It's simple everyone, we can sit here and debate how much some of you hate President Bush and others hate Senator Kerry and then there are those that just don't agree with either and are going to vote for Ralph Nader (snuffypuffer). But, ladies and gents, I assure you that John Kerry will not win and there is one crucial reason why: The Democrat Party simply does not want it to happen. 3 Reasons/examples why:

1) If John Kerry wins, he is automatically the Democratic nomination for President again in 2008. If this happens, the Democrats (the higher-ups in the party were not all so happy that he won the party election, many democrat higher-ups wanted Wesley Clark) will not be able to put their "puppet" in the office. John Kerry is known as one of the farthest left Senators in the party, this scares people away. If John Kerry wins, the probability of him being re-elected in '08 is small because people will be turned off on his "leftist agenda."

2) The Democrats want to be credited for the next great step in progressive American society. Aka...Hillary Clinton as President. If John Kerry wins, he is running for re-election in '08 and Mrs. Clinton can not run, if he wins re-election, by 2012 people will continue in the regular motion of things in changing the white house to a republican President again (usually happens that way, if a Republican holds office for 8 years, the American public votes Democrat and vice versa). Hillary Clinton was not even supposed to speak at the Democratic National Convention, but the "higher ups" in the Democratic Party believed that it would be good to thrust her onto the national scene in order to set up the American public for seeing a woman running in '08.

3) Bill Clinton, who is still considered the most powerful person from the Democrat party, pulled out from campaigning for Senator Kerry. I don't mean to sound like a whacky crazy conspiracy theorist here, but this whole rant is a theory...so therefore, former President Clinton knew months ago his heart condition was beginning to falter. He stopped jogging every morning, he wasn't eating as healthy...he had a physical earlier this year where supposedly "everything was fine." President Clinton at that time found out that he had a slight heart condition and it could be taken care of. But President Clinton, not sure if even he could help Senator Kerry's bid for the White House, decided to hold off on the operation until it was evident whether Kerry would win or lose. This way, to save his face of backing a failure candidate and to save Hilary's face for '08, he could have a routine heart operation that he knew he needed, right in time for him to no longer be able to campaign and speak publicly in favor of Senator Kerry.

So there you have it folks....it's not only the Republicans, conservatives, and right wingers that don't want John Kerry to win, but his own party has its own agenda and does not want to see it happen.

Bring on the attacks.....

Hmm those are some interesting points that I happen to agree with. Plus I dont like Kerry so

lol, same here!

And like Snuffy, I'm not voting for either either, I'm going to write in Alan Keys. Both of them are bad in my book, Kerry is the worst though.

I agree...Hilary wants the bid for the white house in 08 and if kerry wins she won't get it...but if Bush wins, that means 2 new people running and right now the Republican party doesn't have anyoen that could beat Hilary


Does that scare the crap out of anyone else???

I don't give a sh**.

It looks like everything is falling into place. I've heard much of this on the news and have figured as you have. Yeah, it sure looks like that is what is happening. I told my husband that Kerry was a 'whipping' dog, for the democrats_just someone to put in there til 2008.

on the other hand, they hate Bush enough..

Kerry is a "throw away" Canidate no doubt and Democrats plan was always 2008. Bush has had some problems with Irag so his popularity has dropped otherwise Kerry would be a lost cause already. Beating Bush isnt likely and if by some stretch he does this removes Hilary from 2008 which isnt part of the plan. This reminds me of the Robert Redford film "The Canidate" in which is placed in a race he is meant to lose. All your reasoning is right on Kerry was set up by Democrats to lose inother words he is a throw away canidate. Democrats are looking for another 8 years of Clinton its that simple. Most Democrats really dont support Kerry and 8 years of Kerry would throw their long range plans into the toilet. I plan on voting Bush but not for those reasons. I support Bush and what he has done. This isnt the thread for that debate though yes I agree Kerry isnt meant to win and Democrats planned that from the start

I also agree the Democrates want Hillary Clinton in 2008 I for one wouldn't want Mrs. Clinton to win an election for county dog catcher but that is a debate for another time.

"IF" Kerry were to win then that would remove a Hilary run in 2008

This invokes the inviable question, what would be worse, Kerry becoming President in 2004 or Hillary becoming President in 2008?

Either makes me GAG!!!!!

*groans* I have never been more frightened of the elections...

i'm scared because the so many Republicans on this topic but i'm going to post any way
look if kerry wins the Hillary and a lot of other democrats for that matter are going to get a high posison in the cabinet so so she'll fight for a now job even if it means she'll have to wait another 8 years till she can shote for the moon and most of the democrats hate bush so a lot are will vote any one but bush(like me if i could vote)

When Hitlery becomes president, that is the day we die.

