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HAJiME
This is old, but it's struck me that few board members know anything about Oliver. Photos have cropped up all over the board and no one seems to know a thing... So here i am with random, useless, but interesting information about that 'Mutant Chimp.'

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A chimp or a mutation? A half-human 'missing-link' or simply genetically diseased? After tracking Oliver for over a decade, cryptozoological detective Dr. Karl Shuker is able, at last, to reveal his identity.


http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/creatures/article.htm

http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/creatures/olivera.htm

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magic charm
There was a documentary on discovery channel, and they found out that he is or was chipanzee and not human at all, he just happend to look different. He had quite a rough life until a man rescued him and gave him the life he deserved, thats all about i know if it comes on again i will let you know original.gif
ROGER
alien.gif Very interesting reading. Ive been reading about world odditys since
the 7 th grade but i don remember anything on Oliver. How ever as with other
different ,but inteligent creatures we share our planet with, we exploit, use, then abandon any thing that is different.
I hope they never find BIG FOOT, never find life in space , and never learn the laguage of the dalphins. We are the most frightnig creaters any where. Look how we treat each other.
HAJiME
I saw the show on UK T.V magic charm, i dont have sky and stuff... Yes i remember the outcome also, but a interesting document all the same.
mr_halo

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http://www.rotten.com/library/cryptozoology/humanzee/

Deimos
[quote=HAJiME,Sep 20 2004, 12:23 PM]
This is old, but it's struck me that few board members know anything about Oliver. Photos have cropped up all over the board and no one seems to know a thing... So here i am with random, useless, but interesting information about that 'Mutant Chimp.'

Yeah, I heard that the chimp made sexual advances on his human owner, nad he took more interest in humans than chimps. That's creepy blink.gif
ROGER
alien.gif I dont know, depends on what she looked like. wub.gif
Deimos
QUOTE(ROGER @ Sep 20 2004, 09:53 PM)
alien.gif I dont know, depends on what she looked like.  wub.gif
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Yeah, but the fact that a chimp was intested in a human is strange... blink.gif
I don't know, maybe I find it so gross because I hate chimps in the first place...
Cobalt Demon
FINALLY someone who doesnt think monkeys are adorable! LOL! I have never find any kind of monkey attractive beside few certain kind such as spider monkey from south america and Lemurs.

However I am glad to heard that Oliver got put in a good home though.
Druidus
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FINALLY someone who doesnt think monkeys are adorable


Chimps aren't monkeys. They're primates like us. thumbsup.gif


Technically, it would be possible for a human and a chimp to cross-breed, however, the offspring would almost certainly be sterile, and would have little chance of being concieved to begin with.
HAJiME
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Chimps aren't monkeys. They're primates like us.

...so are monkeys.

In fact, there was a big debate once as to weather or not eleplants are primates. The primate definition actually just mentions having a usable 'thumb' and the elephants trunk with considered as a thumb...blah blah blah. But thats just the slipperly slope of doom again.......

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Technically, it would be possible for a human and a chimp to cross-breed, however, the offspring would almost certainly be sterile, and would have little chance of being concieved to begin with.

Yea, thats my opinion. Theory has it that hybrids have been born, but have all died... It wouldnnt suprise me. I can see a female chimp giving birth to a hybrid chimp/human and the rest of the pack (or whatever a group fo chimps are called) ripping the baby to shreads... Then we humans find the remains and are all disgusted. =/

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Yeah, I heard that the chimp made sexual advances on his human owner, nad he took more interest in humans than chimps. That's creepy

Well, i've had a male german sheppard dog try and mount me... =/ Animals are like that, but the fact that it is a chimp is kinda freaky... Them being so human like 'en all, you just expect them to be a little more.... humane i guess.
Apocalyptic Cryptid
I hate apes and monkeys.....sorry but i dont really care weather its human or not..... was interesting though...... just dont like primates.....PRIMATES..... thumbsup.gif
Erikl
Chimps and Humans can cross-breed, just like a lion and a tiger can, and just like a horse and an ass can. But the offspring will not be tretile.
Also, it is more reasonable that a female human will give birth to a chimps-human hybrid than a female chimps will - the size of the hybrid will be too big for the chimp to handle.
Talon
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...so are monkeys..


