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digitalprincess
http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/10/13/fda.i...p.ap/index.html

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FDA OKS implanted medical info chip
Chips would reveal patient's allergies, prior treatments
Wednesday, October 13, 2004 Posted: 11:24 AM EDT (1524 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday approved an implantable computer chip that can pass a patient's medical details to doctors, speeding care.
VeriChips, radio frequency microchips the size of a grain of rice, have already been used to identify wayward pets and livestock. And nearly 200 people working in Mexico's attorney general's office have been implanted with chips to access secure areas containing sensitive documents.
Delray Beach, Florida-based Applied Digital Solutions in July asked the FDA for approval to use the implantable chip for medical uses in the United States. The agency had 60 days to reply to the "de novo" application.
It's the first time the FDA has approved the use of the device, though in Mexico, more than 1,000 scannable chips have been implanted in patients. The chip's serial number pulls up the patients' blood type and other medical information.
With the pinch of a syringe, the microchip is inserted under the skin in a procedure that takes less than 20 minutes and leaves no stitches.
Silently and invisibly, the dormant chip stores a code -- similar to the identifying UPC code on products sold in retail stores -- that releases patient-specific information when a scanner passes over the chip.
At the doctor's office those codes stamped onto chips, once scanned, would reveal such information as a patient's allergies and prior treatments.
The FDA in October 2002 said that the agency would regulate health care applications possible through VeriChip. Meanwhile, the chip has been used for a number of security-related tasks as well as for pure whimsy: Club hoppers in Barcelona, Spain, now use the microchip much like a smartcard to speed drink orders and payment.

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Any inputs and opinion on these matter????















aquatus1
Well, it will certainly be much more convenient than Social Security Numbers.
Nobody
Why did you use '666-Microchip'?
Can you not find anything good in this?
Mel
Implants are wrong. Plain and simple. I don't even like OnStar. I don't need "the man" to be able to track me down where ever I am. I would not even put a chip in my dog, who I love. What's wrong with the bracelet or necklace that people have used for decades to identify their allergies and medical conditions? An besides, medical personnel would rather ask you the same questions over and over and over again instead of looking at your chart. Will looking at the scan be easier than looking at a chart? Do we really need this much technology in our lives?
Chris_com28
It could be very convenient as you would no longer need to remeber your ID,
Chris_com28
but it could be woorying if they're able to invade your pivacy with it. I read somewhere about implants being able to detect certain chemical substances in your body. I don't disagree in chiping in general as long as it's concentual and they let you know what they're doing, but I do see how they could and probablly will use it against us.
Stellar
I already submitted this to Saruman... Why are people so paranoid though?
QUOTE
Implants are wrong. Plan and simple. I don't even like OnStar. I don't need "the man" to be able to track me down where ever I am. I would not even put a chip in my dog, who I love. What's wrong with the bracelet or necklace that people have used for decades to identify their allergies and medical conditions? An besides, medical personnel would rather ask you the same questions over and over and over again instead of looking at your chart. Will looking at the scan be easier than looking at a chart? Do we really need this much technology in our lives?


A chip can hold way more information, and can eventually be used to "call 911" in the event that something happens, like if you get a heart attack. It would also help doctors study the illness you have, since it would eventually be able to record whats happening to you.
aquatus1
Let's not get carried away here. We are not talking about an implant that will hold any sort of personal information. The only thing that the chip does is send out a series of numbers that identifies you as being you, in the exact same way that your social security number does. At that point, your records have to be accessed by computer. There is absolutely nothing new being done here. The only difference between this and the world we currently live in is that you will no longer have to tell your doctor your name to get your record. Instead, your hand will be scanned (useful in case you aren't able to talk).

Let's be clear on this. The chip cannot track you in a crowd, it cannot monitor your vital signs, it cannot call 911 for you. All it can do is give your ID number.
Novo
No.. No.. And no....
Edit- Did I mention No?
Stellar
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Oct 13 2004, 11:18 PM)
Let's not get carried away here.  We are not talking about an implant that will hold any sort of personal information.  The only thing that the chip does is send out a series of numbers that identifies you as being you, in the exact same way that your social security number does.  At that point, your records have to be accessed by computer.  There is absolutely nothing new being done here.  The only difference between this and the world we currently live in is that you will no longer have to tell your doctor your name to get your record.  Instead, your hand will be scanned (useful in case you aren't able to talk).

Let's be clear on this.  The chip cannot track you in a crowd, it cannot monitor your vital signs, it cannot call 911 for you.  All it can do is give your ID number.
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No, I'm saying eventually microchips will do that.
Independent1
Nobody has referenced why "666" is included in the title, or why "Book of Revelations" and "NWO (New World Order)" is in the subtitle.

