From todays paper:
Wangari Maathai, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last week for her environmental activism, claims Aids was created on purpose.
"It was created by a scientist for biological warfare," Maathai was quoted as saying by the Nairobi, Kenya news agency.
She claims it did not come from monkeys, since "we have been living with monkeys since time immemorial."
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OHHH!!! i read about that in the boston globe!!!! shes gotta be crazy! im telling ya!
yeah..seriously, we barely have the technology to alter existing viruses in the way we want to, speaking as a scientist, the creation of a virus out of scratch would be pretty darn hard and i would LOVE to know how they pulled that one off...
There's a documentary called 'The Stecker Memorandum' that claims that AIDS is a man made virus because it has no similarities with the green monkey viruses but it does with other animals. He claims that if two different viruses were put into the same tissue at the same time it would create the two genes plus a hybrid.
It is strange how the WHO askedabout creating such a virus before it was created and the injections given to gays seemed to cause the AIDS which appeared in that year. Also the doctor doing it seemed to express concern about contamination.
It is strange how the WHO askedabout creating such a virus before it was created and the injections given to gays seemed to cause the AIDS which appeared in that year. Also the doctor doing it seemed to express concern about contamination.
is that all? why is this creating such a buzz if its based on 1 environmentalists word with no evidence?
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There's a documentary called 'The Stecker Memorandum' that claims that AIDS is a man made virus
AIDS is caused by a virus. Viruses are living organisms. We have not acuired even the Nth degree of technology necessary to creat even the most simplest of life forms. Nut case mentality...nothing more.
sadly shes going to be more known for this crazy idea then for her enviormental stuff 
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AIDS is caused by a virus. Viruses are living organisms. We have not acuired even the Nth degree of technology necessary to creat even the most simplest of life forms. Nut case mentality...nothing more.
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You couldn't be more wrong there, Scientists have been creating genetically engineered organisms for quite a while now.
Scientists can create gentically engineered organisms :True
But they cannot CREATE the organism, they can only work with what's already there. They can't create a new "something" from just dna...that's not possible.
Could they take a known harmless virus and using molecular biology techniques engineer a different strain? YES. But they can't create a virus from scratch and given the characteristics of HIV i just don't see how it's possible they could have engineered an already existing virus. It's just too complex. We don't even know all of how it does what it does, let alone how to make one that does it
But they cannot CREATE the organism, they can only work with what's already there. They can't create a new "something" from just dna...that's not possible.
Could they take a known harmless virus and using molecular biology techniques engineer a different strain? YES. But they can't create a virus from scratch and given the characteristics of HIV i just don't see how it's possible they could have engineered an already existing virus. It's just too complex. We don't even know all of how it does what it does, let alone how to make one that does it
http://www.thule.org/strecker1.html
It's of low quality and the video doesn't keep up with the audio well but you can still understand it ok. I haven't watched it all but at the moment it doesn't seem too unlikely. Professors and experts in virology are cetain that it was man made.
It's of low quality and the video doesn't keep up with the audio well but you can still understand it ok. I haven't watched it all but at the moment it doesn't seem too unlikely. Professors and experts in virology are cetain that it was man made.
The idea that this virus is manmade is as wacky as the idea that God created this virus to punish the people of Africa, where in some places 85% of adults have the disease (please correct these numbers if they are wrong).
"IF" this was created as a bio weapon which I dont be;lieve was done or can be done. Why would one create a weapon that takes YEARS to kill?! Not likely and I for one am not buying it
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yeah..seriously, we barely have the technology to alter existing viruses in the way we want to, speaking as a scientist, the creation of a virus out of scratch would be pretty darn hard and i would LOVE to know how they pulled that one off...
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i wouldnt be too sure about that, the parvo-virus (an illness that dogs can get if not immunised) was created by mistake in a lab when i technician botched up a vaccine that was meant for cats.... and bingo... we have parvo-virus
Wow I am so surprized, another conspiracy, who would have thought.........
Chicken Pox, Measles, Mumps, STD's, what next?
Chicken Pox, Measles, Mumps, STD's, what next?