I'm not much into these presidential debates but I'd like to know why Hilary Clinton is so bad. Tell meh.

I can answer that one... *raises hand*... let me, let me....

Hillary is the DEVIL!!!

And Norman... I love the way you ... ahem.... spelled her name... "Hitlery"!!

Very simply...Hillary Clinton is the one who got through the system...the person the gov't shouldve stopped when she was growing up, the person who nobody but ultrafeminists like but would get a large number of votes because of her husbands reputation...ie."one clinton cant be must worse than the other"

Where do I begin?
Here is a woman who either believes her lying husband or is so out of touch with reality that she thinks that oral sex is not sex.
She looks around for a state that best suits her purposes, selects New York, runs for senate, hanging on to hubby's coat tails.
Need I continue...............

And didn't she have a hand in making sure the WACO business come off the way it did ?

twpdyp..I don't think 'talking' about sex is the same as actually 'having' sex.

Vimjams

you can't be serious?

Hilary stayed with Bill for one reason only, the political power and influence.

Simply put, many American men are scared of woman, let alone a strong smart woman that might know just a little to much about man’s evil ways, that this country will not vote a woman into the white house for at least another 100 years.

African American men, who at the time many believed were not even human, were able to vote before white American women. What does this say about the mindset of white American men towards women? Not as much but still substantial, are American woman who are taught and believe that they should be a good dumb house wife and make sure their husband is happy – this is achieved by daily sex, hot meals and limited conversation, and don’t you dare vote for the F’n liberal.

As for Hilary, how do we know she's not getin drilled every night by Dirk Digler as Bill watches. O my bad! I forgot republicans don’t have sex; they have preemptive strikes on people who will not obey them. Kind of sounds like what some men do to their wives when they are none compliant.

For some of the people outside the US who have never been to the US and for the American that has never been outside their home town, there are millions of American males who believe that woman are not equal to men. Wonder where they got that idea!? Woman on average make less then men. America has a Billion dollar Porn industry. America parades young woman on tv for everything possible. America is rated one of the highest in the world for rapes, murders and domestic abuse of woman.

Do we see any flags here? Sirens and flashing red lights – HELLO!!!

And America is going to vote in a woman, this greedy self-centered, belligerent, fat, woman hating, race hating country of people whom majority call them selves Christians and good people are going to vote a woman in. PHES YA! If and when this happens, it would be the beginning of true hope.

Men are evil, I know, I read it in the Bible, so why not give women the helm?

i love women, i hate feminists



and there are plenty of nazi feminists who think the same wayy

Generally, Im not worried about a group of bigoting morons who have fell from power. If I were you, I would worry about having "A near retarded maniac" in power.


on another note

---I believe a woman, is not there to by idolized or looked at. She is a human being, as much as you or I. And if anything, if your trying to build a relationship with one you should treat them like there Irreplacable.

Sorry Bathory....And there's me being polite because I am thinking all this time that you were a 'Feminist'

Vimjams

of course, they are human beings, on the otherhand, physical attraction or at least ones physical self is also incredibly important, i don't know what i would do if i werne't allowed to admire the female form:(



wah? and why would you think that?
some feminist theory does have merit, other is nothing more than fascists pushing for a matriarchial society:P

am i a feminist? no, i'm as much a feminist as i am a marxist, a capitalist etc etc plenty of ideologies have nice points about them, people get to caught up with defining themselves with just one, which i think is stupid.

besides i'm a bloke, its again'st my religion to be a feminist:P

I was joking Bathory...just joking

Vimjams

ahh well

I will reframe from judging Hilary although I don't care for her. I strongly feel that there are many women who would make wonderful Presidents and I would vote for in a heartbeat but Hilary is NOT one of them

what would be delightfully ironic, is if she also got caught doing a chubby intern too!

Oh Yes that would be priceless

I don't hate feminists. I hate those moronic feminazis who think that society can progress without men at this point in time, or any point for that matter.

When God created humans he created man and woman at the same time, (Yes I do belive in the story of Lilith), he created us to be capable of createing offspring.

Even if we can create life through other means I can garanty you all there is going to be a problem with the prossess.

Man and Woman were always meant to live side by side as equals. Even if we men screwed it up roaly.

Ok I have on thing to say about Hitlery. Picture her our commander and chief of our beloved country? ... I was an enthuisast about a female and african american president but Hillary?

