LucidElement
Oct 17 2004, 08:10 AM
u see jesus as a prophet, how he can turn one loaf of bread into a lot of slices to feed all the apostles ect... how he poors wine and it never hits the bottom of the glass. But why is there no prophets now? people say its a miracle sure he was the son of god but im using that as an example... where have the prophets gone it seems that they were just in the early ages of time!!!
CommieX
Oct 17 2004, 06:18 PM
There are plenty of prophets now days. Society tends to put the on medication or lock them up before they can get the word out. Or, there's that whole Waco, Texas debacle...
Independent1
Oct 17 2004, 06:44 PM
QUOTE(LucidElement @ Oct 17 2004, 04:10 AM)
u see jesus as a prophet, how he can turn one loaf of bread into a lot of slices to feed all the apostles ect... how he poors wine and it never hits the bottom of the glass. But why is there no prophets now? people say its a miracle sure he was the son of god but im using that as an example... where have the prophets gone it seems that they were just in the early ages of time!!!
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Actually, while Jesus was called a prophet, he wasn't one. He was the son of God, and part of the triune God.
As far as where the prophets have gone, maybe we are not meant to know. Most denominations have people who serve as prophets, whether they go by that title or not, by setting out a vision for the church, but they may not be true prophets.
zephyr
Oct 17 2004, 06:54 PM
I am not an expert on the matter, but I have always been told that Mohammad was the last of them and he died 1400 years ago. So, voila, no use in looking for one if you ask me!
Joe013
Oct 17 2004, 07:01 PM
it's a shame to say that if there has been prophets in this day and age, they have been labeled mentally crazy and have been locked up or put in a psycho ward, thinka bout it. if you saw a homeless guy on the street eylling "god sent me!" what would you think? "crazy guy"
crazytomi
Oct 17 2004, 07:02 PM
QUOTE(Independent1 @ Oct 17 2004, 02:44 PM)
QUOTE(LucidElement @ Oct 17 2004, 04:10 AM)
u see jesus as a prophet, how he can turn one loaf of bread into a lot of slices to feed all the apostles ect... how he poors wine and it never hits the bottom of the glass. But why is there no prophets now? people say its a miracle sure he was the son of god but im using that as an example... where have the prophets gone it seems that they were just in the early ages of time!!!
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Actually, while Jesus was called a prophet, he wasn't one. He was the son of God, and part of the triune God.
As far as where the prophets have gone, maybe we are not meant to know. Most denominations have people who serve as prophets, whether they go by that title or not, by setting out a vision for the church, but they may not be true prophets.
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i agree..of course im a Christian so..
Independent1
Oct 17 2004, 07:03 PM
QUOTE(zephyr @ Oct 17 2004, 02:54 PM)
I am not an expert on the matter, but I have always been told that Mohammad was the last of them and he died 1400 years ago. So, voila, no use in looking for one if you ask me!
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Mohammad wa sonly a prophet if you are Muslim.
chico del nacho
Oct 17 2004, 07:05 PM
yeah, waco...filled with prophets
riotboy555
Oct 17 2004, 07:26 PM
wait, what about Waco, Texas?
LucidElement
Oct 17 2004, 09:58 PM
yeah but what im, sayin is there is no more prophets.. why is that? they all exsisted back when. but none know! its just weird to think about..
Fluffybunny
Oct 17 2004, 10:06 PM
Prophets only seem to be prophets long after the fact when they are no longer around to be scrutinized. Without scrutiny there would be a boatload of televangelists looking for prophet(Profit status?) status, fortunately we can look at them not and say that they are full of it and dismiss them.
Thinks that happened 20 centuries ago we cannot look into with any degree of accuracy. There are very few documents of the time and what we do have is questionable, there is no way to know for sure what exactly happened, and whether a prophet was actually a prophet or just edited to be one after the fact.
Much like a game of Telephone; things change over time. Facts are only facts when they can be verified independently and that is not the case with most prophets.
Who knows what they were or weren't...we will never know for sure.
Independent1
Oct 18 2004, 03:03 AM
QUOTE(Fluffybunny @ Oct 17 2004, 06:06 PM)
Prophets only seem to be prophets long after the fact when they are no longer around to be scrutinized. Without scrutiny there would be a boatload of televangelists looking for prophet(Profit status?) status, fortunately we can look at them not and say that they are full of it and dismiss them.