What is the deal here?
digitalprincess
QUOTE(Independent1 @ Oct 14 2004, 03:54 AM)
Nobody has referenced why "666" is included in the title, or why "Book of Revelations" and "NWO (New World Order)" is in the subtitle.

What is the deal here?
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If you have a clue where all these things will lead to
you will understand why. Of course, the book of revelation
is a guideline for us...they fulfill that prophecy to TAG everyone
without us even knowing it fully, a very subtle way
it could be used for good and for evil purposes.
They will not put 666 on your forehead or on your right hand
that would be very obvious.

Later on...you will found out that you cannot
buy or sell without an implant. Currency will be outdated because
of rampant counterfiet money. If you remember the TV Series
Taken....these are similar incidents that could happen to us.

Its all about Alien Agenda, if you notice, in your mailbox, there are
always missing childrens, then...the trend now is with their relatives,
missing together. They already profiled who is their human cattle.
Aliens fool our Government Leaders with their gifts of technology,
they use us...humans to build them underground empire, consume
us for their bioplasmic needs. Does people realized how easy it
is to know who is healthy and who is not?

The technology become so sophisticated as the years go by:
no wonder if you have a Chip Implant, they could monitor
your thoughts, your conversations and location.

This is not paranoia, this is the future reality. And its going
to happen. The choice is yours....

If you read the Book of Revelation....remember Satan is the Dragon,
the Serpent. Since he was denied of human body...he will take a
reptile body to counterfiet God's creations....humans. In the
secret underground bases, they do many combinations of
genetic Hybrids. I know that every word i type here is monitored.
Many people has no idea whats going on. Where do you think they got
that cloning technology? If people do their own research about
these things, they will not be surprised.

Copy and paste the links:


http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/News/privacyTest.php

http://www.geocities.com/cut2thechase_ca/ion-motb.htm

http://home.cogeco.ca/~nonwo/GCMC.html

http://www.chemtrailpatrol.com/cpr_mind_control_menu.htm

As for me and my family, we are not afraid, we have peace
in our home, the only refuge when everything is in chaos.
They are happening and its better to know these things
than to be trapped by it.
tigger
QUOTE(Mel @ Oct 13 2004, 09:39 PM)
Implants are wrong. Plain and simple. I don't even like OnStar. I don't need "the man" to be able to track me down where ever I am. I would not even put a chip in my dog, who I love. What's wrong with the bracelet or necklace that people have used for decades to identify their allergies and medical conditions? An besides, medical personnel would rather ask you the same questions over and over and over again instead of looking at your chart. Will looking at the scan be easier than looking at a chart? Do we really need this much technology in our lives?
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i think in a way, if used for the 'right' reasons.. it would be a great idea... have you ever been in a medical situation, where the person in question has been in an accident and cant be questioned? the doctors wont know of their medical history as sometimes personal belongings are not always on their body when they come in to emergancy...which delays the medical processes.. medical bracelets and necklaces can come off, and ppl can be incoherant, speak another dialogue or just be plain unco-operable...

i think micro-chipping pets is the best idea... after all, if someone wants to pinch your cat or dog, all they need to do is remove the collar and bam, no identification... this way, if the pet goes missing, or is turned into the vet or pound, and they are chipped they can be scanned and the anxious owner rung and told the whereabouts of their beloved pet.. because all that is on the chip is the owners details and the pets details... nothing sordid... its just paranoia that runs a lot of ppl these days
Chris_com28
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if someone wants to pinch your cat or dog, all they need to do is remove the collar and bam, no identification

That's why I have my dog chipped. I'm sure the government don't have any use for an aging dog with seemenly little intelligence and small vocabulary.

QUOTE
If people do their own research about
these things, they will not be surprised.

I thought the idea was to be supprised. Wouldn't you be supprised if you just found out there's an NWO and they plan to implant everyone in an attempt to monitor them 24/7?
Chris_com28
How do you account for the bar codes that don't have the 666 in binary? Are the number supposed to have some kind of power because I would of thought it would be more common than this. I just looked on bolt and quite a lot of them didn't have the 666 binary code. I think it was only about half at the most.
aquatus1
DigitalPrincess, how are these chips fulfilling any prophecy about any of the things that you have mentioned that have not already been done?

Coins used to be counterfeited so regularly that we had to start using bills. Even now we have to change them regularly. It is mere economic evolution that eventually physical money would be done away with, in much the way that no major company ever deals in cash anymore.

Children missing with their relatives is not a modern trend. Being taken by relatives is the single most common form of kidnapping.

Why track people with chips? For that atter, why track them at all? Sure, you can buy GPS watches for your kid, but why would the government, or aliens, or whatnot, be interested in knowing everybodies exact location?