Hillary Clinton as our commander and chief, ohhhhh my I do believe I am going to hurl............
I have young children and find just the thought of them having to either finish growing up or starting out their adult lives under a Hillary Clinton moon to be more frightening than any other possibility I can conjure up in my feeble little brain. In my mind she ranks up there with the likes of Jane Fonda
(aka-Hanoi Jane), Barbarba Streisand, and the Manson Girls(remember them). Now I am all for equal rights for women as long as they are women, Hillary Clinton I don't think genetically qualifies as a woman.

Grewat points. I'm not american, nor am I old enough to vote, But no matter what happens, bush cannot win.

But you completely missed my point, George W. Bush needs to win. It is, in my opinion the only chance The United States has.

How? I'm just curious. How could the guy who got us into a modern day Veitnam be our only chance?

Quick prediction.

There will not be an election in 2008.

Don't matter who wins this year.

Major war will break out early 2005

All major nations involved.

Very Little left

Have a nice day

Hillary elected President in 2008? Terrifying.I believe there is another thread going titled "When will the world end?"I'd say the day that she-devil becomes President would be it.

I have to disagree that she rode the coat tails of Bill,if anything it was the other way around.She was the driving force behind his rise to power.If not for her he probably would have been nothing more than a small time lawyer in Little Rock, spending his time harassing paralegals and getting his buddies out of DUI charges while chasing the occasional ambulance.

I think i would rather John Kerry be President in 2004 than Hillary in 2008..Lesser of two evils i think but, I will be voting for Bush, just like the rest of my state.

I thought he had a reserved seat in the back of one.

It seems a little far fetched that the Dems would put Hillary as a possible candidate.

A. She was never a member of Skull and bones. (Joke before being serious)

B. The power brokers in this country will not allow a woman to be president. (Nothing anti-female, just stating facts.) While it may sound good on paper, in reality, even rich dems want a man at the helm in times of global trouble. If anyone thinks things are calming down with the war on terror, we haven't even seen the worst of it yet.

C. Other than being the driving force behind Slick Willy, her time in politics is all behind the scenes, plus only 2 terms if she is re-elected in N.Y.

D. While she made a good showing in New York, she does not have strong support in other states, particulary in the west at this time.

E. From a person who knows, the U.S. will not see a viable female presidential hopeful until 2012, if that soon. Current odds are around 2020. Long after I'm dead and gone.

I believe that George W. Bush will win because of the following reasons:

#1) The Bush family has already invested Billions of American dollars not only in Afghanistan, but also in the oil fields of IRAQ.

They will lay the important foundation of setting up OIL rigs, so that they will be able to control the OIL.

#2) Bush and Kerry are both Skull & Bones member.

#3) Just like the last election, the US vote will be rigged. Of course, BUsh winning by a margin.

Now with regards to Hillary, well, I don't think it will be Hillary who will be the Democrats presidential candidate in 2008.

But it will be two American immigrant, namely Arnold Schwazenegger for the Republicans , and Barack Obama for the Democrats.



I don't know if you will all agree, but right now, they are upcoming stars in the US political scenario.

...just my two cents worth

I have to disagree, to be President of The United States you must be a born citizen of this country. I do believe I am right on this issue, but I will do a little research and find out.

Iraq has not turned into a modern day Vietnam, we were involved in Vietnam for approx. 11 years, correct. We have not been in Iraq no where near that long. If I may also make a point, the politicians need to let the warriors make the war, give them what they say they need and leave them to do their jobs. We worry to much about what the another country may say about us at the U.N. Forgive me but we should pull out of the U.N. and throw it out of our country, perhaps France would love to host it. It is after all full of their wonderful friends.

he'll win because america use the daft electoral college system which allows the few to rule the many.

which is teh only reason why socialism has never taken off in america, if you scrap that system socialism will be shed in its proper light as apose to the way its trodden on by your democrats and republican parties made out to be something which it is not.

how does it allow the few to rule the many? i think you'll find the more densely populated states manage to hold more power, the electoral college system stops the larger states from swamping the smaller states

really? coz someone from your country said that Arnie & Obama are the hottest candidate for the 2008 election.

Is being born in the USA the criteria? if so, how come Arnie was able to run for California's Governor?

I remember he became a US citizen, before entering the electoral race

I was referring to Federal Elections, not state elections.

You have to be a natural born citizen to become President of the United States.This was done to keep the King of England from coming here and running for the office.An immigrant who has become a citizen can hold any other elected or appointed office such as Govenor (Arnie) or Secretary of State (Albright under Clinton) but can NOT be President.I believe the only other requirement is to be at least 36 years of age.

Article II

Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:


Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.


The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.


The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.


No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.


In case of the removal of the President from office, or of his death, resignation, or inability to discharge the powers and duties of the said office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.


The President shall, at stated times, receive for his services, a compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that period any other emolument from the United States, or any of them.


Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.


He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.


The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.


Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.


Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.



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