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gryphon_2005

Nov 18 2004, 01:39 AM

QUOTE(Chanelle_Rose @ Nov 15 2004, 12:43 AM)

QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 13 2004, 06:28 AM)

QUOTE(Chanelle_Rose @ Nov 13 2004, 12:16 PM)

QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 12 2004, 03:37 PM)

how about facts and proof instead of story's. looks to me that some christians want to make religion acknowledge itself because it became obsolete when aliens stepped into our lifes and the creation theory was proven to be bogus.
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LOL! Sounds to me like some unbeliever who's sulking and trying to cry foul because the fact that aliens exist actually fits in perfectly with and proves the whole Bible as true. The fact that aliens exist fits in more perfectly with the Bible than any other theory you can ever hope to dream up as the explination for their existence. It is more than a coincidence how the reptilian aliens are of the serpent race and are the meanest of the aliens and how the Bible describes a serpent as the devil and as the one who tempted EVE.

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how do you fanatics know about the reptilians and greys. did you see them? did you talk to them? any proof at all? i can also make up story's that 'match'the bible or any other book. and in the hindu books there are alot of accoounts of aliens. why are those not true and the bible is. you get your info from www.stargods.org do you

omg there is a movie that exactly matches the bible it must be true then

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Excuse me? How do you sinners know about reptilians and greys? I don't get my information from that site, I get my information from my own study of science and the Bible as well as the UFO phenominon, and other sources and I am well aware of what a lot of other religions say about UFOs.

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Then I guess I am a "sinner" -- because I left The Episcopal church years ago for its blatant hypocracy and attitude toward fellow humans. Plus I STUDY ALL I can get my hands on! And I also know the Bible INSIDE AND OUT -- including the Latin Vulgate.

Is it NOT THE DEVIL who favors IGNORANCE because it is far easier to "control" the people? THEY and THEY ALONE (religious fanatics) are responsible for Inquisitions, destroyed libraries (and banned books), murderous censorship, and destruction of relics under the assumption that all things NOT of the Bible are the Devil's works? I think history shows this quite well!

WHAT YOU DO NOT know is HOW the Bible was put together -- that there were books UNCANONIZED (like the Book of Enoch - and the TWO Books of Adam and Eve) -- STILL stored in the Vatican Archives.

Open mind and common sense you listed ..... I DO NOT see it here. The ONLY thing worse than being Non-OBJECTIVE is a CLOSED MINDED where EVERYTHING MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIBLE OR IT IS EVIL.

Sad -- I see too much ignorance and blind fixations to a book that is INDEED filled with so many contradictions (I have over one hundred pages of those indexed and itemized!).

This FORUM should be and is an open forum with SHARED ideas and mutual expressions of interests. I see so many "Glassy Eyed Zombies" walking around like lost souls (as they appear to be) -- chanting the proverbial mantra of "being saved". They are the WORSE people to try to talk common sense to. Sad I see it here and think that we could do better in our exchanges. JUST MY OPINION!

ONCE AGAIN -- THE BIBLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXTRATERRESTRIALS .. NOR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The Old Testament is a PLAGERISM of the Sumerian Creation narratives. As well with the Great Flood (read the Epic of Gilgamesh). Those tablets are far earlier.

As you are also a little bit lacking in History -- try reading about the FIRST COUNCIL of NICEA and how the Emporer Constantine The First organized the (as then called) "HELIOS SCRIPTOS" - or Holy Writ. This was circa 325 AD. NOT December 25th Year one!!

There are many of the Dead Sea Scrolls hard to get. WHY -- perhaps a certain few who jealously guard the "fold" do NOT want us to see the contradictions.

TRY translating Hebrew into Greek, and then into Latin -- and then into ENGLISH!!!!
I can't go on because I will end up writing a book.

From the Gryphon's lair

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 19 2004, 06:47 AM

QUOTE(laveticus666 @ Nov 16 2004, 03:43 PM)

The fact is you either beleave in the bible or not. If you call yourself a christian then you have to beleave in the whole thing not just bits you like and throw away the rest because science proves its wrong. Then if the bible's wrong about the earths age then it could be very wrong about everything else and seeing since this "almighty god" created the earth it seems pretty stupied that "he" doesnt even know the age of the earth since all christians say that the bible is the "word of god".
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You all are so ignorant of the Bible that I don't even know where to begin to correct you in order to have an intellegent discussion about it all! I would have to go down the line and throw away all of your misconceptions about what the Bible says and stands for just to be able to even begin to discuss anything.

How can I discuss this with you when the thing you accuse me of is not even what I believe!

You guys are too much!

And why are you all so aggresively against Christians and Christianity!? You know what they say about those who protest too much! Maybe because deep down you are scared to death that I am right?!

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 17 2004, 08:39 PM)

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Then I guess I am a "sinner" -- because I left The Episcopal church years ago for its blatant hypocracy and attitude toward fellow humans. Plus I STUDY ALL I can get my hands on! And I also know the Bible INSIDE AND OUT -- including the Latin Vulgate.

Is it NOT THE DEVIL who favors IGNORANCE because it is far easier to "control" the people? THEY and THEY ALONE (religious fanatics) are responsible for Inquisitions, destroyed libraries (and banned books), murderous censorship, and destruction of relics under the assumption that all things NOT of the Bible are the Devil's works? I think history shows this quite well!

WHAT YOU DO NOT know is HOW the Bible was put together -- that there were books UNCANONIZED (like the Book of Enoch - and the TWO Books of Adam and Eve) -- STILL stored in the Vatican Archives.

Open mind and common sense you listed ..... I DO NOT see it here. The ONLY thing worse than being Non-OBJECTIVE is a CLOSED MINDED where EVERYTHING MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIBLE OR IT IS EVIL.

Sad -- I see too much ignorance and blind fixations to a book that is INDEED filled with so many contradictions (I have over one hundred pages of those indexed and itemized!).

This FORUM should be and is an open forum with SHARED ideas and mutual expressions of interests. I see so many "Glassy Eyed Zombies" walking around like lost souls (as they appear to be) -- chanting the proverbial mantra of "being saved". They are the WORSE people to try to talk common sense to. Sad I see it here and think that we could do better in our exchanges. JUST MY OPINION!

ONCE AGAIN -- THE BIBLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXTRATERRESTRIALS .. NOR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The Old Testament is a PLAGERISM of the Sumerian Creation narratives. As well with the Great Flood (read the Epic of Gilgamesh). Those tablets are far earlier.

As you are also a little bit lacking in History -- try reading about the FIRST COUNCIL of NICEA and how the Emporer Constantine The First organized the (as then called) "HELIOS SCRIPTOS" - or Holy Writ. This was circa 325 AD. NOT December 25th Year one!!

There are many of the Dead Sea Scrolls hard to get. WHY -- perhaps a certain few who jealously guard the "fold" do NOT want us to see the contradictions.

TRY translating Hebrew into Greek, and then into Latin -- and then into ENGLISH!!!!
I can't go on because I will end up writing a book.

From the Gryphon's lair
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Your first mistake was with the Episcopal church! But I won't get into that. And for your information I am well aware of the dead sea scrolls and book of Enoch I write all about them in my website!

I am telling you that the Bible has everything to do with aliens, you just can't see it. You are blinded. If you don't think aliens have anything to do with the Bible, then you don't know the Bible!

Everyone just needs to take a deep breath, relax, and think before you type, and discuss this intellegently without making accusations and trying to beat up on Christians. Like I said you protest too much, makes me wonder.

EDIT-Merged posts, use the edit button instead of multiple posting -UA

Hotoke

Nov 19 2004, 02:17 PM

QUOTE(Chanelle_Rose @ Nov 19 2004, 11:25 AM)

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 17 2004, 08:39 PM)

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Then I guess I am a "sinner" -- because I left The Episcopal church years ago for its blatant hypocracy and attitude toward fellow humans. Plus I STUDY ALL I can get my hands on! And I also know the Bible INSIDE AND OUT -- including the Latin Vulgate.

Is it NOT THE DEVIL who favors IGNORANCE because it is far easier to "control" the people? THEY and THEY ALONE (religious fanatics) are responsible for Inquisitions, destroyed libraries (and banned books), murderous censorship, and destruction of relics under the assumption that all things NOT of the Bible are the Devil's works? I think history shows this quite well!

WHAT YOU DO NOT know is HOW the Bible was put together -- that there were books UNCANONIZED (like the Book of Enoch - and the TWO Books of Adam and Eve) -- STILL stored in the Vatican Archives.

Open mind and common sense you listed ..... I DO NOT see it here. The ONLY thing worse than being Non-OBJECTIVE is a CLOSED MINDED where EVERYTHING MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIBLE OR IT IS EVIL.

Sad -- I see too much ignorance and blind fixations to a book that is INDEED filled with so many contradictions (I have over one hundred pages of those indexed and itemized!).

This FORUM should be and is an open forum with SHARED ideas and mutual expressions of interests. I see so many "Glassy Eyed Zombies" walking around like lost souls (as they appear to be) -- chanting the proverbial mantra of "being saved". They are the WORSE people to try to talk common sense to. Sad I see it here and think that we could do better in our exchanges. JUST MY OPINION!

ONCE AGAIN -- THE BIBLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXTRATERRESTRIALS .. NOR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The Old Testament is a PLAGERISM of the Sumerian Creation narratives. As well with the Great Flood (read the Epic of Gilgamesh). Those tablets are far earlier.

As you are also a little bit lacking in History -- try reading about the FIRST COUNCIL of NICEA and how the Emporer Constantine The First organized the (as then called) "HELIOS SCRIPTOS" - or Holy Writ. This was circa 325 AD. NOT December 25th Year one!!