I just can't see how everything that you have mentioned didn't already come to pass at least a hundred years ago.
Nobody
QUOTE(digitalprincess @ Oct 14 2004, 02:58 AM)
If you have a clue  where all these things will lead to
you will understand why.  Of course, the book of revelation
is a guideline for us...they fulfill that prophecy to TAG everyone
without us even knowing it fully, a very subtle way
it could be used for good and for evil purposes.
They will not put 666 on your forehead or on your right hand
that would be very obvious. ...


If you can see the future, you will have more than a clue.
If you follow only a single book as a guide line, then you follow someone else.
If you dare open your eyes to see the mirror and accept what you really are, no one will be able to put any numbers on you.

There are always those that will try to deceive others.
Nothing manmade will ever be totally good or bad, it will always be just made by humans.
Stellar
QUOTE
Its all about Alien Agenda, if you notice, in your mailbox, there are
always missing childrens, then...the trend now is with their relatives,
missing together. They already profiled who is their human cattle.


OMG

QUOTE
Aliens fool our Government Leaders with their gifts of technology,
they use us...humans to build them underground empire, consume
us for their bioplasmic needs. Does people realized how easy it
is to know who is healthy and who is not?


Plz, dont preach conspiracy theory here, cuz you dont know it for a fact. Theres not really much evidence of it neither.

QUOTE
If you read the Book of Revelation....remember Satan is the Dragon,
the Serpent. Since he was denied of human body...he will take a
reptile body to counterfiet God's creations....humans. In the
secret underground bases, they do many combinations of
genetic Hybrids.


I really couldnt care less what it says, cuz I dont believe it.

QUOTE
I know that every word i type here is monitored.
Many people has no idea whats going on.


Oh, but I suppose you do?

QUOTE
Where do you think they got
that cloning technology?


Human scientists.

QUOTE
If people do their own research about
these things, they will not be surprised.


I can find a site saying you're wrong. When people research, they've got to know where the evidence lies, and how to judge whether a site is credible or not.
Mel
This type of technology is just frightening to me...it begs to be exploited. Perhaps I am just too old.
Michelle

I agree Mel, since when have we ever been able to trust the government to do the "right thing" with new technology. crying.gif
digitalprincess
Check this links, if really the Government is in league with the Aliens.

www.ufoarea.com/events_nasa.html
www.ufoarea.com/index.html
http://www.ufoarea.com/main_underground.html


I believed these things are true, if you know also the news about
India, where hundreds of flying saucers appears these past few
weeks.

Is there any reason why our government will tell the truth
about their underground bases and working with the
Aliens ?

And why they guard the Polar opening?
Why there's no plane route going to the North Pole ?

[EDIT:fixed links]

Stellar
QUOTE
I believed these things are true, if you know also the news about
India, where hundreds of flying saucers appears these past few
weeks.


Yes, well, others dont believe its true.

QUOTE
Is there any reason why our government will tell the truth
about their underground bases and working with the
Aliens ?


If they dont have them, why would they say they do?

QUOTE
And why they guard the Polar opening?


Do they? I havent noticed.

QUOTE
Why there's no plane route going to the North Pole ?


There is, to a certain limit. Theres no cities or any urbanised area too far north. Hell, my city doesnt have an airport! I guess theres something odd going on in my city!
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Take a look at this "Why and how was this done ?".
Independent1
QUOTE(digitalprincess @ Oct 14 2004, 02:58 AM)
If you have a clue  where all these things will lead to
you will understand why.  Of course, the book of revelation
is a guideline for us...they fulfill that prophecy to TAG everyone
without us even knowing it fully, a very subtle way
it could be used for good and for evil purposes.
They will not put 666 on your forehead or on your right hand
that would be very obvious.

Later on...you will found out that you cannot
buy or sell without an implant.  Currency will be outdated because
of rampant counterfiet money.  If you remember the TV Series
Taken....these are similar incidents that could happen to us.

Its all about Alien Agenda, if you notice, in your mailbox, there are
always missing childrens, then...the trend now is with their relatives,
missing together.  They already profiled who is their human cattle.
Aliens fool our Government Leaders with their gifts of technology,
they use us...humans to build them underground empire, consume
us for their bioplasmic needs.  Does people realized how easy it
is to know who is healthy and who is not?

The technology become so sophisticated as the years go by:
no wonder if you have a Chip Implant, they could monitor
your thoughts, your conversations and location.

This is not paranoia, this is the future reality.  And its going
to happen.  The choice is yours....

If you read the Book of Revelation....remember Satan is the Dragon,
the Serpent.  Since he was denied of human body...he will take a
reptile body to counterfiet God's creations....humans.  In the
secret underground bases, they do many combinations of
genetic Hybrids.  I know that every word i type here is monitored.
Many people has no idea whats going on.  Where do you think they got
that cloning technology?      If people do their own research about
these things, they will not be surprised. 

