Hi Guy's

Let me explain my self when I was kid and my father was stationed out in Saudi Arabia I used to have friend a muslim a cool guy ...but he was not a Saudi arabian but a Kashmiri well any His father told me story that after jesus was crucified on the cross and was resurrected (to cut long story) left and lived in kashmir lived a normal life ... lived up 120 years.

When I was india couple years back I travelled to kashmir and you know what I saw the shrine the say jesus is buried in ...which the locals say its his final burial place. When I came back home I told my friends about this they just laughed...Well anyway a couple weeks I sore documentary that speculated jesus was buried in kashmir.

What do you say...

I thought - as the book the bible says - that after 3 days of preaching and letting everyone see he had been resurrected, Jesus floated up to heaven with over 500 people witnessing this fact. Why would he want to come back from heaven to live in Kashmir?

May be he did'nt float up to heaven he just disappeared because he knew if he hanged around the romans would get him or his disciple's changed history so he could get away it's just a thought I know expert.
but I must admit its perplexing!!!

Sorry I ment I'm no expert just get carried away when I type ... ;-)

First of all, don't try to use the Gospels as proof of anything, they weren't written by witnesses and were written two or more generations after the fact, so they only contain "recruiting material" - that is, what the evangelists wanted the pigeons to hear, not what really happended. If you can get people to believe and give their tithes, then you don't have to work hard and can let them support you. That's what any religion or cult is about, letting the believers support the clergy! I have heard the Kashmir story and have seen photos of the supposed grave of Jesus, but you have to convince me that Jesus actually lived. The only secular word (the gospels, Paul's letters, etc are too biased) we have on his existence doesn't come until the second century CE and then it only addresses the followers of the Xian religion. Please, don't try foisting the forged entries in Josephus' works off as the truth. Bishop Eusuebius forged them in 340 CE. As far as I am concerned, the Kashmir story is just another version of the De Vinci code or vice versa, which ever is oldest.

No worry about that - as long as you convey a meaning.

There is a school of thought that the people of Kashmir are part of the Jewish diaspora - local names have echoes of Jewish names. Only mitocondrial DNA testing would prove it

Muslims would probably say that the Koran points not to Jesus dying and going to heaven, but leaving Jerusalem to a new land of mountains and meadows. The tomb you mention contains two bodies - one newer one (a Muslim "Saint") buried in the Muslim fashion, the older one of Yus Asaf, which some say is that of Jesus, buried in the Jewish style.

Christians however hold to the version set out by Kryso above. In the end you make a choice - it's a question of Faith and History. Certainly early Christians had no doubts about Jesus's death and resurrection and this forms the cornerstone of Christianity.

Historians and theologians are divided on the dating of the Gospels, but the consensus of opinion, based on the language, was the Mark's Gospel is the oldest and dates from about 70AD, or about 30 years after Christ's death.

Paul however died in 65AD and his letters to the growing churches are generally thought to date from around then. He was a remarkable man, a Roman Jew with many privileges; clearly something happened in his life for him to alter direction so distinctly and be martyred.

some say he died in japan some say other towns who knows but when they went to his grave his body wasent there

and im geting sick and tired of non belivers coming in christain topics if you got nothing nice to say then you need to stay out

Sorry, historians believe that Jesus (if he existed) died around 28CE (that's 48 years before the destruction of the temple) and since most people during that period lived no longer that the middle 40's (please don't use the myth of John living to be 90, it was started by the Church of the Middle Ages) , there would have been few if any witness left and the writers were definately not witnesses with all the geographic, language, and scriptural mistakes they made. Only the most conservative biblicists say 70 CE, most historians say between 80 to 120 CE.



There is a school of thought that he was not "a Jew Born" but was a convert..Either way it doesn't matter, he was the true founder of the present version of Xianity.



I thought this was an open forum and all were free to post as they want...If you want a captive audience hie thyself to a Xian website and leave us free of your mtyhology.

if your gona bash christains then you need to stay out of the topic you dont see us christains going in to non beliver topics and bashing you guys do you ???

Yes... yes we do.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=22294

i said a non beliver topic that wasent a non beliver topic

We have all the right to. But, we'd be glad to stay out of your christian topics if we were permitted to form our own topics about religion the way we see it without someone like you comming in it and telling us we're going to hell.



LOL! You havent been here long enough. After a few EvsC threads, the members were pretty much not allowed to post anything that would get either side hyped up. It died down now, but I still tried to post a topic a month ago, and it got closed for fear of some people getting mad and starting to flame.

hehe you never know j/k

I just edited my post, read it again for futher info.

Lets get back to the original topic please.