There are many of the Dead Sea Scrolls hard to get. WHY -- perhaps a certain few who jealously guard the "fold" do NOT want us to see the contradictions.

TRY translating Hebrew into Greek, and then into Latin -- and then into ENGLISH!!!!
I can't go on because I will end up writing a book.

From the Gryphon's lair
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Your first mistake was with the Episcopal church! But I won't get into that. And for your information I am well aware of the dead sea scrolls and book of Enoch I write all about them in my website!

I am telling you that the Bible has everything to do with aliens, you just can't see it. You are blinded. If you don't think aliens have anything to do with the Bible, then you don't know the Bible!

Everyone just needs to take a deep breath, relax, and think before you type, and discuss this intellegently without making accusations and trying to beat up on Christians. Like I said you protest too much, makes me wonder.

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yes just ignore what everyone has been posting. ignore the facts. and just ignore the faults in you theory. and after all that you claim that we are bashing christianity and we are scared. i dont know what to say

and your website not credible at all. you are making theory's against facts. you even think man walked with dinosaurs

Celumnaz

Nov 19 2004, 03:26 PM

rar! can't believe I haven't seen this thread going... hehe... my kinda thread...

aliens are really the topic of argument, and division, and fear, godly things all.

bible codes may or may not be real... just like say... AStrology...

I think to a point it's real, but it's not what you should turn to First, or put soooo much faith and time in. Planets Can be wrong, Bible codes Can be found in moby dicks... is there a real message... well sure, maybe a few, as a sign... but it's not to be used for divination and prophecy... just like the stars... can be true, can be false, something real is there, turn to God first, signs are there.

ooga booga I got me my 3rd cup of coffee this morning already... mmmmmmmm... *drools wide eyed*

dreckeo

Nov 19 2004, 08:54 PM

you know i have notice something everything that is written by a user on this website about aliens always 99.9% of the time is always related to god Why?

just say for a second that god does not exist so your theory is maybe we came from apes well it would take billions of years for us to evolve for apes and it's proven that the earth is not that old. and say you don't maybe the single celled it would take even longer or maybe just maybe all of this happened by accident myself i don't think that something this complex was just a accident

so when it comes down to the end you must take it and ask no questions that they are something more powerfull then us all and it's at work

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Stellar

Nov 19 2004, 10:33 PM

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just say for a second that god does not exist so your theory is maybe we came from apes well it would take billions of years for us to evolve for apes and it's proven that the earth is not that old. and say you don't maybe the single celled it would take even longer or maybe just maybe all of this happened by accident myself i don't think that something this complex was just a accident

Umm, evolution from apes did not take billions of years... and the earth is more than a billion years old... where are you getting your "facts" from?

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so when it comes down to the end you must take it and ask no questions that they are something more powerfull then us all and it's at work

Ahh, am I reading this right? Because you dont think it could have happened... we should not ask any questions and simply believe that theres a god?

Insight

Nov 20 2004, 03:56 AM

To Chanelle_Rose

STOP what you are doing! If you truely loved God, you would not want to turn others off from Him by acting in the judgemental way you are!

How dare you judge him by saying he is "freakin" dumb! We are NOT to judge. it is not our place.
Your ignorance of your own faith is the very reason why people hate christians!

I am one of like faith, but acting in this manner stirs up bitterness!

A soft answer turneth away wrath!

Also, how do you people know that the earth is PROVEN to be billions of years old. Is it because you were taught that by a GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION such as your highschools and universities?

They use to teach the "proven fact" that the earth was flat, and people were persucuted for believing otherwise.

They used to teach that diseases were because of bad blood, and many died as a result.

The only things you can learn in school are simple concepts, and not the innerworksing of existance. Those things can only be truely learned by personal experience and self discovery.

Do you truely want to give another human being dominion over your mind and development by taking these sciences as truth? Has not the govenment lied to us time and time again to protect it's power and what THEY deem our own interests?

Highschool students are sheep. University students are cattle. The buildings are their stables. And they make profit for their oweners, expanind their wealth and kingdoms.

I know this, because I once was one, before having my mind unlocked.

Plato said, you'll never meet a human who knows what he is.

I found out what I am, and was unready for it, but am better for it now.

EDIT-Merged posts, use the edit button instead of multiple posting -UA

gryphon_2005

Nov 20 2004, 06:31 AM

QUOTE(Chanelle_Rose @ Nov 19 2004, 02:55 AM)

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 17 2004, 08:39 PM)

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Then I guess I am a "sinner" -- because I left The Episcopal church years ago for its blatant hypocracy and attitude toward fellow humans. Plus I STUDY ALL I can get my hands on! And I also know the Bible INSIDE AND OUT -- including the Latin Vulgate.

Is it NOT THE DEVIL who favors IGNORANCE because it is far easier to "control" the people? THEY and THEY ALONE (religious fanatics) are responsible for Inquisitions, destroyed libraries (and banned books), murderous censorship, and destruction of relics under the assumption that all things NOT of the Bible are the Devil's works? I think history shows this quite well!

WHAT YOU DO NOT know is HOW the Bible was put together -- that there were books UNCANONIZED (like the Book of Enoch - and the TWO Books of Adam and Eve) -- STILL stored in the Vatican Archives.

Open mind and common sense you listed ..... I DO NOT see it here. The ONLY thing worse than being Non-OBJECTIVE is a CLOSED MINDED where EVERYTHING MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIBLE OR IT IS EVIL.

Sad -- I see too much ignorance and blind fixations to a book that is INDEED filled with so many contradictions (I have over one hundred pages of those indexed and itemized!).

This FORUM should be and is an open forum with SHARED ideas and mutual expressions of interests. I see so many "Glassy Eyed Zombies" walking around like lost souls (as they appear to be) -- chanting the proverbial mantra of "being saved". They are the WORSE people to try to talk common sense to. Sad I see it here and think that we could do better in our exchanges. JUST MY OPINION!

ONCE AGAIN -- THE BIBLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXTRATERRESTRIALS .. NOR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The Old Testament is a PLAGERISM of the Sumerian Creation narratives. As well with the Great Flood (read the Epic of Gilgamesh). Those tablets are far earlier.

As you are also a little bit lacking in History -- try reading about the FIRST COUNCIL of NICEA and how the Emporer Constantine The First organized the (as then called) "HELIOS SCRIPTOS" - or Holy Writ. This was circa 325 AD. NOT December 25th Year one!!

There are many of the Dead Sea Scrolls hard to get. WHY -- perhaps a certain few who jealously guard the "fold" do NOT want us to see the contradictions.

TRY translating Hebrew into Greek, and then into Latin -- and then into ENGLISH!!!!
I can't go on because I will end up writing a book.

From the Gryphon's lair
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Your first mistake was with the Episcopal church! But I won't get into that. And for your information I am well aware of the dead sea scrolls and book of Enoch I write all about them in my website!

I am telling you that the Bible has everything to do with aliens, you just can't see it. You are blinded. If you don't think aliens have anything to do with the Bible, then you don't know the Bible!

Everyone just needs to take a deep breath, relax, and think before you type, and discuss this intelligently without making accusations and trying to beat up on Christians. Like I said you protest too much, makes me wonder.

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WHY, pray tell - was the Episcopal church a "mistake"??
It was a choice I made of my FREE WILL. It was also FIVE entire generations of my family. I LEFT CHRISTIANITY -- NOT the Episcopal Church alone. I marched out of that church December 1972 when I returned from Viet Nam - with FULL DRESS uniform (Gold Stripes and medals) - because the SERMON preached was Anti-war politics -- something that should NOT have been a subject for a Sunday Mass.
You are telling me that this is also NOT TRUE CHRISTIANITY - being Episcopal?
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I had Midnight Mass in the Vatican with the Pope in 1985 (just before our Carrier Group hit Libya in '86 (APRIL)). Does that betray my being Episcopal?

I walked the shores of the Sea of Galilee and walked the excavated Capaurnum -- Tiberias, Jerusalem -- and walked the Negev Desert (some on mission -- and some on soul searching). Does this make me a traitor? Bethlehem, Istanbul, Cairo -- and many places you would not even read about. Does this make me MORE IGNORANT? I have access to the Vatican Archives, and some other SACRED libraries that the likes of you would prefer to take to torch (RIGHT - protest too much!). I have an OPEN MIND and TRY to accept ANYONE's Point of view -- but would prefer NEVER to chastise anyone for their beliefs. I respect them. YOUR words stand to be the one who protests far more than you would like to admit.

Your mention of the Dead Sea Scrolls -- do you have the ACTUAL Documents with you? I also have Nag Hamadi Library which you could find here: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

The Gnostics Scrolls, Essene Scrolls (in book form) - and various OTHER UNACCEPTED BY THE CHURCH _ BUT RELATED) publications -- ALL done by scholars .. some in the University of Bethlehem. Is GOD going to punish me for knowing TOO MUCH?
IF SO then I ask .... WHY??? You have NOT mentioned your point of view of the FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA [ http://www.piar.hu/councils/ecum01.htm ].

I protest too much - your own words ..... I have dealt with people who have chastised every decision I made because it did not go according to "GOD's" Word .. etc. etc. etc. I always "turned the cheek" and respected their point of view (EVEN Jehovah's Witnesses) - and guard THEIR RIGHT to choose their views -- consider ALL sacred to them. I NEVER FORCE MY FAITH on anyone by telling that person that because they are NOT ...... then they are comdemned to eternal fires. I hope you are not one of these people -- because THEY and THEIR LIKE have condemned people for NOT sharing their views.

I ONLY protest because you have judged me with a few simple words -- and this gives me a clue as to your CLOSED MINDED VIEW -- again your right. But I ALSO have a right to counter your view with FACTS -- and when I can they will be brought up right here, and right to the point.

