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Novo
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Five years ago, Chris Loarie invented a product that stops skateboarders in their tracks. He's been paying for it ever since.

Loarie's Skatestopper, a device that keeps skateboarders off curbs and makes it impossible to slide down handrails, has been embraced by thousands of customers. To store owners, school administrators and anyone else who doesn't like skateboarders hanging around public places or scratching up property, it's a great product.

But success has been a mixed blessing for Loarie, a native San Diegan whose company, Intellicept, is based in East County. Skateboarders have sent him tens of thousands of hate messages and occasional death threats for years. They come in the mail, by phone and over the Internet.

Skateboarders have tried to assault Loarie, and the FBI once had to track down a 14-year-old who threatened to bomb his company.

"He is, basically, the enemy of skateboarding," said Dave Swift, the former editor of Transworld Skateboarding magazine.

Loarie's standing as skateboarding's antichrist owes a lot to an unintended consequence of good marketing. He is not the only person to make a business selling so-called skate deterrents: the SkateBlock and SkateAbate products are similar to Skatestoppers and accomplish the same thing.

But the name Skatestoppers has become to the anti-skateboarding movement what Xerox is to photocopies, and skateboarders have channeled their hatred toward Loarie.

"I feel sorry for Chris because he does seem to take more of the backlash than we do," said Steve Mace, an owner of Ravensforge, which makes SkateBlock. "I don't know why. But I'm not going to argue with it."

Hate mail and threats have not stopped Loarie. About 400,000 of his Skatestoppers have been installed around the country. And as skateboarders have figured out new ways to remove them, Loarie has been equally crafty in making them (almost) tamper-proof.

The Skatestopper is a metal bracket that is attached to fixtures – say, a marble bench. Once fastened, the brackets become a series of bumps along the smooth surface, rendering it unrideable.

Much of Loarie's hate mail sounds the same: Why does he hate skateboarders so much? Was he an abused child? Why does he have to be such a money-grubbing capitalist? One letter calls Skatestoppers "the most heartbreaking tool or weapon against the world."

Perhaps the loftiest accusation, voiced in a number of letters, is that by discouraging skateboarding Loarie is encouraging teenage delinquency and drug use.

"Skateboarding is and always will be better than drugs, prostitution, and robbery," David Schleith wrote in a recent e-mail.

Mostly, skateboarders warn Loarie that his efforts are for naught, and their letters often include intricate directions for disabling or destroying Skatestoppers.

"Your product seems to work well, other than the fact that it completely sucks," Jon wrote in a handwritten letter addressed to "Dearest Skatestoppers."

He continued: "Your product is easily cut of (sic) with a simple hack saw. You may think that you now need to make something newer and better, but it will never matter."

They're not bluffing. Skateboarders routinely conduct guerrilla missions to remove what they call "Nazi knobs" from their favorite skate spots. They use saws and power tools, and sometimes cellular phones to connect the demolisher to the lookout.

"One dude cuts and one dude's watching and one dude is ready to run with the generator," said Rob Dyrdek, a professional skateboarder who admits to removing Skatestoppers. "It's pretty ridiculous."

Once, while Loarie was installing Skatestoppers at a school in Orange County, a young skateboarder walked up to say he'd be back to tear them out over the weekend. Later, Loarie said, the Skatestoppers had been hacked off and human feces smeared across the wall. Three weeks later, Loarie installed a new kind of Skatestopper with an experimental anchoring system.

"I'm pretty sure they're still there," he said.

As the battle rages, it's tough to find a skateboarder who doesn't break into expletives at the mere mention of Skatestoppers. Few can fathom what has turned Loarie into what they see as an opportunist and a miser who hates children. Several skateboarders contacted for this story asked the same question: "Is he, like, a normal guy?"

Loarie, 33, grew up in San Diego County. He attended San Dieguito High School and is married with two young children. Before he invented Skatestoppers, Loarie worked for a company that manufactured electric vehicles and, later, a manufacturer of anti-theft systems for shopping carts.

Loarie founded Intellicept in 1998 after his brother, a police officer in Escondido, complained that he was spending much of his time chasing skateboarders away from a local church.

