... I'm ok.
Our money, now that's a biggie to me too hehe. Tax cuts were the best thing for the nation. Class warfare is being perpetuated by Kerry and his ilk, 10% of 100 is not the same as 10% of 1000, when 200 is guessed might grow to be 300 but turns out 250 that is not a cut it still grew by 50 but that's what Kerry and his ilk call cuts it's still sapping that money out of our pockets and it's not even the 200 it was it's 250... and there's more reasons.
Kerry is the worst man for the country. Bush is unfortunately much better. I am voting for neither. Not even sure about that Badnarik fellow anymore either.
Oh!! I'll do a write in for Alan Keys! Yes! It'll be my first write in ever. First Black President, Alan Keys.
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Oct 5 2004, 05:32 PM)
Did you know that a recent gallup poll put nearly 30% of the Kerry supporters into that category?
Gallup Poll!
Reasons why people are voting for Bush or Kerry
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/default.aspx?ci=13096
Sorry, saw gallup and I've been going to them lately. That's the most current presented data from them.
Student and Alive:
I am wondering if everyone is remembering that you do not have to answer the question as to whom you are voting? Voting is a personal choice that is protected under the law as a private issue. If you choose to share your personal choice, so be it. Please be careful as to how and to whom you share your information.
Peacelover
I am wondering if everyone is remembering that you do not have to answer the question as to whom you are voting? Voting is a personal choice that is protected under the law as a private issue. If you choose to share your personal choice, so be it. Please be careful as to how and to whom you share your information.
Peacelover
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Sorry, saw gallup and I've been going to them lately. That's the most current presented data from them.
Here is a sentance from the link you posted from the Gallup website:
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More than one in four registered voters who support Kerry say they are voting for Kerry because they want Bush out of office (18%) or more simply they dislike Bush (9%)
27% is nearly 30%, hence my comment.
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Iraq IS about oil.
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Yes, If you are French or German (Saddam bought them out with bargain basement oil contracts that would take effect if they could get the sanctions renewed).
As far as the US, we have given total custody of the Oil to the Iraqi people.
If Iraq had no oil, we still would have went their and kicked Saddam's A**.
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Iraq IS about oil.
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Yes, If you are French or German (Saddam bought them out with bargain basement oil contracts that would take effect if they could get the sanctions renewed).
As far as the US, we have given total custody of the Oil to the Iraqi people.
If Iraq had no oil, we still would have went their and kicked Saddam's A**.
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all the supporters of the iraq war, hammered on about WMDS. Now the entire thing is about "liberating" some people.
Liberate me on your own time.
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Iraq IS about oil.
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Yes, If you are French or German (Saddam bought them out with bargain basement oil contracts that would take effect if they could get the sanctions renewed).
As far as the US, we have given total custody of the Oil to the Iraqi people.
If Iraq had no oil, we still would have went their and kicked Saddam's A**.
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all the supporters of the iraq war, hammered on about WMDS. Now the entire thing is about "liberating" some people.
Liberate me on your own time.
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There was no mention of liberating people in either of the posts you sited, just a discussion about the role of oil in France's decision to veto the 18th resolution against Iraq.
Granted, I do think it was great that we are liberating them. If you want to have that discussion, lets have it. As a byproduct of our removing Saddam from power (which has been the official US policy since 1998 under Clinton), we are liberating them from an oppressive tyrant who tortured his subjects on a routine basis. Great. How is that a bad thing?
Oh wait, it was a republican that did it. Yeah, ther must have been something evil afoot.
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As far as the US, we have given total custody of the Oil to the Iraqi people.
Yes, that is true. Having that iraqi oil on the market helps the US right?
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If Iraq had no oil, we still would have went their and kicked Saddam's A**.
If Iraq had no oil, Saddam would have never made it to the position he had, it isn't like Iraq has many other natural resources to make billions of dollars from...
Also, I don't know if your statement is correct. There are several "Saddams" running countries right now thta we don't seem to be kicking the @ss of...I think that the oil in the region is a reason for us to be Iraq(not the only reason, but a reason nonetheless). Our country needs it, and we let a lot of other countries get away with more that don't have it...
Very good Independant 1, very good.
Peacelover
Peacelover
I had to take a shower indpendent 1 hence, my short post.
You are, of course aware of the millions of dollars we gave saddam?
for weapons?
we also helped put him in power.
If your not just tell me, and I'll go into greater detail.
