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_CHIN_
Would you believe me if I told you of the cure for cancer and that the cure comes from God????

Would you believe me if I told you that this same cure also cures heart disease, arthritis, hepatitis C, and many other so called 'incurable diseases' and crippling fatal illnesses?

Dancing_Dumplings
prove it and maybe ill believe you. have to back up what you say with hard facts. hey look! i can actually retain things from class grin2.gif
Stellar
QUOTE(_CHIN_ @ Oct 18 2004, 11:29 PM)
Would you believe me if I told you of the cure for cancer and that the cure comes from God????


From God? I wouldnt believe you, seeing as how people have a tendancy to attribute things to God even when theres no clear relation... But go ahead and show me why and how it comes from God and I'll see...

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Would you believe me if I told you that this same cure also cures heart disease, arthritis, hepatitis C, and many other so called 'incurable diseases' and crippling fatal illnesses?
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Sure, I'd believe its possible, if it worked a certain way I guess. I'd be more interested in seeing how it cures it and the rest though....
LucidElement
i believe you.. i know there have been people who have had miracles and just wake up the next mornign or in the middle of the night perfectly cure, and noone knows any explanation of how it happened... so im sure God plays a HUGE roll in it... my theory is if you work with God he works with you..
BurnSide
Urr.. well.. if you even BELIEVE in god in the first place, doesn't EVERYTHING come from god, and therefore what you're saying is pretty useless and redundant no?

And if it does come from god, that would mean that god is withholding the cure because he WANTS cancer patients to suffer horribly and die.
Well, what a lovely god you have. thumbsup.gif
psicohunter
no just self presravenice
BurnSide
presravenice???


Preservance?
Afraid2Look
I def. want to hear this....

My mother inlaw died of cancer and she prayed every night and day.. please tell me about this..
Stellar
I bet you he's gonna be reluctant to tell us now, Afraid2Look, seeing as how his cure would most likely be "Believe and pray to the christian God."

And damn, I had a good one ready!
the master theologian
I am curious how CHIN wants to proove the power of healing to us.
Maybe a befor/after picture of a man who had cancer would do. cat.gif
Universal Absurdity
*Moved to correct forum*

There are many conspiracy theories about natural cures for all the above mentioned diseases, and there are pleanty reasons that the powers that be would'nt want these cures to go public. Mainly money.

As for god curing diseases, You really have to define what god you're talking about. There are some mean wrathful gods, some kind, some are both.
Then there are other definitions of god, omnipotent, omnipresent, both..
Or an actual being,

then there's my idea, that i am my own god, in which case i would not put it past me that i could find cures to all these diseases, given enough study and time.
favored tootsie
Yes I do believe it . There is a book with all natural cures . I do not think many people know about it yet or maybe they do ? but if the Drs told us about it why would they need us ? blink.gif


favored tootsie
Stellar
I find that a lot of people dont exactly know where medicin comes from...
Naveed
QUOTE(_CHIN_ @ Oct 18 2004, 11:29 PM)
Would you believe me if I told you of the cure for cancer and that the cure comes from God????

Would you believe me if I told you that this same cure also cures heart disease, arthritis, hepatitis C, and many other so called 'incurable diseases' and crippling fatal illnesses?
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How is this hidden from the world when almost everyone knows about Christianity (unless you live somewhere it's repressed). It's not like there is a conspiracy to keep it from the masses. If anything theres a conspiracy to force it to the masses. People just choose to accept it or not.
BurnSide
QUOTE(Stellar @ Oct 19 2004, 03:01 PM)
I find that a lot of people dont exactly know where medicin comes from...
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That's because they're told everything comes from god, so they don't need to learn how it is actually created.
jpalz
If that's so, how come there are Christians who know that everything comes from God and still want to know where medicine came from and become doctors? The fact that you believe doesn't exclude from learning how the world works



My mom is a nurse too, so she had to study a little bit of medicine (to take care of the ill people). And she's Christian too.
BurnSide
It was just a generalisation argument, obviously it does not apply to everyone.
_CHIN_
Wow, lots of replies... Some of you seem to have already touched on what I'm about to tell you. Very few of you may already know of the cure for cancer....


The cure is what I call "The Elixir of Life." The Elixir of Life is not 5000 miles away on some unreachable mountain top, or in the amazon rainforest, it is at your local grocery store.......................

Let me explain...

The cure for cancer and almost every single disease and illness, possibly even HIV is cured with vegetables and fruit.....

I cured my Mom and Dad of hepatitis C using this method.... I also cured a 5-year old boy of Rheumatoid arthritis....

They did not eat the vegetables and fruit, but they drank it after it was turned into juice with a juiceman machine.... Which is why I call it The Elixir of Life.

The Elixir is not a one time thing, but a daily thing until the virus, disease, illness is completely gone, or until an anti-body is formed..... Once one starts though, they should do it for the rest of their lives.