Copy and  paste the links:


http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/News/privacyTest.php

http://www.geocities.com/cut2thechase_ca/ion-motb.htm

http://home.cogeco.ca/~nonwo/GCMC.html

http://www.chemtrailpatrol.com/cpr_mind_control_menu.htm

As for me and my family, we are not afraid, we have peace
in our home, the only refuge when everything is in chaos.
They are happening and its better to know these things
than to be trapped by it.
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Okay Captain Paranoid, sorry I asked.

I highly doubt that space aliens, the "new world order", and the anti-christ are all in lleague to implant chips in all of us that will read out minds.
crystalmoon
If you ask me the chip is so very wrong I don't need a chip implanted in me for the gov or anyone else knowing exactly where I am they can find me anyways without it anyways I very sure of. As far as for medical reson thats what docotrs and emt 's are for. What of the 911 there are phones cell phones and for medical wear a medical braclet or necklace medallion style thing/dog tag type why a darn implanted chip. Well since I go along with what the bible say I will never take the mark of hthe beast. Read revelations scary no need for the chip whats so ever.
Covenience thats exactly what the gov. wants us all to believe so we can do away with cash to keep an eye/track on us etc. etc. etc. disgusted.gif whistling2.gif thumbdown.gif mellow.gif
Stellar
Crystal, cant you see the benifits that micro chip implantations would bring? They could end up recording whats going on *in* ur body and then if something goes wrong, they could end up calling 911 for you. Like it or not, it will eventually be forced upon you wink2.gif
aquatus1
So again, I ask the question:

Why the devil (so to speak) would the government be interested in tracking you? As individuals, we are, quite simply, not very worthy of notice.
Stellar
aquatus1: thats a good question. Especially considering how many people there are in the US alone.
Chris_com28
QUOTE
They could end up recording whats going on *in* ur body and then if something goes wrong, they could end up calling 911 for you.

They could also be even altristic and thoughtful and even alert the athorities if certain illegal subtanses our found in your body, so you never have to worry about calling the police yourself. A chip for the extemely demotivated stoner. laugh.gif
Independent1
QUOTE(Chris_com28 @ Oct 17 2004, 04:39 PM)
QUOTE
They could end up recording whats going on *in* ur body and then if something goes wrong, they could end up calling 911 for you.

They could also be even altristic and thoughtful and even alert the athorities if certain illegal subtanses our found in your body, so you never have to worry about calling the police yourself. A chip for the extemely demotivated stoner. laugh.gif
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That would violate the forth ammendment on illegal search and seizure, unless it was clearly stated up front as the chip was implanted that the chip would do that.
aquatus1
This is both true and precedented. In Japan, there is a watch that monitors alcohol levels in previously convicted people. If they attempt to drive while inebriated, the watch sends a signal to a monitoring station, who has the ability to seize control of your vehicle and park on the side of the road (screw the chip; taking remote control of a car is cool tech!).

The point is that the issue of illegal search on a citizen has been broached before, and found to be surmountable without the need to invoke NWO powers. It would be a crime (assuming the American courts followed the Japanese guidelines) for the feds to make the chip scan you for anything against your knowledge without previously giving you due notice that this is what it was going to do.
crystalmoon
Stellar, I don't need to know what is going on with my bidy if somethings wrong I go to the doctors and the doctors take an x-ray. Or I die eventaully its gonna happen, on Gods time, not mine. Its not gonna be forced on me I won't let it happen. As Iron Maiden sang these words in their song { "Run To The Hills,Run For Your Life.... " }
I just don't get sorry...... mellow.gif whistling2.gif
earthygirl04
I heard about implanting the chips in animals a few years before they ever began doing it. I have also heard about implants in people, it was on a technology progam on TV a few years ago. I know it's gonna happen. sad.gif Thing is, I am one who does not trust the Governemt in any way, so there's no way I want one of those things implanted in me!!
Yes, I heard that it will contain personal info about you, which could be used for good, but I also heard that it will "ALSO" contain info about your bank account, where you live, and you will no longer need a credit card or a check, because all that will be in the chip to be scanned, and automatically deducted from your account.
It's a scary thing if you ask me. That means at all times the government will know everything about you.... Where you live, how much money you have, what you spend your money on, how much you paid for an item, and all your personal history, from medical, to who your parents are.... It means your life is no longer private and yours!!No more privacy! No thanks I believe I'll pass... disgust.gif
Stellar
QUOTE(crystalmoon @ Oct 18 2004, 04:29 AM)
Stellar, I don't need to know what is going on with my bidy if somethings wrong I go to the doctors and the doctors take an x-ray. Or I die eventaully its gonna happen, on Gods time, not mine. Its not gonna be forced on me I won't let it happen. As Iron Maiden sang these words in their song { "Run To The Hills,Run For Your Life.... " }
I just don't get sorry...... mellow.gif  whistling2.gif
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you feel a heartattack comming with due time and reason to go to the doctor? What about if you have athsma and the puffers stopped working for some reason?