The first Skatestoppers were fairly crude and made from plastic. They were removed with ease, so Loarie worked on a metal product that is drilled into the concrete.

As the business grew, skateboarders took notice and Skatestoppers' phone number and e-mail address were printed in several skateboard magazines, along with notes encouraging skateboarders to contact the company.

Swift, the former magazine editor, said he doesn't apologize for publishing Skatestoppers' contact information.

"It was in our power to get this guy to kind of shy away from what he was doing," Swift said.

For his part, Loarie said he never set out to be a killjoy.

"I don't wake up every day with the intention of ruining some kid's afternoon," he said. "If we weren't doing this, somebody else would."

All the vitriol has forced Loarie to make some changes in his personal and professional lives. His home number is no longer listed, and Loarie and his wife have developed a new system for dealing with adolescent callers at Intellicept.

"Someone will call up and say, 'I put Skatestoppers in. I need the key to get them out,' " Loarie said. No such key exists, "so I say, 'I'm the granite guy. Let me transfer you to the concrete guy,' " he said.

At that point, callers are put on hold indefinitely, especially if the call is long-distance.

Not everyone is treated so playfully. Loarie threatened legal action after his company's booth was defiled at a 2000 parks and recreation trade show that was well-attended by skate park builders.

In that incident, two skateboarders approached him with a video camera and requested an interview. Loarie declined, so the pair loaded a 44-ounce cup with a cocktail of Slurpee and Mountain Dew. Hoping to draw him into a fist fight, one poured the liquid on Loarie's booth while the other filmed from a distance. Loarie grabbed the drink pourer by the arm, but both skateboarders took off. Weeks later, the video ended up on a skateboarding Web site.

"He sent me a cease-and-desist letter, so I took it off my site and I haven't heard anything about it since," said Louie Baur, who filmed the incident.

In retrospect, Baur said his stunt was "pretty weak." Had it turned violent, Baur said, the incident would have been worth filming.

Things got more serious in early 2001, when Loarie's brother received an especially threatening e-mail sent to Skatestoppers. The author of the message claimed to know where the company was, and subsequent messages from the same address detailed a plot to bomb the office.

Loarie disguised his storefront and passed on the messages to local law enforcement officials, who turned them over to the FBI. Authorities tracked the messages to a young skateboarder whom Loarie described as "some 14-year-old in Michigan." FBI Agent John Caruthers, who was assigned to the case, confirmed that the event took place as described but declined to comment further.

Intellicept's manufacturing facility is filled with loud machines that cut raw metal and turn it into Skatestoppers. Silver shavings cover the floor. On a recent tour, Loarie described the Skatestopper's evolution from the original plastic caps to the newer metal pieces and a line of custom-made screws designed to withstand the crushing blow of a sledgehammer-wielding skateboarder.

The most basic kit starts at 20 pieces for $100 and gets progressively more expensive.

Loarie is tireless when it comes to new designs, such as a line of decorative Skatestoppers that resemble things such as cable cars and sea shells.

On a computer screen in his office, Loarie showed off a forthcoming Skatestopper he calls the "future of skate deterrents." The piece, made from aircraft-grade aluminum, looks like a mooring with deep anchors and can be installed directly into wet concrete, making it impossible to remove without destroying the bench or curb in which it is imbedded.

But for now, skateboarders continue to find ways around Skatestoppers.

Eric Dill, a loss control analyst for San Dieguito High School – Loarie's alma mater – said a group of skateboarders recently removed a batch of Skatestoppers and then used quick-dry cement to repair the damage.

"It's kind of funny," Dill said. "They did such a good job, we left it as is."



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so this is where hitler was reincarnated... makes sense laugh.gif

Edit- Fixed link
-UA
Dancing_Dumplings
crying.gif he is satan!! crying.gif ok maybe not...but some people dont mind skaters. and its not like every state can have a skate park....thats a lot of money and space. besides its entertianing to watch them fall tongue.gif
Fluffybunny
So it is Ok to destroy another persons private property?

Isn't it fairly clear that if someone went to the trouble to install devices to keep people from skateboarding on their own property(and getting injured...and eventually suing) that people should respect that?