NO their Apes. Like Humans.

Druidus
Apes is what I meant...
grc
Can we please stop the chimp...monkey...primates...apes thing? wacko.gif
Deimos
QUOTE(Druidus @ Sep 21 2004, 12:46 PM)
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FINALLY someone who doesnt think monkeys are adorable


Chimps aren't monkeys. They're primates like us. thumbsup.gif


Technically, it would be possible for a human and a chimp to cross-breed, however, the offspring would almost certainly be sterile, and would have little chance of being concieved to begin with.
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do we have tails? No.Do chimps have tails? no. Chimps are one of the great apes, not primates. WE are not primates.
Druidus
They are Great Apes, like us, but also, thet are primates, like us.
ironjennyrackham
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I hate apes and monkeys.....sorry but i dont really care weather its human or not..... was interesting though...... just dont like primates.....PRIMATES.....


I'm right there with you--I don't know why, but for years and years I have just HATED monkeys (and chimps and apes and primates and gorillas)--and i think the babies are UG-LY!
Druidus
You do realize you are dissing yourselves? You are a primate! laugh.gif
Althalus
Can we get back to topic please.

Thank You.

I was led to believe that Oliver had altsiemers and that was why he acted and looked the way he did.
Druidus
Alzheimers? I doubt it. I know of one other chimp who walks on two feet. I know him personally, actually. He lives in the Gombe Preserve, and that is where I met him. He does it because he was kept in a very small cage in a store, somewhere in middle Africa. It was too small for him to sit, or lie down, so he was always standing, until night, when the owner of the store put him in a slightly bigger cage, so he could lie down. Now, his muscles are changed, and he finds it hard to walk on all fours, so he walks on two legs. They do have a rehabilitation program going on for him, however.
schadeaux
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Swett asked Chicago University geneticist Dr David Ledbetter to examine Oliver's chromosomes, which he did in autumn 1996. His studies revealed that Oliver had 48, not 47, chromosomes, thus disproving the earlier claim and confirming that he had a normal chromosome count for a chimpanzee. Swett, however, desired further analyses to pin-point Oliver's precise status. Accordingly, he persuaded DNA analysis expert Dr John fly from Texas's Trinity University and cytogeneticist Dr Charleen Moore from Texas University's Health Science Center to conduct the most extensive genetic studies ever undertaken with Oliver. Their results were published in 1998 by the American Journal of Physical Anthropology and disclosed the following.

Standard chromosomal studies fully supported Ledbetter's findings that Oliver had the diploid chromesome count expected for chimpanzees (i.e. 48 or 24 pairs). They also revealed that his chromosomes possessed banding patterns typical for the common chimpanzee but different from those of humans and bonobos, thereby excluding any possibility of Oliver being a hybrid.

Moreover, when they sequenced a specific portion (312 bp region) of the D-loop region of Oliver's mitochondrial DNA they discovered that its sequence corresponded very closely indeed with that of the Central African subspecies of common chimpanzee; the closest correspondence of all was with a chimp specimen from Gabon in Central-West Africa. This all strongly suggests that Oliver also originated from this region and is simply a common chimp - an identity entirely consistent, therefore, with my own little-publicised opinion from 1993.

After decades of mystery, Oliver's identity had finally been uncovered, exposed by his genes. But what of his external idiosyncrasies? Fly and Moore's paper contained some eye-opening infermation dating back to the 1970s, but which was presumably not sensational enough to attract the interest of the media and thus had not previously received publicity.

For instance, although media accounts had noted that Oliver was toothless (his teeth had been pulled), they had not revealed that primatologist Dr Clifford Jolly had examined Oliver as long ago as 1976. Jolly found that Oliver did not share the strikingly prognathous (projecting) jaw line of other chimps due to resorption of the alveolar bone, a shortened maxilla and premaxilla (upper jaw bones), and underdeveloped temporal musculature. Jolly had concluded that these features were in turn caused by Oliver's toothless condition. He also concluded that Oliver's habitual bipedal gait was due to conditioning.

