Warpigs
Oct 9 2004, 08:48 PM

This image is an overexposed 44x enlargement of Lunar Orbiter frame LO-III-84-M. Taken with the medium resolution camera at a distance of at least 250 miles, it shows an object dubbed by Hoagland the "Shard". The star-like object above the "Shard" is a camera registration mark. The "Shard" has a shadow cast in the correct direction for it to be a real object on the Moon and is aligned with the local vertical rather than the grain of the film, decreasing the chance it is an emulsion abnormality. Close-ups reveal a cellular-like internal structure. Above and behind the "Shard" is the "Tower", a massive 7 mile high structure with a central "cube" suspended by a tripod like base. Enhancements of the "Tower" show a similar cellular construction to the "Shard", but with a distinctly hexagonal pattern.

Poor resolution images like this one of the "Shard" have led some to conclude it is an ephemeral "outgassing" event. However, the Enterprise Mission enhancements reveal no "spray" or splatter which would be consistent with such a conclusion. The object appears to be solid , though badly battered by meteors.
Note - These images are from Public Domain sources - not the Enterprise Mission. There are significantly better images of these and other anomalies at the Enterprise Mission web site. - MB

This extraordinary object comes from AS10-32-4822, an Apollo hand held Hasselblad photo. The "Castle" is extremely bright and plainly visible at normal magnification, making it nearly impossible for the astronaut taking the picture to have missed it. This UNENHANCED version of it shows the remarkable stacking of it's segments and belies a natural explanation, especially when you consider it is hanging several miles high in the Lunar sky. EM enhancements show a supporting structure, including a drooping cable passing through the tip, like a suspension bridge.

This large area near the crater Ukert is strikingly rectilinear and has a very distinct and unnatural looking boundary.
Tillghast
Oct 9 2004, 09:12 PM
Woah. Those are crazy!
Warpigs
Oct 9 2004, 09:15 PM
These images represent but a few of the many anomalous images available from NASA archives. The noted features in the images below suggest a far more interesting picture of the moon than is typically painted by mainstream astronomy, which characterizes our satellite as a stark, bland, lifeless rock. So far no adequate explanation has been presented, by either the space agency or the astronomical community, for the curiosities contained within these official NASA photographs. The hypothesis that features such as the "double craters" and "square crater," which appear on Lunar Orbiter III frame 85HI and Apollo 10's AS10-32-4822, respectively, are the work of intelligence, is as valid as any standard theory.
Below are several enlargements of what I consider to be some of the most compelling anomalies in available lunar imagery. The first image shows a strange triangular "crater," Ukert, the unusual shape of which was first noted by Richard Hoagland of The Enterprise Mission in a Lick Observatory photograph (below left). The Pentagon's recent rush mission to the moon, dubbed Clementine, returned images of Ukert which confirmed its angular internal structure and three bright spots spaced approximately 120 degrees apart (below right).

The following image presents quite a puzzle. Peppered throughout the lunar landscape are dozens and dozens of "double craters," the likes of which can never be expected to be seen in any standard model of the moon. Further confounding is the fact that the "doublets" are almost always divided at their midpoint, and are similarly aligned. The doubling is clearly not an imaging error effect, as not all of the features in the image are duplicated. [4/19/00 revision - See "'Double craters' likely to be imaging artifacts" for opposing view] Note, also, that the two similarly sized large craters in the center of the image appear to have a hexagonal shape. Obviously, something is amiss in this photo. It has been suggested that the doublets are not craters at all, but rather two-pronged "braces" supporting much larger structures suspended above the lunar surface.

Following is one of at least 12 known versions of Apollo 10 frame AS10-32-4822. (Exactly why there are a dozen or more versions of this frame is outside the scope of this brief overview, though that fact begs some explanation by the space agency.) Though it is inexplicably blacked out in the official NASA image catalogue, frame "4822" can still be ordered from the space agency. The image shows a number of striking anomalies, not the least of which is a vast region of rectilinear structure looking for all the world like an extremely dilapidated city (hence its nickname "L.A. on the moon"). Other strange features include a peculiar square "crater" scored by razor straight notches and surrounded by honeycomb like "mountains."
http://www.controversial-science.com/artif...-anomalies.html
Warpigs
Oct 9 2004, 09:18 PM
How would something on the Moon be hanging several miles above the sky?