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QUOTE(Angelofmercy @ Oct 12 2004, 03:21 PM)
we barely have the technology to alter existing viruses in the way we want to, speaking as a scientist, the creation of a virus out of scratch would be pretty darn hard and i would LOVE to know how they pulled that one off...
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i wouldnt be too sure about that, the parvo-virus (an illness that dogs can get if not immunised) was created by mistake in a lab when i technician botched up a vaccine that was meant for cats.... and bingo... we have parvo-virus
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I don't know this particular example, so i don't know the accuracy of this statement, but i am going to assume that it is accurate until i can research it.
OK, this is possible, but in order for this to happen there had to be a virus to begin with, some tech didn't make it from scratch. He was probably trying to transform it or make insertional mutations and now all the sudden a virus that only infects cats now can infect dogs, that doesn't take much, a couple of amina acid changes in the right area. And who knows how the effects would be different on cats and dogs? He didn't create a virus, he mutated it in such a way as to change the host.
But i will check this out because the idea that parvo was an accident doesn't seem reasonable to me, but i could be wrong
nooo, what i am saying is that the technicians were trying to make a new cat vaccine (parvo-virus only infects dogs, anyone with dogs should know this and get the triple a jib jab for their dog so they wont get it)... somehow, the technician botched this new cat vaccine up and bingo, parvo-virus was borne.... i dont think that scientists who work in these fields would want to create a new virus that could (and can) kill dogs on purpose (and by the way, to make it clear ONLY dogs, not cats, rats or humans)
ps. i dont know where you'll find this, perhaps somewhere on the net? but we were taught this when i studied vet-nursing, along with a mulittude of other bits
ps. i dont know where you'll find this, perhaps somewhere on the net? but we were taught this when i studied vet-nursing, along with a mulittude of other bits
The vocal possibility that AIDS is 'man-made' has been around for some years now but it has only been recently that evidence of this capability emerges.
Here are a few links to browse
http://www.rense.com/general45/cant.htm
http://www.rense.com/general57/manmade.htm
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/aids_origin.htm
As for scientists not having the know-how to create viruses...Take a look at this link and picture of a man made polio virus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2122619.stm
Vimjams
Here are a few links to browse
http://www.rense.com/general45/cant.htm
http://www.rense.com/general57/manmade.htm
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/aids_origin.htm
As for scientists not having the know-how to create viruses...Take a look at this link and picture of a man made polio virus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2122619.stm
Vimjams
Vimjams: What they did in that BBC article is create a virus using the genomic DNA sequence of an already existing virus. I could probably do that in my lab if i wanted too
But to create and entirely new virus, that has the unusual characteristics of HIV is beyond the scope of science at this point. They would have to organise their Own DNA, create unique proteins that have never existed before. This is not as easy as just making up some DNA codes. HIV is one of the most complex viruses known to man at this time. To just come up with that, ridiculous.
And if they did, why on earth would they unleash it on Africa? That makes no sense either
But to create and entirely new virus, that has the unusual characteristics of HIV is beyond the scope of science at this point. They would have to organise their Own DNA, create unique proteins that have never existed before. This is not as easy as just making up some DNA codes. HIV is one of the most complex viruses known to man at this time. To just come up with that, ridiculous.
And if they did, why on earth would they unleash it on Africa? That makes no sense either
Exactly! Why not US,Russia France etc furthermore why create a Bio weappn that takes tens year to take effect and another five or so to kill?!
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Vimjams: What they did in that BBC article is create a virus using the genomic DNA sequence of an already existing virus. I could probably do that in my lab if i wanted too
Angelofmercy...I am aware of this and I am aware that this was said earlier in the thread but creating a new strain from an existing virus is being done. This could also mean that these new strains are completely unidentifiable by those unfamiliar with either the techniques and the research used.
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But to create and entirely new virus, that has the unusual characteristics of HIV is beyond the scope of science at this point. They would have to organise their Own DNA, create unique proteins that have never existed before. This is not as easy as just making up some DNA codes. HIV is one of the most complex viruses known to man at this time. To just come up with that, ridiculous.