I don't know you and do not judge you -- you do not know me and I expect that same respect from you. This IS friendly advice and I always heed my own advice. This site is for open views from open points of mind -- and there should be mutual respect for this.

MY MISTAKE was NOT the Episcopal Church -- it was ACCEPTING CHRISTIANITY for the terrible hypocrisy I have seen, and PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED.. Does this make me an ATHEIST (as you probably believe)? NO!! My heritage is MOHAWK [Native American if you will].Native (New York) my Father's blood runs with my own ancestors. I also saw what "BEING SAVED" has done for the ORIGINAL NATIVES of this fine country!!

I am now what you would call a NEO-PLATONIC GNOSTIC and PREFER to study any and EVERYTHING I can get my hands on - even the QURAN, Tibet Book of the Dead, Egyptian Book of the Dead -- and some other narrations that you probably never heard of. Does that make me ... IGNORANT?

I do not protest -- I accepted a point of view because I BELIEVE in sharing ideas.
BUT my saying is this: "DO NOT judge me until you have walked a mile in my moccasins!!".

But I have been to 38 countries, studied in places you won't even read about -- been through more experiences I could never even share without lengthly narration.

DO YOU accept the BOOK OF ENOCH as SACRED WORD? Or just something that GOD CHOSE to leave out? OR was it Constantine I - who judged it "not fit for Rome and it's NEW Faith"!? The NEW ROME of the East.

No -- I am not protesting -- ONLY defending my OWN Faith [which is BELIEVING IN A UNIVERSAL and OMNIPOTENT SPIRITUAL ESSENCE THAT RUNS THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE AS WE KNOW IT], thank you!!

NOW IT IS YOUR TURN! Pray tell .. WHERE in the BIBLE does it have to do with ALIENS? Verse quotes please!!!

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Stellar

Nov 20 2004, 02:35 PM

QUOTE(Insight @ Nov 20 2004, 04:01 AM)

Also, how do you people know that the earth is PROVEN to be billions of years old. Is it because you were taught that by a GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION such as your highschools and universities?

And how do you know god exists? Because the bible and the church tells you so? Because the bible and the church tells you that if you had a "feeling" its actually god?

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They use to teach the "proven fact" that the earth was flat, and people were persucuted for believing otherwise.

And that wasnt science. Oh and wait a minute... who was the organisation supporting the flat earth theory?

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The only things you can learn in school are simple concepts, and not the innerworksing of existance. Those things can only be truely learned by personal experience and self discovery.

You can learn what other scientists discovered, and the theories formulated out of them. You rarely see in science class the teacher telling you something is a proven fact. They're theories, they explain what a theory is, they explain why something is a theory, and they explain what evidence it has supporting it. If we didnt use this process, we would never advance.

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Do you truely want to give another human being dominion over your mind and development by taking these sciences as truth? Has not the govenment lied to us time and time again to protect it's power and what THEY deem our own interests?

Has religion not lied to us more? I can use that same argument against religion. Shows how desperate you are to find an argument.

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Highschool students are sheep. University students are cattle. The buildings are their stables. And they make profit for their oweners, expanind their wealth and kingdoms.

They teach the students, the students end up being the scientists of tommorow, they make new discoveries, advance our knowledge, find cures for diseases... Yes, what a horrible, horrible institution, as opposed to religion which comes to gether and chants. Yes... its religion that makes the world go around...

I'd watch who you call sheep... cuz its definitly not the scientists... it sounds more like you're the sheep.

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I know this, because I once was one, before having my mind unlocked.

Your mind unlocked? Please. Hey, I've got a friend named bob. He's invisible and has pink skin. Only I can see him. Do you believe me?

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I found out what I am, and was unready for it, but am better for it now.

I was christian, and I because an atheist and more scientific. Im better for it now too... Sure, you'll tell me I'm worse... but if you're dieing on a bed because of some disease and I find a cure for it, would you still say I'm worse off?

gryphon_2005

Nov 20 2004, 08:26 PM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 20 2004, 10:35 AM)

QUOTE(Insight @ Nov 20 2004, 04:01 AM)

Also, how do you people know that the earth is PROVEN to be billions of years old. Is it because you were taught that by a GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION such as your highschools and universities?

And how do you know god exists? Because the bible and the church tells you so? Because the bible and the church tells you that if you had a "feeling" its actually god?

QUOTE

They use to teach the "proven fact" that the earth was flat, and people were persucuted for believing otherwise.

And that wasnt science. Oh and wait a minute... who was the organisation supporting the flat earth theory?

QUOTE

The only things you can learn in school are simple concepts, and not the innerworksing of existance. Those things can only be truely learned by personal experience and self discovery.

You can learn what other scientists discovered, and the theories formulated out of them. You rarely see in science class the teacher telling you something is a proven fact. They're theories, they explain what a theory is, they explain why something is a theory, and they explain what evidence it has supporting it. If we didnt use this process, we would never advance.

QUOTE

Do you truely want to give another human being dominion over your mind and development by taking these sciences as truth? Has not the govenment lied to us time and time again to protect it's power and what THEY deem our own interests?

Has religion not lied to us more? I can use that same argument against religion. Shows how desperate you are to find an argument.

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Highschool students are sheep. University students are cattle. The buildings are their stables. And they make profit for their oweners, expanind their wealth and kingdoms.

They teach the students, the students end up being the scientists of tommorow, they make new discoveries, advance our knowledge, find cures for diseases... Yes, what a horrible, horrible institution, as opposed to religion which comes to gether and chants. Yes... its religion that makes the world go around...

I'd watch who you call sheep... cuz its definitly not the scientists... it sounds more like you're the sheep.

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I know this, because I once was one, before having my mind unlocked.

Your mind unlocked? Please. Hey, I've got a friend named bob. He's invisible and has pink skin. Only I can see him. Do you believe me?

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I found out what I am, and was unready for it, but am better for it now.

I was christian, and I because an atheist and more scientific. Im better for it now too... Sure, you'll tell me I'm worse... but if you're dieing on a bed because of some disease and I find a cure for it, would you still say I'm worse off?
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Seems the Teacher's UNION (NEA) - and all of their Politically Correct have WON! The MORE EDUCATED one becomes -- the MORE IGNORANT they are to the REAL WORLD!!

HOW (God mind you) -- CAN a person go from being "BORN AGAIN" to one who HUDDLES with KARL MARX and vows solid SERVITUDE to the COMMON LABORER - and ... sees invisible "PINK" whatevers -- and YES! Jokes albeit! But LET'S GET REAL HERE!

I was AFRAID that the common lunatics would come out of the closet when certain subjects are availed. BUT SHEESH! HAS the U.S. Government exhausted it's BUDGET so that they have to HIRE the TELETUBBIES to teach Astrophysics?!

LET's GET REAL HERE -- some subjects NEGATE the USUAL lunatic fringe for an open DISCUSSION of things QUITE SERIOUS for a Public Forum!

I'm gonna TURN OFF this Forum until I see a little more OBJECTIVITY here. NO LOSS to me -- but I see COUNTLESS messages sent to me from the "BORN AGAIN" crowd who want to "SAVE MY SOUL" -- OR they will send the LITTLE GREEN MEN after me!!

My GOD!! How sad this is!! So many Bastard Children in need of recognition and they have to come here .. and I am sorry guys -- but my E-Mail has been bombarded with this crowd - and I have to retreat to deal with this ONE ON ONE (and I will!).

Shades of GREY!!

YOU, Guy -- the ABOVE AD .... take it from here as I am gonna go away for a while and try to talk with the "Common Folk" -- like FLO from that Greasy Spoon Diner in Arkansas.

I ABHORE POP-UPS -- but messages from the "BORN AGAIN" exhausts my human decency. I place an ad and all of a sudden I have the entire GAUNTLET coming down on me -- flooding me with nonsense.

CHILDREN OF GOD!!! But WHAT GOD!!!

David Koresh -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!! SHEESH!!

From the snuffed OUT candle of the gryphon's Lair ... I BID my leave of absence until I can MAKE SENSE out of these Terrible neglected CHILDREN - called "BORN AGAIN"!!

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The GRYPHON 's LAIR has snuffed out its candle for a bit!

Stellar

Nov 20 2004, 08:55 PM

QUOTE

Seems the Teacher's UNION (NEA) - and all of their Politically Correct have WON! The MORE EDUCATED one becomes -- the MORE IGNORANT they are to the REAL WORLD!!

HOW (God mind you) -- CAN a person go from being "BORN AGAIN" to one who HUDDLES with KARL MARX and vows solid SERVITUDE to the COMMON LABORER - and ... sees invisible "PINK" whatevers -- and YES! Jokes albeit! But LET'S GET REAL HERE!

I was AFRAID that the common lunatics would come out of the closet when certain subjects are availed. BUT SHEESH! HAS the U.S. Government exhausted it's BUDGET so that they have to HIRE the TELETUBBIES to teach Astrophysics?!

LET's GET REAL HERE -- some subjects NEGATE the USUAL lunatic fringe for an open DISCUSSION of things QUITE SERIOUS for a Public Forum!

I'm gonna TURN OFF this Forum until I see a little more OBJECTIVITY here. NO LOSS to me -- but I see COUNTLESS messages sent to me from the "BORN AGAIN" crowd who want to "SAVE MY SOUL" -- OR they will send the LITTLE GREEN MEN after me!!

My GOD!! How sad this is!! So many Bastard Children in need of recognition and they have to come here .. and I am sorry guys -- but my E-Mail has been bombarded with this crowd - and I have to retreat to deal with this ONE ON ONE (and I will!).

Shades of GREY!!

YOU, Guy -- the ABOVE AD .... take it from here as I am gonna go away for a while and try to talk with the "Common Folk" -- like FLO from that Greasy Spoon Diner in Arkansas.