Just to confuse matters, there are also stories circulating that Jesus went and lived in France, Japan, and also the areas around India.

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i heard about japan but not france hmmm

The france one is generally mixed with the Knights Templar and the Priory De Sion.

And monks in Tibet, Etheopia, the dude got around after he died. There's quite a few local cultures around the world that claim to have been visited by an enlightened one after the death of Jesus, many of them gave him other names while he was with them and the theory is that it was Jesus.
Just what I've heard guys, not saying it's fact or what I believe or anything.

... and there's some folklore that he visited England too: "...and did those feet in ancient times, walk upon Englands mountains green" (hymn by Blake).

Some think Wales was the last home of Mary his mother. The Celts on Anglesey certainly had something to protect and fought hard against the Romans. Graham Philips wrote a book about it - "The Marian Conspiracy". Trouble is this theory does not fit the RC's Church doctrine of the Assumption!

THe famous Glastonbury Thorn is supposed to be a remnant of the visit of Joseph of Arimathea to England (according to the Gospels he took charge of Christ's body from the cross).

At that time England was at the very edge of the Roman Empire - far enough way to avoid trouble from the authorities.

Guy's I've actually seen the shrine and been in it...it's quite modist...
and there are foot prints of jesus (so they say) to be honest I don't know what to believe how ever I did pay my respects kind symbolic gesture... but its shore interesting...

Jesus was 33 when he died and all, yes all of the gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the very same Matthew, Mark, Luke and John that were his disciples and followed him around everywhere he went. Now, it was the Koran that was written some 200 years after Mohammad. Of course people won't believe the gospel accounts written only a few decades after Jesus died, but they're willing to believe accounts of Alexander the Great written more than 500 years after he died.

Saucy: If I said that I had a friend named Joe, would you believe me? Probably. If I said that I had a friend name Jim who has 3 eyes, purple skin, and can perform magical powers... would you believe me?

I'd believe you believed it if you were sincere about believing you had that friend! And as such, I would act as if it were true for your sake until it was proven either way.

Stellar has a friend? Hmmm, perplexing. Anyways, my point is once people find written stories of Alexander the great it's immediately published in history books as actually happened. 500 years after his death is a long time and certainly legend had to of creeped in, but nobody would ever doubt the validity of his story, but once you mention Jesus, wow, it suddenly becomes all legend and mythology because such a man could never have existed.

Hello,
Jesus is not buried anymore. He is in Heaven on the right hand of His father's side. I suggest you go to my site: freewebs.com/in_z_end_timez it tells all about Jesus! Anyone else for that matter can go to it. It's a bad site cause I'm unexperienced with HTML and yeah. But, it tells true love.


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It's not about the man, but about the legends and how they are supported. We have plenty of evidence from multiple sources that Alexander lived and conquered the way he was written about, not just from his people, but from the people who came under his rule. What we don't have, however, is supporting evidence that the Queen Hyppolyta of the Amazons was so intrigued that she went out to challenge him, fell in love, and spent three days in a tent with him before riding back. Indeed, we do have an account from one his first generals, who upon hearing the story, remarked (and you can just see the grin on his face) "And where was I during these days?". Because of that, we give good credibility to the conquering part, but little credibility to his sexual stamina with Amazonian queens. Most likely, it was a legend created by his followers to make him seem bigger than he was (pun intended).

Same thing with the stories of Jesus. Little external evidence exists that he was even an actual person, and what does is hotly debated. No evidence exists that he performed the superhuman (and three days with an Amazon would certainly count as that) feats that he was reputed to have done. Therefore, little credibility is given to them.

Saucy, no one knows who actually wrote the 4 gospels bearing the names of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. It wasn’t until after 150 CE that those names were assigned, but most of the early church fathers admitted that no one knew who really wrote them. Incidentally even in the gospels Mark and Luke were not disciples and none of the writers seem to have ever even met Jesus. Mark supposedly wrote down Peter’s memories of Jesus and Luke wrote down Paul’s memories (of course Paul never met Jesus, so his memories weren’t about Jesus.), Matthew is 90% a copy of Mark and 10% a copy of Q (that mythical missing book of Essene sayings), and John (even Xian scholars agree with this) wasn’t written until after 120CE, way to late for first hand or even witness knowledge of Jesus!



The Moslems honored Mohammad’s request not to write them down, but to memorize them. After 200 years, people got lazy and wrote them down – but no worry, I don’t believe the Koran is a divine book any more than I believe the Xian book of mythology called the bible is divine.