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I was just thinking about this some more, and realized that our church considers Martin Luther King Jr. to have been a prophet.
If you think about it, that makes a lot fo sense. He put forward a dream of all men and women being equal, an end to racism.
Celumnaz
Oct 18 2004, 03:31 AM
I think a couple things heh...
First, I think all christians are prophets, or have that ability.
Second, I don't think there will be any 'true' prophets from 'Jesus's time' until the 'end times' where there will be only 2 that show up.
But that's just my opinion/belief. Partially.
GCOW
Oct 18 2004, 08:59 AM
Jesus never ever said he was the son of god...there is no reference to it anywehre...thas jsut what people want to belive..he was jsut a well educated man..whatever everyones entilted to their own thoughts.... wish i lived in a facist society...
zephyr
Oct 18 2004, 09:47 AM
QUOTE(Independent1 @ Oct 18 2004, 12:33 AM)
QUOTE(zephyr @ Oct 17 2004, 02:54 PM)
I am not an expert on the matter, but I have always been told that Mohammad was the last of them and he died 1400 years ago. So, voila, no use in looking for one if you ask me!
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Mohammad wa sonly a prophet if you are Muslim.
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A prophet gets his status from god and not from people! If you were carrying a message from me to someone else, you would still be my messanger even if nobody accepted you as such! Therefore a prophet is a prophet even if he doesnt have any followers and nobody believes him to be one
beowulf
Oct 18 2004, 12:27 PM
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Mohammad wa sonly a prophet if you are Muslim.
Jesus is only a prophet or Son of God if you are Xian!
Amos, Isiah, Moses, etc are prophets only if your are a follower of one of Abraham's Three Bloody Children!
Prophets are being born every day and are being accepted by followers every day....Just because you don't accept them doesn't make them any less prophets to their followers or any less valid than your prophets! The problem with minds clouded by religion is that they tend to close out anything (no matter how true) that does not agree with their belief system! As I have said before Religion is dangerous to small animals, children.
LucidElement
Oct 18 2004, 07:24 PM
but i guess all the prophets are gone... today there r known.. there r no seers of the future there is nobody who can turn one loaf of bread into a million and keep feeding the poor.. or a prophet who can poor wine or water and it just keeps poring.. there is noone like that!
beowulf
Oct 18 2004, 07:32 PM
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there r no seers of the future there is nobody who can turn one loaf of bread into a million and keep feeding the poor.. or a prophet who can poor wine or water and it just keeps poring.. there is noone like that!
and the NT and mythology to the contrary, there never has been!
VampChilde18
Oct 18 2004, 07:36 PM
What about potatoes? What? Profits not Potatoes? Well you can make a profit on potapoes if you do it right.
Diebytheflyguy
Oct 18 2004, 07:36 PM
QUOTE(LucidElement @ Oct 18 2004, 03:24 PM)
but i guess all the prophets are gone... today there r known.. there r no seers of the future there is nobody who can turn one loaf of bread into a million and keep feeding the poor.. or a prophet who can poor wine or water and it just keeps poring.. there is noone like that!
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These so called religious prophets were around because they were starting beliefs for others to follow. Mohammed and Jesus (etc) were prophets who rounded up followers to their religion. Today there are no newly formed religions, and therefore there is less focus and publicity on prophets. They are still around, but are low key, unknown and home- based.
Edit: You may also want to ask yourself how impressionable people were then, and compare it to today.
Diebytheflyguy
Oct 18 2004, 07:55 PM
QUOTE(LucidElement @ Oct 18 2004, 03:24 PM)
but i guess all the prophets are gone... today there r known.. there r no seers of the future there is nobody who can turn one loaf of bread into a million and keep feeding the poor.. or a prophet who can poor wine or water and it just keeps poring.. there is noone like that!
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Maybe none of this actually happened, perhaps it is impossible for others to repeat. You have to think of what they "did" back then and compare it to a relevant situation today. We are far more advanced than Jesus at his time. And maybe the modern form of Jesus' healing is our modern medicine?
