im celebrating my hundred and first post with a topic how do you guys think crops circles were made... people lasers wind gimme feed back

Well, I'm always up for a good crop circle debunking!

Personally, it is my opinion that there is absolutely nothing shown in the crop circle phenomena that indicates anything other than a glorious prank with a fantastic history and many ardent admirers. Yes, that means that I believe all crop circles to be the work of man, more specifically, pranksters out for a good time. That includes those who take the subject entirely too seriously and intentionally plant "evidence" for the UFO enthusiast to get excited about.

Details available on request.

I'll be more than happy to take you up on the offer aquatus. Its been a while since my last crop circle thread.


Unfortunately, there is evidence that cant be planted when talking about 'genuine' crop formation phenomenon.

The draining of batteries (all kinds) when in a crop formation for a short period of time Link to research journal As well as many other phenomenon that just could not be hoaxed; a 'weave' pattern in formations that has yet to be proven hoaxable, elongated, and 'blown' plant nodes at or around 1-3" above the ground(elongated cell structure Link to pictures of cell structure , and nodes blown seemingly from the inside-Link to pictures and article), unusually dry soil in a formation, even after rain, Increased size (diameter) of plants within a circle, Plants that should be unbendable (cant be bent without being broken), and unexplainable increased crop yield in fields which have formations.

More on these phenomenon Here

I'd like to hear your take on these phenomenon

Edit- Added link to pictures of 'blown' nodes

well........i dunno.........i was watching Unexplained Mysteries.....a few weeks ago...... they said it may have somthing to do with balls of plasma.....because they found traces of somthing on the crops or in the air i dont remember

Crop Circles: I know most of you know this: Crop circles are "supposed" to be the landing of a UFO leaving an imprint on the fields of farms. The honest truth, in my opinion, with probably more than half the world agreeing with me, like "aquatus1" responded, they are manmade. They once caught some intelligent group of people doing it, not letting them know that they were witnessing the whole event - I'll try to post it up - but anyways, the process of completing a crop circle:
The men would walk very lightly across the field until the found the right place to start "walking" their art. After, they would put their feet on planks of wood and move in circular motions creating what we know as crop circles. Crop circles - man made. But its pretty fun and cool to show that these men work hard to make a mystery - I love it.

I would love to watch people (professionals) do it. I'm sure some scientists asked some professionals to do it being filmed...

I never thought people actually believed this. Wouldn't the crop be more damaged? I read of it being bend but not damaged at all. Why would those ships have such complicated designs on them? Just to make pretty picture like children do with a potatoe and some paint?

I think most of them are hoaxes created by moslty humans But there are some that can't be explained simply and I call these genuine circles. They could be made either by humans or aliens. I think to say thst they're all done with a plant of wood is a big generalisation in my opnion. Even the idea that it's created by some unintelligent earthly force is a better explantation.

I totally agree with you. There is one crop circle that shows a math sign that is literally impossible to make. That may be one of what you could call a "Genuine circle".
This is one that was proved to be made by humans:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/galle...album=12&pos=25
Mandelbrot: (Mathematically Challenging to make)
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/galle...album=12&pos=35
This picture easily proves that crop circles could be manmade:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/galle...album=12&pos=36

well these are some of the crop circles that i think are genuine

(Not being rude) But can you explain to me why you think each of these are genuine? The first one - manmade! Come on, thats like us, the humans, having our planes with the face of a human on the bottom of it. Why would a UFO have a face on the bottom of it of their race? And the last one, some people did that to get people scared to think that the aliens will destroy Earth? No?

k well the first one i think it is just to complicated to be made by humans the last one ill agree with you and say that it was just to scare us the second one looks exactly like a pyramid with a ball of light in the middle and the third is pretty complicated to make

Ok. Good explanations - then I could agree with you.

o ya and the face looks exactly like the one on mars

Can you tell me how to post a picture up beneath your username? Oh and by the way, I just looked on the face on Mars - and you're right, interesting.

you mean avatars? well i think its exactly like posting a picture but youd better ask someone else about the avatars that move not so sure about them

you have to go to your profile

Thankyou.

no problem

This idea was let go as the complexity of the formations increased.