I ABHORE POP-UPS -- but messages from the "BORN AGAIN" exhausts my human decency. I place an ad and all of a sudden I have the entire GAUNTLET coming down on me -- flooding me with nonsense.

CHILDREN OF GOD!!! But WHAT GOD!!!

David Koresh -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!! SHEESH!!

From the snuffed OUT candle of the gryphon's Lair ... I BID my leave of absence until I can MAKE SENSE out of these Terrible neglected CHILDREN - called "BORN AGAIN"!!

Whoah man, what are you talking about? Me? Born again? No... I was braught up christain, in a catholic school... I became more and more scientific (from about grade 8 and up) and now I'm an atheist. Theres no born again about me... its just that I realised that what I believed in was on the same scale, IMO, as believing in imaginary friends, and believing in santa clause.

Fluffybunny

Nov 20 2004, 09:00 PM

QUOTE

The GRYPHON 's LAIR has snuffed out its candle for a bit!

That's probably for the best...

gryphon_2005

Nov 20 2004, 11:19 PM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 20 2004, 04:55 PM)

QUOTE

Seems the Teacher's UNION (NEA) - and all of their Politically Correct have WON! The MORE EDUCATED one becomes -- the MORE IGNORANT they are to the REAL WORLD!!

HOW (God mind you) -- CAN a person go from being "BORN AGAIN" to one who HUDDLES with KARL MARX and vows solid SERVITUDE to the COMMON LABORER - and ... sees invisible "PINK" whatevers -- and YES! Jokes albeit! But LET'S GET REAL HERE!

I was AFRAID that the common lunatics would come out of the closet when certain subjects are availed. BUT SHEESH! HAS the U.S. Government exhausted it's BUDGET so that they have to HIRE the TELETUBBIES to teach Astrophysics?!

LET's GET REAL HERE -- some subjects NEGATE the USUAL lunatic fringe for an open DISCUSSION of things QUITE SERIOUS for a Public Forum!

I'm gonna TURN OFF this Forum until I see a little more OBJECTIVITY here. NO LOSS to me -- but I see COUNTLESS messages sent to me from the "BORN AGAIN" crowd who want to "SAVE MY SOUL" -- OR they will send the LITTLE GREEN MEN after me!!

My GOD!! How sad this is!! So many Bastard Children in need of recognition and they have to come here .. and I am sorry guys -- but my E-Mail has been bombarded with this crowd - and I have to retreat to deal with this ONE ON ONE (and I will!).

Shades of GREY!!

YOU, Guy -- the ABOVE AD .... take it from here as I am gonna go away for a while and try to talk with the "Common Folk" -- like FLO from that Greasy Spoon Diner in Arkansas.

I ABHORE POP-UPS -- but messages from the "BORN AGAIN" exhausts my human decency. I place an ad and all of a sudden I have the entire GAUNTLET coming down on me -- flooding me with nonsense.

CHILDREN OF GOD!!! But WHAT GOD!!!

David Koresh -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!! SHEESH!!

From the snuffed OUT candle of the gryphon's Lair ... I BID my leave of absence until I can MAKE SENSE out of these Terrible neglected CHILDREN - called "BORN AGAIN"!!

Whoa man, what are you talking about? Me? Born again? No... I was brought up christen, in a catholic school... I became more and more scientific (from about grade 8 and up) and now I'm an atheist. Theres no born again about me... its just that I realised that what I believed in was on the same scale, IMO, as believing in imaginary friends, and believing in santa clause.
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PLEASE RE-ITERATE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Thanks!!
I WAS talking about a certain someone who said my Religion was .... (I took it as UNGODLY) -- AR? My religion was a mistake!

Last I looked -- I DIDN'T have any??

gryphon_2005

Nov 20 2004, 11:32 PM

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 20 2004, 07:19 PM)

QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 20 2004, 04:55 PM)

QUOTE

Seems the Teacher's UNION (NEA) - and all of their Politically Correct have WON! The MORE EDUCATED one becomes -- the MORE IGNORANT they are to the REAL WORLD!!

HOW (God mind you) -- CAN a person go from being "BORN AGAIN" to one who HUDDLES with KARL MARX and vows solid SERVITUDE to the COMMON LABORER - and ... sees invisible "PINK" whatevers -- and YES! Jokes albeit! But LET'S GET REAL HERE!

I was AFRAID that the common lunatics would come out of the closet when certain subjects are availed. BUT SHEESH! HAS the U.S. Government exhausted it's BUDGET so that they have to HIRE the TELETUBBIES to teach Astrophysics?!

LET's GET REAL HERE -- some subjects NEGATE the USUAL lunatic fringe for an open DISCUSSION of things QUITE SERIOUS for a Public Forum!

I'm gonna TURN OFF this Forum until I see a little more OBJECTIVITY here. NO LOSS to me -- but I see COUNTLESS messages sent to me from the "BORN AGAIN" crowd who want to "SAVE MY SOUL" -- OR they will send the LITTLE GREEN MEN after me!!

My GOD!! How sad this is!! So many Bastard Children in need of recognition and they have to come here .. and I am sorry guys -- but my E-Mail has been bombarded with this crowd - and I have to retreat to deal with this ONE ON ONE (and I will!).

Shades of GREY!!

YOU, Guy -- the ABOVE AD .... take it from here as I am gonna go away for a while and try to talk with the "Common Folk" -- like FLO from that Greasy Spoon Diner in Arkansas.

I ABHORE POP-UPS -- but messages from the "BORN AGAIN" exhausts my human decency. I place an ad and all of a sudden I have the entire GAUNTLET coming down on me -- flooding me with nonsense.

CHILDREN OF GOD!!! But WHAT GOD!!!

David Koresh -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!! SHEESH!!

From the snuffed OUT candle of the gryphon's Lair ... I BID my leave of absence until I can MAKE SENSE out of these Terrible neglected CHILDREN - called "BORN AGAIN"!!

Whoa man, what are you talking about? Me? Born again? No... I was brought up christen, in a catholic school... I became more and more scientific (from about grade 8 and up) and now I'm an atheist. Theres no born again about me... its just that I realised that what I believed in was on the same scale, IMO, as believing in imaginary friends, and believing in santa clause.
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PLEASE RE-ITERATE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Thanks!!
I WAS talking about a certain someone who said my Religion was .... (I took it as UNGODLY) -- AR? My religion was a mistake!

Last I looked -- I DIDN'T have any??
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OK! I STAND BY MY WORDS!!! FORGET intimidation tactics!

Just answer my questions -- JUST ANSWER! I AM ready!
YOU KNOW who you are!

JUST (I CALL YOUR BLUFF) ANSWER the question(s).

I am MORE than ready!!

From the ever ILLUMINATED Gryphon's Lair

gryphon_2005

Nov 20 2004, 11:36 PM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 20 2004, 04:55 PM)

QUOTE

Seems the Teacher's UNION (NEA) - and all of their Politically Correct have WON! The MORE EDUCATED one becomes -- the MORE IGNORANT they are to the REAL WORLD!!

HOW (God mind you) -- CAN a person go from being "BORN AGAIN" to one who HUDDLES with KARL MARX and vows solid SERVITUDE to the COMMON LABORER - and ... sees invisible "PINK" whatevers -- and YES! Jokes albeit! But LET'S GET REAL HERE!

I was AFRAID that the common lunatics would come out of the closet when certain subjects are availed. BUT SHEESH! HAS the U.S. Government exhausted it's BUDGET so that they have to HIRE the TELETUBBIES to teach Astrophysics?!

LET's GET REAL HERE -- some subjects NEGATE the USUAL lunatic fringe for an open DISCUSSION of things QUITE SERIOUS for a Public Forum!

I'm gonna TURN OFF this Forum until I see a little more OBJECTIVITY here. NO LOSS to me -- but I see COUNTLESS messages sent to me from the "BORN AGAIN" crowd who want to "SAVE MY SOUL" -- OR they will send the LITTLE GREEN MEN after me!!

My GOD!! How sad this is!! So many Bastard Children in need of recognition and they have to come here .. and I am sorry guys -- but my E-Mail has been bombarded with this crowd - and I have to retreat to deal with this ONE ON ONE (and I will!).

Shades of GREY!!

YOU, Guy -- the ABOVE AD .... take it from here as I am gonna go away for a while and try to talk with the "Common Folk" -- like FLO from that Greasy Spoon Diner in Arkansas.

I ABHORE POP-UPS -- but messages from the "BORN AGAIN" exhausts my human decency. I place an ad and all of a sudden I have the entire GAUNTLET coming down on me -- flooding me with nonsense.

CHILDREN OF GOD!!! But WHAT GOD!!!

David Koresh -- LEAVE ME ALONE!!! SHEESH!!

From the snuffed OUT candle of the gryphon's Lair ... I BID my leave of absence until I can MAKE SENSE out of these Terrible neglected CHILDREN - called "BORN AGAIN"!!

Whoah man, what are you talking about? Me? Born again? No... I was braught up christain, in a catholic school... I became more and more scientific (from about grade 8 and up) and now I'm an atheist. Theres no born again about me... its just that I realised that what I believed in was on the same scale, IMO, as believing in imaginary friends, and believing in santa clause.
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Don't worry Guy!! KEEP believing in what you feel is best for you!! YOU were NOT the person I was talking about -- THAT person will avail in the NEXT few entries!

Take care, Guy!!

gryphon_2005

Nov 20 2004, 11:40 PM

QUOTE(Insight @ Nov 19 2004, 11:56 PM)

To Chanelle_Rose

STOP what you are doing! If you truely loved God, you would not want to turn others off from Him by acting in the judgemental way you are!

How dare you judge him by saying he is "freakin" dumb! We are NOT to judge. it is not our place.
Your ignorance of your own faith is the very reason why people hate christians!