I believe the loaves of bread, the water to wine, and all other "miracles" preformed by Jesus were no more than fables and tales similar to
"David And Goliath" or
"Jack And The Bean Stock" (etc). There question isn't, why does it not happen today,
but was it even possible? Truly, if we can not duplicate the miracles of Jesus today, it could never be done in the first place.
psicohunter
Oct 18 2004, 11:27 PM
some are still hear you just don't hear about them much and some are on this web site like me
Diebytheflyguy
Oct 18 2004, 11:31 PM
QUOTE(psicohunter @ Oct 18 2004, 07:27 PM)
some are still hear you just don't hear about them much and some are on this web site like me
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Maybe if you don't hear of them, It means they aren't that good?
saint seiya
Oct 18 2004, 11:40 PM
well I have see of some people who can ''miracles'' but people say that is a rip off or is some kind of special efect so you just stop hearing about them.Like there was this kid that could actually cure people(you know like make the blind see again) that kind of stuff, but people just don't believe in that stuff no more and they let it go.
LucidElement
Oct 19 2004, 08:38 AM
lol exactly, you dont hear about them there nothing fancy.. cmon guys!!! you all know what i mean....!!!
Diebytheflyguy
Oct 19 2004, 05:10 PM
What kind of reply would you want to hear? "Ok, yes, your right, they aren't heard of"
mandjs
Sep 16 2005, 10:25 PM
My husband and I have began wondering where are the prophets? It seems that if someone prophesied and event that came to pass it would be publicized.
GhostHunter79
Sep 16 2005, 10:29 PM
I think the goverment took them all
TraJikMaJik
Sep 16 2005, 11:32 PM
WTF!!?!?!? Havent you all ever watched the church channels on sunday?!?! I SEE LIKE 3000 MIRACLES A WEEK!!
"THIS MAN CAME HERE UNABLE TO WALK" AND THEN "THIS MAN CAN DANCE!!! " As the man stands up and runs around the stage dancing.. Not to mention usually they dont speak english and dont know wtf is going on.. Except for when the guys touches their head and they fall to the ground haha.. You whacky christians!!
Yelekiah
Sep 16 2005, 11:36 PM
Are you trying to say that these miracle-workers are prophets?
(Just curious)
OMG people, this thread is old as dirt.
eveningsky339
Sep 17 2005, 12:36 AM
This thread is fairly old. I it when people bring up old threads. Just start a freakin new one.
sports_stud
Apr 7 2006, 09:45 PM
QUOTE(LucidElement @ Oct 17 2004, 02:10 AM) [snapback]311754[/snapback]
u see jesus as a prophet, how he can turn one loaf of bread into a lot of slices to feed all the apostles ect... how he poors wine and it never hits the bottom of the glass. But why is there no prophets now? people say its a miracle sure he was the son of god but im using that as an example... where have the prophets gone it seems that they were just in the early ages of time!!!
There are prophets today. A prophet is a messenger from God who gets direction, revelations, warning etc. from God. If God loved us all the same as the Bible teaches wouldn't it make sense that he would give us all a Prophet. A Prophet also has all the keys of the Priesthood (power and authority of God) this was given to the apostles in the bible when Jesus laid his hands on his head. Well The Church Of jesus Christ of Latterday Saints has this prophet that has the power and authority of God. There was a great apostasy after the death of Jesus Christ. As Christianity was corrupted and we lost the authority of God when when the last apostle died. But in the bible it prophesies of a restoration about this coming forth. It did in the Americas to a young man by the name of Joseph Smith. He found the Book of Mormon another Testament of Jesus Christ relating the stories of teh people in the Americas mainly the Nephites and the Lamanites. He was then given the aaronic priesthood (the lesser priesthood) by john the baptist. Then he was later given the melchezidek priesthood by Peter, James and John (from the bible not the beatles). He eventually set up and organized Christ's church in these the latter days. Joseph Smith is obviously not alive any more, so in the LDS church there has been a line of prophets called of God. The current prophet is Gordon B. Hinckley.
Gall
Apr 9 2006, 04:27 PM
this isnt realy my area of expertice but i do have sum ideas like anything.

people believe that prophets are sent from god to spread the word. im not to sure myself, but i do think that like jesus being i commoner, not royalty or anything special, just like everybody else. i believe that everybody is a prophet with there own special message, everybody has a little or bog meaning in life, and when that meaning is complete there meaning in life is finished so they die. but in sum cases i believe that sum people have to die for there message to be given out. if you understand what i mean.
on another note - people always ask for the meaning of life - i say that every person has there own meaning, and like my other belief when they discover that meaning and carry it out they have no more job to do. they die, pm me if you agree.