Then explain how man made the phenomenon that i posted in my first post. I'm not saying that all crop formations arent man made, there are definetly some that cannot be man made (as far as we know, with current technology)
I believe you are referring to team satan, they readily admit that they make crop circles -they even charge to have them done. If i remember correctly. One thing they have not done is take credit for any formation that has been deemed genuine.
In genuine formations, often there is grain in the middle of a circle left standing, and on occasion, the remaining grain in the formation is flattened in a weave pattern. As of yet, no one has been able to reproduce this.
This is a shining example of a man made circle, i have closeups of the very messy interior in a book, i'll scan them and post it here

This was a job that team satan did for mitsubishi, it took them 3 days to do it, and on the last night another formation was made, in a field close by [attachmentid=7228], it was close to the minivan's size, they did not know how it could have been done in a single night.

There are definetly hoaxes, no doubt there. And there are formations which cannot be explained. Its a pity that media has over exposed the hoaxes, which in turn has taken credibility from genuine formations.

I'm not really decided either way with the crop circle debate. Some are beautifully complex and difficult looking, that's for sure, but...why would an alien race come all this way to sneak pictures into grain?

However, on the other end, I would think mathematics would be a universal language and a way to try to communicate (like the Mandelbrot set). Much like the aliens in Close Encounters spoke through music.

There is a much more detailed debate on crop circle communication Here Its several pages long, well worth the read

[QUOTE]I'm not really decided either way with the crop circle debate. Some are beautifully complex and difficult looking, that's for sure, but...why would an alien race come all this way to sneak pictures into grain?

Based to the people who do believe crop circles aren't man made, or atleast some of them, they as in the aliens dont just come here to land their UFO's but probably to explore and then leave leaving the imprint on the filed unintentionally. Anyone agree with me?

Those patterns are so intricate that they don't look (to me at least) like something that was caused accidently (by whoever, man or alien). They appear to be a definate picture or design. I would think marks left from a craft of some sort would be much more haphazard.

Your idea, although once popular, just dosent make sense. there are formations in excess of 300 meters wide, and very intricate. With a little research its easy to find some interpretations on what the formations may mean or hint toward. I found a couple examples which you can find Here That post offers a link to what one man considers a possible explanation for a few formations, the one underneath is an article on a direct reply to a message sent into space in 1974. I doubt an UFO has that as its underside.

I've just been to the link you gave UA and this is the very first time I have seen that circle in it's true perspective...Truly amazing: Awesome
My daughter suggests that an ariel device (craft) not alien may be resposible for creating some of these large and complex formations.

Vimjams

You people seem to claim that the hoaxes are man made but have you ever considred that a team of dedicated Greys may be using the exact same tchnique as Dug and Dave to create hoaxes so people will think all the circles are fake and created by humans when in fact they're fake but actually created by aliens?

Question: What is your explaination for those extreemly
complex crop circles that were said to be impossible to
be the product of terrestials?

So I was up late a couple nights ago watching, well golly gee, Unexplained Mysteries and it was about crop circles, in fact it's the reason I came to this site and became a member. The show talked about how the grain itself has "pods" and when you bend the grain to make a crop circle, it snaps, well, in a lot of crop circles that have yet to be proven as fake, the pods seemed to have exploded from a great deal of heat, not from a piece of wood in an attempt to manually make a crop circle.

And the show also had a scientist on it that was doing studies on the circles. He studied one crop circle's size in comparison to the inner circle and found an exact measurement of 16/3. He said it was quite impressive considering it would be greatly difficult to produce such a perfect measurement in a man-made crop circle. And that this particular fraction was the chord of F on a guitar. So after studying many crop circles that hadn't been proven as fake, and finding exact measurements, and finding their adjoining musical chords, they strung them together to make a possible "alien song?"

