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Britannica
I read somewhere that everyone who believes that Marilyn Monroe was assassinated agrees on the following details:

* she was held down with a pillow over her face

* she was injected with some kind of poison in her foot

I just wondered if there was anyone here who thinks she was assassinated, who could tell me if they do agree with those details. If anyone does, maybe they could tell me how they think this version got decided upon when most conspiracy theories are a bit more vague?

thanks
joc
The facts are what they are: Elvis died from an overdose. Marilyn died from an overdose.

That being said: A friend of mine has an authentic picture of Elvis kissing Marilyn. All experts say that it never happened, yet the picture is obviously real. What say you to that?
Gabriel
some say she was killed cuz she knew something a bout jfk and was going to go to the press or leak it out
panther10758
The body of Ms. Monroe was badly bruised about the face as if beat. If that is so how did that happen during an overdose?
Celumnaz
Elvis and Marylin got married and are living in the Nazi base in Antarctica.
NightMoon
I once read that Marylin Monroe's death wasn't suicide but possibly murder. There's the strange case of the reporting of her death, that the last person who saw her was the housemaid. She phoned Marilyn's psychologist who appeared, (there were witnesses, such as the neighbours who saw him arrive) and they remained at the house for a long time before the police was called. Also, there were a couple of men who were seen by the house earlier. The forensic showed that Marilyn had been dead during the time the psychologist spent all those hours there. Questions have arisen before, why did the housemaid phone the psychologist and not the ambulance or police? and what were they doing before the police turned up? who were those men? ect...No one knows what was going on. I will try and locate the details.
panther10758
Since Marilyn had slept with both Bobby and Jack its quite likely she had threatened to blow the whistle.
Britannica
QUOTE(NightMoon @ Oct 6 2004, 08:50 PM)
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Yeah, I did hear something about some MiB style guys that were seen going in (black suits and ties, briefcase etc). Interesting.

Personally, I think she was killed because JFK told her something he shouldnt have during the course of their relationship, although some people suggest that it was because he promised her something (eg money) that other people werent happy about...such as the rest of the family.

I do always wonder, though, in cases like this, why there are so many clues, and so many post-mortem inconsistencies. Surely the FBI is too skillfull to leave a trail like that?
panther10758
Peter Lawford was at scene long before Police were called and he was a long time friend of JFK. Its possible he knew what really happened. My best guess is JFK had something to do with it.
twpdyp
The discoloration in her face was caused by post mortem lividity, I believe I have the spelling correct, that is the settling of the blood in the lower parts of the body after the heart has stopped beating and circulation has ceased. In her case she died lying on her stomach and face. Those being the lowest points on her body that is where the blood settled after death.
As to weather or not she was murdered, I don't think that there is any evidence that convinces me of a conspiracy or even that she was murdered. At this time I maintain she died of and accidental drug overdose.
panther10758
That itself is a theory and is poor explanantion of how bruises appeared on her face not discoloration!
NightMoon
I found this for you Britannica Marilyn's death cover ups
twpdyp
I have seen the autopsy photos, post mortem lividity is a scientific fact not a theory. It manifests itself as dark discolorations similar in appearance to bruising. But is distinguishable from bruising after post mortem examination of the body and comparisons made between the markings and the position the body was in when death occurred.
Britannica
thank you nightmoon! grin2.gif
Gabriel
Good point peter was married to a kennedy at the time. maybe she wanted to marrie kennedy and people wouldnt allow it
twpdyp
Why can't it be that we had a disturbed woman who took either by accident or intentionally an overdose of drugs? Does it have to be some sort of conspiracy?
The Mafia, the Government, a combination of the two, when will this poor disturbed woman's memory be allowed to rest in peace?
Britannica
twpdyp, I understand that there is a possibility that Marilyn's death was suicide, in fact that is the most likely to be true, but there are alot of strange facts surrounding her death, such as the suited 'visitors' and the gap between her death and the time the police were called.
it is interesting that you call her 'disturbed' though. is there anyone here who knows the details of her mental state at the time?
joc
Monroe knew that Bobby Kennedy was behind the assassination of MLK. She was deeply involved in the Mafia and had Bobby killed because she was also having a fling with MLK and hated Bobby for his murder. Knowing that she was now a target she went into hiding, until finally JFK's boys got to her and KILLED her. Once the Mafia bosses heard of her Murder, they killed JFK. It is so simple isn't it? Years later Elvis distraught by it all kills himself.
twpdyp
If she indeed commited suicide, that would make her disturbed.
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Monroe knew that Bobby Kennedy was behind the assassination of MLK.