Bella-Angelique
Apr 9 2006, 04:36 PM
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I was just thinking about this some more, and realized that our church considers Martin Luther King Jr. to have been a prophet.
If you think about it, that makes a lot fo sense. He put forward a dream of all men and women being equal, an end to racism.
True. The "I Have a Dream" speech was about the future, not the present or the past, and a prophet fortells future events.
Bella-Angelique
Apr 9 2006, 04:39 PM
QUOTE(eveningsky339 @ Sep 16 2005, 08:36 PM) [snapback]847926[/snapback]
This thread is fairly old. I it when people bring up old threads. Just start a freakin new one.
I have no idea which to do. Some say to look for old threads to add to and some like you want them started new and fresh.
angrycrustacean
Apr 9 2006, 05:02 PM
Both the Baha'i and Mormon faiths believe that prophets are still appearing, although the Mormon definition of a prophet is questionable in my opinion.
Gall
Apr 9 2006, 07:36 PM
QUOTE(Gall @ Apr 9 2006, 04:27 PM) [snapback]1140185[/snapback]
this isnt realy my area of expertice but i do have sum ideas like anything.

people believe that prophets are sent from god to spread the word. im not to sure myself, but i do think that like jesus being i commoner, not royalty or anything special, just like everybody else. i believe that everybody is a prophet with there own special message, everybody has a little or bog meaning in life, and when that meaning is complete there meaning in life is finished so they die. but in sum cases i believe that sum people have to die for there message to be given out. if you understand what i mean.
on another note - people always ask for the meaning of life - i say that every person has there own meaning, and like my other belief when they discover that meaning and carry it out they have no more job to do. they die, pm me if you agree.
who agrees with me?
AtlantisRises
Apr 9 2006, 11:46 PM
The reason no prophets are accepted today is because people are far less gullible then they were 2000 years ago. So nowadays conmen realise it is better to make a quick buck then to try and creat a new religion.... oops did i say conmen ;-)
angrycrustacean
Apr 10 2006, 12:50 AM
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The reason no prophets are accepted today is because people are far less gullible then they were 2000 years ago. So nowadays conmen realise it is better to make a quick buck then to try and creat a new religion.... oops did i say conmen ;-)
Scientology is a recent religion, and that doesn't stop people from buying into it.
AtlantisRises
Apr 10 2006, 03:21 AM
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Scientology is a recent religion, and that doesn't stop people from buying into it.
perhaps some people are still quite gullible. But it is not really working to the same effect. and there is far less publicity. Though one mordern day "prophet" certainly recieved plenty of publicity. Charlie Manson. lets look at the facts
Believed he was the tool of god.... check
Inspired others into extreme acts of violence to show there faith.... Check
Was persecuted by those who couldn't understand him. ie the police.... check
The prophet of the 20th century is Charlie Manson and as was mentioned earlier he is locked up and is considered crazy by many people.
Kaknelson
Apr 10 2006, 05:15 AM
The prophets are here, and young, they will arise with time.
riotboy555
Apr 10 2006, 05:27 AM
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There are plenty of prophets now days. Society tends to put the on medication or lock them up before they can get the word out. Or, there's that whole Waco, Texas debacle...
This is the truth.
Prophet
Apr 10 2006, 06:02 AM
Fear no evil, for I am here.
Gall
Apr 10 2006, 12:06 PM
QUOTE(Gall @ Apr 9 2006, 04:27 PM) [snapback]1140185[/snapback]
this isnt realy my area of expertice but i do have sum ideas like anything.

people believe that prophets are sent from god to spread the word. im not to sure myself, but i do think that like jesus being i commoner, not royalty or anything special, just like everybody else. i believe that everybody is a prophet with there own special message, everybody has a little or bog meaning in life, and when that meaning is complete there meaning in life is finished so they die. but in sum cases i believe that sum people have to die for there message to be given out. if you understand what i mean.
on another note - people always ask for the meaning of life - i say that every person has there own meaning, and like my other belief when they discover that meaning and carry it out they have no more job to do. they die, pm me if you agree.
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