For all of you wanting a scientific explanation, there is one, but I just don't know it.... I used beets for curing my Mom and Dad of hep-C because beets are known in the scientific community to heal the liver and damaged tissue in the liver. So it wasn't much more of a leap of faith to believe that beets would cure hepatitis C.... which is a liver disease.... I also used other veggies known to heal the liver such as carrots....

Three days after we got a phone call from the doctors saying my Mom and Dad now had the anti-body for hep-C..... my mom bumped into a woman at Her place of work. This woman has a Son that was suffering in terrible pain from Rheumatoid arthritis, She was crying on my mom's shoulder. My Mom, (now starting to believe what I had been telling her all this time about juices) asked me what to do. I prescribed some juices for Him. I knew that pineapple is useful for healing joints and damaged nerve tissue, and arthritis is a disease of the joints, etc. So I believed that the pineapple may help the boy.

To our astonishment the boy is completely cured of Rheumatoid arthritis, and it happened only 2 days after His Mom and Dad started making juices for him. He is fine now, it's been about 3 weeks, no pain whatsoever, and no trace of arthritis. When they went to the doctor, the doctor couldn't believe his eyes, and did not believe the boy was cured using vegetable and fruit juices from plants found at the grocery store.....

The drugs they had the 5 year old kid on were killing him. The drugs were so strong, they were making him sh** blood...........

NO MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that a miracle or not? To me it is a miracle. To take away the pain and suffering of a 5 year old kid.............. which nobody could do...

That kid will grow up strong, free from arthritis and the pain and disfigurement that accompany it, and will have the strongest bones and joints on his whole street......






This is not proof for anyone of a cure, only if you believe me, which is why I asked that seemingly stupid question... I have told people of this cure, and they do not believe me. It seems many people are brainwashed by some evil force into thinking the only way to heal people is to harm them with drugs, and scalpels, radiation, interferon, etc.

I refuse to do what the world wants me to do concerning these things. There is always a better way.



I say that the cure comes from God even though the cure comes from the soil, water, air, the Sun and the Earth itself. Surely, everything originally came from God, even plants.

In the Bible it is written that mankind used to eat only plants, and that man was a complete herbivore. Back then there would have been no diseases.......

Even in the beginning of the Bible, there is seemingly a hint that we should be eating green plants now as we did in the beginning????


The knowledge of this cure came to me from God. Why? How?

Well...... in the Spirit of Jesus Christ I believed that it was possible to heal my mom and dad of hep-c without needles, interferon or any 'help' from a doctor... I believed that however He will, God will answer my Prayers to heal my parents. I knew that I could not sit idly and wait for God to heal my mom and dad. But "seek and ye shall find" is my attitude.... It is my Father in Heaven, and my King of this World, Jesus Christ who has inspired me to find this cure and to share it with whomever I choose.

Finding this cure required faith in God, as I had to believe that the juice would work on my Mom and Dad and the 5 year old boy. Without that belief, there is no hope.... as I would have decided that it wasn't going to work.....

Even while making juices for my mom and dad I would Pray to God.... believing the drink would heal them.... never knowing for sure, but using faith in God as motivation.

God and Jesus Christ have helped me get the cure by inspiring me to have faith in myself and others... and they do help me to overcome doubt.

I have more to say, but I think I wrote enough for now. I have explained the cure for all diseases, though it will require you to believe what I'm saying, or to go and do your own study and experimentation. As I'm sure there will even be few of you who have loved ones with illnesses that you now have the power to heal.

There is no special recipe of juices for diseases either, though it does help to get specific and use things most helpful for the afflicted area. (ie apples, ginger root and carrots for the heart.)

Though to override that and heal everything.... you'd just juice a variety of vegetables found at your grocery store and possibly in your own garden.

For those with ill loved ones, take this and never let it go, and make it your own.


Matthew.
aquatus1
Wow. The exact same thing that we heard not ten years ago.
BurnSide
And 20 years ago. And 30 years ago.
_CHIN_
Then why..... if you get cancer, will you get radiation treatment? Or some other harmful treatment that makes your hair fall out, etc.?

If you've known of it for 10 or 30 years already, then why are people still being murdered with drugs to 'cure' diseases and illnesses?

A doctor will not prescribe pineapple for your arthritis, but pills that don't work, kill you, and make you sh** blood..... even if you are 5 years old.

Why don't doctors and the medical establishment use this cure to save millions of people every day that suffer terribly and die from illnesses that could be cured easily???????????

I know lots of people that have died from hep-C, and lots that have died after interferon treatment. Sure there is some success, but overall, more harm is done than good.

So why don't doctors prescribe beets to people with hepatitis C? Alot of it has to do with money, but more of it has to do with nobody knowing about the cure.....

Nearly every single person reading this didn't know that cancer can be cured with vegetable juices and the same for hepatitis C, cancer, heart disease, tumors, cysts, arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, etc.

Whoever knows of the cure doesn't tell anybody, otherwise there would be no more suffering from disease...... and the medical establishment and scientific community would be pushing vegetables and juice machines instead of harmful pills and drugs.

