Well that hardly speaks for all religious people. But I can understand your aggravation. Good to see where you are coming from, rykser.

*get's off his soapbox*
Sorry 'bout that rant. I just get so hot about it at times...

Well, there was something with relevance that Mary slept with a Roman Soldier and that was Jesus' father.

^^^
Then how could Jesus have been the son of gawd?

*here I go again*

Well, first of all, I'm agnostic so don't say I'm trying to prove god right or anything like that, frankly I care not. Buuuut...well, it was more of like a "Chosen" If you read the bible you'll learn that the souls of man come from the halls of heaven. Well, lets just say the soul that was going into Jesus' was a special soul saved after thousands of years to bring alive the messiah. Also, according to Christianity, god is technically the father of everyone.

Interesting way of looking at it. He did after all, create all things. And that would technically include you (based on the Bible).

Mmm you have "problems" with about 4.5 billion people. Thats a lot of people to be having problems with .

Not if he was fertilized by a Roman soldiers semen. He would then be "technically" a bastard son of the soldier, not gawd.

That would be to your perception. Technically you are correct. But if you believed in the Christian paradigm of God, he would be the creator of all things, one being the Roman soldier. Or, if you believe that God is omnipresent, this essentially would make the Roman soldier God if not a part of God.

^^^
Either way, it created an adulterous liason.

Yea, Jesus is a bastard. What's your point?

Jesus Rocks.

Jesus was described as white cuz it was a white man that wrote the bible

Jesus' skin color was not described in the Bible, unless it was...his feet? I remember a description in the Book of Revelation. I will reread it. But Jesus is thought of this way due "idealistic" paintings, in my opinion.

I was taught it but I could be wrong Yel

I'll check
Got my Bible nearby. I'll read it in a minute.

lol

WHere did you get that from? THe Da Vinci Code?


He wasn't - the genealogies of Jesus show Joseph was a descendant of Abraham.

Exactly - VIRGIN birth. God did not violate his own commands, else Mary would not have been a virgin, and what you would she would have borne would be a half-God/half-man, not a full and complete God!

Revelation 1:12-15
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white like wool, as white as snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters.



This closeley mirrors the account that Daniel gives when he met the Lord God! Though sorry folks, I can't find that specifc passage at the moment.

That's the God part of his lineage there.

In Biblical tradition, angels, Christ, and a few dead people (Abraham) can radiate on command, but don't do it often. It's like turning a light switch off and on; whatever you're wearing becomes blinding white and you glow from the inside. This is how people who think the Shroud Of Turin is authentic think it got formed--Christ "switched on" when he came back to life, creating the negative image in the cloth. Not saying that I have any opinion on the Shroud, but that's what some people think.

Something tells me he didn't walk around lit up like a torch all the time.

I remember it saying something about feet.
Thank you for the scripture PA.
Based on the text it sounds like he had a dark complexion. I've seen a different variations of this verse. Strange. Which Bible did you use?
In my King James version it also adds that his countenance was as the sun, shining in its strength.

I used the English Standard Version

I know it's just my opinion, but the ESV is regarded as the most literal translation of the text available. The biggest criticism it has is that the words don't "flow" in an English sense, because the translators preferred literal tranlsation over logical English flow. I like it though. It's a little harder to read than say, the NIV, but it's definitely much more accurate.

Anyhow, adding verse 16 to the passage I quoted, it reads: In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.

Is that what you are referring?

Regards, PA

Yes that is what I am referring to. My King James Version is just worded a bit differently.

I bought my mother the American standard version..........is there a difference?

They are different

The christian fellowship is called - The Emanuel Christian Fellowship and they read the American Standard bible.....when I went to FLA I had to buy her one

PA is the Emanuel christians different from you?

I honestly don't know - I've never heard of them. What are their doctrines? I don't really adhere to any specific religious organization. Though I do attend an Anglican church, I do not agree with all their teachings (most, but not all). My doctrines and beliefs come from the Bible alone.

Regards, PA

the closest the bible comes to describing him is in Isaiah chapter 53 verses 2-3 which state;
2... he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

He looked like a normal man of his time, he was not the most handsome man in Isreal, nothing about his features led one to think he must be special. The humilty of God.

Jesus has African blood in his ancestory. when one reads the old testament and from the new testament traces his geneology it can be seen that he has Ethiopian ancestors.

Are you referring to Enoch?
There was more than one Enoch, and one was Ethiopian. Unless you mean someone else.

Two women if I am not wrong, yelekiah.

It's likely that Jesus did have African ancestry in my opinion. However, I'll just add that the Enoch that is Ethiopian, is not the one of Mary's lineage.
(the one that wrote the Book of Enoch)
I forget but I have to look into it when I'm not busy.

Let me know if you find out the names.

I think his new form is supposed to look like an albino, in Revelations maybe?
The description of white hair and red eyes or something like that.

oops

Not an albino. His skin was dark, like brass in a furnace. But he did have white hair. It said eyes of fire, which could have meant that they were red from looking at the sun. Possiblity since he lived in a hot location.
But that could be figurative. I'd have to look at the original Hebrew.

Its obviously metaphorical!!!!

Problem is some of it is and some of it isn't. That's the way it is with the Bible. Plus, everyone is going to interpret it differently.

Now because His first miracle was turning water into an alcoholic beverage my first guess is Jesus was Irish.

Yeah there must be some Irish blood in him somewhere, he was one of us!

LOL. This is one crazy topic (and a very old one too). I would have to say that I think he was most likely Black or dark skinned. But Im sure he wasn't white...Thats my 2 cents...Im done .

Lol. I find it funny that there are 87 responses to a question that only has 2 options.


EDIT: Oops! 88, even!

Genetically speaking, Jesus would have been half whatever-color-being-half-God-makes-you. Of course, we don't have accounts of people going around talking about how his skin was orange-peel orange or anything, so I would imagine all his human DNA came from Mary.

So: whatever color Mary was, he probably was, if you accept the NT.

So Rykster doesn't believe Jesus existed? Even though no one disputes this fact?

I thought the argument was whether or not Jesus was the son of God, not whether or not he ever walked the earth.

'TK0001'
What I believe is my business. Your stating "everyone" is pre-emptive and nonsensical. Not everyone believes in your Jesus..

Jesus was a historical figure. A real, live human being that lived on this earth just like Caesar, Cleopatra, and Constantine.

I'm not debating whether or not you believe he is the Son of Man, you obviously don't.

I should have worded this better.

I'm asking whether or not you believe Jesus was an actual person or not.

I thought it was accepted that he was.

It's Revelation, an apocryphal work. It's almost entirely symbolic......

NOt necessarily. Only if God had sex with Mary and spliced his genetic code with hers. THat would mean two things - that God had physical form, and that Jesus was a half-God. SInce neither is true, Mary's skin colour is not necessarily an indication of Jesus' colour.

Just a thought.

Regards, PA

I could answer this, but then it would defeat the purpose. Contiue disscusing amongst yourselves, I find this appealing.

Actually its not excepted that Jesus was an actual person , there is no proof he was , mako has tons of stuff on the subject... i too think it was a creation of religion not actual...

People should focus on what he said, and what he did, as appose to what he looked like. It is irrelevent, its just wrong how they painted him white and blue eyed. However, like Michael Jackson said, " It doesn't matter if your black or white". Theres only one race... HUMAN RACE.

I dunno PA but hey I'll try and find out

That's because to me it's a man's dream. But even in dreams and prophecies, you do have objects that are literal. No one should take all of it that way though. That's dangerous in my opinion.