You are, of course aware of the millions of dollars we gave saddam?
for weapons?
we also helped put him in power.
If your not just tell me, and I'll go into greater detail.
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I had to take a shower indpendent 1 hence, my short post.
You are, of course aware of the millions of dollars we gave saddam?
for weapons?
we also helped put him in power.
If your not just tell me, and I'll go into greater detail.
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You are, of course aware of the millions of dollars we gave saddam?
for weapons?
we also helped put him in power.
If your not just tell me, and I'll go into greater detail.
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That was back in the 1980s, and we were wrong to do it. At that time we were still preoccupied with the cold war, and Iraq was an ally against Russia.
It does not mean that we are forever bound to Saddam Hussien in holy matrimony. If anything, it means we have a duty to go in there and clean up the problem we created.
Quite honestly, I am sick of hearing about how we helped Iraq in the 1980s. It was a mistake. Its done. Its time to move on.
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Oct 5 2004, 09:50 PM)
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As far as the US, we have given total custody of the Oil to the Iraqi people.
Yes, that is true. Having that iraqi oil on the market helps the US right?
To a minimal level, it helps the entire world oil market.
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If Iraq had no oil, we still would have went their and kicked Saddam's A**.
There are several "Saddams" running countries right now thta we don't seem to be kicking the @ss of...
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They'll get their turns. First, diplomacy, which we did for 12 years (yes, there was an issue in Iraq prior to Bush), the if necessary force.
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Here is a sentance from the link you posted from the Gallup website:
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More than one in four registered voters who support Kerry say they are voting for Kerry because they want Bush out of office (18%) or more simply they dislike Bush (9%)
27% is nearly 30%, hence my comment.
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If you go down a little further and look at the male voters you'll find the exact 30% number. 30% is dead on. I saw that 27% too. Really, I thought it would have been a higher number, it was a pleasant supprise.
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I had to take a shower indpendent 1 hence, my short post.
You are, of course aware of the millions of dollars we gave saddam?
for weapons?
we also helped put him in power.
If your not just tell me, and I'll go into greater detail.
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You are, of course aware of the millions of dollars we gave saddam?
for weapons?
we also helped put him in power.
If your not just tell me, and I'll go into greater detail.
[right][snapback]292861[/snapback][/right]
That was back in the 1980s, and we were wrong to do it. At that time we were still preoccupied with the cold war, and Iraq was an ally against Russia.
It does not mean that we are forever bound to Saddam Hussien in holy matrimony. If anything, it means we have a duty to go in there and clean up the problem we created.
Quite honestly, I am sick of hearing about how we helped Iraq in the 1980s. It was a mistake. Its done. Its time to move on.
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Let's apply the arguement of supporting Iraq to other countries. Hey, we gave Cuba foriegn aid in the 50s. Should they be our close allie then???? We were giving North Korea aid when we thought they were disarming their nuclear program in the 90s---That makes them our ally, right?
arashi ravenblade... you say you are a christian, yet you support capital punishment.. and dont care about many relevancies that are happening in your own country (let alone the world?).. well, you cant be a practicing christian then can you? or maybe just plain ignorant that doesnt care about much, or is not well educated, pull your head out of the sand.. either way.. you get the person you vote for, and you got bush, a war mongor like his father....
its a bit strange that sep 11 happened, and they are hell bent after osama, then all of a sudden, left turn and they want saddam.... bit strange dont you think.. what is this govt hiding? and if they are so damn worried about nuclear weapons, why dont they go to korea? or maybe bush is a wee bit scared that korea would retalliate with much more force than what is happening now in the middle east... all i hope is that all the troops, from every country gets to go home soon, unscathed, and un-ostracised.
its a bit strange that sep 11 happened, and they are hell bent after osama, then all of a sudden, left turn and they want saddam.... bit strange dont you think.. what is this govt hiding? and if they are so damn worried about nuclear weapons, why dont they go to korea? or maybe bush is a wee bit scared that korea would retalliate with much more force than what is happening now in the middle east... all i hope is that all the troops, from every country gets to go home soon, unscathed, and un-ostracised.
Ok, well, I was watching tv last night flippin' through the channels stopping at the vp debate and then I seen Hurricane Summer on the discovery channel...
Florida is now a like a trash dump, families without homes, fatalities, etc. My heart goes out to the families there who have lost almost everything. My point in this, We are spending billions and billions of dollars in another country to rebuild it, only to have the some Iraqies blow them back up... so we are technically wasting money.