Dancing_Dumplings
peoples private property is diffrent. but im talkin bout the hand rails outside someones store or where ever. or in a park, or the curbs outside your house.
well no wonder the kids are ripping up these things...they are just pieces of metal with a bolt through it.
Fluffybunny
My business/store wherehouse is my private property though...All businesses are owned by someone. When people run around and tear up handrails, and cement blocks by repeatedly grinding over them then the owner of that property has to repair them, costing money.

Also, the parents of people who get injured on private property(skating/riding/whatever) can very often turn around and sue for damages; hence all of the "no skateboarding" signs. Still people sue and companies end up settling to avoid court fees. The reason why skate parks are fading away is from the expense of repairs and the fear of litigation that has put so many skateparks out of business.

It is no different that throwing a rock through a window.
Dancing_Dumplings
yeah i know ur store is private prop, but parks arent., or the curbs on the side of the road. sure you can install these things....but the skaters will just find someway of getting around them.
and parents who sue store owners becuase their kids stake are idiots....if you skate your gonna get burned and hurt. no matter how hard you try your gonna get hurt. parents should relize that, even the pros get trashed.
ive seen some kind of diffrent stake stopper. they were on some benches. they were metal ribbed strips that ran all the way down the bench. if you want a skate stoppter get something like that. something that cant be removed.
AztecInca

Lol! This is just stupid, its only skateboarding, its fun and is a great sport, some even have made a life out of it, but some take it too far, attcking, death threats, geez skaters calm down, there are still many places to skate u know!
Novo
I hate to break it to you burnside, but in the 5 years I have been skating I have NEVER seen a curb messed up. I have seen paint get on handrails, but thats nothing a wet rag cant get off.
-S&A
Janiel
hmmm, i thinks i should buy some.....

skaters bug me, not all, just the steriotypical ones.....
moe eubleck
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skaters bug me

skater rule ! Especially when they fall down and break stuff. They are a very entertaining species.

If they bug you just remember, they can be pushed off.

This is why there is no real need for skate stopper. They oughtta just hire "skate pushers".
Janiel
QUOTE(moe eubleck @ Sep 22 2004, 07:08 AM)
This is why there is no real need for skate stopper. They oughtta just hire "skate pushers".
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i would sign up for that job in an instant grin2.gif
Redneck
My old man had a "skateboarder stopper" too - a T-ball bat.
BurnSide
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 22 2004, 07:22 AM)
I hate to break it to you burnside, but in the 5 years I have been skating I have NEVER seen a curb messed up.  I have seen paint get on handrails, but thats nothing a wet rag cant get off.
-S&A
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What!? Why was i mentioned i haven't made a comment on this!!

??


Anyway, now i will. Skateboarding is awesome. However, private property is private property, and as far as i'm concerned, if you damage property with stakeboarding, you should have your own property damaged in return. The city is no different. Such things like handrails where but there by the city and not for skating use. Obviously skating on benches and such offends people enough to spend money protecting that you you should respect the wishes of others. Otherwise you're just a rude ignorant prick with a board. Nough said.
Novo
why pray tell should we skate?
BurnSide
Why? Because it's fun.
Where? Skate Parks, roads, sidewalks, places where travel generally goes. People don't walk on benches and handrails, it's not what they're for and as such it's vandalism.
Fluffybunny
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 22 2004, 01:57 PM)
why pray tell should we skate?
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I have no idea why.
Novo
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Sep 22 2004, 09:59 PM)
Why? Because it's fun.
Where? Skate Parks, roads, sidewalks, places where travel generally goes. People don't walk on benches and handrails, it's not what they're for and as such it's vandalism.
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and what if there are no skateparks?
BurnSide
As i said, roads, sidewalks, general areas where travel is permited. Not on other peoples property or on something that isn't yours to skate on.

Look, the simple fact that you're arguing this goes a long way to show what kind of character you are. Why do you feel the need to damage property that isn't yours so bad?
Fluffybunny
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Look, the simple fact that you're arguing this goes a long way to show what kind of character you are. Why do you feel the need to damage property that isn't yours so bad?