Creepy.
Tillghast
Oct 10 2004, 01:33 AM
Those are very creepy. Post more!
dunderhead
Oct 10 2004, 09:18 AM
Well done on your posts Warpigs, very interesting pics and read!
The triangular crater and the castle thing in the lunar sky looks so strange! Good stuff!.......
Warpigs
Oct 10 2004, 10:18 PM
Objects in the sky over the Moon.

Figure 4 is significant primarily because of its location in the vicinity of the Apollo 12 landing site, and the usual assortment of bright "debris" in the dark sky above. Most noticably, there is a large "spike" very similar to one noted by Hoagland (Martian Horizons, the Journal of the Mars Mission, Vol.2, No.5) over Mare Crisium. It is also reminiscent of an object in figure 5, again above the Lunar horizon.
The sheer volume of these bright objects in the Lunar sky has now become an issue on it's own. Either NASA had big problems with its care and maintenance of the Lunar Orbiter and Apollo photographs (as has been alleged by some debunkers) or there is ALOT of "stuff" hanging in the Lunar sky which ought not to be there.
The "haze" of bright spots was visible and somewhat more pronounced in the source material, but other features, the "spike" for example, were not. The NSSDC negative should provide an excellent comparison between the two disparate data sets, and hopefully show whether these anomalies are merely dust, scratches, or actual Lunar objects.
http://www.lunaranomalies.com/f4anal.htm
Warpigs
Oct 10 2004, 10:31 PM
Huge machine on the Moon?

The "Longhorn"
This looks to be a basically symmetrical object with 2 central "nodes" and curved arms extending from the central body. There appears to be some underlying support just to the left of the right hand curved "arm", but the central spherical "node" looks to be above the ground, judging by the shadow beneath it. Note that is also sits in what resembles an excavated "pen" or platform, which is reasonably rectilinear from this resolution. I am not aware of any accepted process that could account for this object forming naturally.
Using CATIA, Computer Aided Three Dimensional Interactive Application, I have created a three dimensional interpretation of the "Longhorn" from the Tycho Anomalies page (A Village on the Moon?). Since some objects are difficult to discern from 2D photography, I hoped that creating a 3D model might help to pick out general form and background details. Using this method, it becomes fairly obvious just how impossible it is for this object to be natural. Steve and I now examining further images in the hopes of confirming the shape and detail. I have included the Clementine image for comparison.
I have also captured a number of images of this model to create a 360 degree rotation around the "Longhorn".
http://www.lunaranomalies.com/new_3d_rendering_of_the.htm
Warpigs
Oct 10 2004, 10:40 PM
Astronauts amongst "glass domes"and being kept secret by NASA?
On the 21 March, 1996, Richard C.Hoagland held a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. Here he presented a number of new, stunning NASA photos taken during the Apollo Lunar Missions showing astronauts among highly eroded, massive, ancient, alien glass structures!
Unfortunately, the US Press "blacked-out" this press conference, no major news networks such as C-SPAN, CNN, NBC or ABC broadcast this live as had been expected. Others simply ridiculed Hoagland in the 30 second sound bite at the "bottom-of-the-hour" news programs. Fortunately not all journalists gave Hoagland this disgusting treatment - (see the Sarah McClendon Report).
Blow-up of part of Apollo 10 frame 4822 (AS-10-32-4822) of an enormous "specular reflection" of the sun from a mile-sized sheet of glass! [Large Version]

Frame 4822 is a "mystery frame" since Hoagland has at least 10 different versions of this frame. On the photo catalogues this frame appears blacked out. NASA seems to have hidden a whole sequence of images by giving them the same frame number!
A photograph of astronaut Alan Bean shows the photographer, Pete Conrad, reflected in Bean's helmet visor. Also reflected in the visor is a "geometric object" hanging several feet above the lunar surface. Also visible is the shadow created by this object. The object seems to be suspended in a "grid" of surrounding glass-like structure!
Warpigs
Oct 10 2004, 10:42 PM
Standing in front of a "glass dome"?