Check your dates, I believe Marilyn died before Bobby Kennedy & Martin Luther King. Marilyn died August 5 1962, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King both were assinated in 1968.
Angelofmercy
i think joc was being funny..(i hope) *LOL*

We all know they were killed because of an alien cover up. they were all going to come forward about teh mind control drugs in hotdogs...they had to be stopped
Britannica
lol joc, very funny grin2.gif

spose this is kind of a silly topic. What idiot started it again? Ohh yeah... blush.gif
Method
QUOTE(Celumnaz @ Oct 6 2004, 02:51 PM)
Elvis and Marylin got married and are living in the Nazi base in Antarctica.
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Dont forget Tupac, they are dead they O.D'd. And Elvis and Monore kissing not too sure about that one? Scan the picture maybe.
Lottie
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he body of Ms. Monroe was badly bruised about the face as if beat. If that is so how did that happen during an overdose?


That was not bruising but blood under the skin that had no where to go once the heart stopped beating and because she was lying face down it all went congealed downwards. I cannot remeber the scientific term for this.

I think either an enema or an injection killed her, whether she did this to herself I don't know.
twpdyp
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That was not bruising but blood under the skin that had no where to go once the heart stopped beating and because she was lying face down it all went congealed downwards. I cannot remeber the scientific term for this.

Post Mortem Lividity, I believe that is the proper term for the discoloration.
vimjams
I understand that blood will always drain to the lowest part of the body in Post Mortem Lividity...But does this usually occur in the face in such a selective manner?
Blood under the skin is also indicative of bruising, and in the case of poor Norma...there is also visual indication of slight swelling...You know, like she had been slapped a few times.

Vimjams
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Lottie
QUOTE(twpdyp @ Oct 22 2004, 08:41 PM)
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That was not bruising but blood under the skin that had no where to go once the heart stopped beating and because she was lying face down it all went congealed downwards. I cannot remeber the scientific term for this.

Post Mortem Lividity, I believe that is the proper term for the discoloration.
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Yup thats it! Thankyou!! thumbsup.gif
twpdyp
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Yup thats it! Thankyou!!

No problem, it pays to watch The Discovery Channel......
twpdyp
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I understand that blood will always drain to the lowest part of the body in Post Mortem Lividity...But does this usually occur in the face in such a selective manner?
Blood under the skin is also indicative of bruising, and in the case of poor Norma...there is also visual indication of slight swelling...You know, like she had been slapped a few times.

I have not seen the rest of her autopsy photos, so I cannot say with certainty that her body was or was not in the same condition as her face. But if I recall correctly her head was found hanging kind of half off of the bed which if my memory is correct then that would make her face lower than the rest of her body, Correct.
panther10758
The following was taken from a site that supports the "coverup" theory it also says that Monroe was NOT found with head hanging over bed.

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THE DAY MARILYN DIED

On the morning of August 4, 1962 Monroe had been up for hours when her housekeeper, Eunice Murray and her personal publicist, Pat Newcomb, who had spent the night, stirred at 9 A.M. Leaning against the kitchen wall in a terry cloth robe, Monroe became cross with Newcomb. "I had been able to sleep and Marilyn hadn't," said Newcomb in an interview. "When I came out looking refreshed, it made her furious."

"Marilyn had calls that morning, and by the time I saw her she was in a rage," Newcomb said. Some believe the phone calls were from Peter Lawford and Bobby Kennedy, in that order. Several other disturbing calls had come intermittently during the night, in which a female voice screamed, "Leave Bobby alone!"

According to some speculators, Robert Kennedy arrived at Monroe's home the afternoon of the fourth. Hollywood detective Fred Otash claims that, "Marilyn and Bobby had a violent argument and she told him that she felt used and passed around. At the end of the argument Marilyn ordered Bobby out of her house.

