I'm hoping that you all know what Contrails are, so I don't bore you of a description...

I caught these over my house this morning. Enjoy

http://mysite.freeserve.com/tvghosts/contrails

Forgot to add:

This evening, both me and my mother have felt ill effects! I've had a strong headache and feel sleepy and she got an extremely sore throat

i don't get this whole contrail thing. please explain why and who you believe is out to get you?

maybe you just live near a busy airport

There's a huge database of contrails here : http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm

Contrails are a form of government weather control.

Although I'm a little vague on the subject at the moment, I know that these planes are sent by the government to dilute the water vapour within the air, causing it to condense and fall as moisture before it gets the chance to form clouds that may cause disruptive storms.

To do this they send unmarked jet planes to criss-cross the sky and release these chemicals via their jet trails. - causing the patterns shown in the pictures I took.

While these contrails were in the air, all the clouds that seemed so heavy in the distance broke up and the sky remained blue and clear.

Once they had gone the clouds came over with a vengence and there was rain.

Weird!

MG,

We have already covered contrails at considerable length HERE

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I'm hoping that you all know what Contrails are... ...Contrails are a form of government weather control.

Any chance you can prove this to us?

In a back issue of UFO magazine, there was an article about a scottish school that was rained upon by a contrail, the lane released it during lunchtime and most of the school kids as well as the teachers got nasty burns from it, a letter was sent to the MoD and the local RAF base, neither knew of any plane over the area at the time.

i found a link, but the text is a bit dark

Click Here

Anybody else think they're just the exhaust from planes and nothing more?

(By the way, if a trail is white and left against a blue sky it's called a 'contrail' but if the aircraft passes through a cloud and the resultant trail is a clear patch through the otherwise white/grey cloud, it's called a 'distrail'? Interesting huh? Okay, so I need to get out more...)

I'm not convinced that Contrails are anything more than the exhaust trails from aircraft, I see aircraft trails all the time passing high overhead, and I think that's more or less all they are.

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/mywebsite/edb.html and the page after it shows that there is a harmful chemical within contrails that is not apparent in normal jet fuel.

It may be weather control because as they were in the skies, all the clouds that came over dissipated into nothing and the sky stayed dark. As soon as they had completely gone the clouds continued to form and we had rain.

If they were commercial liners, then surely they would have commerical liner markings on then? These planes were unmarked.

And why would 15 be going across in a grid formation? I've lived here for 12 years and have never seen them before.

what would be the motive in spraying these chemicals on people? to make us sick?

i assure you that they are not controlling the weather because it rains constantly where i live and we have huge thunderstorms that destroy people's homes almost every month of the year. if the government were controlling the weather, surely they would stop these violent storms from ever happening.

also, most of the country is presently in a drought. if they were controlling the rain, surely no place would be in a drought. wouldn't they also stop wildfires that occur from lightning with no rain?

i just don't get the motive for the huge expense of what you're saying is happening. it just doesn't add up.

I agree with LB, SaRuMaN and probably most everybody else.
Nothing more than aircraft exhaust

There's been all sorts of theories regarding contrails. Weather control is one of them. Another theory that is being thrown around is that the government are mass innoculating the public against any kind of biological weapons.

I personally don't know. I'm saying weather control as a guesstimate since that's what it looked like yesterday.

Speaking personally - these have NEVER appeared in our skies before and I've been living here for over 10 years.

Also, both me and my mother both felt ill effects later on that day.

So, they're just normal jetplane vapourtrails are they? Well, please could you answer the following questions for me - and if they make me stop and think about it then I'll be prepared to think that they're something other than that I already believe they are...

Thank you.

1) Why is it that contrails contain an extra chemical that is not found in the fuel or expelled vapour in normal commercial jets?

2)Why do two (or maybe even 3) jets fly overhead back and forth to make a grid formation in the sky? If they were waiting for a slot to land at an airport they'd circle.

3)How come this is the first time I have personally witnessed this phenomena, yet have lived in the same house all my life? I move here in 1988).

4)The nearest RAF base to me is over 100 miles away, and the nearest international airport is about 30 miles away. If the jets were merely circling the airport they wouldn't fly this far out.

5)Why don't the jets have the markings of a commercial jet? If you look at any plane you'll see that they all have an individual logo on them so that they can be easily recognised both on the runway and in the sky. For example, Virgin planes have a red tail. The planes that emit contrails are always a plain metallic grey colour.

6)How come contrails always stay as one trail whilst the vapourtrails of commercial jets always split into two?


Thank you. I look forward to reading your answers

From the site you posted a link to:

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A fuel sample of JP-8+100 was taken  to an independent lab (NON GOV-RMENT FUNDED) and broken down.   The sample revealed two toxic substances.         1. Ethlyene Di Bromide         2. Zinc Chloride         1. EDB attacks the Liver, Lungs , and Skin, causing liver damage, Lung  and skin C--cer. Also, EDB lowers the immune system by depleting the body of B vitamins and zinc. Answer to the problem--use a B Complex  vitamin and Zinc.         2. We don't know the effects of Zinc Chloride yet.