QUOTE
It's a scary thing if you ask me. That means at all times the government will know everything about you.... Where you live, how much money you have, what you spend your money on, how much you paid for an item, and all your personal history, from medical, to who your parents are....


Umm.... they can already know that....
Chris_com28
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That would violate the forth ammendment on illegal search and seizure, unless it was clearly stated up front as the chip was implanted that the chip would do that.

Well I don't think that would stop them. I heard something yesturday about the 4 ammendment I think. It was something about them being able to perform test on you only if you were warned. Does it matter if you don't concent to it though?

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If they attempt to drive while inebriated, the watch sends a signal to a monitoring station, who has the ability to seize control of your vehicle and park on the side of the road (screw the chip; taking remote control of a car is cool tech!).

How does it control the car? Can't they just use a different car? It would be much better and entertaining if they were able to control the person to make them park the car. laugh.gif

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Umm.... they can already know that....

But it would be more disturing. Kindo of like a system of a down video. ph34r.gif

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crystalmoon
Stellar 911....911.... calling the emt's and pray on it. serious everyone who is for the chip will give a kinda good reason/reasons as to why we would need a chip or why the chip would be so cool to have but I do not and will never see the purpose to it. There are ways around living without the chip we have for centuries and why all of a sudden is it so needed or cool to want to have. This is all mind boggling to me. I see no point to being chipped . First its the dog snoppy might get lost or fluffy might get lost then the old people granddad might wander off and get lost or if grandma has a seizure it could be a good thing. the little kids might get kidknapp and we need to find them. Not to be sarcastic or make light of the above listed senerinos but really think about this. If a million/billions child or wife is chipped in case of kidnapping and the kidnappers wants alot of money for ransom or a polotical reason for kidnapping they might want to find the chip and cut the arm/hand wherever the chip is implanted who knows . I think its an awful idea and say no all the way!!! mellow.gif whistling2.gif
aquatus1
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Yes, I heard that it will contain personal info about you, which could be used for good, but I also heard that it will "ALSO" contain info about your bank account, where you live, and you will no longer need a credit card or a check, because all that will be in the chip to be scanned, and automatically deducted from your account.


Incorrect. All that the chip contains is a sequence of numbers that identifies you. That is it. It will be the modern day equivalent of your social security number. Because of the increased safety, it will replace your credit card number, and other numbers that are currently available to anyone looking over your shoulder on the check-out line or ATM line.

QUOTE
It's a scary thing if you ask me. That means at all times the government will know everything about you.... Where you live, how much money you have, what you spend your money on, how much you paid for an item, and all your personal history, from medical, to who your parents are.... It means your life is no longer private and yours!!No more privacy! No thanks I believe I'll pass...


Your life isn't private, no matter how much you would like to believe that it is. The government doesn't need a chip to tell what you bought or how much you paid. They do that with credit card records. They don't need a chip for your medical history, your credit history, any of that; thats what your social security number is for. The reason you never have to worry about this is because you haven't done anything worthy of the governments notice.

You seem to think that this chip is going to give the government powers it doesn't have now. It won't. The only thing it will do is keep other people from using the resources of the government against you, i.e. identity theft.
neo cloud 8900
this is just another step to the overall control of mankind by the government.
digitalprincess
QUOTE(dv89000 @ Oct 18 2004, 03:31 PM)
this is just another step to the overall control of mankind by the government.
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You are right about that, too many excuses to pry on us....our private
life, there's no escape once its being implemented on us forcefully and
it would rob us our freedom of FREE AGENCY.

They will pacify or lure us on so many good reasons to have it, the
wise will know the difference, remember, this is not only United States,
its going to be global. Third world countries may probably dont need
to worry a lot about this because most of their transactions are done
in cash, they dont have much electronic gadgets like we do.

Here's some contents from this link:
(P.S. If you have time pls. read this link)

http://www.texemarrs.com/091996/lucid.html


Massive, Global Computer System Established

Sophisticated, international, computerized, telecommunications and intelligence gathering centers have already been established in preparation for the issuance of the new, human control cards. The world's most advanced super computers are being utilized. All spy information acquired on humans, plus the data from their Universal Biometrics Card, is fed into the gigantic network, which is called the Universal Computerized Identification Clearinghouse Resource Center. This center is the very heart of the evil L.U.C.I.D., or Beast 666 Universal Human Control System. L.U.C.I.D., reports one reliable source, is an interactive and instantaneous tracking system of all living beings on Earth. It is designed so that no one can escape its clutches. No one!