There are billions of people that don't know how to cure cancer without radiation, etc. You do though......
BurnSide
Because it isn't a scientifically accepted cure.
aquatus1
Because for every one person that is saved by the power of fruit, a thousand others die. The odds are much better with the drugs, despite your hair falling out.
Stellar
Hey, did you know that candies are also helping to cure stuff too! There IS something called a placebo....
BurnSide
Careful, Potatoes have been known to be a factor in causing cancer though!

Everything effects you one way or another.
Stellar
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Oct 20 2004, 03:57 AM)
Careful, Potatoes have been known to be a factor in causing cancer though!

Everything effects you one way or another.
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The thing about fruits and vegetables isnt that they fight the illness, its that they can also help the body become stronger. Its up to the body to fight the illness. Carrots help your eyes I've heard, but that doesnt mean that if you start eating them when you start developping cataracts, the carrots themselves will fight the cataracts...
BurnSide
Quite simple really. Vitamins and minerals are needed for a healthy body, and a healthy body is less likely to develop life threatening illnesses.
Fluffybunny
Much like in the Harry Potter books, I find that chocolate fixes everything...
BurnSide
I'm more of a chicken soup fiend myself.
Stellar
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Oct 20 2004, 04:01 AM)
Quite simple really. Vitamins and minerals are needed for a healthy body, and a healthy body is less likely to develop life threatening illnesses.
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Exactly. Its not a cure at all, it just helps the body. Hell, you should be eating these WITH the medicin they give you, not instead of the medicin you get.
_CHIN_
I don't see why it isn't a scientifically accepted cure, as even I know that the healing effects of vegetables and plants on ANY living human body can be explained perfectly in a scientific way.

Some doctors know that cabbage juice heals ulcers for example........

And this cure I'm talking about doesn't cure just a few people out of many, but anybody that uses it.

It doesn't matter who has ulcers, whether you're the queen or a bum on the street it doesn't matter..... cabbage juice will get rid of them. Even if they are huge and bleeding inside of your stomach. The ulcer will get smaller and smaller to eventually completely go away and the scar tissue from it will get fixed by the cabbage juice and the other juices in your body that the vegetable juice makes work.

The vegetables and natural plants form the body into the way it should be, which is without disease....

So for someone with cancer, it doesn't matter who they are, vegetables and fruit and healthy edible plants will heal them of cancer.

In order for this to work it must be done daily.... You can't have one juice or even 10 and expect to be healed. It may take up to 3 months or even a year before someone is completely healed of cancer.

I have juiced for my parents for about 3 years now and they don't have hep C anymore.... Who knows how long it took for the juice to get rid of the disease, but I'm guessing it happened about 2 years ago or so, just after the last time they were tested.

When that kid was cured of arthritis, it only took a couple days... Maybe that is because he's only 5, and we all know that younger people heal faster than older ones...

Even so, an older person with arthritis and disfigured hands could greatly benifit from juicing daily, and possibly heal their hands or joints over time....
_CHIN_
More about veggie juices. It doesn't matter who you are or what you believe, veggie juices will cure you. What people don't realize, and what no doctor will ever tell you; is that cancer, liver disease, rheumatism and arthritis are actually micro-organisms. Bad micro-organisms that love to live in an acidic body. Most of us have a very acidic body because of the foods we consume everyday that are provided for us in our grocery stores. There's no getting away from these bad micro-organisms. So what we must do is turn our bodies into being partially or mostly alkaline. In order to do that we must juice veggies and drink them immediately so that we get the live enzymes going into our blood stream. This will kill the bad organisms and make the good ones stronger. The good ones love an alkaline body. My Name is ZO, I'm the Father of Matt, he's 22 years old, and I really am cured of Hep-C.

Cabbage juice and Beet juice........ along with every kind of other green veggie possible..... cured me.

Cabbage juice takes away heartburn almost immediately. Cabbage juice is actually like a WONDER HEALER AGENT, and will cure a myriad of things. And so strange too.......... the WORD Cabbage has the WORD Abba within it. Abba means: GOD. The only other WORD that has Abba within is the WORD Sabbath.

Once turning your body into a partially alkaline body from juicing, your blood will become rich and strong, this will build up your immune system to that of iron. Your body will react to viral and bacterial attacks much more efficiently and you'll die of old age instead of disease.

A Palindrome: ''TAO: CABBAGE PEG ABBA COAT.''

Palindromes say the same thing backwards as they do forward.

zozozozozozozozozozozo
aquatus1
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I don't see why it isn't a scientifically accepted cure, as even I know that the healing effects of vegetables and plants on ANY living human body can be explained perfectly in a scientific way.


It isn't scientifically accepted because there is no causal connection between eating veggies and ridding yourself of a disease that does not react to anything within the vegetables. Vitamins and minerals are all well and good, but there are a multitude of diseases that do not give a fig how healthy or sturdy your system is. They are simply too powerful for your immune system to handle.

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And this cure I'm talking about doesn't cure just a few people out of many, but anybody that uses it.


No, it doesn't, and that is the point. There are so few people cured by a veggie diet that there isn't enough to make the required causal connection. As many people are cured by it as are cured by placebos.