Spoiled kids with too much time on their hands and entitlement issues...The same thing goes for the little criminals that run around spray painting everything in sight with spray paint...
BurnSide
Yeah. *shakes head* No respect these days.
PolkaTulk
fluffy, skateboarding shouldnt be compared to spraypainting. thats just stupid
BurnSide
No, it isn't. Both harm the property of others, both is a fun pastime for disrespectful youths.
PolkaTulk
all right, i gotta go, but ill be back later to argue with you


SKATEBOARDS!!!

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BurnSide
As i've said, i love skateboarding. I think it's great. The only thing you're arguing is that it's great to damage other peoples property. Which i have to say, gives me a very low opinion of you.
Novo
I dont damage private property, at least not while im skateboarding. If I EVER damage any private property its not for my amusement. I dont spray paint stuff and I dont burn down buildings, I skateboard WHERE ever I can. I ruin state property, wich Im all for anyway. If I break something I tend to fix it. Because theres only 2 skatespots within a 4 hour drive of my home, the school(never broke anything, or left any marks on the rails) and the park(only place w/ cement nothing to really do there though).
BurnSide
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 22 2004, 07:09 PM)
I ruin state property, wich Im all  for anyway. [right][snapback]276284[/snapback][/right]


[edit] no matter what i say it's gonna be offensive.
Novo
Im asking for it, so pm me.
BurnSide
*nods*
PolkaTulk
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The only thing you're arguing is that it's great to damage other peoples property.


ok....no. what im trying to say is that skateboarding is definately not the same as spraypainting buildings. skateboarders dont skate just to break stuff or vandalize.
spraypainting a wall is intentionally ruining something for your pleasure. skateboarding is a fun hobby. sometimes things get scratched.

trust me, the last thing im thinking when i go out skating is, "i wonder what i can break"
BurnSide
Good. Then you're different to S&A, who happily ruins state property, which he's all for anyway.
Skateboarding is great. If you don't get in someone elses way, or ruin some elses property.
Disinterested
So destroying property is ok, is that where we stand?

Even if it belongs to "the state"?
Novo
I dont destroy state property when I skate. who likes to skate on ammunition crates? we all know what I was referring to. anyway,I have to answer a pm from burnsy so I'll finish this in a minute.
Disinterested
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 23 2004, 01:39 AM)
I dont destroy state property when I skate.[right][snapback]276284[/snapback][/right]


QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 23 2004, 12:09 AM)
I ruin state property, wich Im all  for anyway. [right][snapback]276284[/snapback][/right]


huh.gif

Sounds to me like you destroy property.
Novo
QUOTE(Disinterested @ Sep 23 2004, 01:42 AM)
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 23 2004, 01:39 AM)
I dont destroy state property when I skate.[right][snapback]276284[/snapback][/right]


QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 23 2004, 12:09 AM)
I ruin state property, wich Im all  for anyway. [right][snapback]276284[/snapback][/right]


huh.gif

Sounds to me like you destroy property.
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w00t.gif now really?
Disinterested
Dude, you just completely contradicted yourself.

Do you, or do you not ruin property when you skate?
Novo
QUOTE(Disinterested @ Sep 23 2004, 01:45 AM)
Dude, you just completely contradicted yourself.

Do you, or do you not ruin property when you skate?
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I generally dont have the intention to destroy anything when im skating.
Pieces of wood with wheels tend to break easily, and considering a skateboard can run me into the 100's of dollars Im cautious as it is.
Nethius
there are no rules when it comes to skating, it's all about freedom! so what if i darken a curb a bit, there's a hell of a lot worse stuff i could be doing!
Janiel
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 22 2004, 02:44 PM)
QUOTE(Disinterested @ Sep 23 2004, 01:42 AM)
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 23 2004, 01:39 AM)
I dont destroy state property when I skate.[right][snapback]276284[/snapback][/right]


QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 23 2004, 12:09 AM)
I ruin state property, wich Im all  for anyway. [right][snapback]276284[/snapback][/right]


huh.gif

Sounds to me like you destroy property.
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w00t.gif now really?
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wtf? huh.gif
that was the biggest contradiction i've ever seen.....
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I generally dont have the intention to destroy anything when im skating.
Pieces of wood with wheels tend to break easily, and considering a skateboard can run me into the 100's of dollars Im cautious as it is.