I know that being chipped is very advantageous for a convenient
way of living and it has many benefits, but the potential of
its misused is life itself, when it falls on the wrong hands. Here's
one of the dangers aside from human misusing it. What if ?
there's a massive solar flares going on ? How will it affects every
human being who has a chipped planted on their system?

Also, as a precaution for those who dont want to be chipped in the
future. Save some cash, food storage, fuel, water or grow a garden
if you have land available. I know this sounds paranoia for those
who cant comprehend what the future will bring, but its better to be
prepared than sorry. Some of you might probably read some past
news article that there are asteroids nearly hit the earth without
our knowing it. Alas! we only knew it when it pass by us.

One thing for sure, Global Chipping is coming our way, wether we
like it or not, sooner or later it will be enforced upon us. The
Prophecies are going to come true, unless our government will
have a change of heart. Many people doubt or even dont believe
that their is a God who created heaven and earth, that their is
judgement for the wicked. For those who heed the warnings and
the signs of the times are wise, and for those who don't...you
will be surprised.

All comments are always welcome: how can we know both sides
which is the right way or the wrong way if we dont analyze both
views. grin2.gif

aquatus1
And again, I ask: Why would the government need a chip to control us? What are we doing that the government doesn't want us to do? What would they make us do, if they did control us, that we aren't doing now?
Mel
Whew! I was beginning to think I was the only Anti-Chip participant in this discussion. Since the procedure is voluntary..I will decline, and by the time it is mandatory...I'm sure I'll be long gone.
Stellar
I was gonna make a long reply to what digital wrote... but this kinda ticked me off:

QUOTE
Many people doubt or even dont believe
that their is a God who created heaven and earth, that their is
judgement for the wicked.


Yes, Its judgement for the wicked. Anyone who doesnt believe what you believe is wicked, and controlled by the devil. rolleyes.gif
Kismit


It could be worse . You could be controlled by MOD ..

Did anybody read Daughter of the nine moons link ?
aquatus1
Now Kismit, why would you want to go and ruin a perfectly good end-of-times prophecy/NWO conspiracy with something as unreliable as facts?

This is like that Demon Bat from the Hole to Hell story. A guy made the whole thing up to see how long it would take for somebody to call and ask him if it was true, and he waited for over a year, while the story circulated and circulated without the slightest attempt at verification.
Cpt. Branigan
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Oct 17 2004, 02:50 PM)
So again, I ask the question:

Why the devil (so to speak) would the government be interested in tracking you?  As individuals, we are, quite simply, not very worthy of notice.
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I can't begin to tell you what's wrong with this sentiment.
Stellar
QUOTE(Cpt. Branigan @ Oct 19 2004, 02:34 AM)
I can't begin to tell you what's wrong with this sentiment.
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Edit; fixed quote tag.

I can't begin to tell you what's wrong with that sentiment either.
aquatus1
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QUOTE
(aquatus1 @ Oct 17 2004, 02:50 PM)
So again, I ask the question:
Why the devil (so to speak) would the government be interested in tracking you?  As individuals, we are, quite simply, not very worthy of notice.


I can't begin to tell you what's wrong with this sentiment.


Please try.
digitalprincess
QUOTE(Stellar @ Oct 18 2004, 09:16 PM)
I was gonna make a long reply to what digital wrote... but this kinda ticked me off:

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Many people doubt or even dont believe
that their is a God who created heaven and earth, that their is
judgement for the wicked.


Yes, Its judgement for the wicked. Anyone who doesnt believe what you believe is wicked, and controlled by the devil. rolleyes.gif
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Stellar,

I did not say that those who dont believe what i believe is wicked.
And certainly those who dont believe in God is wicked. There are
many religions and non believer in this world and they do good deeds
and they are not wicked. But their are those who profess to be
religious, but they do all horrible kinds of things.

digitalprincess
QUOTE(Cpt. Branigan @ Oct 19 2004, 02:34 AM)
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Oct 17 2004, 02:50 PM)
So again, I ask the question:

Why the devil (so to speak) would the government be interested in tracking you?  As individuals, we are, quite simply, not very worthy of notice.
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I can't begin to tell you what's wrong with this sentiment.
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My response is that, if you noticed...missing persons are not
even popular, they are childrens, teens and adults. Perhaps
if we think outside the of the box. Or what we call it...not from the
ordinary things we always seen on tv , newspaper or whatever
media can only expose to the public I suppose you can consider
the possibility, if these people on the net are telling the truth
or just playing tricks. Sometimes, truth is scarier than fiction.
If you cant tell it to government official, why bother, when you
can express it or exposed it to the world wide web?

Below is some content from this site:

Pls. read the entire site: alien.gif alien.gif

www.anomalous-images.com/text/cog.html



Principal government organizations involved in mapping human genetics, the so-called genome projects, are within the Department of Energy (which has a heavy presence on the Nevada Test Site); the National Institute of Health; the National Science Foundation; the Howard Huges Medical Institute; and, of course, the Dulce Underground Labs which are run by the DOE. Thomas had revealed that the chief of the genetic experiments for Los Alamos and Dulce is Larry Deaven.