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I have juiced for my parents for about 3 years now and they don't have hep C anymore.... Who knows how long it took for the juice to get rid of the disease, but I'm guessing it happened about 2 years ago or so, just after the last time they were tested.


Chin, do you know, with all our medical knowledge, all the millenia of study, and the testing, research and unbelivable support from the medical community, exactly how many viruses we have managed to cure?

None.

Once a person has a virus, that is where it stays. There has never been a single documented instance of a person contracting a virus, and then having it somehow disappear from their body. Ever.

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Bad micro-organisms that love to live in an acidic body. Most of us have a very acidic body because of the foods we consume everyday that are provided for us in our grocery stores. There's no getting away from these bad micro-organisms. So what we must do is turn our bodies into being partially or mostly alkaline. In order to do that we must juice veggies and drink them immediately so that we get the live enzymes going into our blood stream. This will kill the bad organisms and make the good ones stronger.


Where are you getting your facts from? Your body is full of micro-organisms, that is true; some even go as high as saying that 1/4 of your mass is made up of micro-organisms. The environment they like to live in depends on where they make their home, not whether they are 'good' or 'bad'. Some micro-organisms in the body are good only if they don't get too strong, at which point they become detrimental.

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A Palindrome: ''TAO: CABBAGE PEG ABBA COAT.''

Palindromes say the same thing backwards as they do forward.


Unfortunately, yours doesn't even say anything forward.

Chin, nobody is denying that veggies make up part of a nutritous lifestyle, and people certainly should eat more of them than they currently do, but that is a far leap away from claiming that they are capable of doing things that they have never been recorded as doing. There has never been a case of a virus being eradicated from the human body. There is no connection between cancer and the strength of a body's immune system. There is no way for the body to differentiate between 'bad' organisms' and 'good' ones.

If we were to take your arguments, replace 'juices' and 'veggies' with 'faith in god' or 'magic crystals', we would have the exact same claims that we get from other web sites.
_CHIN_
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It isn't scientifically accepted because there is no causal connection between eating veggies and ridding yourself of a disease that does not react to anything within the vegetables. Vitamins and minerals are all well and good, but there are a multitude of diseases that do not give a fig how healthy or sturdy your system is. They are simply too powerful for your immune system to handle.



Well..... let me try to explain a different way, what do you think would happen to the multi-billion dollar drug industry if people started replacing drugs with vegetable juices????

The whole drug industry would go to sh**. And people like eli lie lie lily would go out of business....

Do you think they want that to happen? If not, then the people in control of the drug industry would try their best to keep the real cure hidden from everyone.

That answers the question as to why I know of the cure and the medical establishment seemingly does not. As it is a doctors job to prescribe pills created by the drug industry off of which money is made. If doctors started prescribing veggies, etc. then what would happen to all the drugs and drug makers, and the industry as a whole over time?

What would happen to all of the millions of dollars going into cancer research? I can tell you that it would no longer be going into some rich man's pocket, as there will one day be no more cancer.... because the cure for it will be known far and wide.



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No, it doesn't, and that is the point. There are so few people cured by a veggie diet that there isn't enough to make the required causal connection. As many people are cured by it as are cured by placebos.


Check out the links at the top of this page that the owner of this site put there, they are links to medical/doctor websites, and by the title of them, you can see it is about cabbage juice healing ulcers.....

It works on everyone you'll find after reading those links....

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Chin, do you know, with all our medical knowledge, all the millenia of study, and the testing, research and unbelivable support from the medical community, exactly how many viruses we have managed to cure?

None.

Once a person has a virus, that is where it stays. There has never been a single documented instance of a person contracting a virus, and then having it somehow disappear from their body. Ever.


Though I have already told you of how I cured a 5 year old boy and both my parents..... My mom and Dad have the anti-body for hepatitis C. A better way to explain it would be: For every cold and flu you've ever had.... you have an anti-body for it. The same is for my parents and hep-C. It was fought off like a cold, a cold that was able to kill if not treated properly...


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Chin, nobody is denying that veggies make up part of a nutritous lifestyle, and people certainly should eat more of them than they currently do, but that is a far leap away from claiming that they are capable of doing things that they have never been recorded as doing. There has never been a case of a virus being eradicated from the human body. There is no connection between cancer and the strength of a body's immune system. There is no way for the body to differentiate between 'bad' organisms' and 'good' ones.

If we were to take your arguments, replace 'juices' and 'veggies' with 'faith in god' or 'magic crystals', we would have the exact same claims that we get from other web sites.



You've basically said it in a nutshell, how everyone knows that veggies are good for you, but they don't eat enough.....

So when someone gets enough.... what do you think would happen to them?? How much is enough? We all know it's good for the body, but do you honestly know how good it truly is??????

There are actually quite a few recorded cases of people being cured of so called 'incurable diseases and illnesses' like cancer using the exact same method I'm writing of....

Some more palindromes:

Palindromes say the same thing forwards as they do backwards.