I really don't see how you can possibly know this to be the case. Is it not true that existing technology is usually 15-20 years ahead of that which is released into the public domain? I don't know myself but I can make an educated guess that the technology employed in laboratories making biological/bacterial weapons is a lot more advanced than you would find in any publicly accessed labs.
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And if they did, why on earth would they unleash it on Africa? That makes no sense either
I think that speaks for itself...Simply because very few people here in the rich industrialised nations of the West give a damn really. I mean…How often does it bother you that tens of thousands of Africans die each year for the price of a bowl of rice? The 'sense' lies in the fact above...Apart from aid agencies that have to cope with the results of this huge inequality...nobody actually questions (why?)
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Exactly! Why not US,Russia France etc furthermore why create a Bio weappn that takes tens year to take effect and another five or so to kill?!
panther10758...How many US citizens have died of AIDS related diseases? How many Europeans...How many Russians have died? Isn't this disease a global situation? That AIDS is assumed to have started in Africa (may) be related to what I have all ready stated above. Between the problems of buying a new car...The mortgage...paying your bills and a variety of other little costly chores...What room is there for really getting to know the real dangers our governments are creating?
As for the time span for this disease to take effect, considering life expectancy is around 70-80 years, is an incubation period of 5-10 years an issue then?
Vimjams
My point is simple you missed it! If your going to create a weapon you surely wont have it take 15 years to kill! The whole issue of creating AIDS is a farce and impossible I agree with Angel on this one. Not only is impossible (to my knowledge) it is also unlikely! If one was to create a BIO weapon it would be one that would take effect right away NOT a decade that would do no good since people you would want in power could be elsewhere or dead themselves! Furthermore the biggest portion of AIDS victims is in Africa. No one has said that France America etc hasn't had AIDS problems! To my thinking this is impossible and even "IF" possible a very VERY unlikely and useless weapon!
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I really don't see how you can possibly know this to be the case. Is it not true that existing technology is usually 15-20 years ahead of that which is released into the public domain? I don't know myself but I can make an educated guess that the technology employed in laboratories making biological/bacterial weapons is a lot more advanced than you would find in any publicly accessed labs
*LOL*
No
this is so not true, how i wish it were. In these hard days of th early 21st century there's this thing called Funding. It's nonexistant unless you publish results. Waiting 15-20 years to publish is absolutely ludicrous. You wouldn't get any funding, your lab would dry up, and you and all your grad students, technicians and post docs would be out on the street.
No one waits to publish. No one. Even the people working on Level 4 viruses (like 4 labs in the whole world) publish their findings. If there was a way to create viruses from scratch, we would know about it! My god, the plethora of uses for that technology is incalculable, without even thinking of bioterrorism. Half the techniques we use that take years would be gone. Prices would go down, and up, reagents would change to suit this. Man you couldn't put a lid on that if you tried.
Now you are going to say what about the people working on bioterrorism now, they don't publish. You're right they don't, because they aren't pioneering new techniques, they are plodding through the old ones..
Did you know that if you discover a new technique you can patent it? Make royalities? Your lab would be funded for life!
Sorry, it just doesn't make sense that this technology is out there and even the scientific community doesn't know about it
Angelofmercy...So, what you are suggesting is that scientists working in the American bio weapons industry have the freedom to publish the results of their research...I mean we are discussing military and not civilian research are we not?
(The Inventions and Secrecy Act of 1951) ensures that what you have just written does not occur. There are controls over the release of this stuff...Are you aware of that?
What doesn't make sense is the way you appear to be 'blending' military and civilian bio research programmes to bolster your argument here.
Leaving aside the 'bioterrorism'...Just how would we know about this?
panther10758..I don't think I missed it at all. I may not have given the answer you wanted to hear: Who can? But the possibility that this virus is synthetic and was released into the environment (by accident or design) is not negated by the fact that it takes several years to destroy.
Vimjams
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Did you know that if you discover a new technique you can patent it? Make royalities? Your lab would be funded for life!
(The Inventions and Secrecy Act of 1951) ensures that what you have just written does not occur. There are controls over the release of this stuff...Are you aware of that?