According to Thomas, the alien androgynal breeder is capable of parthenogenesis. At Dulce, the common form or reproduction is by polyembryony. Each embryo can, and does divide into 6 to 9 individual "cunne" (pronounced cooney, i.e. siblings). The needed nutriment for the developing cunne is supplied by the "formula," which usually consist of plasma, deoxyhemoglobin, albumin, lysozyme, cation, amniotic fluid and more. The term "genome" is used to describe the totality of the chromosomes unique to a particular organism (or any cell within an organism), as distinct from the genotype, which is the information contained within those chromosomes. The human genes are mapped to specific chromosomal locations. This is an ambitious project that will take years and a lot of computer power to accomplish.

Is the alien and human BIO-TECH being used to nurture and serve us, or is it being used to control and dominate us? Why have UFO abductees been used in genetic experiments? It was when Thomas encountered humans in cages on Level 7 of the Dulce facility that things finally reached a climax for him. Row after row of thousands of humans, human-mixture remains, and embryos of humanoids were kept in cold storage. He says, "I frequently encountered humans in cages, usually dazed or drugged, but sometimes they cried and begged for help. We were told they were hopelessly insane, and involved in high-risk drug tests to cure insanity. We were told to never speak to them at all. At the beginning we believed that story. Finally in 1978 a small group of workers discovered the truth. That began the Dulce wars."

Thomas also says the aliens don't want the land, the gold, the minerals, or water that we posses, nor even the human or animal life. What they do want is magnetic power that surges on and through the Earth. The aliens harvest this magic power in a way unknown to us. Thomas says the aliens recognize this power as more valuable than any other commodity on our globe.

It may be unpalatable to digest or believe Thomas' story. In fact, it seems like part of a living nightmare. There is evidence that something strange does go on at Dulce. Does Thomas have the answer? There may be a terrible truth hidden behind the continuing phenomena of UFO sightings, abductions, and animal mutilations. Our government intelligence agencies have had an ongoing watchful eye on all UFO activities for many decades now. This extraordinary phenomenon must have an extraordinary explanation. We may be only one outpost in a vast interstellar empire.

Recently, researcher John Anderson went to Dulce, N.M., to see if there was any truth to the reported UFO activity. He says as he arrived in town he saw a caravan of cars and a McDonell-Douglas mini-lab in a van going up a rural road near the town. He followed them to a fenced-in compound where he waited to see further developments. Suddenly, six UFOs descended rapidly over the compound, hovered long enough for him to snap a picture, then shot up and out of sight. When later stopping at a store, he told the owner about the UFO photo he had taken, the store owner listened and revealed how he had been a victim rancher of cattle mutes. Their conversation was interrupted by a phone call. The store owner told John to leave at once, then after John went to his car, he saw a mysterious van drive up to the store and a man got out and went inside. John, deciding to leave Dulce, was followed by two men in a car as he left town.

Even more recently a research team has gone up to Archuleta Mesa to take soundings under the ground. Preliminary and tentative computer analysis of these soundings seem to indicate deep cavities under the mesa.

How long will the secret of Dulce, known to insiders as Section D, remain locked up inside the mute New Mexico mountains? Forever?
digitalprincess
QUOTE(Independent1 @ Oct 16 2004, 03:55 AM)
QUOTE(digitalprincess @ Oct 14 2004, 02:58 AM)
If you have a clue  where all these things will lead to
you will understand why.  Of course, the book of revelation
is a guideline for us...they fulfill that prophecy to TAG everyone
without us even knowing it fully, a very subtle way
it could be used for good and for evil purposes.
They will not put 666 on your forehead or on your right hand
that would be very obvious.

Later on...you will found out that you cannot
buy or sell without an implant.  Currency will be outdated because
of rampant counterfiet money.  If you remember the TV Series
Taken....these are similar incidents that could happen to us.

Its all about Alien Agenda, if you notice, in your mailbox, there are
always missing childrens, then...the trend now is with their relatives,
missing together.  They already profiled who is their human cattle.
Aliens fool our Government Leaders with their gifts of technology,
they use us...humans to build them underground empire, consume
us for their bioplasmic needs.  Does people realized how easy it
is to know who is healthy and who is not?

The technology become so sophisticated as the years go by:
no wonder if you have a Chip Implant, they could monitor
your thoughts, your conversations and location.

This is not paranoia, this is the future reality.  And its going
to happen.  The choice is yours....