NAME NO LAD O' GOD A LONE MAN

DO GO TO GOD
aquatus1
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Well..... let me try to explain a different way, what do you think would happen to the multi-billion dollar drug industry if people started replacing drugs with vegetable juices????

The whole drug industry would go to sh**. And people like eli lie lie lily would go out of business....
Do you think they want that to happen? If not, then the people in control of the drug industry would try their best to keep the real cure hidden from everyone.


eli lie lie lily? If you are talking about what i think you are talking about, then please use examples from the modern era, not from 1930, before many of today's verification and substancitation procedures we have took effect.

Still, I suppose it makes as much sense as any other conspiracy theory.
No...less. All the drug companies would do is start selling ridiulously overpriced fruit juices instead. Heck, they do it with water, why not juice? It's all about marketing.

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That answers the question as to why I know of the cure and the medical establishment seemingly does not.


I'm sorry, I must have missed it. When did anyone ask that?

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Check out the links at the top of this page that the owner of this site put there, they are links to medical/doctor websites, and by the title of them, you can see it is about cabbage juice healing ulcers.....


Did I miss the links too? Am I missing a page in this thread?

Incidentally, my father is one of the many people who were not cured of their ulcers with cabbage juice. He didn't get fixed up until medical science came up with the antibiotics that killed the little parasites.

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The same is for my parents and hep-C. It was fought off like a cold, a cold that was able to kill if not treated properly...


Let me ask you...what in the whole veggie juice diet would cause a body to create an anti-body for a bacteria or a virus that it was unable to create before? How is the cellular cascade process made to recognize a foreign body that it was unable to before simply through the addition of extra vitamins and minerals? It is a bit like saying that an illiterate person would suddenly develop the ability to read simply due to nutrition. This is wrong, of course. A person has to be taught. So does the body, in the same way, have to be taught to create anti-bodies that it does not have, through the addition of those specific anti-bodies into the system.

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So when someone gets enough.... what do you think would happen to them?? How much is enough? We all know it's good for the body, but do you honestly know how good it truly is??????


Yes, I do. I also know that the body has limits. So let me ask you this: Do you know what those limits are? Do you know what sorts of veggies your child shouldn't eat too much of? Do you know which veggies can lead to malnutrition?
Stellar
QUOTE(_CHIN_ @ Oct 20 2004, 10:19 PM)
Well..... let me try to explain a different way, what do you think would happen to the multi-billion dollar drug industry if people started replacing drugs with vegetable juices????

The whole drug industry would go to sh**. And people like eli lie lie lily would go out of business....

Do you think they want that to happen? If not, then the people in control of the drug industry would try their best to keep the real cure hidden from everyone.

That answers the question as to why I know of the cure and the medical establishment seemingly does not. As it is a doctors job to prescribe pills created by the drug industry off of which money is made. If doctors started prescribing veggies, etc. then what would happen to all the drugs and drug makers, and the industry as a whole over time?

What would happen to all of the millions of dollars going into cancer research? I can tell you that it would no longer be going into some rich man's pocket, as there will one day be no more cancer.... because the cure for it will be known far and wide.



Yet, no doctor, who took an oath to do no harm, would stand up and prescribe vegetables? Listen, you obviously dont know much about biology and chemistry. I wouldnt make such claims that you can cure a disease or a virus or all illnesses simply by injesting vegetables. Seriously, how firmly do YOU stand to your belief? Would you be willing to injest a cancer causing pesticide to develope cancer and then prove to me that simply by injesting vegetables, you'd cure it?


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Check out the links at the top of this page that the owner of this site put there, they are links to medical/doctor websites, and by the title of them, you can see it is about cabbage juice healing ulcers.....

It works on everyone you'll find after reading those links....


The owner of the site didnt put those links there. Those links are similar to banners, except that the coding is intelligent enough to find out more or less what the thread is about, and post links to sites talking about that. I could start a thread about god NOT existing, and I'd find links up at the top about it.

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Though I have already told you of how I cured a 5 year old boy and both my parents..... My mom and Dad have the anti-body for hepatitis C. A better way to explain it would be: For every cold and flu you've ever had.... you have an anti-body for it. The same is for my parents and hep-C. It was fought off like a cold, a cold that was able to kill if not treated properly...


The cold cannot be cured, at the moment. We dont care what you say really, we dont believe you cured any of them with vegetables.

Heres a question, how old are you? What kind of education do you have? (Obviously not much in biology/chemistry) Now, when you asked the first person to stop taking medicin and take vegetables instead, what the hell was going through his mind? Why would he believe you and actually quit taking the medicin prescribed to him?

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You've basically said it in a nutshell, how everyone knows that veggies are good for you, but they don't eat enough.....

So when someone gets enough.... what do you think would happen to them?? How much is enough? We all know it's good for the body, but do you honestly know how good it truly is??????


Oh yes, I'm sure that if we'd eat enough veggies, we'd grow wings and fly too.
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There are actually quite a few recorded cases of people being cured of so called 'incurable diseases and illnesses' like cancer using the exact same method I'm writing of....