I am one of like faith, but acting in this manner stirs up bitterness!

A soft answer turneth away wrath!
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Take care Guy!!! Turn the "other cheek" (if you will)!! Things will "OUT in due time!
And THOSE who judge MOST against others WILL know they will ALSO BE JUDGED!

ANYONE can POST here for their viiews -- it is up to US to render proper response!

From the Gryphon's Lair

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YOU DO have a heart about you. Guy -- STICK WITH IT ---

EDIT-Merged posts, At least wait for a response from insight before you reply to 1 post a second time -UA

Hotoke

Nov 20 2004, 11:51 PM

QUOTE(Insight @ Nov 20 2004, 08:31 AM)

Also, how do you people know that the earth is PROVEN to be billions of years old. Is it because you were taught that by a GOVERNMENT INSTITUTION such as your highschools and universities?

They use to teach the "proven fact" that the earth was flat, and people were persucuted for believing otherwise.

They used to teach that diseases were because of bad blood, and many died as a result.

The only things you can learn in school are simple concepts, and not the innerworksing of existance. Those things can only be truely learned by personal experience and self discovery.

Do you truely want to give another human being dominion over your mind and development by taking these sciences as truth? Has not the govenment lied to us time and time again to protect it's power and what THEY deem our own interests?

Highschool students are sheep. University students are cattle. The buildings are their stables. And they make profit for their oweners, expanind their wealth and kingdoms.
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are you amish? you sound just like one. i find it funny that you say we should not take the sciences as truth because they have been proven as facts. i guess when you have a disease you would pray to god instead of using a cure because they don't work. you keep going backwards while i move forward

gryphon_2005

Nov 21 2004, 12:00 AM

QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 19 2004, 10:17 AM)

QUOTE(Chanelle_Rose @ Nov 19 2004, 11:25 AM)

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 17 2004, 08:39 PM)

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Then I guess I am a "sinner" -- because I left The Episcopal church years ago for its blatant hypocracy and attitude toward fellow humans. Plus I STUDY ALL I can get my hands on! And I also know the Bible INSIDE AND OUT -- including the Latin Vulgate.

Is it NOT THE DEVIL who favors IGNORANCE because it is far easier to "control" the people? THEY and THEY ALONE (religious fanatics) are responsible for Inquisitions, destroyed libraries (and banned books), murderous censorship, and destruction of relics under the assumption that all things NOT of the Bible are the Devil's works? I think history shows this quite well!

WHAT YOU DO NOT know is HOW the Bible was put together -- that there were books UNCANONIZED (like the Book of Enoch - and the TWO Books of Adam and Eve) -- STILL stored in the Vatican Archives.

Open mind and common sense you listed ..... I DO NOT see it here. The ONLY thing worse than being Non-OBJECTIVE is a CLOSED MINDED where EVERYTHING MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIBLE OR IT IS EVIL.

Sad -- I see too much ignorance and blind fixations to a book that is INDEED filled with so many contradictions (I have over one hundred pages of those indexed and itemized!).

This FORUM should be and is an open forum with SHARED ideas and mutual expressions of interests. I see so many "Glassy Eyed Zombies" walking around like lost souls (as they appear to be) -- chanting the proverbial mantra of "being saved". They are the WORSE people to try to talk common sense to. Sad I see it here and think that we could do better in our exchanges. JUST MY OPINION!

ONCE AGAIN -- THE BIBLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXTRATERRESTRIALS .. NOR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The Old Testament is a PLAGERISM of the Sumerian Creation narratives. As well with the Great Flood (read the Epic of Gilgamesh). Those tablets are far earlier.

As you are also a little bit lacking in History -- try reading about the FIRST COUNCIL of NICEA and how the Emporer Constantine The First organized the (as then called) "HELIOS SCRIPTOS" - or Holy Writ. This was circa 325 AD. NOT December 25th Year one!!

There are many of the Dead Sea Scrolls hard to get. WHY -- perhaps a certain few who jealously guard the "fold" do NOT want us to see the contradictions.

TRY translating Hebrew into Greek, and then into Latin -- and then into ENGLISH!!!!
I can't go on because I will end up writing a book.

From the Gryphon's lair
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Your first mistake was with the Episcopal church! But I won't get into that. And for your information I am well aware of the dead sea scrolls and book of Enoch I write all about them in my website!

I am telling you that the Bible has everything to do with aliens, you just can't see it. You are blinded. If you don't think aliens have anything to do with the Bible, then you don't know the Bible!

Everyone just needs to take a deep breath, relax, and think before you type, and discuss this intellegently without making accusations and trying to beat up on Christians. Like I said you protest too much, makes me wonder.

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yes just ignore what everyone has been posting. ignore the facts. and just ignore the faults in you theory. and after all that you claim that we are bashing christianity and we are scared. i dont know what to say

and your website not credible at all. you are making theory's against facts. you even think man walked with dinosaurs

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THIS TO THE WOMAN WHO SAID MY EPISCOPAL RELIGION WAS A MISTAKE
I'm STILL WAITING FOR MY ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter HOW MUCH you want to TRED upon me -- MANY AWAIT the answers to the questions YOU YOURSELF RAISED --

DID my words BASH Christianity? OR -- raise questions about ABUSE and HYPOCRACY?

GIVE US the Bible articles about UFO's .. VERBATUM (if you willl)!

And Tell your "FRIENDS" to STOP filling my E-Mails with NASTY messages!

I USUALLY answer One to one ... but as usual I get nothing back BUT ABOVE!!

Honey! TELL US about the amazing UFO's and ALIENS in the BIBLE! Tell us and NOT ATTACK the very one you attacked before.

OH YES!! I am IGNORING WHAT!? Read the 100 PLUS posts in the last seven days -- READ ALL!!! YOU have MET your match!!!@ Bring it on!!!!

UFO's IN THE BIBLE??? Your turn again? Or still -- you HAVE NOT ANSWERED!!

You TALK THE TALK -- now walk the walk!!

Peeved? You have NO IDEA!!!

BUT!!! I STILL RESPECT OPEN postings! NOT BACK DOOR INTIMIDATIONS!!!
THAT ... tells me much about CHRISTIANITY! SNEAKY as it is!!

WE WERE discussing something else?

Gryph

Stellar

Nov 21 2004, 02:51 AM

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 20 2004, 11:36 PM)

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Don't worry Guy!! KEEP believing in what you feel is best for you!! YOU were NOT the person I was talking about -- THAT person will avail in the NEXT few entries!

Take care, Guy!!
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I thought you were talking to me... You quoted me...

Fluffybunny

Nov 21 2004, 02:59 AM

I think now is a good time to ask everyone to please take a few moments before posting again as things seem to be getting a bit more heated then necessary.

Please give some thoughts to your posts and let's not bash anyones religion(Or lack thereof) or personal beliefs as we are all entitled to believe what we want to believe.

I will not tolerate a flame war, it isn't helpful or useful in the least and only leads to hurt feelings and angry posters.

Thank you for your help in this matter.

Fluffy

gryphon_2005

Nov 21 2004, 07:19 AM

QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Nov 20 2004, 10:59 PM)

I think now is a good time to ask everyone to please take a few moments before posting again as things seem to be getting a bit more heated then necessary.

Please give some thoughts to your posts and let's not bash anyones religion(Or lack thereof) or personal beliefs as we are all entitled to believe what we want to believe.

I will not tolerate a flame war, it isn't helpful or useful in the least and only leads to hurt feelings and angry posters.

Thank you for your help in this matter.

Fluffy
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You GOT IT, Kitten! And my APOLOGIES for my barbs and words.

For me, it's been a LOT of pressing situations - my Mother's passing et al.

Generally my BARK is always worse than my bite!!

Have a Good morning and weekend!!

What SHOULD NOT be involved is religion. It is unfortunate that NOTHING can be settled or resolved when this subject arises.

For the meanwhile -- I apologise to anyone who may have taken offense to anything i may have said -- was NOT meant that way.

From the Gryphon's Lair

gryphon_2005

Nov 21 2004, 07:27 AM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 20 2004, 10:51 PM)

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 20 2004, 11:36 PM)

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Don't worry Guy!! KEEP believing in what you feel is best for you!! YOU were NOT the person I was talking about -- THAT person will avail in the NEXT few entries!

Take care, Guy!!
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I thought you were talking to me... You quoted me...
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HANG IN THERE GUY! It WAS a Generalization. Look below, OK!

I was FLOODED (47 messages) from people claiming to be 'BORN AGAIN' who seemed to be offended by my words. I was very disturbed that supposed EDUCATED people could be so blinded by a faith that seems to make them emotional ZOMBIES.

No offense to you or to other posters here, and I apologise, Guy if you took my words to heart! Was NOT meant that way.

BY ALL MEANS keep up your words!!

From the dimly lit Gryphon's Lair

Stellar

Nov 21 2004, 09:31 PM

Gryphon: I'm trying to figure out why you quoted me... You're talking about "born agains" in general... but you quote me. Im not a born again...

~*DaRkDaYdReAm*~

Nov 22 2004, 12:33 AM

Hm, what an interesting topic.
I myself don't believe that god's going to send himself down with UFO's, and theirs going to be an evil microchip to sell your soul to satan and become an...evil angel thingy...but I do believe in UFO's and Aliens. As you can tell...I'm new to the boards and site. I don't believe they're little midget green men with rayguns ready to shoot anything in site, either. If anything, I think they're futuristic beings with the smart idea of VISITING the planet but not coming here. They probably sit in their spaceships and laugh about how our planets turning into mush while they're adding superhighways to the galaxy freeway off some 200,000,000 billion miles away on their planet of Zorgo.
(Okay...so that was some attempt at humor...)
Has anyone on this board really had an encounter with UFO's/Aliens? Im so sick of reading hoax stories though...