If the government is innoculating us then where is the evidence in this sample to that effect? I don't think innoculations would contain such chemicals.

It is feasible that a circling/waiting flight pattern for an airport might stretch out over 30 miles.

Aircraft vapour trails/contrails may split up differently depending upon what sort of aircraft made them and its number/configuration of engines and the weather conditions at the time of its flight.

I look forward to your debunking of these arguments.

QUOTE (Loonboy @ Feb 7 2003, 06:45 PM)

From the site you posted a link to: QUOTE [color=blue] If the government is innoculating us then where is the evidence in this sample to that effect? I don't think innoculations would contain such chemicals. It is feasible that a circling/waiting flight pattern for an airport might stretch out over 30 miles. Aircraft vapour trails/contrails may split up differently depending upon what sort of aircraft made them and its number/configuration of engines and the weather conditions at the time of its flight. I look forward to your debunking of these arguments.  :)

Again, I am posting the evidence I find. I'm usually a very trusting person and only think things are ludricous if they are 100% are, or if the person has absolutely no idea at what they're trying to convey. The webpage I linked to certainly seemed to know their stuff. I didn't claim that they were innoculations - that was another theory as to what these could be.

Regarding the vapourtrails - With me, it happened after about 4 hours after the contrails dissipated. During that time there was no change in temperature or sky clearance (apart from the small bout of rain that occured just after the contrails dissapeared). The contrails stayed as a single vapourtrail and lingered in the sky for approximately 15 minutes. At about 3pm, another plane went over, but this time the vapourtrail was split into 2 seperate trails and dissipated completely within 4 minutes.

So the answer to question 1 was merely a request for evidence regarding the sample, the answer to question 2 was not answered, question 3 was not answered, question 4 is making me ask questions, which is good. I'll be going more into it later. Question 5 wasn't answered, and question 6 was answered with an assumption and added to the arguement - they weren't the same plane!

Keep trying

Answer to question 2: I do not know.

Answer to question 3: I do not know.

Answer to question 5: I do not know.

(The reasons I did not state this earlier, is that I thought one would assume I did not know because I did not answer the questions...)

Additional points to question 1: who took the samples? are they legitimate? do they know enough about chemistry and meteorology to answer this question?

Additional point to question 6: it's a theory, and I'm not a contrail expert, and I wasn't assuming, I was proposing.

I didn't state that you claimed that they were innoculations, I was responding to the point you referred to.

Finally, maybe you and your mom just had a virus... you were both in proximity to one another and viruses are a more rational and likely candidate than weather control by the government or secret mass innoculations...

I guess we all believe what we want to believe, but I can't believe our governments are that adept at anything other than lining one another's pockets - a secret conspiracy to control the weather? Riiiight.....

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Finally, maybe you and your mom just had a virus... you were both in proximity to one another and viruses are a more rational and likely candidate than weather control by the government or secret mass innoculations...

haha, go Loonboy

lol!

It's like what my brother says...

Think of it this way - it's either the government slowly killing off the population using an illegal technique with planes and contrails in an attempt to poison us...

or we caught a virus

Want me to nip to the pharmacy for you both?..

All I see is exhaust trails from planes!

If that's the case, can you try and answer the questions I laid out please?

Thanks.

I once read, and I have no idea where, that contrails are being used to slow global warming. There was a very large paper by a proffesional SOUNDING person, which seemed to make some sense. No idea where, but I'll look. Just a thought, if anyone else had heard this. The paper was written years ago, and suggesting that a certain mix, listed above, would be able to slow global warming if employed in massive quantities. Then again, it has all the workings of a hoax.

Well I've posted this link once, but what the heck, I'll post it again.

Royal Meteorological Society Weather Club Page

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How come this is the first time I have personally witnessed this phenomena, yet have lived in the same house all my life? I move here in 1988).

I have lived in London for a good 18 years, and I have witnessed this 'phenomenon' most days. I wonder if that's why our weather is so bad?

Could Be Tommy after all that are that planes above London.
When I lived just down the road from Heathrow we saw it most days........

Well, that explains why they hang in the air, but they don't explain why they're done by 2 planes criss-crossing the sky, why the only planes that do it are unmarked, why additional chemicals have been found in the jet fuel that aren't used in commercial jet fuel, why contrails are 1 vapourtrail and normal trails split into 2 and why I've never seen this before. and todate have not seen it since.

MostlyGhostly, You live in Devon don't you?
Well we have alot of farms here and crop dusting is becoming more and more common, I'v seen it myself, do you think it could be that?