As for Oliver's cranial morphology, ear shape, freckles and baldness, these were nothing more than individual variations, well within the range of variability exhibited by the common chimpanzee - a species that presents, in the words of primatologist Professor W.C. Osman Hill: "a bewildering variety of individual variations".

Although no longer special in taxonomic terms, Oliver is destined forever to remain a classic example of how media hype and sensationalist publicity can create with Frankensteinian fervour a veritable monster from the most mundane of animals.


OLIVER'S NO GENE GENIE

I have seen many articles about Oliver and his questionable ancestry, but most all conclude that he is simply an unusual chimp, nothing more.
ironjennyrackham
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You do realize you are dissing yourselves? You are a primate!

While we are all related, Monkeys apes and primates are not HUMANS!! and i think that is what we are all getting at...technicalities...some people are too nit-picky...
Druidus
It's not that hard to grasp. This is my last post on the topic, as it is off-topic. You see, all monkeys, lemurs, and apes are primates. Monkeys are the only monkeys, lemurs are the only lemurs, and apes are the only apes. Those last three are not interchangeable. A chimp cannot be a monkey, and a baboon cannot be an ape. Is that so hard?

I never once said that monkeys and the other apes are human. I am definately aware of the distinct difference in species. However, we are apes, as well as primates. Monkeys are not apes, although they are primates.

Understand? thumbsup.gif
TheJosh
I saw the documentary on the Disc Channel too, they did a DNA test and it conclusively revealed that it was a full blooded chimp. Maybe it's the direction chimps will eventually evolve to. Fascinating no matter what.
ironjennyrackham
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some people are too nit-picky...


thanks for validating.....
kosunina
Oh yea I remember seeing him. Creepy think is ya ask me walking on his legs like that. They did DNA testing on him, he's just a REALLY REALLY REALLY rare chimp. I heard his in San Antonio's Ape Palace right now. He was still alive last I heard.
Canadian Rottweiler
:alien:This is an ape/human.I know it is genuine because it was on Animal planet a while ago.His name is Oliver.It has been raised from a baby.Many scientists say that this is the missing link between apes and humans.It has the strength of an ape and the hair of an ape,but walks upright like a human.It is not interested in female apes,it is interested in female women.It's about six feet tall and about 400 lbs.It can figure out problems that other apes can't,like puzzles and human games.Also knows how to use a fork.Dislikes male monkeys and male humans.Scientists are now doing DNA testing on him.
Talon
There was only a thread on this like... 2 days ago.

And humans are apes.
Panthera leo atrox
The most recent tests show that Oliver is just a really weird chimp.
Talon
Of course he's just a chimp, just has been taught how to walk on hind legs. Any theory that claims that a chimp walking on its hind legs must be a half breed is nuts.
Deimos
QUOTE(Talon S. @ Sep 26 2004, 04:57 PM)
There was only a thread on this like... 2 days ago.

And humans are apes.
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He's right.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=22660
Canadian Rottweiler
alien.gif This "ape" has not been taught to walk on it's hind legs,When it was discovered,it walked like this to begin with.Also,humans are primates,but this creature could be inbetween humans and apes,therefore,making him a missing link.He is not a chimp,at the moment he is an unidentified creature,which could even turn out that he is a sasquatch. w00t.gif
Talon
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Also,humans are primates,but this creature could be inbetween humans and apes


Humans are apes. Primate is the group which includes lemurs, monkeys, and apes.
Canadian Rottweiler
wacko.gif So what your saying is that this 6 foot tall,400lb creature is a chimp or some regular monkey? wacko.gif If you look at the creature,then you will be able to tell that this is no regular monkey,it fits the description of a sasquatch more than what you just said. tongue.gif
Talon
Chimps are not monkeys.
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