Warpigs
Oct 10 2004, 10:44 PM
Warpigs
Oct 10 2004, 10:46 PM
Apollo 14 astronaut, Ed Mitchell is putting up the TV camera at Fra Mauro ... apparently oblivious to a highly complex, 3-D, glass structure arching overhead! Note the numerous horizontal, vertical and diagonal linear features.

Notice the "glass-like" object in the background?
Warpigs
Oct 10 2004, 10:49 PM
Strange "glass-like" object behing astronaut
Apollo 12 astronaut, Alan Bean can be seen carrying an ALSEP science package to its deployment site. In the distance, the lunar module "Intrepid" is visible. On further enhancement, a photographic artifact (a lens flare) can be seen "framing" the astronaut. However note the sparkling, highly geometric material clearly visible ALL OVER the sky in this version of the photo.
Stellar
Oct 10 2004, 10:54 PM
About that reflection off of the visor... the Soviets had sent a secret probe to the moon to arrive, pick up a sample of the moons surface, and return just before Apollo 11, so that it could claim it won and it did with a robot what it took american people to do. It may very well be that probe.
Warpigs
Oct 10 2004, 11:02 PM
Glass dome again.

This may be a photograph of the extraordinary glass dome covering the region of the moon known as Sinus Medii. It was taken by the unmanned Surveyor 6 on November 24, 1967, one hour after sunset.

(Above)
Soviet example of a "lunar dome"? This photo, taken by the Soviet Zond 3 unmanned spacecraft (July 20, 1965), was taken on the farside of the moon. Did this photo and other similar ones cause the sudden cancellation of a manned Soviet circumlunar mission only 3 years later? The structure rises ten miles above the lunar limb!
Velikovsky
Oct 11 2004, 07:03 AM
Great posts Warpigs,
Are you suggesting an ancient civilization or an alien base?
mars1102
Oct 11 2004, 08:33 PM
Nice post, this is really interesting. maybe the moon was once a base of operations for a more intelligent life form?
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 08:35 PM
I think its ancient. The study of the photos says that some of the anomalies are pockmarked by ancient meteor bombarments. So they could be thousands of years old!
But many astronauts have reported seeing UFO's on the Moon. Neil Armstrong himself said that he saw huge UFO's watching him from a rim of a crater as he walked on the Moon and he even, supposedly, told Houston that he saw massive "ships" flying above of a technology so far advanced than what he could conceive of that it scared him. He also said that the aliens didn't want us there, which could be a reason why NASA hasn't sent a person to the Moon since the 1970's.
When I find the real conversation between Armstrong and Mission Control over that incidence, I'll post it.
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 08:42 PM
Neil Armstrong & Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin
According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon.
According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard.
According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:
NASA: Whats there?
Mission Control calling Apollo 11...
Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous!
OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it!
I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there,
Lined up on the far side of the crater edge!
They're on the Moon watching us!
A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?
Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known
there was a possibility, the fact is, we were
warned off!(by the Aliens). There was never any
question then of a space station or a moon city.
Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?
Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their
ships were far superior to ours both in size and
technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing!
No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?
Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and
couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a
quick scoop and back again.
According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha:
"Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But this message was never heard by the public -- because NASA censored it."
According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside.
Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 08:47 PM
Major Gordon Cooper
One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar.
Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.
Major Cooper was a firm believer in UFOs. Ten years earlier, in 1951 he had sighted a UFO while piloting an F-86 Sabrejet over Western Germany. They were metallic, saucer-shaped discs at considerable altitude and could out-maneuver all American fighter planes.
Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations:
"I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs."
"I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."
And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said:
"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public.
Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed...I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 08:48 PM
Ed White & James McDivitt
In June 1965, astronauts Ed White (first American to walk in space) and James McDivitt were passing over Hawaii in a Gemini spacecraft when they saw a weird-looking metallic object. The UFO had long arms sticking out of it. McDivitt took pictures with a cine-camera. Those pictures have never been released.
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 08:49 PM
James Lovell and Frank Borman
In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.
During James Lovell's flight on Gemini 7:
Lovell: BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.
Capcom: This is Houston. Say again 7.
Lovell: SAID WE HAVE A BOGEY AT 10 O'CLOCK HIGH.