but above you said...
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I ruin state property

now i am too confused....
Celumnaz
State, county, school, city, federal property are all paid for by me, the taxpayer. It costs me money. You know how drug dealers get when you mess with their money? Well, we're not drug dealers, we're adults that work for a living and you're messing with our back pockets even as we feed, educate, and clothe you. Ungrateful little urchins!
Novo
Right, and if the billions of dollars spent on WAR went torwards the actual welfare of our country
1.We would have lower taxes
2.The public education system could afford to hire Real Live Acredited teachers.
3.More drug rehabilition
what im getting at is that I destroy state property that is used to harms other people, I do this with a crow bar my hands or whatever large bulky object will help to dismantle it. I dont destroy stuff when I skate, I made that pretty clear several times. wich would you rather do? have a orphan starve to death because bush cut funding to social services and orphanges to pay off the 200 billion dollar debt, or accuse me of being a urchin because you *assumed* I destroyed rails and benches?
bite me.
Novo
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Sep 23 2004, 08:29 PM)
State, county, school, city, federal property are all paid for by me, the taxpayer.  It costs me money.  You know how drug dealers get when you mess with their money?  Well, we're not drug dealers, we're adults that work for a living and you're messing with our back pockets even as we feed, educate, and clothe you.  Ungrateful little urchins!
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Oh, I forgot to mention.
I pay for most of my own food, educate myself *I have explained this in other threads* and I purchase the bulk of my own clothes.
I dont have a constant source of income, but really I didnt know you helped me and my grandparents pay this months bills.
Send more money please, because my parents sure as hell dont.
Celumnaz
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 23 2004, 04:29 PM)
Right, and if the billions of dollars spent on WAR went torwards the actual welfare of our country
1.We would have lower taxes
2.The public education system could afford to hire Real Live Acredited teachers.
3.More drug rehabilition
what im getting at is that I destroy state property that is used to harms other people, I do this with a crow bar my hands or whatever large bulky object will help to dismantle it. I dont destroy stuff when I skate, I made that pretty clear several times. wich would you rather do? have a orphan starve to death because bush cut funding to social services and orphanges to pay off the 200 billion dollar debt, or accuse me of being a urchin because you *assumed* I destroyed rails and benches?
bite me.
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Sounds so much like myself when I was under 21. I was criminal at times back then too. Before I was 18 I had lived in 7 countries, been on both sides of the law, been homeless and lived in a mansion, Goth and Hippy, worshiped Satan, Myself, God, and followed Taoism among other things... even got kicked out of the state of Texas until I was 21. And I had all the answers. Then I grew up.
College really filled my head full of BS, I thought I knew it all then too.

Whatever I say you can deny, I don't know you, but I recognize rebellious youth.
You pay for most, not all. You live with your grandmother. You have access to a computer... you're not responsible for adult things yet. Your parents, your grandmother, me, anyone who pays taxes is paying for the property you're destroying. Unless you pay taxes, I don't know if you can understand it.

If it wasn't for war, you wouldn't have the freedoms you're enjoying and taking advantage of, like the terrorists do. Go tell the families of those that have died that their death was pointless. Not pointless, their death is justified in that war is evil and they got what they deserved. Go tell the ones that escape their countries to come here for a better way of life.

The public education system has been a mess for many many years. We spend more per kid than almost... probably any country, yet it's failing. It has much less to do with money, and more to do with society. Bad parents and the disrespectful urchins they spawn and the entitlement mentality.

More drug rehabilitation... well... I'm for legalization... so... dunno... spend spend spend though!!

What are you getting at? You destroy state property that harms people? What property is that? And a smash job like all the other vandals do gives what message again? State officials think it's clever, how again?

This is so silly. Did they teach you about friction and entropy in school? Do you know the concept of one person throwing a peice of paper on the ground compared to 1000 people throwing just one peice of paper on the ground? When you ride on something, it wears it down, makes it weaker until it needs to be replaced, costing labor, expense, and time not spent fixing something else.

This causes debt, debt means your orphan isn't getting what she needs. Wether it's skating or just deliberate vandalism, you're now killing orphans. Feel better?

Anyway, I know. You're right, I'm wrong. I know, I know, I've been there. Probably would have had fun together during my beach bum in miami days, maybe not, they included guns...