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Sorry, it just doesn't make sense that this technology is out there and even the scientific community doesn't know about it
What doesn't make sense is the way you appear to be 'blending' military and civilian bio research programmes to bolster your argument here.
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If there was a way to create viruses from scratch, we would know about it! My god, the plethora of uses for that technology is incalculable, without even thinking of bioterrorism.
Leaving aside the 'bioterrorism'...Just how would we know about this?
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My point is simple you missed it!
panther10758..I don't think I missed it at all. I may not have given the answer you wanted to hear: Who can? But the possibility that this virus is synthetic and was released into the environment (by accident or design) is not negated by the fact that it takes several years to destroy.
Vimjams
if, mind you IF, it was man made, maybe they released it to lower the population of the world, 10-15 years to kill, is also 10-15 years to infect other people, and if you cant afford condoms or hiv tests, then your a walking hiv factory, which is why all the 3rd world countries are getting hit harder then the us and richer countries, they can afford to keep it from spreading.
You have been watching TOO many movies
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You have been watching TOO many movies
Who are you refering to here Panther...(?) If its me...Then I am afraid I don't get to watch enough of them.
Vimjams
Crazy stuff here, always felt and kinda knew it was man-made. Now man suffers. Interesting isn't it we make things that can kill us. What goes around comes around 10-fold. It makes me sick what goes on around here. 
The Man-Made Origin Of AIDS - Important Notes
Relative to the evolution of HIV and Maedi-Visna Virus, I can say this:
For a full read and links go here
http://rense.com/general59/graves.htm
Vimjams
Relative to the evolution of HIV and Maedi-Visna Virus, I can say this:
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1. Visna has been called "visna" since about 1932 when it appeared in sheep in Iceland. Prior to that, it was seen as a progressive pneumonia in sheep in Montana.
2. There have been many outbreaks of visna in sheep herds in the past 50 years requiring the killing of entire flocks to prevent transmission.
3. There have not been any previous outbreaks of HIV in any recorded history prior to this present outbreak. There is no mythology or other tribal stories of a wasting disease in Africa prior to the present HIV outbreak of which I am aware. Granted, I am not an anthropologist and have not visited central Africa but a thorough check by me of any central African mythology/tribal verbal histories shows no reference to a wasting disease.
4. HIV is alleged to mutate at a rate 1000 times faster than the typical influenza virus. This is astounding evolution given that there is need for new update influenza vaccinations every year to prevent infection. I know that visna also mutates but I do not believe it is at the same rate as HIV.
5. I therefore conclude that while HIV and visna are related agents, I do not believe that they evolved together. There is no evidence to suggest this anywhere of which I am aware.
6. There is substantial evidence to suggest that visna was grown in human cells prior to any recorded outbreak of HIV anywhere on the planet. I have previously cited at least 4 different scientific articles prior to 1980 showing that visna had been grown in human cells, e.g., astrocytes, etc., with the earliest records going back into the 1960s.
7. There is a demonstrated paradigm in the molecular/virological sciences of taking a virus occurring in one species and moving it into non-permissive species. Particularly there is a demonstrated paradigm showing movement of these retroviral/lentiviral agents into primates, e.g., the Feline Sarcoma Virus used to infect marmoset monkeys. There are other indications that feline and mouse retroviruses have been used to infect primate hosts in the literature. There is direct statement in the scientific literature of the movement of maedi-visna virus into porcine, bovine, primate, and human cells... all of this occurring prior to any advent of HIV anywhere on the planet.
8. Rather than to accept the "visna and HIV have evolved together" data which infers a natural origin to HIV based on phylogenic comparison, assumptions concerning molecular clocks, and other molecular-biological mumbo-jumbo, I believe it is rather more useful to examine the literature which shows this:
VISNA VIRUS WAS MOVED INTO PORCINE, BOVINE, AND HUMAN CELLS CAUSING PRODUCTIVE INFECTION PRIOR TO ANY ADVENT OF HIV ANYWHERE.
9. The capital-lettered statement above is uncontestable. It is a fact.
10. I can also say that there are other leukemia and lymphomas and sarcomas which have been moved into human and primate cells as well resulting in productive infection of the primate and human cells.