Capcom: Gemini 7, is that the booster or is that an actual sighting?
Lovell: WE HAVE SEVERAL...ACTUAL SIGHTING.
Capcom: ...Estimated distance or size?
Lovell: WE ALSO HAVE THE BOOSTER IN SIGHT...
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 08:52 PM
Commander Eugene Cernan
Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs:
"...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 08:53 PM
NASA's Maurice Chatelain
In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. Chatelain believes that some UFOs may come from our own solar system -- specifically Titan.
"The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now."
"...all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."
"I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words."
The rumors persist. NASA may well be a civilian agency, but many of its programs are funded by the defence budget and most of the astronauts are subject to military security regulations. Apart from the fact that the National Security Agency screens all films and probably radio communications as well. We have the statements by Otto Binder, Dr. Garry Henderson and Maurice Chatelain that the astronauts were under strict orders not to discuss their sightings. And Gordon Cooper has testified to a United Nations committee that one of the astronauts actually witnessed a UFO on the ground. If there is no secrecy, why has this sighting not been made public?
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Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 08:58 PM
NASA's Scott Carpenter
"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 09:04 PM
APOLLO 17 December 7-19, 1972 (Cernan, Evans, Schmitt)
Reported to have seen UFO's near earth, on route and around the moon.
SPACE SHUTTLE DISCOVERY March 1989 03/14/89 6:42 EST
"Uh Houston, this is Discovery. We still have the alien spacecraft under (observance)????" (note last word difficult to make out on tape). The previous statement was recorded by Baltimore resident Donald Ratsch (MUFON member) from a HAM radio rebroadcast between the space shuttle Discovery and Houston ground control. The HAM broadcast was direct from the shuttle without going through the delayed filter used on the officail NASA public feed. The NASA select audio channel did not contain this one way broadcast from the shuttle to ground control. The HAM station making the rebroadcast was WA3NAN Goddard Amatuer Radio Club in Greenbelt, MD transmitting on 147.450 MHZ. Preliminary analysis shows that the voice could be either Michael Coats (Commander) or John E. Blaha (pilot). The recording was sent for further expert voice analysis the results of which are unknown at this time to the author.
Diebytheflyguy
Oct 11 2004, 09:13 PM
Great posts Warpigs...
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 09:24 PM
GORDON COOPER
Gordon Cooper was one of the best trained US astronauts having flown on Mercury 9 and Gemini 5. Yet he was not selected to fly an Apollo mission. It is speculated that Cooper did not play the game correctly when it comes to the UFO situation. It is interesting that Cooper has developed an interest in ancient civilizations and in fact participated in an expedition to South American that discovered the remnants of a very old and advanced civilization dating back over 5000 years. One is tempted to ask why the sudden interest on the part of a former astronaut in "ancient astronaut" type endevours.
A fellow officer once said of Cooper. "We all knew where Gordon was going to end up in ten years. He was going to be Chairman of The Joint Chiefs of Staff. (what happened that he didn't?) In July 1960 Cooper was interviewed by Yvonne S. Durfield and had this to say about UFO's. "I don't take UFO's seriously. I would be very skeptical." In March 1978 Cooper stated to the National Enquirer "UFO's are definately real" It is interesting that his two flights into space occurred between the dates of the two interviews. Cooper went on to make a written statement to the United Nations supporting Grenada's Prime Minister Eric Gairy proposal that the UN establish a UFO agency.(1979?)
In his book MJ12 & THE RIDDLE OF HANGER 18 Beckley quotes Cooper as saying "UFO's are, I believe, very likely travellers from some other planet; visitors from some other world that is hundreds of thousands of years more advanced than we are, and they certainly have a far more efficient sytem of propulsion than we have."
During an interview on the Merv Griffin Show, Merv asked the following of Gordon Cooper. "There is a story going around, Gordon, that a spaceship did land in middle America and there were occupants, and members of our government were able to keep one of the occupants alive for some period of time. They've seen the metal of the aircraft and know what the people look like - is that a credible story? To everyones surprise Cooper answers with a straight face "I think it's fairly credible. I would like to see the time when all qualified people could really work together to properly investigate these stories and either refute or prove them." Later the next morning Lee Spiegel a UFO researcher and aquaintance of Cooper talked to Cooper on the phone. During this conversation Cooper admitted that he could have revealed further information on the Merv Griffin Show but did not because he did not want to raise too many official eyebrows.