Theres also quite a few cases of people being cured by NOT using the same method, and even by taking placebos.
Druss
I may be a bit cynical, but isn't this thread just a ploy to get us all to go out and buy vegetable juicing machines.


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_CHIN_
stellar, you haven't read everything that I wrote and are asking some questions already answered in previous posts. There's no use in repeating myself.


Hey Druss, yeah I must be a juiceman machine salesman or something, not just someone that wants to reveal a cure to as many people as he can to save lives...... almost everything I write here is going to be made into a website where people can find it on their own.
Stellar
Like which?
_CHIN_
Just to add to what's been written here I'd like to mention another story of curing cancer.

A few weeks ago I told a friend that he could cure his dad of cancer if he'd only get his dad to juice vegetables and fruit daily. He didn't believe me in the moment...


Yet he went home, didn't see him for a couple weeks, and the next time I saw him I was about to give him another speech on juicing, and he told me that his dad is cured of cancer......

I was a little bit surprised, but not totally.. He explained how he took my advice, and his dad used a method that I didn't even know of. I think he did something called a "cold sweat" with cabbage.... He'd heat up water and ice cubes until the water temperature was just right, and then would replace the water with cabbage juice. When he did that, a layer of amino acids would form at the top of the mixture of ice cubes and fresh cabbage juice. Then he'd take a turkey baster and would remove all of the living amino acids, put them in a shot glass, and gulp them down.

I guess the old saying about cabbage "Poor man's food, Rich man's medicine" has more truth to it than I imagined....

He was cured of cancer in only a couple weeks using this method.... I will have to find out what type of cancer he was healed of, but it works for all types......

Just thought I'd add to what has already been written here.
noahsmommy1980
My fiance, Mark has an interesting idea on the cure for cancer. He seems to think that there is a medicinal cure out there, has been for years, but the government chooses to keep it a secret, for fear that it will do away with too many jobs if cancer is no more. How lame. This is the one thing that makes me wonder about him sometimes. Anyone else have an opinion about this?
_CHIN_
I think your fiance is right..... you seem to be describing what I've been writing of here. The cure for cancer is vegetables..... things like cabbage.... If you tell him about this, it will probably blow his mind.....

In this thread the cure for rhuematoid arthritis is mentioned too, along with hepatitis C. I proclaim here that all diseases and illnesses can be cured using this method.... even things like cancer....
Heartattackman
QUOTE(noahsmommy1980 @ Nov 5 2004, 10:03 AM)
My fiance, Mark has an interesting idea on the cure for cancer.  He seems to think that there is a medicinal cure out there, has been for years, but the government chooses to keep it a secret, for fear that it will do away with too many jobs if cancer is no more.  How lame.  This is the one thing that makes me wonder about him sometimes.  Anyone else have an opinion about this?
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It's quite a valid theory noahsmommy. It's similar to the one that there have been alternative forms of fuel, and that people have invented engines that run on water, but they are alway supressed by the powers that be, and oil companies, because if these inventions were released to the public, the financial losses would be colossal.

Actually, I've heard of a number of different non-conventional cures for cancer. I haven't researched either too heavily but one is to oxygenate the blood. I read this years ago. I don't really know how it's done, but that was one way. My dad has just finished reading a book by an Aussie farmer, who cured his wife of cancer. He is in his late 90s, and has seen changes in farming technology. Ever since superphosphates have been introduced as a fertiliser for crops etc.... he noticed that people have been getting very sick, especially with cancer. Even his sheep reacted negatively to superphosphate. So he stopped using it, and tried farming organically. If his sheep had been sick (esp w/ cancer), he would put out a whole bunch of different minerals, such as magnesium, iron, salt etc... and which ever minerals the sheep went to, that is what he gave his wife to take. She was eventually cured (she had ovarian cancer I think). After her cure, she was able to have kids. If anyone wants any further info on this, I will try to find out the name of the book and author. I haven't read it, but I intend to.
aquatus1
QUOTE(noahsmommy1980 @ Nov 4 2004, 09:03 PM)
My fiance, Mark has an interesting idea on the cure for cancer.  He seems to think that there is a medicinal cure out there, has been for years, but the government chooses to keep it a secret, for fear that it will do away with too many jobs if cancer is no more.  How lame.  This is the one thing that makes me wonder about him sometimes.  Anyone else have an opinion about this?
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Do away with too many jobs? Is your friend afraid that we will run out of diseases?

Government conspiracies aside, the idea that veggies can cure anything is unsupported, and in some cases, unsupportable (No amount of veggies will create an anti-body where one didn't exist before). The claims that have been made here on this thread bear all the warning flags of quackery, first among them the claim of a cure-all that the experts in the field wish to supress.

To support this notion as feverently as Chin does, I would think that he has a reasonable understanding of how the biological process works, and yet he (or she? I haven't checked) doesn't really seem to. If you provide a claim by someone cured of a cancer, but you don't even know what kind of cancer it was, should you expect to be taken seriously? There are so many different types that act in fundamentally different ways, not all of them compatible with each other, yet the claim is that a substance formed from an entirely different evolutionary line somehow has the ability to distinguish between something harmful to the human body and something beneficial. How so? What is the process of the veggie cure, Chin? No, I'm not asking how you make a smoothie out of them; I want to know how vegetables could possible create an anti-body where one didn't exist before, and how something could arrest the process of both skin cancer and leukemia, in two seperate patients. How does the veggie cure promote the growth of beneficial symbiotic organisms in the body, but limits their expansions from reaching dangerous levels?