11. I can also tell you that every molecular biologist in the land will ignore what I have just said and will tell you eleventy-jillion stories about where HIV origin came from monkeys in remote Africa and tribesmen eating monkeys. I can tell you this: I don't believe that explanation for one second. Rather, I believe, based on now some 16 years of investigation of this whole thing that HIV is a strategic biological weapon designed to kill billions of people in a slow-unfolding relentless holocaust which was released in two different vaccination programs: a) the smallpox vaccination program in Africa commencing in the late 1960s,
the hepatitis-B vaccination program in the United States in the mid-to-late 1970s. Moreover, so it is perfectly clear, this contamination was no accident. It was done on purpose with the goal of "thinning the herd" in a nazi-like mindset that has covertly governed population control politics since the 1870s. These same politics had pervaded the WHO and most of western medical experimental science throughout the 20th century. And, to be very pointed: the same political ideology is still there. Non-whites are detrimental to the gene pool's evolution so says the political philosophy. To see a bit of this in history, go here:
2. There have been many outbreaks of visna in sheep herds in the past 50 years requiring the killing of entire flocks to prevent transmission.
3. There have not been any previous outbreaks of HIV in any recorded history prior to this present outbreak. There is no mythology or other tribal stories of a wasting disease in Africa prior to the present HIV outbreak of which I am aware. Granted, I am not an anthropologist and have not visited central Africa but a thorough check by me of any central African mythology/tribal verbal histories shows no reference to a wasting disease.
4. HIV is alleged to mutate at a rate 1000 times faster than the typical influenza virus. This is astounding evolution given that there is need for new update influenza vaccinations every year to prevent infection. I know that visna also mutates but I do not believe it is at the same rate as HIV.
5. I therefore conclude that while HIV and visna are related agents, I do not believe that they evolved together. There is no evidence to suggest this anywhere of which I am aware.
6. There is substantial evidence to suggest that visna was grown in human cells prior to any recorded outbreak of HIV anywhere on the planet. I have previously cited at least 4 different scientific articles prior to 1980 showing that visna had been grown in human cells, e.g., astrocytes, etc., with the earliest records going back into the 1960s.
7. There is a demonstrated paradigm in the molecular/virological sciences of taking a virus occurring in one species and moving it into non-permissive species. Particularly there is a demonstrated paradigm showing movement of these retroviral/lentiviral agents into primates, e.g., the Feline Sarcoma Virus used to infect marmoset monkeys. There are other indications that feline and mouse retroviruses have been used to infect primate hosts in the literature. There is direct statement in the scientific literature of the movement of maedi-visna virus into porcine, bovine, primate, and human cells... all of this occurring prior to any advent of HIV anywhere on the planet.
8. Rather than to accept the "visna and HIV have evolved together" data which infers a natural origin to HIV based on phylogenic comparison, assumptions concerning molecular clocks, and other molecular-biological mumbo-jumbo, I believe it is rather more useful to examine the literature which shows this:
VISNA VIRUS WAS MOVED INTO PORCINE, BOVINE, AND HUMAN CELLS CAUSING PRODUCTIVE INFECTION PRIOR TO ANY ADVENT OF HIV ANYWHERE.
9. The capital-lettered statement above is uncontestable. It is a fact.
10. I can also say that there are other leukemia and lymphomas and sarcomas which have been moved into human and primate cells as well resulting in productive infection of the primate and human cells.
11. I can also tell you that every molecular biologist in the land will ignore what I have just said and will tell you eleventy-jillion stories about where HIV origin came from monkeys in remote Africa and tribesmen eating monkeys. I can tell you this: I don't believe that explanation for one second. Rather, I believe, based on now some 16 years of investigation of this whole thing that HIV is a strategic biological weapon designed to kill billions of people in a slow-unfolding relentless holocaust which was released in two different vaccination programs: a) the smallpox vaccination program in Africa commencing in the late 1960s,
the hepatitis-B vaccination program in the United States in the mid-to-late 1970s. Moreover, so it is perfectly clear, this contamination was no accident. It was done on purpose with the goal of "thinning the herd" in a nazi-like mindset that has covertly governed population control politics since the 1870s. These same politics had pervaded the WHO and most of western medical experimental science throughout the 20th century. And, to be very pointed: the same political ideology is still there. Non-whites are detrimental to the gene pool's evolution so says the political philosophy. To see a bit of this in history, go here: For a full read and links go here
http://rense.com/general59/graves.htm
Vimjams
I remember hearing this years ago...