This site says crop circles are related to music:
http://www.geocities.com/korncirkel/musical.html

This site disagrees with music being the key behind crop circles:
http://cropcircleconnector.com/Dutch/CROPC...MMECHANICS.html

However, the man named Hawkins who discovered Stonehedge as a calendar when viewed from above was the one working on the discovery of many circles' relationship to music, and for me, this last site is the one that I find the most compelling to read, it has the most facts than either of the previous two:
http://www.geocities.com/korncirkel/musical.html

Why oh why ? When one cannot explain something they always cry " aliens" or " el chupacabra! " or " the government ".
It is your fault for this new archetype. The Ufo archetype. The archetype for the scientific unknown.
Moe wonders what other symbols of human projection have risen from ignorance.

You ask why? Why?

Are you spiritual? Explain why the majority of the world believes in a higher being and are a part of a religion when we cannot see or touch this being? People ask all the time if a higher being is real, it's questioned.

It's human nature to question what we are curious about.

If throwing ideas out there concerning why and where about crop circles, then according to your logic, you would argue that it's just as crazy to have ideas about God and his Bible, or Mohamed and the Quran.

Being cynical is not a way to find answers. Unless you can give proof that every single crop circle was not man made, it will always be questioned.

indeed. and niether are false asummptions or active imaginations.

And it is not human nature to question. We do not agree with your wisdom. This is why organized religion is so successful. It is human nature to follow. To imitate. To refuse responsibilty for our own fate.

Cynic ? No. Moe is quite jazzy and wholesome we assure you.

You're right about the following and imitating part, but that's one side of it. If you can acknowledge that, then you should also be able to acknowledge that it is human nature to question. It's our first part of life, as children, that's all we know is to question. And as we grow older, many adults accept general views of society and stop questioning, but a large number of people keep questioning, they're called scientists and mathematicians and archaeologists and researchers. That isn't "my wisdom." That's what makes our world go round. Can you still tell me it's not human nature to question? You tell me, do you question? Or are you a follower, an imitator? By your own words, you are, since you are after all, a human.

Indeed. Moe has followed and Moe has imitated. We have asked the same questions others have. We want a car. A jazzy job. A successful marriage and children. Why has all this been nurtured and ingrained since childhood ?
It is human nature to survive. Not to question. Questioning is just a tool for survival.
And as a child we questioned like all children. This is before conventional wisdom sets in. This is before nurture becomes ingrained. And unlike mathmaticians and scientists, children have no jazzy formula to question by. All they have is nature. Why do children question ? To survive.

Moe, there are many reasons that people think that genuine crop formations are alien in origin. One, i referred to earlier-Click Here, I did a little more digging and found a very interesting article written by Brian L. Crissey, Ph.D. Yes, a doctor found this formation compelling enough to do his own independant study on it. I would like for you, and any other skeptics of this topic, to read it Click Here.

Also while searching for more information, i found an article on how crop circles are formed. Apparently they are made by balls of light, as funny as it sounds, the article was published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal (‘Physiologa Plantarum’).

Truth is often stranger than fiction.

Gotta agree with UA here, Moe's arguement is easily flipped around;



Why oh why then, when something is unexplainable, is it so hard for skeptics to accept the possibility that it may have been aliens?

To losely adapt a brilliant line from a certain film I know UA likes:

"2000 years ago people like Moe knew the Earth was the centre of the universe, 500 years ago people like Moe knew the Earth was flat, and today Moe knows people are alone on this planet.

Just imagine what Moe might know tomorrow..."

Crop circles are one of the few paranormal phenomena that by their own nature constantly yeild tangible evidence to their existence. Of course some are fake, that's undoubted, however without an explanation as to how these crop circles were made (and if anyone replies and says "with a plank and some string" without even reading UA's post I may scream) then I'll refuse to believe something extra-terrestrial isn't going on.

With a plank and some string (joke )

Not that they're crop circles, but anyone remember the formations (I remember one being of a spider) in Southern America or Mexico (not sure which one) that ancient civilizations must have created and can only be seen from the air. Why make pictures on the ground people can only depict from above?

Those were the nazca lines, there are a few threads on them, Here, Here, And Here. Interesting stuff.

Now back to crop circles. I believe it was aquatus1 who claimed that all crop circles were man made, and offered more information on request. Funny i havent seen any posts in here since my reply to his post. Perhaps it was a misunderstanding, aquatus, i'm now requesting the details you claim to have.
I believe ive shown more than ample proof that 'genuine' crop formations cannot be man made (so far as we know). I'd love to see how you claim it could be done.