Isaac Lucado

Nov 22 2004, 04:35 AM

QUOTE

Hm, what an interesting topic.
I myself don't believe that god's going to send himself down with UFO's, and theirs going to be an evil microchip to sell your soul to satan and become an...evil angel thingy...but I do believe in UFO's and Aliens. As you can tell...I'm new to the boards and site. I don't believe they're little midget green men with rayguns ready to shoot anything in site, either. If anything, I think they're futuristic beings with the smart idea of VISITING the planet but not coming here. They probably sit in their spaceships and laugh about how our planets turning into mush while they're adding superhighways to the galaxy freeway off some 200,000,000 billion miles away on their planet of Zorgo.

You have magnificent imagination. Is your theory? mine is similar.

Except god is like: we worship space-men with raygunz, but christians
are so crazy about them like its Jesus with God and the 10 virgins that
did't really join the 70 virgins in the palace of pearls because thats a
completely different religion, buts I think that once you think god is
like a real god. Yes. I believe in god. Yes tis true. Coyote is sure god
exist.

But confusing god with alien is moronic assumption beyond ludicrous
assumptions. Yes. Because if god was alien, we would not so gullible
to worship big headed green man the poke you with metal sharp objects.
god is not alien I'm sure. But god does live up in the sky. So, Yes.
The theory remains theory. Coyote mad.

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 22 2004, 09:06 AM

QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 19 2004, 09:17 AM)

QUOTE(Chanelle_Rose @ Nov 19 2004, 11:25 AM)

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 17 2004, 08:39 PM)

/////////////////
Then I guess I am a "sinner" -- because I left The Episcopal church years ago for its blatant hypocracy and attitude toward fellow humans. Plus I STUDY ALL I can get my hands on! And I also know the Bible INSIDE AND OUT -- including the Latin Vulgate.

Is it NOT THE DEVIL who favors IGNORANCE because it is far easier to "control" the people? THEY and THEY ALONE (religious fanatics) are responsible for Inquisitions, destroyed libraries (and banned books), murderous censorship, and destruction of relics under the assumption that all things NOT of the Bible are the Devil's works? I think history shows this quite well!

WHAT YOU DO NOT know is HOW the Bible was put together -- that there were books UNCANONIZED (like the Book of Enoch - and the TWO Books of Adam and Eve) -- STILL stored in the Vatican Archives.

Open mind and common sense you listed ..... I DO NOT see it here. The ONLY thing worse than being Non-OBJECTIVE is a CLOSED MINDED where EVERYTHING MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIBLE OR IT IS EVIL.

Sad -- I see too much ignorance and blind fixations to a book that is INDEED filled with so many contradictions (I have over one hundred pages of those indexed and itemized!).

This FORUM should be and is an open forum with SHARED ideas and mutual expressions of interests. I see so many "Glassy Eyed Zombies" walking around like lost souls (as they appear to be) -- chanting the proverbial mantra of "being saved". They are the WORSE people to try to talk common sense to. Sad I see it here and think that we could do better in our exchanges. JUST MY OPINION!

ONCE AGAIN -- THE BIBLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXTRATERRESTRIALS .. NOR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The Old Testament is a PLAGERISM of the Sumerian Creation narratives. As well with the Great Flood (read the Epic of Gilgamesh). Those tablets are far earlier.

As you are also a little bit lacking in History -- try reading about the FIRST COUNCIL of NICEA and how the Emporer Constantine The First organized the (as then called) "HELIOS SCRIPTOS" - or Holy Writ. This was circa 325 AD. NOT December 25th Year one!!

There are many of the Dead Sea Scrolls hard to get. WHY -- perhaps a certain few who jealously guard the "fold" do NOT want us to see the contradictions.

TRY translating Hebrew into Greek, and then into Latin -- and then into ENGLISH!!!!
I can't go on because I will end up writing a book.

From the Gryphon's lair
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Your first mistake was with the Episcopal church! But I won't get into that. And for your information I am well aware of the dead sea scrolls and book of Enoch I write all about them in my website!

I am telling you that the Bible has everything to do with aliens, you just can't see it. You are blinded. If you don't think aliens have anything to do with the Bible, then you don't know the Bible!

Everyone just needs to take a deep breath, relax, and think before you type, and discuss this intellegently without making accusations and trying to beat up on Christians. Like I said you protest too much, makes me wonder.

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yes just ignore what everyone has been posting. ignore the facts. and just ignore the faults in you theory. and after all that you claim that we are bashing christianity and we are scared. i dont know what to say

and your website not credible at all. you are making theory's against facts. you even think man walked with dinosaurs

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No, I don't believe man walked with dinosaurs, where did you get that from?

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 22 2004, 09:08 AM

QUOTE(dreckeo @ Nov 19 2004, 03:54 PM)

you know i have notice something everything that is written by a user on this website about aliens always 99.9% of the time is always related to god Why?
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Ummm....maybe because it's the truth.

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 22 2004, 09:13 AM

QUOTE(Insight @ Nov 19 2004, 10:56 PM)

To Chanelle_Rose

STOP what you are doing! If you truely loved God, you would not want to turn others off from Him by acting in the judgemental way you are!

How dare you judge him by saying he is "freakin" dumb! We are NOT to judge. it is not our place.
Your ignorance of your own faith is the very reason why people hate christians!

I am one of like faith, but acting in this manner stirs up bitterness!

A soft answer turneth away wrath!
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How am I being judgemental? I'm just coming at them the same way they came at me. I'm not judging, I'm just offering my theory on the whole thing and they all started acting like crazy rabid dogs foaming at the mouth every time someone mentions God. LOL!

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 22 2004, 09:24 AM

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 20 2004, 01:31 AM)

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WHY, pray tell - was the Episcopal church a "mistake"??
It was a choice I made of my FREE WILL. It was also FIVE entire generations of my family. I LEFT CHRISTIANITY -- NOT the Episcopal Church alone. I marched out of that church December 1972 when I returned from Viet Nam - with FULL DRESS uniform (Gold Stripes and medals) - because the SERMON preached was Anti-war politics -- something that should NOT have been a subject for a Sunday Mass.
You are telling me that this is also NOT TRUE CHRISTIANITY - being Episcopal?
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I had Midnight Mass in the Vatican with the Pope in 1985 (just before our Carrier Group hit Libya in '86 (APRIL)). Does that betray my being Episcopal?

I walked the shores of the Sea of Galilee and walked the excavated Capaurnum -- Tiberias, Jerusalem -- and walked the Negev Desert (some on mission -- and some on soul searching). Does this make me a traitor? Bethlehem, Istanbul, Cairo -- and many places you would not even read about. Does this make me MORE IGNORANT? I have access to the Vatican Archives, and some other SACRED libraries that the likes of you would prefer to take to torch (RIGHT - protest too much!). I have an OPEN MIND and TRY to accept ANYONE's Point of view -- but would prefer NEVER to chastise anyone for their beliefs. I respect them. YOUR words stand to be the one who protests far more than you would like to admit.

Your mention of the Dead Sea Scrolls -- do you have the ACTUAL Documents with you? I also have Nag Hamadi Library which you could find here: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html

The Gnostics Scrolls, Essene Scrolls (in book form) - and various OTHER UNACCEPTED BY THE CHURCH _ BUT RELATED) publications -- ALL done by scholars .. some in the University of Bethlehem. Is GOD going to punish me for knowing TOO MUCH?
IF SO then I ask .... WHY??? You have NOT mentioned your point of view of the FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA [ http://www.piar.hu/councils/ecum01.htm ].

I protest too much - your own words ..... I have dealt with people who have chastised every decision I made because it did not go according to "GOD's" Word .. etc. etc. etc. I always "turned the cheek" and respected their point of view (EVEN Jehovah's Witnesses) - and guard THEIR RIGHT to choose their views -- consider ALL sacred to them. I NEVER FORCE MY FAITH on anyone by telling that person that because they are NOT ...... then they are comdemned to eternal fires. I hope you are not one of these people -- because THEY and THEIR LIKE have condemned people for NOT sharing their views.

I ONLY protest because you have judged me with a few simple words -- and this gives me a clue as to your CLOSED MINDED VIEW -- again your right. But I ALSO have a right to counter your view with FACTS -- and when I can they will be brought up right here, and right to the point.

I don't know you and do not judge you -- you do not know me and I expect that same respect from you. This IS friendly advice and I always heed my own advice. This site is for open views from open points of mind -- and there should be mutual respect for this.

MY MISTAKE was NOT the Episcopal Church -- it was ACCEPTING CHRISTIANITY for the terrible hypocrisy I have seen, and PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED.. Does this make me an ATHEIST (as you probably believe)? NO!! My heritage is MOHAWK [Native American if you will].Native (New York) my Father's blood runs with my own ancestors. I also saw what "BEING SAVED" has done for the ORIGINAL NATIVES of this fine country!!

I am now what you would call a NEO-PLATONIC GNOSTIC and PREFER to study any and EVERYTHING I can get my hands on - even the QURAN, Tibet Book of the Dead, Egyptian Book of the Dead -- and some other narrations that you probably never heard of. Does that make me ... IGNORANT?

I do not protest -- I accepted a point of view because I BELIEVE in sharing ideas.
BUT my saying is this: "DO NOT judge me until you have walked a mile in my moccasins!!".

But I have been to 38 countries, studied in places you won't even read about -- been through more experiences I could never even share without lengthly narration.

DO YOU accept the BOOK OF ENOCH as SACRED WORD? Or just something that GOD CHOSE to leave out? OR was it Constantine I - who judged it "not fit for Rome and it's NEW Faith"!? The NEW ROME of the East.