AIDS was originally a sexually transmitted disease carried by Chimpanzee's. Though was not lethal to them.
Some sickart decided to have some monkey-love. He then returned home and infected his wife.
Any truth behind this?
AIDS was originally a sexually transmitted disease carried by Chimpanzee's. Though was not lethal to them.
Some sickart decided to have some monkey-love. He then returned home and infected his wife.
Any truth behind this?
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AIDS was originally a sexually transmitted disease carried by Chimpanzee's. Though was not lethal to them.
Some sickart decided to have some monkey-love. He then returned home and infected his wife.
Any truth behind this?
Some sickart decided to have some monkey-love. He then returned home and infected his wife.
Any truth behind this?
And some people actually believe it was an 'act of God' to rid the world of 'queers' and junkies.
I think the story was meant to imply it came from (Green monkeys) and that black Africans had sex with these creatures and then had sex with gay men who had sex with tourists who brought the desease home to their respective countries and had sex with their lovers who themselves had lovers who were bisexualand had sex with women who had sex with their boyfriends and husbands who themselves had extramarital sex with people...and so on. Jeez: Maybe it is an act of God!?
Vimjams
So i guess this means its safe to have sex with monkeys again?
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AIDS was originally a sexually transmitted disease carried by Chimpanzee's. Though was not lethal to them.
Some sickart decided to have some monkey-love. He then returned home and infected his wife.
Any truth behind this?
Some sickart decided to have some monkey-love. He then returned home and infected his wife.
Any truth behind this?
And some people actually believe it was an 'act of God' to rid the world of 'queers' and junkies.
I think the story was meant to imply it came from (Green monkeys) and that black Africans had sex with these creatures and then had sex with gay men who had sex with tourists who brought the desease home to their respective countries and had sex with their lovers who themselves had lovers who were bisexualand had sex with women who had sex with their boyfriends and husbands who themselves had extramarital sex with people...and so on. Jeez: Maybe it is an act of God!?
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I was almost 100% sure it was bullcrap as the rumor was circulating during the early 80's when Aids hysteria was at it's peak.
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So i guess this means its safe to have sex with monkeys again?
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Sure, go nuts. Just get consent first, eh?
I don't think AIDS was created because it takes too long to kill the victim. Didn't AIDS come from monkeys/gorrillas?
If it has been developed to 'thin the herd' it isn't doing a very good job, the world population has doubled in the last 40 years.
how about this...does aids take affect on children easier and quicker than adults....if it does then could that not be a reason why it would have been created to take effect after so many years. what better way to take over a country than destroy its future...the children....ill go do some research:D
here we go.....
"Children with HIV infection suffer from the same common childhood illnesses as those who are not infected. The illnesses are, however, more frequent, last longer and may respond poorly to usual treatments. In advanced HIV infection, opportunistic infections can occur."
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"People with advanced HIV infection are vulnerable to infections or malignancies that are called 'opportunistic infections' because they take advantage of the opportunity offered by a weakened immune system."
"A partial list of the world's most common opportunistic diseases and infections includes:
Bacterial diseases such as tuberculosis (TB),
Mycobacterium avium complex disease (MAC),
bacterial pneumonia and septicaemia ('blood poisoning').
Protozoal diseases such as pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP),
toxoplasmosis, microsporidiosis, cryptosporidiosis, isopsoriasis and leishmaniasis
Fungal diseases such as candidiasis, cryptococcosis (cryptococcal meningitis (CRM)) and penicilliosis
Viral diseases such as those caused by cytomegalovirus (CMV), herpes simplex and herpes zoster virus
HIV-associated malignancies such as Kaposi sarcoma, lymphoma and squamous cell carcinoma"
Link 2
"Children with HIV infection suffer from the same common childhood illnesses as those who are not infected. The illnesses are, however, more frequent, last longer and may respond poorly to usual treatments. In advanced HIV infection, opportunistic infections can occur."