After the visit Monroe was so distraught that she summoned her psychiatrist, Dr. Greenson, for a 90 minute session--which probably involved an injection of barbiturates similar to one given to her by her internist, Dr. Engleberg, the previous afternoon. By 5:30 P.M, her analyst had left Monroe. Afterward, she talked to her stepson, Joe DiMaggio Jr., and her friend Jeanne Carmen, among others---none of whom believed she was depressed or on drugs.

Informed sources believe Monroe died before midnight, August 4. Housekeeper Eunice Murray found the body and called Ralph Greeson. When publicist Arthur Jacobs, Pat Newcomb's boss, received word, around 10:30 P.M., he rushed to Monroe's house.

The first call from Monroe's house to the outside world came six hours after Arthur Jacobs had been notified. Police sergeant Jack Clemmons was on watch at the West L.A. substation, less than three miles from Monroe's home, when, at 4:25 A.M., the telephone rang. At first the caller, Dr. Ralph Greenson, was so agitated that Clemmons couldn't understand him. "Marilyn Monroe is dead," the psychiatrist said, "she just committed suicide."

When Clemmons arrived at the scene, Eunice Murray led him to the bedroom and gestured toward Monroe's bed. "Marilyn was lying face down in what I call the soldier's position," said Clemmons. "Her hands were by her side and her legs were stretched out perfectly straight. It was the most obviously staged death scene I have ever seen The pill bottles on her bedside table had been arranged in neat order and the body deliberately positioned, It all looked too tidy." Back to Overview

twpdyp
In the final analysis, does it matter. Interesting to talk about but................
vimjams


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In the final analysis, does it matter. Interesting to talk about but................


No, I don't suppose it does considering what you had read (somewhere) was completely wrong.

But there is the real situation that there are viscious cold blooded murderers roaming around that nobody seems too concerned about in bringing to justice.

Vimjams
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twpdyp
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No, I don't suppose it does considering what you had read (somewhere) was completely wrong.

You know I just reread my posts on this topic and no where did I find a place where I said I read anything. After careful consideration, and rereading of panthers post, it does not say I was wrong it just does not neither verify nor nullify my memory. If you have read any of my post you would know that I am always taking the stand of severe punishments for offenders and catching criminals regardless of cost.
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But there is the real situation that there are viscious cold blooded murderers roaming around that nobody seems too concerned about in bringing to justice.

Is that an insinuation that I am not concerned with bringing murderers to justice?
vimjams


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You know I just reread my posts on this topic and no where did I find a place where I said I read anything. After careful consideration, and rereading of panthers post, it does not say I was wrong it just does not neither verify nor nullify my memory. If you have read any of my post you would know that I am always taking the stand of severe punishments for offenders and catching criminals regardless of cost


Ok...You don't actually say you read this anywhere...I just assumed (maybe wrongly) that you were not there at MM's autopsy or that you have a divine knowledge of the subject...and had read a report someplace....Phew, aren't you taking this personally. I don't think I implied (insinuated) anywhere that you are not keen to see murderers brought to justice.

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Is that an insinuation that I am not concerned with bringing murderers to justice?


I was actually saying that there are murderers (apparently officially sanctioned) getting away with their crimes because not many people (none where it matters) who are interested any more...Most likely due to the time elapsed (?)

Vimjams
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twpdyp
vimjams
I do apoligize, I did kind of take it personally. I did lose a very close family member to violent crime and I am very sensitive on this issue. I will try in the future not to take things so personal.
Sincerely
twpdyp
vimjams
twpdyp...Under the circumstances I apologise to you.
When expressing one's own opinion it sometimes can be all too easy to over-look the fact that in 'open forums' those opinions may connect personally to another.

Vimjams
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Angelofmercy
Aww I am so glad that you two made peace wub.gif

However the question still exists. Was MM murdered?

There is no solid evidence to indicate that she was murdered.

But given the circumstances surrounding her death i think its entirely possible that there was foul play involved. Although aren't Mafia hits more direct? Like a bullet? Anyway. I think it's an interesting question and have enjoyed this thread thouroughly. Food for thought right guys?