No -- I am not protesting -- ONLY defending my OWN Faith [which is BELIEVING IN A UNIVERSAL and OMNIPOTENT SPIRITUAL ESSENCE THAT RUNS THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE AS WE KNOW IT], thank you!!

NOW IT IS YOUR TURN! Pray tell .. WHERE in the BIBLE does it have to do with ALIENS? Verse quotes please!!!

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Okay forget about the whole Episcopal church thing, I won't argue about that. But I will say that in Genesis where it mentions the nephilim, the giants that were the offspring of fallen angels mating with human women, those fallen angels and their offspring are what people are encountering that we call aliens today. Fallen angels are supernatural beings, extraterrestrial beings that left Heaven to go out on their own and go against God.

Edit: Removed unnessecary quote - Chanelle can you please not quote 3-4 posts at a time, please only quote the post you are replying to. - Blood Angel

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 22 2004, 09:33 AM

QUOTE(gryphon_2005 @ Nov 20 2004, 07:00 PM)

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THIS TO THE WOMAN WHO SAID MY EPISCOPAL RELIGION WAS A MISTAKE
I'm STILL WAITING FOR MY ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter HOW MUCH you want to TRED upon me -- MANY AWAIT the answers to the questions YOU YOURSELF RAISED --

DID my words BASH Christianity? OR -- raise questions about ABUSE and HYPOCRACY?

GIVE US the Bible articles about UFO's .. VERBATUM (if you willl)!

And Tell your "FRIENDS" to STOP filling my E-Mails with NASTY messages!

I USUALLY answer One to one ... but as usual I get nothing back BUT ABOVE!!

Honey! TELL US about the amazing UFO's and ALIENS in the BIBLE! Tell us and NOT ATTACK the very one you attacked before.

OH YES!! I am IGNORING WHAT!? Read the 100 PLUS posts in the last seven days -- READ ALL!!! YOU have MET your match!!!@ Bring it on!!!!

UFO's IN THE BIBLE??? Your turn again? Or still -- you HAVE NOT ANSWERED!!

You TALK THE TALK -- now walk the walk!!

Peeved? You have NO IDEA!!!

BUT!!! I STILL RESPECT OPEN postings! NOT BACK DOOR INTIMIDATIONS!!!
THAT ... tells me much about CHRISTIANITY! SNEAKY as it is!!

WE WERE discussing something else?

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LOL! Okay I will repost this here, I got the other thread mixed up with this one.

The history of mankind tells us we are not alone. People wonder why God sent the flood, He did it to destroy the Giants what were the giants? The offspring of humand and fallen angels, that's why so many aliens look human like. The giants were aliens and so were a lot of the so called gods of mythologies. Those were all fallen angels and their half human offspring. God had to wipe all of that out and start over fresh with Noah & his family. There is just so much I can write about this whole thing. If you really start studying all of the ancient writings of people all over the world and all cultures you will see that they all have one thing in common, they all had experiences with some kind of other worldy beings some called them star people others called them various names, today we call them aliens, it's all one and the same thing! You should read about the Atlantis and Lumeria, The Dropa Stones, Ancient Egypt & the pyramids, The Book of Enoch and other Lost or banned books from the Bible, Ancient & Lost civilizations, this is a good link for that,Link, when you really study all of this and the UFO phenominon you can't help but realize the truth! It's all one and the same!

Now we know the Bible mentions how the fallen angels mated with human women and produced offspring and these were giants and others of various forms. This all happened before the flood of Noah. These human like people and fallen angels are what we know today to be the aliens.

Every culture in the past had it's own version or form of mythologies, these mythologies were really about aliens/fallen angels and their offspring. Those people back then worshipped those beings as gods.

Atlantis created colonies the world over. Some of these were great, others small, and more primitive, as they received a lesser influence from the Atlanteans. The Atlanteans were the "gods", or(fallen) "Angels" or "Civilizing Heroes" whom we find in essentially all traditions. They are the Nagas of India and Indonesia, the Oannés of Sumero-Babylon, the Cabeiri and Corybants or, yet, the Heroes such as Hercules, Prometheus and Cadmus of the Greeks and Romans, and so on.
Seems like this is where most of the fallen angels established their throne in the form of mythological gods, it's no wonder why God destroyed Atantis if it existed.

The Holy Mountain that we find in essentially all religions and sacred traditions concerning Paradise is indeed Mt. Atlas, the archetype of them all. We encounter the Holy Mountain under names such as Mt. Meru in the Indies, Mt. Calvary (or Golgotha) in Christianity, Mt. Qaf ("Skull" = Calvary) in Islamism, Mt. Kailasa (idem) in Shivaism, Mt. Salvat (or Calvat = "Skull") in Catharism, Mt. Olympos in Greece, etc.. all such derive directly from the Atlantean model, both in the New and the Old worlds.

This passage from the Book of Enoch describes the fall of lucifer:

Chapter 6, VI
1. And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' 3. And Semjaza, (sounds almost like satan. Satan has many names)
Who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.'

They knew going in that what they were doing was dead wrong.

. And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'(satan and his followers) . Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. . And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it.

Could this be the very same mountain as mount Atlas and the other names different people call it?

This is the same place where the fallen angels descended from Heaven to live among mankind.

Mt. Olympos, for instance, derives its name from the Greek Olmos Hippous, meaning "the Mountain of the Centaurs". But the Centaurs (Khentarfos) derive their name and their myth from the Gandharvas of India, where Mt. Meru is called "the Mountain of the Gandharvas". This fact shows the Indian origin of the myths of ancient Greece. Again, the Holy Mountain this time directly connected with an Atlas figure (Ayar Cachi) turned to stone is also found in Peru as the Huanacauri of the Incas. In fact, wherever we find the myth of the Holy Mountain of Paradise, we are able to trace it back to Mt. Meru and the Indies, that is, to Atlantis.

Atlantis was destroyed in the flood along with the rest of the aliens/fallen angels kingdoms on earth. Atlantis was mst likely the main place where their kingdom was set up and Atlantis was considered a place where advanced technology existed.

In symbolic form, the Holy Mountain is also represented as a pyramid or an obelisk, or similar structures. These include artefacts such as the pylons of Egyptian temples, the towers of the Babylonian ziggurats, the spires of the Gothic cathedrals and the Hindu gopuras and pyramidal temples. The pyramids above all the step pyramids of Egypt (Zozer's), of Mexico, of Peru and of the Far East (China, Japan) are all replicas of Mt. Meru, which is also shaped as a four-sided pyramid in Hindu traditions.

It's all very interesting.

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 22 2004, 09:57 AM

To Gryphon:

In the Book of Enoch when Enoch was taken to the heavens (what they called outer space), he described things he saw there involving living beings that belonged to the devil's kingdom . The devil & his followers are not in hell yet as in the lake of fire, that's not until after judgement and after the battle of armegeddon and the millinial reign etc.

Well, Enoch was in outer space, lucifer's kingdom is in outer space once he was kicked out of heaven.

Enoch tells of seeing lots of beautiful things connected with God's Kingdom and Heaven like the heavenly Angels and things, but he also tells of other things he saw in outer space during that journey which those things were of the devil's kingdom. Could Enoch have been seeing some of the planets and places inhabited by the devil's kingdom, "aliens"

Baruch also tells of seeing beings in outer space that were the fallen angels.

Baruch:

The First Heaven.
2 1 And he took me and led me where the firmament has been set fast, and where there was a river which no one can cross, nor any strange breeze of all those which God created. And he took me and led me to the first heaven, and showed me a door of great size. And he said to me, Let us enter 3 through it, and we entered as though borne on wings, a distance of about thirty days' journey. And he showed me within the heaven a plain ; and there were men dwelling thereon, with the faces of 4 oxen, and the horns of stags and the feet of goats, and the haunches of lambs. And I Baruch asked the angel, Make known to me, I pray thee, what is the thickness of the heaven in which we journeyed, 5 or what is its extent, or what is the plain, in order that I may also tell the sons of men? And the angel whose name is Phamael said to me: This door which thou seest is the door of heaven, and as great as is the distance from earth to heaven, so great also is its thickness; and again as great as is the distance (from North to South, so great) is the length of the plain which thou didst see. And again the angel of the powers said to me, Come, and I will show thee greater mysteries. But 6, 7 I said, I pray thee show me what are these men. And he said to me, These are they who built the tower of strife against God, and the Lord banished them.
In the Book of Enoch it says:

The Book of the Secrets of Enoch

Chapter 18, XVIII
1 The men(angels) took me on to the fifth heaven and placed me, and there I saw many and countless soldiers, called Grigori, of human appearance, and their size (was) greater than that of great giants and their faces withered, and the silence of their mouths perpetual, and their was no service on the fifth heaven, and I said to the men who were with me:
2 Wherefore are these very withered and their faces melancholy, and their mouths silent, and (wherefore) is there no service on this heaven?
3 And they said to me: These are the Grigori, who with their prince Satanail (Satan) rejected the Lord of light, and after them are those who are held in great darkness on the second heaven, and.... went down on to earth from the Lord’s throne, to the place Ermon, and broke through their vows on the shoulder of the hill Ermon and saw the daughters of men how good they are, and took to themselves wives, and befouled the earth with their deeds, who in all times of their age made lawlessness and mixing, and giants are born and marvellous big men and great enmity. 4 And therefore God judged them with great judgment, and they weep for their brethren and they will be punished on the Lord’s great day.

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 22 2004, 10:11 AM

Could the gods of Mythologies(aliens) have been the fallen angels that mated with human women of Genesis 6?

Well, let's think this through. I'll start with the facts.
1) We know that the fallen angels did mate with women according to Gen. 6
2)We know they produced offspring which became giants.
3)We know that lucifer's goal is to make himself god over humanity.