Link 1
"People with advanced HIV infection are vulnerable to infections or malignancies that are called 'opportunistic infections' because they take advantage of the opportunity offered by a weakened immune system."
"A partial list of the world's most common opportunistic diseases and infections includes:
Bacterial diseases such as tuberculosis (TB),
Mycobacterium avium complex disease (MAC),
bacterial pneumonia and septicaemia ('blood poisoning').
Protozoal diseases such as pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP),
toxoplasmosis, microsporidiosis, cryptosporidiosis, isopsoriasis and leishmaniasis
Fungal diseases such as candidiasis, cryptococcosis (cryptococcal meningitis (CRM)) and penicilliosis
Viral diseases such as those caused by cytomegalovirus (CMV), herpes simplex and herpes zoster virus
HIV-associated malignancies such as Kaposi sarcoma, lymphoma and squamous cell carcinoma"
Link 2
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From todays paper:
Wangari Maathai, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last week for her environmental activism, claims Aids was created on purpose.
"It was created by a scientist for biological warfare," Maathai was quoted as saying by the Nairobi, Kenya news agency.
She claims it did not come from monkeys, since "we have been living with monkeys since time immemorial."
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Wangari Maathai, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last week for her environmental activism, claims Aids was created on purpose.
"It was created by a scientist for biological warfare," Maathai was quoted as saying by the Nairobi, Kenya news agency.
She claims it did not come from monkeys, since "we have been living with monkeys since time immemorial."
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No, this was a claim the KGB fabricated in the late 80's.
Fort Detrick, Maryland, houses a research laboratory that has long investigated plagues and other forms of biological warfare ---to protect us against them, of course, Nonetheless, according to one theory, Fort Detrick produced the HIV virus, which escaped accidentally and began infecting people in Washington and New York before becoming the international AIDS epidemic. Critics of the Fort Detrick theory of the origins of AIDS point out that AIDS appeared in Africa before it was found in Washington or New York, but Dr. Peter Duesberg has complicated matters by arguing, with some plausibility, that African AIDS is a different disease from American AIDS, neither of them caused by HIV: The African variety, he says, results from malnutrition and the American strain from overuse of stimulant drugs ( crack, crank, and poppers). All of these compounds increase sensation during sex and tend to produce more undulating and prolonged orgasms, but they have a strong addiction potential and have been statistically linked with paranoia and heart attacks even before Dr. Duesberg blamed them for AIDS. I have done extensive research on the different AIDS Conspiracy Theories and will post more.QUOTE(shermanvilleillinois @ Oct 12 2004, 01:47 AM)
From todays paper:
Wangari Maathai, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last week for her environmental activism, claims Aids was created on purpose.
"It was created by a scientist for biological warfare," Maathai was quoted as saying by the Nairobi, Kenya news agency.
She claims it did not come from monkeys, since "we have been living with monkeys since time immemorial."
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Wangari Maathai, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last week for her environmental activism, claims Aids was created on purpose.
"It was created by a scientist for biological warfare," Maathai was quoted as saying by the Nairobi, Kenya news agency.
She claims it did not come from monkeys, since "we have been living with monkeys since time immemorial."
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QUOTE(Angelofmercy @ Oct 12 2004, 02:21 PM)
yeah..seriously, we barely have the technology to alter existing viruses in the way we want to, speaking as a scientist, the creation of a virus out of scratch would be pretty darn hard and i would LOVE to know how they pulled that one off...
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We can screw around with DNA, Maybe theres something in that.
Fort Detrick, Maryland incident was a fabricated KGB lie.
"Professor Jacob Segal, claimed on the basis of "circumstantial evidence" (later wholly discredited) that AIDS had been artificially synthesized at Fort Detrick from two natural viruses, VISNA and HTLV-1."
"In August 1987 US officials in Moscow were informed that the story was officially disowned and Soviet media coverage of it came to an abrupt halt."
Both quotes taken from Sword and the Shield by C. Andrew and V. Mitrokhin.