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 09:30 PM
GEMINI IV June 4, 1965 (James A. McDivitt, Edward White)
With White asleep McDivitt reports an unidentified object. He manages to take some footage of the object on a movie camera that was mounted inside the capsule. The object was first spotted over the Hawaiian Islands. Later over the Caribbean both astronauts report seeing two more objects. One of the movie frames was released to the press and has been reprinted in many books including Frank Edward's book "Flying Saucers Serious Business". The photo shows an egg shaped object with a comet like trail or glow coming out of it. The movie camera was using 16mm Eastman color film shooting at 6 frames per second. The object was yellow - white in color. In the transcript that follows McDivitt is reporting to the Capsule Communicator.
29 40 45C . . . Hawaii . . .
29 52 09 CC Gemini 4, Guaymas CAP COM
29 52 12C Go ahead. Guaymas. Gemini 4.
29 52 14 CC Roger. We've got you green, how are you doing up there?
29 52 17C Fine. I just saw something else up here with me, but just as I was getting close enough to take a good picture the sun got in the way and l lost it.
29 52 26 CC Roger. We got some flight plan changes for you. Want to stand by to copy?
29 52 29C Yes. Stand by and let me see if I can find this thing again.
29 52 45C . . . and there are a great number of thunderstorms around at the present time. Lightning is actually lighting up the interior of the spacecraft... activity ... thunderstorms . . .
29 53 35C Okay. ,Go ahead. It doesn't look like I'm going to see him again.
29 57 09 CC That's affirm - you still looking at the thing up there?
29 57 12C No I've lost it. It had big arms sticking out of it, it looked like. I only had it for just a minute. I got a couple of pictures with a movie camera and one with the Hasselblad; but I was in free drift, before I could get the control back I drifted and lost it.
29 57 29 CC Good show.
McDivitt has publicly denied having seen a aliencraft and states that the released picture was not the object that he saw. The released picture was a light reflection off the copilot's window. McDivitt believes that what he saw was a manmade satellite which was probably not acknowledged for defence security reasons. Unlike many of the astronauts McDivitt has been willing to speak about his incident
with the public and press.
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 09:39 PM
APOLLO 8DEC. 1968 (FRANK BORMAN, JAMES A. LOVELL, WILLIAM A. ANDERS)
During this flight as the command module emerged from behind the moon Lovell transmits "We have been informed that Santa Claus does exist!". As this occurred on christmas day 1968 it is deemed by many to have been Lovell's sense of humor for the kiddies watching the broadcast. Some speculate that it is the use of the code word originally employed by Walter Schirra on the Mercury 8 flight. On Christmas eve Borman and Lovell are reported to have seen a UFO.
It is reported that an unidentified language was picked up on one of the NASA frequencies used during the mission!
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 09:41 PM
APOLLO 11 July 1969 (Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, Buzz Aldrin)
Supposedly two ufo's hovered overhead as Armstrong prepared to step down the ladder of the LEM at the Sea of Tranquility. Aldrin is reported to have taken several pictures of them. Modern People magazine published what they claim to be some of these photographs in their June 1975 issue. They claim to have gotten the pictures from a Japanese source.
Thats interesting because I recall watching the broadcast of this historic event on the Canadian network coverage. You know I seem to recall them discussing at some point a light which kept appearing while the astronauts were actually on the surface. I recall thinking that it was really interesting and then it just seemed to be dropped. I dont think that I am that senile yet . Do any of you reading this have similar recollections. If so please let me know.
One explanation for the halo's seen around or near some of the Appollo astronauts was that it was gases being vented from their backpacks. I have one picture which was reported to be something unusual in close proximity to one of the astronauts. It would clearly appear to be coming from the backpack when observed closely.
Timothy Good writes that HAM radio operators receiving the VHF signals directly picked up the following message which was screened by NASA from the public.
Mission Control: What's there?
Mission Control calling Apollo 11.
Apollo 11: These babies are huge, sir ... enormous....Oh, God, you wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other space craft out there... lined up on the far side of the crater edge... they're on the moon watching us.