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vimjams

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Aww I am so glad that you two made peace

Quite...And possibly until I put my 'foot' in it someplace else (?)

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But given the circumstances surrounding her death i think its entirely possible that there was foul play involved.

Absolutely...In my opinion.

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Although aren't Mafia hits more direct? Like a bullet?

Yes...But not as imaginative as the secret services!

Vimjams
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Raydon
What about Marilyn being pregnant? The rumors were that she was pregnant with JFK's baby but she was saying it was Robert Kennedy's baby. Being involved with 2 very powerful men and threatening to expose them could very well be a death sentence!
Squirrel T.
Either way she was destined to die young. She tried suicide many times and was completely miserable inside. She lived through a whole bunch of crap when she was young and continued to live it as a star. I don't think anybody knew the real Norma Jean. Everybody knew the character Marilyn Monroe that took over her life. She probably just had all those love affairs to feel loved. I don't think anybody would want to live a life full of secrets like she did.

I think she died because she has an overdose of some kind of substance through her rectum. I don't think that she took a whole bunch of pills orally. The autopsy proves it is impossible because there wasn't that many pills in her stomach to kill her.
Squirrel T.
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Marylin Monroe Autopsy Photo
Thanato
Here is my opinion on the subject.

She accedently overdossed with her sleeping pills, it happens, alot really. The bruses on her face were because she was lieing on her face and when some one dies blood rushes to the lowest part of hte body and then cloughts there.

There was no trace of pills or anything in her body found because they disapated before the autopsy, well even befor she died.

~Thanato
Squirrel T.
I think that there would have been some trace of her swallowing the pills if it did actually happen, not the actual pills, but something. And to overdose on the pills that she was taking would be quite hard with no water. I heard on a television speacial somewhere that her faucet was broken or turned off and couldn't get any water. And her anus did have some kind of purple fluid or something. Even though I heard the nurse was fired, I think she had something to do with it.
vimjams

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And her anus did have some kind of purple fluid or something.


Leading some to suspect that the 'overdose' of drugs was administered via her anus (?)

Vimjams
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NightMoon
Very interesting topic, and I don't believe the poster who started this thread was an idiot for asking. original.gif
twpdyp
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Here is my opinion on the subject.

She accedently overdossed with her sleeping pills, it happens, alot really. The bruses on her face were because she was lieing on her face and when some one dies blood rushes to the lowest part of hte body and then cloughts there.

There was no trace of pills or anything in her body found because they disapated before the autopsy, well even befor she died.

~Thanato

Here Here a voice of reason, no Conspiracy here
panther10758
Although "no proof" exist of a murder I tend to wonder and the pills not showing in her system at autopsy still makes no sense they should have remained in her system for a while at least and with body not working (being dead) I fail to see how her body could have absorbed them. I see no hard evidence of a murder cover up but I also fail to see concrete evidence of "accidental" overdose as well
twpdyp
http://marilynmonroepages.com/autopsy.html
This is the autopsy report.
http://marilynmonroepages.com/howshedied.html
Various ways she could have died, interesting reading.
lego jedi
Kurt Cobain, Princess Dianna, Elvis, Monroe ect if you are famous and you die without an audience someone killed you. Why? Because these people are elevated to a status of near immortality, where we do not belive they could die prematurely, media hype and idolisation will often make this happen.
My point is not wether or not MM was assassinated but the point that famous people can die without being assassinated.
just my opinion tho.
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panther10758
I find it odd that a site dedicated to UFO's, Alien Abductions, Bigfoot, Psychic abilities etc etc has such a hard time with the possible murder of Ms. Monroe! I certainly cannot say one way or another but I do find it odd
Independent1
QUOTE(lego jedi @ Oct 30 2004, 02:17 PM)
Kurt Cobain, Princess Dianna, Elvis, Monroe ect if you are famous and you die without an audience someone killed you. Why? Because these people are elevated to a status of near immortality, where we do not belive they could die prematurely, media hype and idolisation will often make this happen.
My point is not wether or not MM was assassinated but the point that famous people can die without being assassinated.
just my opinion tho.
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Good point. Depression is a disease that people did not know about back in the 60s.
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