"Professor Jacob Segal, claimed on the basis of "circumstantial evidence" (later wholly discredited) that AIDS had been artificially synthesized at Fort Detrick from two natural viruses, VISNA and HTLV-1."
"In August 1987 US officials in Moscow were informed that the story was officially disowned and Soviet media coverage of it came to an abrupt halt."
Both quotes taken from Sword and the Shield by C. Andrew and V. Mitrokhin.
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So i guess this means its safe to have sex with monkeys again?
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This will probably be his one and only post. Pretty classic though IMHO.
I wonder if the man made AIDS did they also make the cure? Hows Magic Johnson doing these days?...
yeah..seriously, we barely have the technology to alter existing viruses
Actually, that isn't at all true. Infact, our viral technology is so advanced that it has been DECLASSIFIED that certain countries are working on a racial speficcic virus. This means that isreal could spread it over it's country and kill anyone of muslim decendance, just for example.
in the way we want to, speaking as a scientist, the creation of a virus out of scratch would be pretty darn hard and i would LOVE to know how they pulled that one off...
I would also love to know how they pulled off being able to make the tealth bomber invisable to rader. Infact, that plane, which has been declassified for over 20 years, still remain the most advanced aircraft in the entire world. Imagine what they have that we don't yet know about. NOW, imagine what they have that we will NEVER know about. The powers are very good at keeping secrets, ecspecially when it comes to weapons.
I actually know why the AIDS virus was created, and what purpose it was meant to serve (And DID serve) but it is something quite controversial, and I don't wish to start another flame war. Infact, merely stating it's purpose could get me kicked off the board. If you want, we can talk about it privately. Otherwise, keep seraching for the answer. It's there.
If it has been developed to 'thin the herd' it isn't doing a very good job, the world population has doubled in the last 40 years.
That isn't it at all.
And some people actually believe it was an 'act of God' to rid the world of 'queers' and junkies.
Again, God did not create the virus. Man did.
I think the story was meant to imply it came from (Green monkeys) and that black Africans had sex with these creatures and then had sex with gay men who had sex with tourists who brought the desease home to their respective countries and had sex with their lovers who themselves had lovers who were bisexualand had sex with women who had sex with their boyfriends and husbands who themselves had extramarital sex with people...and so on.
A enternainingly sick theory, but not even close. Although I hear monkey sex does happen in various parts of the world. YUCK!
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From todays paper:
Wangari Maathai, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last week for her environmental activism, claims Aids was created on purpose.
"It was created by a scientist for biological warfare," Maathai was quoted as saying by the Nairobi, Kenya news agency.
She claims it did not come from monkeys, since "we have been living with monkeys since time immemorial."
Wangari Maathai, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last week for her environmental activism, claims Aids was created on purpose.
"It was created by a scientist for biological warfare," Maathai was quoted as saying by the Nairobi, Kenya news agency.
She claims it did not come from monkeys, since "we have been living with monkeys since time immemorial."
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No, this was a claim the KGB fabricated in the late 80's.
Your getting closer to the truth. Keep following the path.
I wonder if the man made AIDS did they also make the cure? Hows Magic Johnson doing these days?...
Those who made it didn't need a cure, because they could/would never catch the virus. That's not to say one doesn't exist, but rather one didn't NEED to exist.
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Actually, that isn't at all true. Infact, our viral technology is so advanced that it has been DECLASSIFIED that certain countries are working on a racial speficcic virus. This means that isreal could spread it over it's country and kill anyone of muslim decendance, just for example
haven't they all been remarkable failures though?
muslim decendance, muslim isn't even a race, i think you'll find that jews from israel (as opposed to european jews etc) are the same 'race' as the palestinians
haven't they all been remarkable failures though?
Not at all.
muslim decendance, muslim isn't even a race, i think you'll find that jews from israel (as opposed to european jews etc) are the same 'race' as the palestinians
You misunderstand the science behind it. It's not so much racially descriminate as it is genetically descriminate. Genetically engineered virii are a subject which is really too complex to go into full detail right now. For a fun read, do some searching for genetically descriminate virii.
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