Good uses "SAGA UFO SPECIAL #3" as a source for this quote. The following is an excerpt from the transcript of the Apollo 11 technical debriefing.
Aldrin: The first unusual thing that we saw I guess was one day out or something pretty close to the moon. It had a sizeable dimension to it, so we put the monocular on it.
Collins: How'd we see this thing? Did we just look out the window and there it was.
Aldrin: Yes, and we weren't sure but what it might be the S-IVB. We called the ground and were told the S-IVB was 6,000 miles away. We had a problem with the high gain about this time, didn't we?
Collins: There was something. We felt a bump or maybe I just imagined it.
Armstrong: He was wondering whether the MESA had come off.
Collins: I don't guess we felt anything.
Aldrin: Of course, we were seeing all sorts of little objects going by at the various dumps and then we happened to see this one brighter object going by. We couldn't think of anything else it could be other than the S-IVB. We looked at it through the monocular and it seemed to have a bit of an L shape to it.
Armstrong: Like an open suitcase.
Aldrin: We were in PTC at the time so each of us had a chance to take a look at this and it certainly seemed to be within our vicinity and of a very sizeable dimension.
Armstrong: We should say it was right at the limit of the resolution of the eye. It was very difficult to tell what shape it was. And there was no way to tell the size without knowing the range or the range without knowing the size.
Aldrin: So then I got down in the LEB and started looking for it in the optics. We were grossly misled because with the sextant off focus what we saw appeared to be a cylinder.
Armstrong: Or really two rings.
Aldrin: Yes.
Armstrong: Two rings. Two connected rings.
Aldrin: Yes.
Collins: No, it looked like a hollow cylinder to me. It didn't look like two connected rings. You could see this thing tumbling and, when it came around end-on, you could look right down in it's guts. It was a hollow cylinder. But then you could change the focus on the sextant and it would be replaced by this open book shape. It was really weird.
Aldrin: I guess there's not too much more to say about it other than it wasn't a cylinder.
Collins: It was during the period when we thought it was a cylinder that we inquired about the S-IVB and we'd almost convinced ourselves that's what it had to be. But we don't have any more conclusions than that really. The fact that we didn't see it much past this one period - we really don't have a conclusion as to what it might have been, how big it was, or how far away it was. It was something that wasn't part of the urine dump, we're pretty sure of that.
In his book "RETURN TO EARTH" Colonel Edwin E. Aldrin Jr. writes the following on pages 223-224. I quote directly.
In the middle of one evening, Houston time, I found myself idly staring out the window of the Columbia and saw something that looked a bit unusual. It appeared brighter than any star and not quite the pinpoints of light that stars are. I pointed this out to Mike and Neil, and the three of us were beset with curiosity. With the help of the monocular we guessed that whatever it was, it was only a hundred or so miles away. Looking at it through our sextant we found it occasionaly formed a cylinder, but when the sextant's focus was adjusted it had a sort of illuminated "L" look to it. It had a shape of some sort - we all agreed on that - but exactly what it was we couldnt pin down. We asked Houston some casual questions: "How far away is the Saturn third stage?" The response was in the vicinity of six thousand miles. That wasn't it. It could possibly have been one of the panels of the Saturn third stage which fly off to expose the LM and cannot be traced from earth. We could see it for about forty-five seconds at a time as the ship rotated, and we watched it on and off for about an hour. We debated whether or not to tell the ground we had spotted something, and decided against it. Our reason was simple: The UFO people would descend on the message in hordes, setting off another rash of UFO spottings back on earth. We concluded it was most likely on of the panels. Its course appeared in no way to conflict with ours, and it presented no danger. We dropped the matter there.
In his book "Carrying The Fire" astronaut Michael Collins the command module pilot makes no mention of this incident.
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 09:53 PM
MERCURY 9
May 16, 1963 - Gordon Cooper
On his final orbit Cooper radioed Muchea tracking station near Perth Australia that he was being approached by a greenish object moving east to west. This is unusual in that it is the opposite direction from most manmade orbits. More than 100 persons saw the object on tracking gear. Following the mission newsmen were informed that they would not be allowed to question Cooper on this aspect of the flight.