No need to bite you, I like my flesh at least partially cooked. What a freaking grumpy geezer I'm turning out to be. sad.gif
Novo
NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ADULT THINGS? your serious? and the adults of the world are doing such a WONDERFUL f***ing job?
your right, im so immature doing things like
  • Organizing Animal Rights Demos
  • Working At A Soup Kitchen
  • Helping To Rehabilate Alcoholic Friends
  • Helping MY father, take care of his 2 children
  • Dealing with a mom, who makes 26k a year (not to mention almost 50k in jobs painting houses) yet cant send my grandparents 100 dollars a month to help pay for stuff
  • Folding Towls, Mowing grass, Picking up Walnuts, Cleaning the vehicles , Babysitting , Sweeping , Vacuuming , Washing Dishes, Drying Dishes, Putting Dishes Away
  • Loaning my father money
  • Cleaning vacumming ect my fathers house
  • Helping the brother of a friend who just died of Brain cancer
  • Participating in protests
  • Reading 90% of the new legislature in my state
  • Helping homeless/in debt people at the kitchen organize there finances
  • Various activities related to the Elf,Alf, and Uglf
dont tell me I cant deal with adult activities, I know exactly what goes on around me on a daily basis. If your *GREATEST* fear is that some hooligan kid (like me) will damage a bench or a ledge then you need to assess your prioritys.
Celumnaz
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 23 2004, 05:39 PM)
Jesus christ, im 14 I cant pay for EVERYTHING. If I had some sort of part time job that didnt require alot of luck to find I probably could, I dont like living off of other people. Its not exactly a preferable thing. Dont judge me before you know me, I dont claim to know all the answers. Im not saying the abolition of government is the only way to achieve peace, but it is one at least viable solution. Whilst you sit at home and insult people who actully give a sh**, do you realize theres a child dieing of starvation ever 1.2 seconds? or that over 40 animals are slaughtered ever 10? a homocide is commited every 4, that soldiers are over seas fighting not for your freedom but because its what they have been told to do. You cant deny the war in iraq is unjust, this isnt about freeing anyone. one bullet could have took saddam from power, I dont feel like argueing with you but for every person like you I have met who has been through this that and everything else I have met 2 people who have done the same thing and kept a grasp on what there working torwards.
never mind, dont bite me.
shut the hell up.  thumbsup.gif
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Sorry, didn't realize you were only 14. Thought you were just a few years older, which is a compliment!
QUOTE(Student&Alive @ Sep 23 2004, 05:39 PM)
Whilst you sit at home and insult people who actully give a sh**, do you realize theres a child dieing of starvation ever 1.2 seconds? or that over 40 animals are slaughtered ever 10? a homocide is commited every 4, that soldiers are over seas fighting not for your freedom but because its what they have been told to do.

Whilst I sit here at work, waiting for this batch of files to finish, I know I've made my little contribution to keeping people's electricity and heating running. I've pitched in through my taxes taken out of my paycheck to keep society in working order (supposedly, I'm pretty anti govt myself). I do this.
While you're skating and destroying property, what are you doing to help the starving children? I'm trying to provide electricity to store food. While you're skating and destroying property, what are you doing to help slaughtered animals, homicides? I'm putting money into our police to catch murderers, I'm putting money into research to help these animals. (wether I want to or not. dang social programs.)
I don't know any soldier that wouldn't get red in the face if you told him he was not fighting for your freedom, but being someone's patsy.

Shutting up now, I realize I've gone too far. And I sincerely apologize for calling you any names, like urchin or vandal. I'm sorry. Be well, be at peace. I do think you're a decent guy. Sorry.
Novo
I actully edited my above post to be more detailed. Anyway Im a anarchist if you were unaware, theres already several threads on it.
here and here
PolkaTulk
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I dont destroy stuff when I skate, I made that pretty clear several times.

yes, you did:
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I ruin state property, wich Im all  for anyway.


seriously S&A, how many personalities are you currently juggling?
Novo
No matter what I say, tulls still a dumbass.
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Celumnaz
Wow, I believed in anarchy too at one point hehe. Guess I'll read those if I can. Thanks =)
Universal Absurdity
Well, i can see this marvelous addition to the forum is going nowhere

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