Enough claims. Claims are a dime a dozen on this forum. Do you, or do you not, understand enough of the workings of this miracle cure to be able to explain it in biological detail?
Wings of Selkhet
May I just ask...

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firefemme1202
You know the cancer treatment centers of America? All they do is balance the body with the bases and the acids...It was stated in a previous post that a body that is heavily acidic will breed cancer and other viable diseases. However, if you just provide the body with enough base (i.e. foods or drugs that are the opposite of acid) then you can stable the body and return to perfect health. It's not just about veggies...but about de-acidizing (I doubt it's a word but I'm using it lol) the body...that's how places like Cancer treatment centers of America work. They balance the bodies acids and bases. 14 is heavily based and 0 is heavily acidic (or the other way around) and 7 is perfect balance (I do remember this from Biology and Chemistry) and I also have this example to use: I have asthma, like many Americans, I take a fast acting inhaler called albuterol (same as proventil or serevent, although serevent is a bit more long lasting and not fast acting) and the chemicals in this inhaler are at a level of 7. It's at a level of 7 because that's what it takes to regulate the body, i.e. opens up the lungs and returns the body back to a normal state.

Guns are bad all around...but they are still on our street corners becuase the business is a great business to be in. Alcohol is bad for people and causes a lot of deaths per year, however it's a great business so it's still around. The drug and medical industry is also a powerhouse industry, why fight the infection when you can just give it a band-aid.

My father has Diabetes. He used to take shots and everything else to regulate his insulin. Today, all he does it check his blood...no shots, no pills, nothing. He regulated his diabetes by being completely strict to the Atkins diet. His doctors don't know he's doing that diet becuase if they did, they would tell him to stop. Instead, they said this "I don't know what you did or what you're donig, but keep it up because you're in great health." He had lost weight and he's in great health. I'm not saying the Atkins diet is perfect for everyone, everyone is a different chemical balance per man per woman per age per body etc...but what is going to work for one person may not work for another, because the acids and bases work differently in each body. So yes, until medically proven cures come out that can work for each person, medical facilities will not enlighten us on this. But it's out there...
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vulturetotem
chin speaks much truth.
any dis-ease can be cured by diet.
it will not be accepted by the public because of what we've been told to eat
our whole lives. turn on your t.v. and find a commercial for non-acidic
foods, remember: all salty, fatty and sweetened foods are acidic. what did
you come up with? i think theres one for orange juice or something, ONE.

so, do you wonder why there's so much dis-ease around us? why "ronald
mcdonald house" is always full? watch "super-size me".

my great uncle was cured of cancer twice using nothing more than diet. he
stopped eating cooked foods and was cured almost instantly. this is NOT
new knowledge. i have a book from 1939 that explains it all quite well.

the medical community would be devastated if americans were to start
eating right.

americans seem to have no problem eating fat, veins, organs, muscle, skin,
etc; but are totally grossed out at the thought of eating veggies. cures and
health are not so much hidden or secret, we're just conditioned not to believe
such things. a healthy nation would ruin the medical, food, chemical, drug,
insurance etc. companies. not to mention gov. agencies.

don't blame GOD, HE didn't put that burnt, chemical laden, diseased piece of
flesh in your mouth

light,love,peace
vulturetotem
chin-up chin, someone will listen
firefemme1202
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Good Luck with that one...I've had since I was born...two decades later...I still have to take medicine daily.

And vulture...you're right...did you know that if you were to follow the food pyramid, you'd gain weight like a horse? They feed that particular meal plan to cows before they go to slaughter.
_CHIN_
About the asthma. I actually had asthma all my life too, and used an inhaler until I was about 17. I'm 21 now.

My asthma has gone away but I'm not completely sure how. One day I just decided I wasn't going to use an inhaler anymore, and gradually my asthma went away.


I do know that RAW potato juice in small amounts actually cleans the lungs of puss and probably other gross 'stuff'. Plants beneficial for the lungs can likely be researched on the net and in books. I remember black coffee even sort of helped my asthma.

There is a way to lessen asthma, so I'm sure there's a practical way to get rid of it forever.

I think the main reason why my asthma went away is simply because I stopped using an inhaler which I suspected I was building up a dependency towards. Though I wouldn't suggest anyone do this, unless they know that they can handle it as I did at age 17. I would say my asthma was mild. Though as a kid I'd run about 2 miles, and that was about when the asthma would kick in. Sometimes it would seemingly come from nowhere. Smoking never helped either.

My Doctor explained that the "inhaler" wasn't addictive, however I noticed myself.... that the more I used an inhaler... the more I needed it. And I would have more attacks on a regular basis when I would use it to combat an asthma attack.