It is also reported that a voice transmission was picked up on a special frequency which could not be correlated with any known language.
It should be noted that Cooper has publicly denied having seen any UFO in connection with this flight. He did confirm that he saw the Aurora Australis which was multi-colored and may have been taken by some as a UFO sighting.
Major Gordon Cooper
One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar.
Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.
Major Cooper was a firm believer in UFOs. Ten years earlier, in 1951 he had sighted a UFO while piloting an F-86 Sabrejet over Western Germany. They were metallic, saucer-shaped discs at considerable altitude and could out-maneuver all American fighter planes.
Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations:
"I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets..."
Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs.
"I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."
And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said:
"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public.
Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed... I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."
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Velikovsky
Oct 11 2004, 09:59 PM
Another quick question, if these domes exist on the moon, given the advances with amateur telescopes, why has no one else ever seen the domes and reported them? Or if there is an alien base as well why has no one ever seen the ufo's on the moon with a telescope?
That would blow the conspiracy out of the water and anyone could verify it's truth by looking with a telescope. there would be no way to cover it up.
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 10:06 PM
Many people have reported seeing strange lights on the Moon. They are called "LTPs" which means "Lunar Transient Phenomena." They look just like dots of light. But could also be sunlight glinting off the surfaces of the domes.
It's still a mystery as to what LTP's are.
Warpigs
Oct 11 2004, 10:17 PM
People often report seeing strange lights on the Moon. Their causes remain a mystery. Here is an LTP website -
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~rhill/alpo/lunarstuff/ltp.html
Macro Mouse
Oct 12 2004, 01:52 AM
There is no way life could have started and evolved on the moon, let alone become advanced enough to build artifacts. Doesn't even have the most basic necessities for life ... no true atmosphere, no liquid water. Never did have these either, given the extremely high crater count.
Of course, that's an obvious no-duh statement for most. Now this doesn't mean that ancient civilizations could've developed elsewhere and had bases on the moon or something. But the whole idea sounds far-fetched to me ... what was so special about the moon? What was so special about our solar system? I'd think if there were advanced aliens at the time of our solar system's youth, they'd pick an older solar system w/ much less protoplanet and asteroid bombardment to colonize or set up bases. Could be real artifacts, can't prove they aren't ... but I don't buy it.
Interesting nonetheless ... awesome pics and articles -- MM
vimjams
Oct 12 2004, 02:50 AM
This is a very interesting topic Warpigs...And I too am convinced that there are anomalies and 'out of place' objects on the moon. I have been ever since reading 'Someone Else Is On Our Moon' by H Leonard.
I hope this post and your contributions continue...I'm going to enjoy reading the developments.
Vimjams
blazer2004
Oct 14 2004, 05:56 PM
wasent this the first landing on the moon i heard they faked the landing??
sunspot
Oct 14 2004, 11:26 PM
QUOTE(blazer2004 @ Oct 14 2004, 06:56 PM)
wasent this the first landing on the moon i heard they faked the landing??
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.....faked the landing? LOL
Bogeyman
Oct 16 2004, 10:40 AM
Y'now i've heard most of these Stories of Astronauts seeing this or seeing that but when you actually see them interviewed on the subject they never really come out and say "yes we've seen" them do they ?.
Which puts all these so called quotations into the world of urban legend.Dont get me wrong i'd love to haer an astronaut speak out and admit publicly some of the things theyve seen but as yet i'm not convinced.Last week i heard Gordon Coopers last interview with George Noory an Rense.com...and even in this he never categorically admits to ever seeing anything putting it beyond doubt ...and even says that quotes are attributed to him that never happened....nevertheless a great thread guys.....I love the moon anomaly stuff but surely theres got to be a way of getting some good quality photos ....The moon anomaly shots could really be anything if we're really honest about it.
Nethius
Oct 16 2004, 12:31 PM
from what i've read those quotes never happened. the most the ever stated is flashing, or streaks of lights in front of thier eyes, but these are caused by solar flares penetrating the eyeball
Kryso
Oct 16 2004, 12:59 PM
Very good post Warpigs.
I will spend more time going through all your accumulated work and make a more interesting post about it. But your time and effort is appreciated.
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