With most mythologies, they claim
1)That the gods mated with human women and produced offspring.
2) Their offspring were giants and possessed more strength and abilities than "mortals" reg humans.
3)Most religions of the world, the oldest ones, began with those mythological gods, even though now those gods have disappeared.

4)All of those mythological gods died out or went away around the same time. The flood of Noah.

Which is why no one says they have seen a mythological god lately but they have seen UFOs.

Genesis 6 says
1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [1] man forever, for he is mortal [2] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days-and also afterward-when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

"They were the heroes of old, men of renown" Sounds like he's referring to the mythological gods and thier offspring to me.

The only story in the Bible about the days of Noah before the flood is the story of the "Sons of God" taking the daughters of men.

As bad as this world is today, yet God hasn't sent any other types of destructions like the flood, the world had to be worse back then than today and it was because of the fallen angels(aliens) and mixing with humans. Plus the Bible says as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be again and we are approaching that time now with the alien phenominon.

Hotoke

Nov 22 2004, 12:03 PM

stop quoting the bible for me it is as real as the lord of the rings. show some proof for you sayings and stop avoiding questions

smallpackage

Nov 22 2004, 02:07 PM

QUOTE(Gods_Soldier @ Oct 15 2004, 06:21 PM)

I'am a new user who has just signed up... i am here to tell you the truth about aliens fo you see aliens ARE fallen angels form the Most High God (Whos is Yahweh hebrew name for The Lord)

If you do ever come in contact with an alien all you have to do is pray to the Most High God. Make sure you guys pray at night and ask God to forgive your sins becuase aliens can only get to you by not having enough faith in Yahweh.

I will post more about the truth in this world...

Dont be scared...Understand.

I forgot to mention what fallen Angels were...sorry..well they are angels that rebelled against God... And becuase of Gods mighty power he Always wins.. he threw the "aliens" out of heaven and made the look like the ugly and the damned...now aliens DO live in earth an planet Rhab theses aliens are now following lucifer...satan.

Please you must remember that God WILL NOT come declaring peace to the world and he WILL NOT come in a bunch of Ufo's.

Becuase the second time he come he will be a "Soldier and a Judger" he does not need ufo's to show his pwer for he will open the heavens and show the whole world that he truly exists.
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Your going to post on these forums and tell us that aliens are dirty angels (like cops, you know) that go after people who don't believe in the oh mighty one? Now, wouldn't you think that because you DO believe in him, they would come after you? If they hate god, they'd want you to hate him. Not love him then attack you.

Not to go against your beliefs, but you really think were the only ones in the universe? You have the nerve to believe that out of trillions x trillions x trillions of planets and solar systems out there, they we are the only intelligent ones that have the ability of reason?

Stellar

Nov 22 2004, 03:47 PM

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Ummm....maybe because it's the truth.

Umm... no its not, its what you *believe* is the truth.

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How am I being judgemental? I'm just coming at them the same way they came at me. I'm not judging, I'm just offering my theory on the whole thing and they all started acting like crazy rabid dogs foaming at the mouth every time someone mentions God. LOL!

Maybe by your post that starts a bit like "LOL! Sounds like another unbeliever blah blah blah" ?

Listen, I dont appreciate people storming in here and telling me that their religion is the truth and is proven and making it sound like people who dont believe are stupid and just cant accept it...

the master theologian

Nov 22 2004, 04:42 PM

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stop quoting the bible for me it is as real as the lord of the rings. show some proof for you sayings and stop avoiding questions

One word: Endurance
We should all treat christians with respect. Even those who think
that God rides in a UFO. Therefore, just endure our comments.

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Ummm....maybe because it's the truth.

Exactly. Maybe it is. Infact, its more than a maybe.
Its has to be the truth. But I think that some people have
aliens confused with God. Think of it this way:

God/UFO

Alien/planet

maybe the two have nothing to do with each other,
but maybe they do. Alien/UFO????
I doubt that.

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 22 2004, 08:24 PM

QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 22 2004, 07:03 AM)

stop quoting the bible for me it is as real as the lord of the rings. show some proof for you sayings and stop avoiding questions
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I have shown you proof, if you can't see it, too bad. Someone asked me how or why I believe what I believe and I am showing where I get my knowlege and theory from. There is enough evidence to point to aliens being fallen angels, more proof than there is to support them as just being benevolent creatures with nothing to do with God. If you're looking for the smoking gun type irrefutable proof, there never will be one, but most things we have no irrefutable proof of, (Not to mention the government's coverups of anything that is irrefutable proof like the Roswell case) I mean can you really prove we are not all living in a dream world like the matrix hooked up to machines? LOL!

You show me irrefutable proof that aliens are not the fallen angels of the Bible and are just benevolent beings with nothing to do with God, and don't try to fall back on that "I don't believe in aliens" thing either.

There is enough evidence throughout history from the Bible as well as other suorces to support my theory of what aliens are.

Chanelle_Rose

Nov 22 2004, 08:30 PM

QUOTE(Stellar @ Nov 22 2004, 10:47 AM)

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Ummm....maybe because it's the truth.

Umm... no its not, its what you *believe* is the truth.

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How am I being judgemental? I'm just coming at them the same way they came at me. I'm not judging, I'm just offering my theory on the whole thing and they all started acting like crazy rabid dogs foaming at the mouth every time someone mentions God. LOL!

Maybe by your post that starts a bit like "LOL! Sounds like another unbeliever blah blah blah" ?

Listen, I dont appreciate people storming in here and telling me that their religion is the truth and is proven and making it sound like people who dont believe are stupid and just cant accept it...
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You have me mixed up with someone else, I never siad that and that's not what I'm doing. Everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe, just don't get all crazy when I offer what I believe. It's like I have a right to discuss what I believe as long as it has nothing to do with God.

I never harassed or emailed anyone who didn't believe the same as I do, I don't know who those people are that were emailing and PMing Gryphon, but it wasn't me.

Hotoke

Nov 22 2004, 08:36 PM

QUOTE(Chanelle_Rose @ Nov 23 2004, 12:54 AM)

QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 22 2004, 07:03 AM)

stop quoting the bible for me it is as real as the lord of the rings. show some proof for you sayings and stop avoiding questions
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I have shown you proof, if you can't see it, too bad. Someone asked me how or why I believe what I believe and I am showing where I get my knowlege and theory from. There is enough evidence to point to aliens being fallen angels, more proof than there is to support them as just being benevolent creatures with nothing to do with God. If you're looking for the smoking gun type irrefutable proof, there never will be one, but most things we have no irrefutable proof of, (Not to mention the government's coverups of anything that is irrefutable proof like the Roswell case) I mean can you really prove we are not all living in a dream world like the matrix hooked up to machines? LOL!

You show me irrefutable proof that aliens are not the fallen angels of the Bible and are just benevolent beings with nothing to do with God, and don't try to fall back on that "I don't believe in aliens" thing either.

There is enough evidence throughout history from the Bible as well as other suorces to support my theory of what aliens are.

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Zecharia Sitchin, along with Erich von Däniken and Immanuel Velikovsky, make up the holy trinity of pseudohistorians. Each begins with the assumption that ancient myths are not myths but historical and scientific texts. Sitchin's claim to fame is announcing that he alone correctly reads ancient Sumerian clay tablets. All other scholars have misread these tablets which, according to Sitchin, reveal that gods from another planet (Niburu, which orbits our Sun every 3,600 years) arrived on Earth some 450,000 years ago and created humans by genetic engineering of female apes. Niburu orbits beyond Pluto and is heated from within by radioactive decay, according to Sitchin. No other scientist has discovered that these descendents of gods blew themselves up with nuclear weapons some 4,000 years ago. Sitchin alone can look at a Sumerian tablet and see that it depicts a man being subjected to radiation. He alone knows how to correctly translate ancient terms allowing him to discover such things as that the ancients made rockets. Yet, he doesn't seem to know that the seasons are caused by the earth's tilt, not by its distance from the sun.

About 35,000 years ago, the Cro-Magnon man took over the Earth from the Neanderthal man. The Anunnaki Elite murdered the entire Neanderthal population after they had finished using the Neanderthals as specimens for genetic experiments. Homo sapiens were the result of the second wave of genetic engineering. This second wave allowed the Homo sapiens to procreate with the civilian Anunnaki

the god that created us is enki. want to know about him google it. the bible was just destroyed by this theory. this is more believable then the bible because the bible is based on the sumerian writings only the bible was modified for humans to be more credible. want proof? i don't have any just like chanelle_rose and godsoldier.

Hotoke

Nov 22 2004, 08:53 PM

QUOTE(Chanelle_Rose @ Nov 23 2004, 12:54 AM)

QUOTE(Hotoke @ Nov 22 2004, 07:03 AM)

stop quoting the bible for me it is as real as the lord of the rings. show some proof for you sayings and stop avoiding questions
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I have shown you proof, if you can't see it, too bad. Someone asked me how or why I believe what I believe and I am showing where I get my knowlege and theory from. There is enough evidence to point to aliens being fallen angels, more proof than there is to support them as just being benevolent creatures with nothing to do with God. If you're looking for the smoking gun type irrefutable proof, there never will be one, but most things we have no irrefutable proof of, (Not to mention the government's coverups of anything that is irrefutable proof like the Roswell case) I mean can you really prove we are not all living in a dream world like the matrix hooked up to machines? LOL!

You show me irrefutable proof that aliens are not the fallen angels of the Bible and are just benevolent beings with nothing to do with God, and don't try to fall back on that "I don't believe in aliens" thing either.

There is enough evidence throughout history from the Bible as well as other suorces to support my theory of what aliens are.

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you call that proof. i can say the same thing about charlie and the chocolate factory