But I thought that crop dusting was done by small planes that only few a few meters from the ground so that the chemicals would hit the crops and only the crops.

I'v had a look at your photo's again and your right, the plane is not a crop dusting aircraft. It looks very much like a jet. The Red Arrows base is not to far from here, so it could be a practise jet, which could also explain the smoke and the criss-crossing.

But surely they always practice in their red planes so that when they go out for real the handling is the same. I've never personally seen the red arrows practice, but if they did I'd imagine they'd be in their red planes.

Ahhh! See I knew you were going to ask me that Sooo I Had A look on they're web site and they practise in camoflaged coloured jets and Dum! Dum! Dum!.... White ones too!
Click here
There's loads of info here.

Call me ignorant, but WHY would the government use weather control, or better yet...

Why would they use this contrail stuff as a weather control AND be secretive about it?


It just doesn't bring any added value, I think.



P.S. Don't REALLY call me ignorant, it would hurt my feelings...

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P.S. Don't REALLY call me ignorant, it would hurt my feelings...

Damn.

And if it the purpose would be mass inoculation, why not use the water supply instead? Too easy?

Let's not go all cuckoo over here people.


P.S. Sonny Bono did not die of skiing into a tree. The tree was in fact a CIA agent in disguise moving constantly in Sonny's path while skiing down the hill.
(ssssssh, don't tell anyone....)

Ahhh so that's what it was Bloody good disguise as a tree.....

First of all, where are you getting the test samples of normal jet fuel vs. this magical jet fuel. and oh boy, you and your mom got sick, what did you have to eat that day? there could be a cold going around. that could be anything. In war times, pilots are required to fly a lot, just to log the hours in the air, and planes can travel more than 30 miles mind you. i dont mean to be mean, but this seem so unorthodox that i cant beleive it has been brought up. i am a little leary of what the Gov. does some times, but this is a little far.

CASTOR

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Call the White House and ask them.

QUOTE (DSchwartz @ Feb 3 2003, 03:05 PM)

what would be the motive in spraying these chemicals on people? to make us sick? i assure you that they are not controlling the weather because it rains constantly where i live and we have huge thunderstorms that destroy people's homes almost every month of the year. if the government were controlling the weather, surely they would stop these violent storms from ever happening. also, most of the country is presently in a drought. if they were controlling the rain, surely no place would be in a drought. wouldn't they also stop wildfires that occur from lightning with no rain? i just don't get the motive for the huge expense of what you're saying is happening. it just doesn't add up.

Global warming has increased a need for some outside, possible covert agency to use contrails and the technology and chemistry to produce the weather effect. What would you do if suddently mother nature no longer was able to produce a rain storm or moisture in the air to the degree that living things like plant life and animals survived?

Easy.

If you were an agency funded by governments that needed a semi stable working agricultural market ... you utilze the technology involving contrails.

The sickness and burnings are a side effect...probably human error.

Just my two cents worth, you healthy bunch of skeptics!

Hmmm......MG i think it is only a plane trails and i have seen them above the sky many time and it is just simply plane trails.....

HELLO anybody listening,,it's all to do with the sars virus,,,,,,just thought i would say it before someone else came out with it,,,,,,ofcourse having no knowledge about how water vaper evaporates in the air and at different altitudes and during different weather and tempatures,,,it would be foolish for me and anyone else to say it's anything but water vapor...here is a simple childhood thing to remember,,,,,,

hey son/daughter would you like brussels sprouts.

no

why

i don't like them

have you tasted them

no

so how do you know then

because,billy up the road said they were horrible....

just because we read or hear something,,doesn't meen it's true

ask the iraq information minister........ is he getting his own saturday night spot?????????????

Oh BigSteff You do make me laugh

It isn't the trails themselves that make people suspicious. We've seen those ever since jets were invented. What puts your hackles up is when you watch them make a definite pattern in the sky. Why are they doing this?

Last summer I watched as at least two jets made a grid over Alexandria VA. It was obvious they were doing it intentionally, because they'd get to a certain spot and turn off the trails, then come back around and do another line.

There may have been nothing in the trails, of course. They may be testing to see what they *can* do later on. All the same, since they will not admit they are doing anything at all, you wonder.. The US government has irradiated, poisoned, outright killed citizens before in the name of "National Security"..

Surely they wouldh't do this over the Pentagon, tho, right?

Maybe that's why they did it here, to prove to others it's harmless.

Whatever the case, I have no doubt, based on what I saw last summer, that they are up to something.

Maybe it was just a game of sky chess.

Personaly i dont think its anything more than exhaust from planes.

As far as the planes not having marks how can you tell when their 20,000 feet in the air? I mean the military or navy jets/planes only have the serial number on the tail and thats not going to be visable from far away.

and couldn't the going back and forth and making a grid be an air survey of the land? ive seen that done before and it makes a grid like that