Thanks UA, couldn't find any references to the Nasca lines to use. But that's what I was shooting for, if all crop circles are man-made, why? Did the two british guys who started the crop circles give a reason as to why they started? They just suddenly came up with the idea to make crop circles in fields of wheat with perfect geometry at night...and if they practiced, shouldnt' there have been proof of them practicing on a few fields? And obviously the people way back when who made the Nasca lines, they made those pictures so people from the sky could see them. Not the ground. But back then, they didn't have planes. So why make them?

Apparently to show something to someone in the sky. Or simply to baffle those on the ground.

As far as crop circles are concerned, it would not surprise me if their intention was to convey messages- via some type of symbolism, crypted messages or 'directions' to those who may understand them here. Who they might be, i don't know. What is being conveyed? i don't know. If crop formations have anything to do with my suspicions, they did a good job covering their tracks with hoaxes, and the media.

What exactly are your suspicions, mind sharing? ^^

There may be a language barrier between whatever is making the crop formations and us. If the governments of the world were involved in communication with whoever (or whatever) they are, supposing they are alien, the formations may aid in communicating. The only reason i think this would be necessary, is a no contact treaty, made by us or them, to eliminate any panic that may incur from contact .( there could be a number of other reasons why contact cannot happen)

I would assume messages would be conveyed to direct attention to alttitude, longitude, and time,(simple enough for both humans and aliens to comprehend) so that whoever needs to see the formation does. And with current technology, whoever needs to see the formations need not be anywhere near them.

I found some examples of interpretations that fit nicely with my paranoia
Future Propulsion i posted this link once before in the '1991 crop circle communication' thread

Ever since I saw a show on how methods are used to make the impossible seem real, which included using stalk stompers in crop circle making to make intricate circles in large wheat fields... I dont know. Judd Nelson was the host. The guys of this show set up a time lapse camera to take a picture every 17 seconds. And these guys actually made a very large design in this field, And showed how easily it is for three guys using these stalk stompers to carve complicated patterns of circles as big as at least two football fields in less then 8 hrs. After seeing that, I really became skeptical of crop circles.

Of all the crop circles in the world, there has to be differences...some way to determine if there are discrepancies in the hoaxed crop circles. A database of all the known crop circles ever created, the same tests done on all of them...to test the same chemicals of the wheat, the same durabilities...the same everything done...and if there are discrepancies, what are they, a way to possibly figure that one might be genuine?

If you look at the structure of the plant after, and see there was some molecular change that could not have been done simply by stomping boards, they you have to look elsewhere for answers. This is why I do believe something else, besides human hoaxes, make crop circles.

Ditto Ditto Ditto.

Well, I wasn't trying to say I think all crop circles are done with boards now. And I do agree with you. But even if there was some molecular change or anything like that, do you think it's possible that it could be hoax related? More than likely not, since these types of things seem to baffle researchers. And when it can't be explained or dismissed, then we must look somewhere else for answers, yes.

[QUOTE]But even if there was some molecular change or anything like that, do you think it's possible that it could be hoax related?[QUOTE]
I doubt it. Such things as a molecular change is how I would spot a genuine one. Also the way the crop is weaved is a pretty good indication.

I don't know of any plausible documented video or photos that actually catch something somewhat paranormal making these crop circles.


But I would like to find something on it.

Well back when I really overused DC++ and before my hard drive was formated deleting all my data I had a documentary that claimed that they were created by orbs as a way of consuming energy and to show messages to other aliens. I think I even remember them showing an orb floating above a crop circle. They set up motion sensitive cameras to take the picture, I think. I'm not sure but I think it was called Close Encounters. I have that as a torrent now.

Yes, I agree. Orbs seem to be the most believable. I have heard of it, I have seen of it on some UFO shows. But in every scenario, if orbs created crop circles, it would explain what can't be explained by anyone else.

I posted an article on 'balls of light' in this post. Very interesting. Ive seen video of these 'orbs' flying past people. Click Here for a couple videos. The first one is at the top of the page, the second is a couple videos down.

None of those video links work for me.