[B][FONT=Times][SIZE=7][COLOR=blue], zombies have been recorded since probably forever. but then old records are destroyed or confiscated. all most for a long time i've been trying to dig up information about but its hard because the government hides it and tells the public if there is evidence its a hoax. but whatever, i'm still gonna find stuff and research stuff, its in history books and old famous people have seen them. but that stuff isn't mentioned, oh well. i wanna know how many people believe in zombies.

muddpuppy

p.m.s=there real.

I wasn't aware zombies were important enough to be part of a government conspiracy to declare them hoaxes. They are a fairly well-known product of Haitian folklore, and there are still a few hougans who claim to be able to make them. It is illegal, however, to make a zombie, so few do. It shouldn't take too much effort to find info on them; just research Haiti and its history. Zombies inevitably come up.

zombies Are you kidding me?

Wow, there's a law against making zombies? That had to be fun to pass...

It was pretty easy for them. Zombies are quite a common part of Haitian belief. Much like the American halloween legend of poison in candy or razor blades in apples, it is an urban legend that has gained the status of avoidable reality, despite the utter lack of evidence that either phenomena exists.

To the best of my recollection (I only have a passing interest in the subject), a zombie is made chiefly through the use of blowfish toxin, a precise mixture of which seems to dull the senses and place people in a sort of trance state. Strangely enough, fresh meat is supposed to liberate them from this state, so they are only to be fed oatmeal (which would likely explain their gauntness). There are still occasional reports of people being arrested for the purchase of a zombie on the black market, although it is very rare and usually treated as Accessory to Kidnapping.

-WEIRDED OUT- O.o

Yeah but if you are one of the resident evil liking people and follow the dead 'coming back to life'

Ok so here is the question (by resident evil standard)

Is a zombie dead or alive?

I think zombies are just made up,because they are always used in movies.

Could you provide an example from your research or from a book? Until then I'm gonna go with the what everyone else is saying about the Haitian Voodoo zombies.

Wait wait wait, hold up. . . . . You don't believe in it because it's used in movies? That's you're only reason? Ghosts are used all the time, and they're a very different phenomenon. . . . . hell, aspects of real life are used in film all the time. . . . love, hate, death, betrayal, etc. Does that mean we shouldn't believe that they exist?

I don't care what you believe, and I don't direct this to you only (sorry if it seems like I'm on the attack) but please, when explaining why you don't believe in something, make it a rational, logical statement!

I believe that Haitian zombies can exist, merely because I believe in the power of drugs. Zombies, in their sense of the word (the illegal kind) are humans who are drugged, putting them in a death-like state (and in conditions where high-level medical attention may not be attainable, this isn't inconceivable). They are buried alive, conscious enough to recall the sounds and sensations of their own funeral, yet unable to respond to outside stimulus. The culprit then digs up the "corpse" before it suffocates and keeps it as a slave, a servant.

The drugs leave the person with severe brain damage. There have been a few instances where the zombie is disposed of, it's master having no more use for them, and they wander aimlessly. I remember one documentary where I saw a family that had recovered their "dead" family member, finding him wandering the streets of their town. They claimed he was changed, and observing his actions, his motions, and his lack of communication (verbal or non-verbal) I would not doubt his damaged mental condition.



Muddpuppy-
Now, I don't know about any "government conspiracy" . . . . . and you're statements saying all of these vague documents were destroyed. . . . unless you have something else to back them up, then I don't know quite what to make of your claim. (No offense, of course. You simply haven't told me enough to make a better conclusion.)

nice pun....

i believe in bigfoot, nessie, chupies, and mothman, but i do NOT believe in zombies....

A zombie would be the most useful of "cryptids". I they could do my lawn and gutters, for starters. And no pesky minimum wage laws to worry about.

Yeah people answered my question! -rolls eyes-

Maybe the Hatian zombies could be real but for now....

Could yo even count a zombie as a cryptids since there not really 'animals' and there not really 'unknown' or 'hidden'....

There has not been any "real" reports by people of seeing zombies.There is evidence of The sea serpents(Plesiosaurs),and the other creatures that they did once exist.Because there is actual physical proof that they were once real that makes it possible that these things still exist in the world and did not die out.But zombies,come on,they cannot be real,it is NOT possible that something can be dead and alive at the same time.They are merely scary figures in costumes,makeup and special effects,that are in movies and games.If you still think that they exist after all that,then tell me exactly how can something be alive and dead at the same time,and also eats people.Zombies are FAKE!!!

Exactly!

But you don't have to be dead to necasarilly be a zombie. A person could be described as being a zombie if the were in a trance like the Haitian zombies. Or someone who is malnourished or drowsy.

Vampires are alive and dead at the same time......

They were dead, then they became undead. The undead, simple as that, they have no "souls." And technically, they're not alive (according to science)

The name of science taken in vain yet again. Science has no opinion regarding undead, or souls, and is still having a bit of difficulty coming up with a universal definition of life.

I never said they had an opinion on the "undead." But keep talking please.

How was this statement meant?

Zombies aren't supposed to be dead and alive at the same time, like already mentioned they are alive in a trance...or possibly braindead....

Science does have an opinion on what's alive and what's not. You're silly if you think otherwise.

Aquatus was correct when he said that science is having trouble coming up with a complete definition of life.

I don't think vampires die...they just get bitten and transform, much like a werewolf....zombies are the only things that are dead and come back to life....in movies...hey, so Frankenstein's Monster was a zombie huh! or wait...maybe that's reanimation cuz he was a bunch of different body parts...hmmmm...

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Well then, I suppose that I am not, according to you, silly.

Well I will add to the fire as far as I know this site is a very serious site. http://www.fvza.org/index.html

Serious site????

Click on the disclaimer man *LOL*

Vampires are even more fake.How can you say that they are dead and alive like some zombies.Vampires and Zombies are BOTH FAKE!!!I think the main reason everything about zombies just came up is because of movies like resident evil.

If in real life i meet anyone who seriously believes in zombies, i will not hesitate to have them commited.

Some people just need help.

if zombies are real where are the pics?

Or, for that matter, where are they? Come on, they can't be that hard to catch!

if they were real, would it really be that hard to avoid being bitten by them? I think not.

lol



well, i've actually read a few "unexplained mysteries" books that mention vampires, such as The Vampire Of Groglin Grange" in the book House Of Evil and Other Strange Unsolved Mysteries by Margaret Ronan. I've never heard a "true" zombie story though.

aye i know ,zombies indeed,such nonesense

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I think I heard something like that before maybe on tv or on the internet damn that's scary! But of course I never read watched or heard anthing about zombies to come up with a belief for them.