We need to rebuild the homes in flordia INSTEAD of Iraq. I am sorry if this may offend anyone, but we need to take care of ourselves before we go and Mother some other country that doesn't want help.
I wish we could all just get along, not get jealous for what other have, and compromise. What is so hard about that? Why do we need to resort to war? To murder or be murdered, that isn't the question nor a good answer to me.
I know that alot of our men and women over seas WANTED to protect us after 9-11, wanted Osama's head, wanted justice for the 3,000 + men and women who lost their lives that autumn day. I honor them, and respect them for their decisions to protect the home land. I think they got more than they bargained for.
My grandfather fought in Korea war, my uncles in Vietnam... and what they would tell me about the war is that it would give even Satan nightmares. And that they were wars that shouldn't have happened. As this war. There are better ways to confront diffrences. The only war I like is the card game... I wish that we could fight diffrently. Like set up a boxing ring, One Terrorist against a Anti-terrorist, duking it out until k.o. They would necessarly die, but fight with pride and of course, the Anti-terrorist (us) would win... wouldn't that be great. Even though, I am a woman, I would definatly like to take a shot at Osama in the ring. 360 round kick to his dome would definatly make him see stars.
Florida is now a like a trash dump, families without homes, fatalities, etc. My heart goes out to the families there who have lost almost everything. My point in this, We are spending billions and billions of dollars in another country to rebuild it, only to have the some Iraqies blow them back up... so we are technically wasting money.
We need to rebuild the homes in flordia INSTEAD of Iraq. I am sorry if this may offend anyone, but we need to take care of ourselves before we go and Mother some other country that doesn't want help.
I wish we could all just get along, not get jealous for what other have, and compromise. What is so hard about that? Why do we need to resort to war? To murder or be murdered, that isn't the question nor a good answer to me.
I know that alot of our men and women over seas WANTED to protect us after 9-11, wanted Osama's head, wanted justice for the 3,000 + men and women who lost their lives that autumn day. I honor them, and respect them for their decisions to protect the home land. I think they got more than they bargained for.
My grandfather fought in Korea war, my uncles in Vietnam... and what they would tell me about the war is that it would give even Satan nightmares. And that they were wars that shouldn't have happened. As this war. There are better ways to confront diffrences. The only war I like is the card game... I wish that we could fight diffrently. Like set up a boxing ring, One Terrorist against a Anti-terrorist, duking it out until k.o. They would necessarly die, but fight with pride and of course, the Anti-terrorist (us) would win... wouldn't that be great. Even though, I am a woman, I would definatly like to take a shot at Osama in the ring. 360 round kick to his dome would definatly make him see stars.
oops, i meant that "they wouldn't necessarly die"
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Ok, well, I was watching tv last night flippin' through the channels stopping at the vp debate and then I seen Hurricane Summer on the discovery channel...
That reminds me of the remark ex-president Carter made about Bush's "Hurricane Machine" he says Bush is using to make hurricanes hit FL.
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Florida is now a like a trash dump, families without homes, fatalities, etc. My heart goes out to the families there who have lost almost everything. My point in this, We are spending billions and billions of dollars in another country to rebuild it, only to have the some Iraqies blow them back up... so we are technically wasting money.
Yeah, my dad and a few good friends live there, I went to college there so I know quite a few people in the Melbourne area. One of my friends called me to have me send gas cans overnight by mail two days before the last one hit... can you believe the mail was still running!?
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We need to rebuild the homes in flordia INSTEAD of Iraq. I am sorry if this may offend anyone, but we need to take care of ourselves before we go and Mother some other country that doesn't want help.
Well, it's my opinion that people want to be free from tyranny in any form. And I wonder what your opinion on needing to take care of ourselves would be if you were being forced to wear a veil.
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I wish we could all just get along, not get jealous for what other have, and compromise. What is so hard about that? Why do we need to resort to war? To murder or be murdered, that isn't the question nor a good answer to me.
Me too!! I agree except that some people are, and they try to kill us, and they won't stop until their dead. I wonder if any passengers on those planes that flew into WTC tried the "hug a terrorst today" approach, probably not or maybe the planes wouldn't have been blown up? I would much rather people love and respect each other too.
It's sad, but ours is a world governed by the agressive use of force. All the people of the world can do is try to make the strongest agressive force a force for goodness and freedom, like I believe we try to do here.
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