Juicing probably also helped me to get rid of asthma. My Dad would always tell me that asthma can go away when you grow up, and I believed what he said.

There are different intensities of asthma, for cases where it is severe, it would make sense to work on making the lungs as healthy and clean as possible with vegetables and green plants useful for that part of the body. I imagine that a severe case of asthma could improve alot from using the appropriate organic plants on a daily basis, for a long period of time. Then there could be the possibility of slowly being weened off of asthma medication without it being detrimental to a person's health....

I had asthma, but one of my Sisters and Dad still have asthma and use inhalers. My Dad only really gets asthma when he smokes..... My Sister was actually born with fluids in Her lungs which is the supposed cause of Her asthma. I imagine Her lungs may have been slightly damaged. She uses it about as much as I used to. I tend to think their asthma could go away like mine did.



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my great uncle was cured of cancer twice using nothing more than diet. he stopped eating cooked foods and was cured almost instantly. this is NOT
new knowledge. i have a book from 1939 that explains it all quite well.


Great to hear. I tend to think it goes back so far it isn't funny. In the Bible it is basically explained that at one point man didn't eat flesh, but ate plants, which may explain a few things if we were originally herbivores for a very long period of time. Like a couple million years.

If mankind had only eaten plants and the original wild carrots, and wild plants, then the human body would have evolved to better use that particular plant... Just as an elephant might develop hair because of being in cold climates for eons, the human body may have developed internal mechanisms over eons to better use what it always uses. Which may be why veggies are so much better for us than a dead animal, as humankind has grown up eating wide varieties of living plants rather than dead things.

I'm sure someone else could explain that way better....




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You know the cancer treatment centers of America? All they do is balance the body with the bases and the acids...It was stated in a previous post that a body that is heavily acidic will breed cancer and other viable diseases. However, if you just provide the body with enough base (i.e. foods or drugs that are the opposite of acid) then you can stable the body and return to perfect health. It's not just about veggies...but about de-acidizing (I doubt it's a word but I'm using it lol) the body...that's how places like Cancer treatment centers of America work. They balance the bodies acids and bases. 14 is heavily based and 0 is heavily acidic (or the other way around) and 7 is perfect balance (I do remember this from Biology and Chemistry) and I also have this example to use: I have asthma, like many Americans, I take a fast acting inhaler called albuterol (same as proventil or serevent, although serevent is a bit more long lasting and not fast acting) and the chemicals in this inhaler are at a level of 7. It's at a level of 7 because that's what it takes to regulate the body, i.e. opens up the lungs and returns the body back to a normal state.


Yes I agree with you here, however, veggies are probably the best thing to "de-acidize" the body. As there are many veggies that are pure alkaline, the opposite of acidic.... It's possible to eat huge quantities of veggies without it having any harmful effects on the body whatsoever. Only beneficial. Instead of it being a balancing act of bases and acids, it can be as simple as "drink your veggie juice daily for long time till cancer gone." But it is awesome to study the finer details of how it works.


Though, I believe that things like apples, and other "acidic" natural raw plants are useful for defeating things like cancer. Though I'm sure you've brought up an important point, that all alkaline veggies are best for getting rid of cancer in particular.... Something like cabbage juice, which is what my friend's Dad used to get rid of his cancer...

Specific diseases and illnesses require specific healing plants, most of which are found at the store. Whether they are acidic or not only matters on what disease or illness you are fighting.

For example, you can fight heart disease with apples, ginger root and carrots. It helps to clean the plaque from veins and things like that.





Radishes will actually increase a persons strength and calm nerves by healing and regulating adrenaline in the adrenal gland, providing a slight gain in strength and energy overall.

Green Peppers will actually get rid of all acne. If you mix in a green pepper with carrots in a juice every day for a few days, you would have no acne. If you have alot of acne, it may take a month or so but the acne would go away completely.

There are alot of little bits of info like this for all edible plants.


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My father has Diabetes. He used to take shots and everything else to regulate his insulin. Today, all he does it check his blood...no shots, no pills, nothing. He regulated his diabetes by being completely strict to the Atkins diet. His doctors don't know he's doing that diet becuase if they did, they would tell him to stop. Instead, they said this "I don't know what you did or what you're donig, but keep it up because you're in great health." He had lost weight and he's in great health. I'm not saying the Atkins diet is perfect for everyone, everyone is a different chemical balance per man per woman per age per body etc...but what is going to work for one person may not work for another, because the acids and bases work differently in each body. So yes, until medically proven cures come out that can work for each person, medical facilities will not enlighten us on this. But it's out there...


Great to hear your Dad has found a way to better deal with diabetes. Diabetes is one of the things I believe can be cured completely with vegetable juices. It may take a couple months, could only take weeks..... but it would have to be done every single day. I imagine that someone with diabetes could drink glassfuls of specific veggies due to there being no harmful sugar in them???? The veggies they'd be able to drink with no harmful effects because of the diabetes would likely be the ones that would cure the person completely and regenerate their blood, etc...

Thanks Everyone,
M.J.C
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