If you read the Book of Revelation....remember Satan is the Dragon,
the Serpent.  Since he was denied of human body...he will take a
reptile body to counterfiet God's creations....humans.   In the
secret underground bases, they do many combinations of
genetic Hybrids.  I know that every word i type here is monitored.
Many people has no idea whats going on.  Where do you think they got
that cloning technology?      If people do their own research about
these things, they will not be surprised.  

Copy and  paste the links:


http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/News/privacyTest.php

http://www.geocities.com/cut2thechase_ca/ion-motb.htm

http://home.cogeco.ca/~nonwo/GCMC.html

http://www.chemtrailpatrol.com/cpr_mind_control_menu.htm

As for me and my family, we are not afraid, we have peace
in our home, the only refuge when everything is in chaos.
They are happening and its better to know these things
than to be trapped by it.
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Okay Captain Paranoid, sorry I asked.

I highly doubt that space aliens, the "new world order", and the anti-christ are all in lleague to implant chips in all of us that will read out minds.
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My reply Independent 1:


News for 'ADSX' - (Digital Angel Exiting Applied Digital? Did Company Fail To Publicize VeriChip Risks?)


Oct 21, 2004 (financialwire.net via COMTEX) -- (FinancialWire) Digital Angel
(AMEX: DOC), which manufactures the VeriChip "Big Brother" biochip
licensed by Applied Digital (NASDAQ: ADSX) for human applications, appears to be
bailing out of Applied Digital.

According to a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, "on
October 14, 2004, Digital Angel Corporation sold 1,069,650 shares of Applied
Digital common stock held by Digital Angel Corporation. The shares of Applied
Digital common stock were previously registered with the Securities and Exchange
Commission and were sold at prevailing market prices through a registered broker
dealer for net cash proceeds of $4.0 million. Digital Angel Corporation acquired
the stock from Applied Digital in March 2004."

WorldNetDaily.com, meanwhile hints at a possible reason.

"Though Applied Digital, the company that markets the human-implantable
VeriChip device, has trumpeted recent Food and Drug Administration approval of
the technology, it failed to include in its announcement warnings by the agency
about the downsides of having a transponder lodged under the skin.

"According to a letter issued by the FDA Oct. 12, the ID chip, which is
touted as an immediate way to obtain medical history about the wearer, has
several possible negative effects.

"The potential risks to health associated with the device are: adverse tissue
reaction, migration of implanted transponder, . failure of implanted
transponder, . electromagnetic interference, electrical hazards, magnetic
resonance imaging (MRI) incompatibility and needle stick," said the letter,
which was obtained by Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and
Numbering, or CASPIAN.

WorldNetDaily quoted Katherine Albrecht, founder and director of CASPIAN,
chastised Applied Digital and manufacturer Digital Angel for failing to mention
the negative aspects of its technology:

"By omitting this information from their press material, the companies marketing
the VeriChip have painted an inaccurately rosy picture of their product that
could mislead consumers into believing the devices are completely safe."

She was quoted as singling out the MRI-incompatibility issue as one of
particular concern.

"Patients contemplating a VeriChip implant need to know that the FDA has raised
incompatibity as a potential risk," she said. "If it's a choice between a
potentially life-saving diagnostic procedure or a VeriChip implant, I believe
most patients would choose the MRI." She said a document from the U.S. Food and
Drug Administration warns that when under MRI, "Electrical currents may be
induced in conductive metal implants" that can cause "potentially severe patient
burns."

In addition to outlining the health risks of the VeriChip, WorldNetDaily says
the FDA letter also cites the risk of "compromised information security" among
its concerns.

"The implant, about the size of a grain of rice, uses radio waves to
transmit medical and financial account information to reader devices. There is a
risk that these transmission could be intercepted and duplicated by others or
that ' as privacy advocates have warned ' the devices could be used to track an
individual's movements and location."

"Once you're chipped, you can be identified by doorway portal readers without
your knowledge," it quoted Albrecht. "That tracking potential, coupled with
VeriChip's potential health risks make the VeriChip a very poor choice for
medical patients seeking safety and security."

The VeriChip is in fact used in Europe for non-medical purposes.

A syringe-injected microchip implant provides users with VIP treatment at the
Baja Beach Club in Barcelona. A "reader" recognizes the individual,
credit balance and opens doors automatically into exclusive areas of the club,
according to Conrad K. Chase, the club's director.

VeriPay implanted patrons can buy drinks and food with a "wave of their
hand."

"The objective of this technology is to bring an ID system to a global level
that will destroy the need to carry ID documents and credit cards," Chase said.

Only 900 individuals have so far asked to be implanted, howeer.

Chase was also quoted as claiming that the VeriChip company had told him that
the Italian government was preparing to implant government workers.

Religious fundamentals believe that the VeriChip may be "The Mark of the
Beast" referenced in the "Book of Revelations," that says only those
with the "mark" in their hands or forehead may buy or sell.

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