Yes, we do believe accounts of Alexander, we can verify his existence through divers of writings from the Greeks, the Persian, secular Jewish writings, Hindu writings, Egyptian writings, all contemporary with him. Any books written 500 years later would probably used those writings as reference. Jesus on the other hand has no one (the gospels are not contemporary to him and don’t seem to be eyewitness accounts) contemporary writing about him! I think Aquatus has explained sufficiently about the Alexandrian legends…so I won’t address them. Do you want more?

I do. Keep going.

Assuming Jesus lived, where was he buried?



If I wanted to talk about Hobbits, you wouldn't let me use the book "The Hobbit". Great.

Is it even possible to have a constructive contribution to the discussion if we don't assume Jesus lived for the question? (it is possible, but it's not happening)

I didn't bring up the question of Jesus's existance to invalidate the original question; I brought it up to address the credibility issue that Saucy put forth. By all, means, we can definitely assume that Jesus existed for the sake of the argument.

Now, If you wanted to talk about Hobbits, that's one thing. If, however, you wanted us to believe that Hobbits existed and went through the whole LOTR business, you are going to have to come up with something other than the stories that talk about the legend. It would be similar to accepting the existance of Spiderman based solely on the stories one finds in his comic books.

well, cool

The Hobbit thing is going to get into another discussion, if we're going to assume it was real for discussion, we're going to assume it was real for discussion. Based on that book, without other evidence.

If the assumption is existence, the discussion will flow from that, if we can't agree on the assumption for the sake of discussion, then we cannot discuss.

The question is not about the assumption that Jesus was a person, but assuming he was, if he was buried, where?

Boy oh boy.... every time I read a thread like this... I realize more and more ... this is a SAD SAD WORLD....

*shakes head and walks away slowly*....

If Jesus ever existed, he probably rotten away in an unmarked Roman grave. That is what they normally did with the executed, seldom releasing the bodies of those executed for political reasons for fear of riots and such.

so...where actually was he buried...??

Well, considering He was killed on Calvary I am betting He was buried in Jerusalem or the outskirts.

but Jesus have so many followers...why dont they buried him with full of respected
somewhere...for example in Jurusalem...why dont they built mausoleum,magnificent tomb or somethin...

So far mausoleum of prophet Abraham,Muhamad and ect that can be found somewhere in the middle east...

There is a tomb in jerusalem were most people believe he rests in the end.

Did any of you watch that documentary "the alternative bible"?

All about more historically accurate version of the event.

it was great.

A mausoleum cna never be built to compared to the speldard of Jesus. His followers became doubters for three days until He rose again. They believed He lied. I do believe they were ashamed to be in association with Christ but, when He rose again they realized all He said was true.

I didn't see the documentary but I have the answer to the question.
Jesus was buried in a tomb outside of Galgatha where he was crucified.
Three days after he was entombed he was resurrected from the dead and from thereon sets at the right hand of God the Father Almighty from whence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.

One can think and think and think and philosophy till the cows come home, but nothing really changes in ones life. When one contemplates the Cross and looks at life through the perspective of the Cross one's life changes in dramatically positive ways. One cannot contemplate the Cross unless one wants to and if one wants to the best place to start is Matthew in the New Testament. Begin there and then read the entire gospel. If one is not willing to read the entire gospel then one is not entitled to an opinion on the issues involved therein. It would be the same as one commenting on and on about the Koran, without ever having opened the Koran and having read for oneself. Now why don't you who doubt the validity of the gospels go and read the gospels and then come back and talk to us about that which you have read. You will then have some foundation for your arguments and a perspective with which you can communicate with the faithful. This editorial is not directed at any one specific person, rather at the direction and tone of the thread.

Why don't they just open the tombs and end this discussion forever proving that there is no Jesus.

so you are saying that the only people that should be allowed to voice their opinions are christians? if you relaly think that, you take away the integrity of this entire board. this forum is made so that people of all cultures can come and state what they think. please don't tell people that they can't talk just becuase you think they are wrong. the truth is, your beliefs aren't teh basis for this whole board.


thank you

Because that would be such an incredible violation of respect, sanctity, and personal belief that the locals might well attack any such people doing so, and be considered justified in many people's eyes.

well...
i hope someday..we will have kind of technology that just can X-ray what is inside the tombs without dig and opening it..

You won't find Jesus in the graves becasue He's not there He's in Heaven you can't prove something that is a zillion miles away

I don't get it, why does it matter where he's buried?

well a lot of christians want to know so they could go visit the place. and its like aurora said, they wont find a body there b/c after 3 days he arose from the dead. anyways, i would kinda like to know where he layed for 3 days while beating the crap out of satan and getting the keys to death and hell.

i see, so you want it to be a holy place or tourist attraction yes?

In my opinion, religion means money. I could just imagine Christendom building a Disney type leisure world over and around Jesus grave!